That Time Disney Hooked up a Grown man and a Teenager: Marco's Real Age

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Жыл бұрын

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@veejump7258
@veejump7258 Жыл бұрын
Marco Diaz being a teenager with 30 years of experience is quite literally what employers are looking for.
@Youareaidiot
@Youareaidiot Жыл бұрын
lmao right
@ziasteele9332
@ziasteele9332 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@poproszealex6852
@poproszealex6852 Жыл бұрын
pov: neighbours kid in china
@xd._.28234
@xd._.28234 Жыл бұрын
😂
@boardcertifiable
@boardcertifiable 9 ай бұрын
Omg, too true....😢
@Shuffles_Art
@Shuffles_Art Жыл бұрын
It’s kinda funny how the voice actor kinda knew how to fix the problem, but then the writers wanted to dig their grave even deeper 💀
@DustyStarrs
@DustyStarrs Жыл бұрын
literally lol
@jadeshepherd8627
@jadeshepherd8627 Жыл бұрын
what did the voice actor say about maybe fixing it?
@Shuffles_Art
@Shuffles_Art Жыл бұрын
@@jadeshepherd8627 pretty sure they mentioned it in the video somewhere
@TwentySeventhLetter
@TwentySeventhLetter Жыл бұрын
@@jadeshepherd8627 They're talking about the live stream where the VA, in-character as Marco, says he "doesn't remember what happened" in the ab dimension
@Haphu15
@Haphu15 Жыл бұрын
@@jadeshepherd8627 yeah, the voice actor explained that marco doesnt remember anything of those 15 years he spend in another dimension but that saving grace was destroyed when the writer had marco state that he remembers stuff during those 15 years and the characters mentioning his adult age many times in future episodes so no is hard to defend it
@wakkaseta8351
@wakkaseta8351 Жыл бұрын
Marco honestly got put into a lose-lose situation. If he's shipped with characters his physical age, he's considered problematic. If he's shipped with characters his mental age, the other character'll be considered problematic. He's basically not allowed to have romance anymore lest someone clutch their pearls.
@greywarden5513
@greywarden5513 Жыл бұрын
A lot of it seems to stem from people wanting to cherry pick who he ends up with (almost never star, even though that had been endgame from jump) Rarely hear them bring that same energy for Jarco or Kellyco even though it should be the same issue.
@jlwiseman98
@jlwiseman98 Жыл бұрын
@@greywarden5513 well star is meant to be the endgame supposedly, and was the most popular ship in the fandom, so obviously thats going to be more of a main focus. Even if the same logic would apply, the point here is the writers who are supposed to know these things and supposibly knew their endgame, never saw this as an issue despite showing adult marco and star next to each other on multiple occasions. If starco is the planned endgame here, it's way more unusual they kept this in and never saw any red flags in it morso then ships that weren't endgame.
@avivastudios2311
@avivastudios2311 Жыл бұрын
😁
@endermarcuz3053
@endermarcuz3053 Жыл бұрын
I mean Tom is a demon built on billions of souls of different ages so age doesn't matter there so Tomco is truly the only available
@uhm-ff8xk
@uhm-ff8xk Жыл бұрын
good
@Z.O.M.G
@Z.O.M.G Жыл бұрын
this is the equivalent of ''don't worry she is a 1000 year old dragon''
@CorvCor
@CorvCor Жыл бұрын
My exact thought process
@MaskeyKamenRider
@MaskeyKamenRider Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be the opposite? i mean, in anime is usually ''Hey, it doesn't matter her mental age, the fact is that her BODY is that of a child'' While in this situation is ''Hey, his body being that of a teenager doesn't matter, his MIND is 30'' they are even opposites on who's the pedo in the situation, in anime the Character with a difference in mental and physical age is the ''victim'' While in SVTFOE the character with a difference in mental and physical age is the ''abuser'' sounds like an opposite and equivalent, same problem but with the opposite aproach.
@rune7894
@rune7894 11 ай бұрын
its the exact opposite i think
@samflood5631
@samflood5631 11 ай бұрын
Is that a reference to both Nowi, Flayn and Sothis from the Fire Emblem Series?
@xempororhxppyx
@xempororhxppyx 11 ай бұрын
Joining the chain of comments that were made today (one from 8 hrs ago, one from 23 mins ago, and now mine)
@davidumann6707
@davidumann6707 Жыл бұрын
The thing that weirds me out is that Marco was willingly spending 16 years away from his loved ones. For all he knew, his parents could have been worried sick, having no idea where he is.
@Fitzftw7
@Fitzftw7 Жыл бұрын
In fairness, I don’t think Marco did that willingly. Hekapoo trapped him.
@vm141789
@vm141789 Жыл бұрын
@@Fitzftw7 Hekapoo offered Marco a portal home at the beginning of the challenge.
@vixshire3672
@vixshire3672 Жыл бұрын
@@vm141789 Counter point He probably didn’t expect it to take 16+ years
@gregvs.theworld451
@gregvs.theworld451 Жыл бұрын
@@vixshire3672 Still, you'd think eventually he'd stop and at least regroup with Star so they could figure out how to get the scissors back together before spending 16 years on a goose chase.
@amadeusazazel9047
@amadeusazazel9047 Жыл бұрын
@@vixshire3672 counter-counterpoint: you don’t exactly just lose track of *sixteen years.* At some point Marco really should’ve stopped and thought - “Hey, I’ve been away from like, a few weeks/months, maybe I should do something about that”
@googamp32
@googamp32 Жыл бұрын
It's fascinating to see how SVTFOE started out as a funny deconstruction of magical girl tropes, but quickly devolved into a directionless slog that had no idea what it wanted to do with itself.
@batgh0ul
@batgh0ul Жыл бұрын
Yeah you're right. I think that's what happens when shows that try to appeal to the fandom so much that they change directions completely, which isn't even the whole reason it turned sour here. But that's why I always have a lot of anxiety when shows I like get new seasons, specifically the ones with big fandoms, cause I fear its gonna be ruined to appeal to the fandom. I worried a lot about She-ra, I think it wrapped up perfectly but I was so ready for it season 5 to be awful. Rn I'm worrying about Good Omens S2, since the creator said it's gonna be almost completely different from S1. yay
@AverageInternetButterfly
@AverageInternetButterfly Жыл бұрын
Hopefully if this show gets a continuation movie, it'll focus on being what seasons 1 and 2 were but more satirical and comedic with jokes that poke fun at events in the show like the shipping and tonal whiplash. Basically a soft reboot. And that's coming from someone who mostly watched the first two seasons.
@Valorian6167
@Valorian6167 Жыл бұрын
Seriously. I also love that looking at the clips from season 1 to season 4, the animation style has changed so much. I like the season one style with the thicker outlines and smoother animation. It just looks better!
@AverageInternetButterfly
@AverageInternetButterfly Жыл бұрын
@@Valorian6167 you're right. Even when looking into the second season where it changes art styles, it's like a Mandela effect. A somewhat different show starts, but then by the last two seasons, it becomes a COMPLETELY different show. Both tonally and visually.
@dededefran8910
@dededefran8910 Жыл бұрын
Ironically, it ended up playing into the same awful pitfalls that a lot of magical girl shows fell into lol
@AChanceOfReign
@AChanceOfReign Жыл бұрын
The fact that Marco is basically a lab rat for the writers is infuriating. Lets not forget the moment when he used the Butterfly Family's magic wand and was never brought up ever again! I love it when a main character is treated as a Schrodinger's Cat of fanfic writing.
@greywarden5513
@greywarden5513 Жыл бұрын
…but it was, it’s revealed during the creation of the wand (also with information from lore books) The usage of the wand is based on exposure to magic, which by that time he was drenched in it
@jlwiseman98
@jlwiseman98 Жыл бұрын
@Grey Warden when marco first got the wand and cheekmarks, he had never been to the magic dimension at all yet. The episode itself was the first episode the dimension was even introduced and it was focused on star alone finding it. Not to mention it was shown in season one ludo and lobster claws could use the wand without ever going to the dimension either.
@iammask1073
@iammask1073 Жыл бұрын
Yeah when Marco got the cheekmarks I thought it was an interesting mystery that was going to be revealed at some point as apparently the marks and wand was the same as one of the previous Queen of the kingdom. But it never went anywhere and was a big disappointment to me.
@fireninetails
@fireninetails 5 ай бұрын
@@iammask1073 Considering how they responded to "How pony head survived magic destruction?" i'm glad that they didn't answer to this.
@mr.critical5523
@mr.critical5523 Жыл бұрын
"It's like the show never thought through the implications of this" Sums up the show rather well honestly.
@SandwitchZebra
@SandwitchZebra 7 ай бұрын
The entire damn finale is just this sentence.
@mesousagaby740
@mesousagaby740 Жыл бұрын
Oh, and you know what would have prevented this? If Star ALSO trained for 30 years and have her mentally older as well! WE COULD ALSO HAVE HAD BUFF STAR TO BALANCE BUFF MARCO.
@Metal-Mage
@Metal-Mage Жыл бұрын
Oh God buff Star😂
@KaminoKatie
@KaminoKatie Жыл бұрын
That would be glorious
@Metal-Mage
@Metal-Mage Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't that be something 😅
@ilikefrogss
@ilikefrogss Жыл бұрын
that’s exactly what I was thinking!!
@ShirShe27
@ShirShe27 Жыл бұрын
An idea for a drawing
@Ghostface1998
@Ghostface1998 Жыл бұрын
The shipping in this show was so bad. Justice for Tom and only eclipse and Globgor were easily the best couple but had the least amount of screentime to show off their romance.
@ShadyRK9
@ShadyRK9 Жыл бұрын
Justice For Kelly! Her And Marco Was Together For Only A Few Episodes To Later Break Up (OFF SCREEN!), Just So Starco Can Get Together!
@Sinister_Shortee
@Sinister_Shortee Жыл бұрын
I made this 666 likes :)
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid Жыл бұрын
@@ShadyRK9 Kellco was done so dirty omg, why...just WHY they tried to develop them, gave them an actual episode and then decided to break them up off-screen Yeah, and the fact that in the opening scene they kinda showed only the "relevant" characters and Kelly was there even though they IMMEDIATELY forgot about her after she supposedly broke up with Marco Season 4 is such a mess, like for real.
@ShiningStarlight101
@ShiningStarlight101 Жыл бұрын
it'll never not be ironic that tom was based on the exes of the creator yet near the end he becomes one of the best characters
@FrogKanna
@FrogKanna Жыл бұрын
Tbh Marco and Tom had more chemistry than Star and Marco lol
@dropkickentertainment4770
@dropkickentertainment4770 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact. Marco goes back into Hecapoo's realm later in the series and reveals that not only did he learn a new language but also that he started to grow gray hair. So Marco isn't a 30+ year old man stuck in a 15 year old body. He's a 40-50+ year old man stuck in a 15 year old body. I didn't like that he was a grown man mentally trying to date teenagers to begin with, but the fact that he got even OLDER and STILL wants to date Star at the end is a little more than unsettling to me.
@ForceInEvHorizon
@ForceInEvHorizon Жыл бұрын
If i rememeber correctly that marco mostly forgot his time on Hackaboo dimension and returned to his 15 years old mentality
@kingacrisius
@kingacrisius Жыл бұрын
​@@ForceInEvHorizon This whole video was about how that part is inconsistent. Like seriously did you watch it?
@ForceInEvHorizon
@ForceInEvHorizon Жыл бұрын
@@kingacrisius only half of it lol
@kingacrisius
@kingacrisius Жыл бұрын
@@ForceInEvHorizon Based tbh
@trappedcosmos
@trappedcosmos Жыл бұрын
You have to remember even if he has the memories and experience of those years he is deaged which means his brain is still less developed and he still has teenage hormones
@Arzamol5
@Arzamol5 Жыл бұрын
Here's a thought. While Marco may have 30 years' worth of memories, that alone doesn't make you an adult. While he's in his child body, he still has the physical brain of a child. A brain that hasn't fully developed. He's not a 30-year-old trapped in a 15-year old's body, he's a 15-year-old with a few extra years of "adult" memories awkwardly jammed into a brain that can't properly make use of them.
@rickydiscord7671
@rickydiscord7671 Жыл бұрын
what is over age anyway when it comes to teen and adult years? like if a 30 year dated a 18 year old. people have mix feelings for that. but a 18 year old dating a 17 year old "hell no". but the thing is 18 you JUST started being a adult and 21 is when you are a full grown adult. yeah "you old enough to know better" 26 year olds banging 14 year olds some how not much of an issue but 16 beings a 13 year old an age were you JUST started your teen year. that's going to far. laws and logic with humans don't really make sense sometimes when it comes to age difference of "banging". but dating long as there's no banging I think it fine. they only start if the younger age hit the right age 18, 21. than they do the hell they want.
@carlinkag2525
@carlinkag2525 Жыл бұрын
I like this explanation
@carlinkag2525
@carlinkag2525 Жыл бұрын
@@rickydiscord7671 There's so much wrong with some of the assumptions you just made. I don't even know where to begin so I'm just gonna say it's not my job to educate anyone on why you shouldn't date kids and leave it there.
@rickydiscord7671
@rickydiscord7671 Жыл бұрын
@@carlinkag2525 you are not getting the point I bring up.
@Shao599
@Shao599 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. He is still a teenager no matter what. When I saw that i didn't even think about that possibility. Seriously people like to make things awkward. And honestly that explains a lot. Let's be honest I don't want this ship to be illegal 💀
@goeldicotton
@goeldicotton Жыл бұрын
Overhyped lizard is the most accurate description of toffee ever
@Rosemont104
@Rosemont104 Жыл бұрын
Overhyped and underwritten is, indeed, a terrible combo for a character.
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
Just like overhyped newt is for Andrias.
@partygamingz3332
@partygamingz3332 Жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 to be fair, andrias wasn't treated as dirty as this man, this man legit committed a disappearing act after he died, teasing the fans he will return, and doesn't even show up in the finale where all the characters show up last min Andrias wasn't given that treatment in my eyes so I wouldn't even be a competition
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
@@partygamingz3332 he definitely wasn't done as dirty, not even close. I just feel like, besides stabbing Marcy he wasn't really allowed to be a villain, because they had to redeem him.
@mckenzie.latham91
@mckenzie.latham91 Жыл бұрын
I mean Andrias never was the true villain of Amphibia, it was always the core. Andrias also is not innocent at all and has many villain moments, The point of his character is that he's not full evil or cruel, he is bitter, lonely and manipulated by his father and the core, and has chosen villainous acts.
@maperjack
@maperjack Жыл бұрын
It just feels like such an easy solution to say he doesn't remember but he maintains the skills. They could have their cake and eat it too but they choose the weird option.
@maria123240
@maria123240 Жыл бұрын
That or have that chunk of time being like a dream that he cant fully remember but can trigger memories as the plot needed.
@Jaydee-wd7wr
@Jaydee-wd7wr Жыл бұрын
Through the power of muscle memory! Problem solved.
@genericname2747
@genericname2747 Жыл бұрын
Or he didn't spend 16 years there, and it was like..1 year. 2 years at most.
@RayOfTruth
@RayOfTruth Жыл бұрын
@@maria123240 isn't that how Marco described it to Tom.
@reoij
@reoij Жыл бұрын
@@genericname2747 I think the 16 years time skip was just to cause a momentary shock to the audience lol I'd gladly take 5 years
@DustyStarrs
@DustyStarrs Жыл бұрын
The annoying thing as well is that there are, as you have said, a LOT of ways they could have navigated this. He could be *technically* 30, like Aang in Avatar: the Last Airbender is *technically* 112 but doesn't have memories of that time of ageing up. And is obviously still mentally and biologically a teenager. It could also keep him being a badass as - and I just took a psychology class in high school so I'm sure there's many people in the comments section more knowledgable than me - there are different types of long-term memories that we have - explicit and implicit. Explicit memories are stuff like facts about people, places and concepts, as well as visual and audible memories of your life. Implicit memories are procedural - like how to ride a bike, play piano or fight. People who have bad memory loss have even reported to be able to do things they have no memory of learning. Like, they can't remember all the guitar lessons they took but if someone gave them a guitar and asked them to play it they could do so and just as well as if they had remembered them taking the lessons. The TL;DR of this is that it is entirely scientifically possible for Marco to be a badass at fighting but have no memories of learning how to fight. Until he goes back and starts to remember it again, ofc.
@Tweetyeti
@Tweetyeti Жыл бұрын
And yet, they chose MESSY lmao
@hopelesslyoptimistic8231
@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 Ай бұрын
I don’t get he problem here. His mind and body de-aged. What does his memories have to do with him being allowed to date a 15 year old? How do memories tie into the morality of it? The reason we don’t allow old people to date kids is because they can be manipulated but Marco also had his mind de-aged to fit a 15 year old therefore his brain is still developing too. We can’t just say something is wrong without reason. We have to look at the context. Marco is justified because he is only an adult in that dimension and his memories wouldn’t change the development of his brain as a 15 year old.
@gregfreddy6691
@gregfreddy6691 10 ай бұрын
Also let’s not forget that hekapoo is like millions of years old and still is into Marco even when he isn’t adult Marco and is his normal self.That is also really weird.
@alexgroot2508
@alexgroot2508 Жыл бұрын
I kinda feel that the whole 'Marco age thing' should've been a mini arc instead of one episode and some references. Because honestly, Marco's 30+ years mentally in an anime dimension trying to function in his old life is actually a pretty interesting thing to tackle. You can make him be more sure of himself, more capable of dealing with a world that is- by his standards- 'pretty tame'. You can milk it for interesting character dynamics too. But you can also work with the downsides, the angst, the struggles, the simple fact that he doesn't fit in anymore. And if this then culminated with Marco finding a way to lock away or remove those memories, resetting himself by choice, throw in some drab about 'wanting to grow alongside the people he loves, not run ahead of them' and done. You have a potentially 'superpowered badass side' that Marco can pull out, you had a solid little arc, and you can return to your regular program.
@PreciseSpace
@PreciseSpace Жыл бұрын
YOURE RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY IT
@jessip8654
@jessip8654 Жыл бұрын
"Cool ideas that were under baked" was this show's motto.
@quartztemplar3676
@quartztemplar3676 Жыл бұрын
This could be a PTSD arc, a soldier returning from war who can't cope with the fact that he's home
@saraperpetua1093
@saraperpetua1093 Жыл бұрын
sure
@LostInTheInternet93
@LostInTheInternet93 Жыл бұрын
Holy crap this would have been so much better!?!
@Tokumastu1
@Tokumastu1 Жыл бұрын
After a point Marcos felt less like a character and more like the writer's lab mouse. Between the multiple romances, the whole adult in a kids body and even the Princess Marco run it's like they were testing out ideas for other characters on him.
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid Жыл бұрын
I agree. Also, fanservice slu-...ugh, I mean boy.
@RadCarne
@RadCarne Жыл бұрын
Sounds abusive😂
@EnderPanReigns
@EnderPanReigns Жыл бұрын
The princess Marco was actually because Marco was planned to be transfem!
@genericname2747
@genericname2747 Жыл бұрын
​@@EnderPanReigns they're cowards for not committing to that
@xceptionalartist6266
@xceptionalartist6266 Жыл бұрын
@@genericname2747I don’t know if it’s cowardice or just another one of Disney’s grave-digging no-no moves
@Piiiiiiiiit
@Piiiiiiiiit Жыл бұрын
I completely forgot about Marco being that old. Holy shit. As if the ending of this show wasn’t weird and problematic enough.
@sadracklimon2999
@sadracklimon2999 4 ай бұрын
Basically would’ve been problematic no matter who he ended up with by your logic. Daron Nefcy already explained time flows different in both dimensions and the longer he stays out of the scissors dimension, the more it seems to him like it was all a dream. So many stupid people from twitter in this comment section god damn
@suspiciousstar7547
@suspiciousstar7547 Жыл бұрын
Not only is that and the relationship between Marco and Hekapoo weird, does anyone else remember that Rhombulus admitted to having a crush on Queen Moon EVEN though he knew her when she was *Star's age* when she freed Eclipsa in "Moon The Undaunted" 💀? The Magic High Comission sure is questionable...
@Mediados
@Mediados Жыл бұрын
I think they don't realize that being de-aged can be pretty traumatizing depending on your resilience.
@dspace4514
@dspace4514 Жыл бұрын
That aside, I really wish we got more episodes of Adult Marco and see more of his episodes. If I recall, we only got another episode of him in his adult form.
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Жыл бұрын
At least of him being more mature.
@samtheflutegirl1373
@samtheflutegirl1373 Жыл бұрын
By my recollection there were several more where he was in his adult body but we never really saw him act with the same level of maturity that the first instance of adult Marco did.
@pootismannmaikrafteano2678
@pootismannmaikrafteano2678 Жыл бұрын
Adult marco so underrated, dmn
@who3730
@who3730 Жыл бұрын
It’s been a hot second but if I remember correctly there’s 3 episodes of buff Marco, maaaaybe 4
@Absolute-Melody
@Absolute-Melody Жыл бұрын
The fact that Marco x Hekapoo didn’t happen was one of the show’s biggest crime…
@hanahayashi6374
@hanahayashi6374 Жыл бұрын
At this point, I'd say the only characters that could even qualify for Marco romantically/objectively are Hekapoo and Brunzetta. Even then, H x M is still problematic because Hekapoo-as an adult-trapped Marco's teenage self there in the first place. So it's like: "woman whose relationship could count as Stockholm syndrome/grooming" vs "woman who's clearly only seen as a trusted friend/comrade." They honestly should've just let him keep his adult form and be more like an older brother to Star (where they let him date some other adult and Star, a different teen). They also could've treated his mental entrapment seriously, or-if they *really* wanted to keep that Starco ship- do *anything else* where he wouldn't canonically be a middle-aged man trapped in his own teenage body. Shoot, he could've gotten the scissors by participating in a test for Reflectacorp's new, full-body VR headset; he played a fighter game for 8 mins but it felt like 16 years or something. There were just SO many other ways smh.
@frankwest5388
@frankwest5388 7 ай бұрын
Actually there is a relatively simple solution. Don’t date. Marco is a teenager, he could just not date until he is physically an adult, dating other adults (and not a barley legal thing that would feel like grooming, wait until you are both like 20+). He is 14-16 in the show, he can keep it in his pants for 5 years. I did that as well in that age range (not willingly but still)
@hanahayashi6374
@hanahayashi6374 7 ай бұрын
@@frankwest5388 Yup, that works too
@elizabethk007
@elizabethk007 Жыл бұрын
Yeah… this was the main reason I didn’t feel comfortable shipping anyone with Marco after the Running with Scissors episode. It would be one thing if it was a standalone episode, but the show reminds you several times that Marco is a 30 year old now. In the episode “Marco Jr.” his parents try to take a personality quiz for him and list his age as 14-18 while Star marks his age as 26-35 (which is deemed correct). That means even Star (the girl he ends up with) saw Marco as a man in his 30s.
@thecruzking
@thecruzking Жыл бұрын
Same felt gross macthing him up with most of the cast. the only ship that felt okayish was him with hekapoo since both were adults, that had clear interest/chemistry with each other.
@FumanyuX
@FumanyuX Жыл бұрын
@@thecruzking but then it would be an adult with a biological minor
@Caan-dn1jb
@Caan-dn1jb Жыл бұрын
@@FumanyuX yeah thats the thing with deaging a character, you pretty much curse him to be alone, according to western culture at least, because they cant date within their physical age, as would be problematic for him nor they can date within their mental age, as it would be problematic for their partner
@billcipher8645
@billcipher8645 Жыл бұрын
@@FumanyuX and? Many adults look like kids (aka me). There's no reason to find it "problematic" because not every adult will look like macho guys with beards. A lot of them look like teenagers. And that's okay as long as they are adult and can consent
@pootismannmaikrafteano2678
@pootismannmaikrafteano2678 Жыл бұрын
@@thecruzking Marco x hekapoo >>> marco x star
@thetwotasksgirl1535
@thetwotasksgirl1535 Жыл бұрын
I think the creators wanted this to be a one off joke that no one paid enough attention to to see how creepy this potentially could be
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps the S2 director might have wanted it that way. But Daron Nefcy clearly didn't, it is after she takes complete control of the series that they bring up that he is actually an old man multiple times.
@softlymeowgical7609
@softlymeowgical7609 Жыл бұрын
@@nachomolaolivera7580 Ah, yes. The Rowling route. How I deeply loathe thee.
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
@@softlymeowgical7609 I have absolutely no idea what you mean.
@softlymeowgical7609
@softlymeowgical7609 Жыл бұрын
@@nachomolaolivera7580 To explain: The first Fantastic Beasts movie was under the helm of a good director who was able to make the characters likable and the story interesting. However the sequels were created under the supervision of the creator of Harry Potter who proceeded to screw over the legacy of the movies (on top of everything else she's done to alienate the LGBT community/original readership and exceedingly filmsy Word of God stuff post book finale). You can see the parallels with SvtFoE during and post season 2.
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
@@softlymeowgical7609 Perfect comparison, sorry I read it as "rolling" instead of "Rowling" and was extremely confused.
@nevogolan6505
@nevogolan6505 Жыл бұрын
I personally like the idea that the abs dimension represents pure power fantasy. Anyone who spends time there becomes a badass but they don't mature much
@haylee-yd7wd
@haylee-yd7wd 5 ай бұрын
Wait wait wait so he's 50!! In Running with Scissors he became 30 later on he went back to the dimension and stayed for 20 years 30 + 20 = 50 that makes it even worse😨
@hearteyedracoon8605
@hearteyedracoon8605 Жыл бұрын
7:39 what's frustrating is that this could have been fixed if Marco still having his skills from his training was more of a muscle memory thing. Simple cartoon logic that wouldn't have been nearly as uncomfortable
@Tweetyeti
@Tweetyeti Жыл бұрын
This would even have real world logic on its side. Often times traumatic events affect your working memory, but muscle memory is not actively controlled by our memory. Literally the perfect solution and they chose MESSY
@erikbihari3625
@erikbihari3625 5 ай бұрын
​​​​@@Tweetyeti. In my experience, if you needed quality tv then, but big netwroks(Nick=S.B.,C.n.=t.t.G.,Disney=😑)Canada. Heard of fangbone? You mean like if someone threw a shuriken to his head, then instinctive catch?
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
Honestly shows like this make me respect shows like "Big City Greens" for being themselves and not trying to be something they are not, simply to satisfy the Gravity falls fans, resulting in them becoming trash.
@michaelstrong5383
@michaelstrong5383 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see someone else is showing some love to Big City Greens. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for story-driven serialized shows if they're written well, but it's nice to take a break from those occasionally and just enjoy some episodic shows too. Big City Greens is so underrated.
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelstrong5383 that's because the snobbish Gravity falls fans won't watch anything that isn't "dark and story-driven" and would say a show is bad, even though they've never watched it.
@dukeofkings8942
@dukeofkings8942 Жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 ...You seem like you're not a huge fan of GF lmao
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
@@dukeofkings8942 oh, I am a huge fan of Gravity falls. I am not a huge fan of the snobbish Gravity falls fans, who think that every show should be like Gravity falls and that they are too good to watch shows like "Big City Greens" and hate on them, desperate never watching them.
@leovk5779
@leovk5779 Жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 I can enjoy both. Though when a show does well the "dark and story-driven" as you seem to say derogatorily, it benefits from it has it can have more depth. But as I said, I can also enjoy a serialized episodic fun show. Also, Gravity Falls was, and is, great. The fact it was copied poorly does not make the original any less good.
@zcubeDbz
@zcubeDbz Жыл бұрын
I choose to believe Marco decided to push his experiences into the back of his mind and kept the skills he acquired and nothing else.
@therefinedgoose9368
@therefinedgoose9368 Жыл бұрын
I always assumed the reason he wildly shifted between personalities was due to him switching between an adult brain that has stabilized, and then switching back to a teenage brain which is still developing and changing.
@peter_pansexual6243
@peter_pansexual6243 Жыл бұрын
Did anyone else find it weird that a lot of people in the show though that Mariposa (Marco's baby sister) was his daughter and were just fine with it? They thought that this 15 year old boy was a dad and they were ok with it.
@ShokuaK
@ShokuaK Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that weirded me out too. All Marco's friends were like "You and Star made a baby even though it's been less than 9 months since we've seen you? Nice~"
@peter_pansexual6243
@peter_pansexual6243 Жыл бұрын
@@ShokuaK my eldest sister is actually 15 years older than me and when she would take me on walks people assumed she was my mom
@Someoneonceagain
@Someoneonceagain Жыл бұрын
I think that they were just joking, but it’s been a while since I saw that episode
@ShokuaK
@ShokuaK Жыл бұрын
@@aduckofsomesort Well not with that attitude
@velvety2006
@velvety2006 Жыл бұрын
@@aduckofsomesort technically you can but it is probebly not healthy for the baby or the mom
@Valorian6167
@Valorian6167 Жыл бұрын
Here's my hot take: if you have an episode that would change the character extremely and you want to not deal with the repercussions from that episode, then don't have the episode.
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
The episode itself wouldn't have been a problem at all since it did make goods things like presenting one of the Magic High Commision members (In a very good way) and gave Marco another edge on the magical side of thins since now the scissors where rightfully his. Also because in the same time season 2 aired they immediately brush off his experience and say he remembers nothing from there, effectively making him a normal teenager. It is after in season 3 and 4 when they constantly hit you with "Oh, he is a full as grown adult and all our interest is shipping him with a 15 y/o", and therefore becomes a problem.
@Justcallmeaqua420
@Justcallmeaqua420 Жыл бұрын
Or have it as the ending
@rances4418
@rances4418 Жыл бұрын
@@Justcallmeaqua420 Honestly having him not remember but retain the skills. Could have easily been done kinda like distant past life he can’t really remember but retains muscle memory.
@Justcallmeaqua420
@Justcallmeaqua420 Жыл бұрын
@@rances4418 agreed, better concept and would have loved seeing him accidentally throwing someone over his shoulders or done something else mid battle
@anybodykillin
@anybodykillin Жыл бұрын
Yeah I wonder if they thought this once they finished making the episode, but it was too late and just said fuck it.
@Gemini-Lion
@Gemini-Lion Жыл бұрын
One way to avoid this problem, specifically with Starco (not with Jackie x Marco), would’ve been to have Star stay in Heckapoo’s dimension instead of having Marco stay there for a second time. It would’ve dealt much more with the weird age gap between the two of them.
@warbird333
@warbird333 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure the 16 years of experience would change Marco's relationship with his parents because it was fairly well established that Marco was the responsible one in his family.
@ganymede8257
@ganymede8257 Жыл бұрын
Honestly they should've just let Marco and Star stay friends. Their friendship was so precious, and the way they just kissed in a barn was so rushed
@furydeath
@furydeath Жыл бұрын
That or have 'em kiss only for them find there isn't anything past being good friends for them or for 2020 and everyone just kisses everyone 🤣
@Mati_2001
@Mati_2001 8 ай бұрын
They are like siblings 🤢.
@chibiartstudios
@chibiartstudios Жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion: The show should have kept the abb dimension arc and embraced it fully. Marco is 30 now. The romance with Star is dead and his love interest is Heckapoo now. Star can date the demon guy to fill the teen drama quota. These things make Marco sad. The time skip is actually a really interesting and unique character twist and I’d love to see it sincerely followed up on. I hated the way it was brushed aside for convenience.
@disallusionment4449
@disallusionment4449 Жыл бұрын
And Marco becomes an older brother figure for Star
@Volvagia1927
@Volvagia1927 Жыл бұрын
@@disallusionment4449 Yeah. There are a few ways they could have handled this plot point (ACTUALLY handled it), but the angle they went with was blasé and DEEPLY creepy.
@egbertmilton4003
@egbertmilton4003 Жыл бұрын
Nah, he and Jackie were perfection, remove this stuff altogether. Hekapoo is a war criminal who prevented the end of the war between monsters and Mewmans, convincing Festivia to carry on with bloodshed against the monsters. She's just as problematic as a partner as Star
@Volvagia1927
@Volvagia1927 Жыл бұрын
​@@egbertmilton4003 Okay. 1. One of the partners as a Creepy Sex Pest is worse, relationship wise, than War Criminal and 2. Engaging with Hekapoo as War Criminal might have been a GREAT episode premise and they don't have to ignore a plot point to do it?
@drendraleigh4722
@drendraleigh4722 Жыл бұрын
Or maybe just make him forgot he had lived those 16 years ENTIRELY because they can still keep his bad ass factor even then. Marco might forget he had been training for 16 years in another dimention but his muscle memories won't. It could have been fun to see awkward teenage Marco do some sick ass sword play and be like "I CAN DO THAT!??!??"
@Nutellla
@Nutellla Жыл бұрын
I think of it like a spongebob episode where at a new episode at pretty much resets to normal
@kittenbolt5399
@kittenbolt5399 Жыл бұрын
You know what would be a good alternative, if Marco in the regular world figured it was just a fever dream and doesn't really think it's real but whenever he entered the heckapoo dimension and got into his adult form he remembered it all. Almost like a viel of some sorts
@minit9999
@minit9999 Жыл бұрын
How to make Teen Marco have all the skills and experience from Heckapoo's dimension without the 15+ years of life: 1. Have Marco not remember it his time there like it was a vivid dream, quickly being forgotten within a day or two and only able to remember a few pieces that he'd focused on. 2. Have Marco go back and forth through the dimensions, Action Hero Marco Jotting down every thing he knows in a Journal for Teen Marco to read and practice. 3. While Action Hero Marco is essentially a long-distance Master for Teen Marco, a bit of that personality bleeds through, explaining his growing love for adventure.
@Spicy_Pacifist
@Spicy_Pacifist 10 ай бұрын
Dude, honestly adult him teaching teen him how to fight when teen him doesn't remember any if it would be crazy badass
@artxxx6524
@artxxx6524 8 ай бұрын
4. Give star extra 15 years of experience in that dimmention :D
@djordjekrsmanovic
@djordjekrsmanovic Жыл бұрын
I mean they could have just said he doesn't remember anything but he still retains all his skills because they just got ingrained into him do to 16+ years of habit and he can just do all those cool things subconsciously
@BlueBlazeKing
@BlueBlazeKing Жыл бұрын
True I would frame it like this Tom : So you really spent 16 years training, what was it like? Marco: It’s a little weird but when I got back home, all the memories during that time just blurred together as if it was just a dream. Like I can still do some of the stuff I learned but I can barely remember my time there.
@Thegravedigger0
@Thegravedigger0 Жыл бұрын
They did say that he doesn't remember anything, or rather his experience became like a dream
@Random_Pineapple
@Random_Pineapple Жыл бұрын
I felt like they should have done it where the 30-year-old dimension was taken place 16 years after in a whole different world. Then when Marco and Star are in the dimension, they will both be 30 but not because they lived through 16 years, but because the dimension is taken place in 16 years after. Then Marco could have seen all of this and lived a day in this dimension and gotten more of a liking for fighting and sword fighting. Then in his free time, he could be training and then get better over time. Now they can have cool Marco and not deal with the whole age problem. Wonderful Video btw! It was amazing and it broke down everything really nicely!
@marci_off
@marci_off Жыл бұрын
just change his actual memory into muscle memory, and that his life-changing stuff fully comes back when he's in the abbs detention, so when he comes back it feels more like a dream, wired and distant, but he still has the muscle memory of fighting, he had to do it constantly for years so it makes sense for him to still have that with him, maybe it's a spiderman situation where he slowly notices, oh snap, I'm kinda strong now huh? its better then him being an adult that's what I think :,) (sorry for jacked English its not my first language)
@virginiafernandez6846
@virginiafernandez6846 Жыл бұрын
Like, if at least they'd explored the effect of his 15-y-old timeskip... But nooo! We don't even know what actual effects it had on him!
@BlueBlazeKing
@BlueBlazeKing Жыл бұрын
The most we get is him forgetting his password at the end of the episode , but it’s never brought up again
@starlette7820
@starlette7820 Жыл бұрын
Tomstar and Markelly/Jarco were the only ships I had in this godforsaken show and they all ended badly. Tom and Star genuinely had good development, after Tom stopped trying to win her back and showed her that he genuinely wanted to be better not only for her, but for himself and others around him too, she started to see that he really was starting to change, and old feelings reamerged allowing herself to give him another chance. They were genuinely so wholesome and sweet, and worked through their issues together really nicely while they were together. I hated that they broke them up for starco, that ship had become so toxic at that point that it was literally unlikeable.
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid Жыл бұрын
Preach, dude. I still ship these ships even to this day - partly because I don't really want "canon" to ruin all the fun for me, neither am I gonna bend under Starcos and Nefcy's BS.
@reasyrandom
@reasyrandom Жыл бұрын
They teased the idea of a polycule at the end of Season 3 and then did nothing with it! It would've fixed everything!
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71
@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Жыл бұрын
The show was full of relationships between the main characters and their dating partners that actually seemed like good relationships... only to immediately break up OFF SCREEN so that the writer can continue the shipping wars.
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Жыл бұрын
Markelly just sounds wrong
@poijnve3912
@poijnve3912 Жыл бұрын
where did exactly you get that? what development? tom was still the same bad boyfriend he was at the start... he didn't change at all haha
@CyberFunk626
@CyberFunk626 Жыл бұрын
“I will not review Final Space.” Me: _Understands in Sad_
@mememan1546
@mememan1546 Жыл бұрын
I really can't watch this show without becoming completely enraged. The more I see, the more angry I get. Thank you for making this video.
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how easily problematic parts of a story can be fixed if the writers use their brains (looking at Sasuke and Sakura's "love story").
@rinxmacaroni2085
@rinxmacaroni2085 Жыл бұрын
i stll find it weird people who praise it
@justacuteonigiri
@justacuteonigiri Жыл бұрын
Sasuke and Sakura makes sense
@midas6753
@midas6753 Жыл бұрын
@@justacuteonigiri he tried murdering her directly like 5 times. I know the joke about marriage is that the husband and wife want to kill each other but that's not supposed to be literal. They don't make sense.
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
@@midas6753 they COULD have made sense if the writers weren't so out of touch with what's romantic and what is not.
@midas6753
@midas6753 Жыл бұрын
@@valentinkambushev4968 yup 100% there was potential but it wasn't even poorly executed, it wasn't executed at all
@greenleopard49
@greenleopard49 Жыл бұрын
The show should have Jason Borne'd Marco. When Marco leaves the Ab dimension, he doesn't remember his time there but he retains the muscle memory of all the training that he went through. While he is in his 15 year old body he sporadically uses his skills. Sometimes, it is in the middle of combat, other times it is when it is in the middle of school and he accidentally attacks a student. Then we could have a training arc which includes Star to get a better handle of his abilities without the baggage of him being mentally in his 30's.
@sarahgerena8577
@sarahgerena8577 4 күн бұрын
The umbrella company did the old man trapped in his teenage body thing amazingly. He acts cynical yet there are times where he pull out his fight training but in his younger more flexible body, then there are moments when he just acts alil bit like a teenager
@wanderingyeehaw
@wanderingyeehaw Жыл бұрын
Watching the intro got goin AYYYOOO!!! *Spring boing sound effect* *bounces away*
@elliepira8400
@elliepira8400 Жыл бұрын
Whilst a big Starco shipper at the time, now years later I think I'd have preferred it if Marco had stayed more his adult self after realizing he no longer belongs on Earth just pretending nothing had changed and ended up with Heckapoo instead. Having his own side adventure that also deals with important things in the world, establishing himself and Hecka as protagonists of their own story with him and Star just being friends and helping each other in the end. Kinda of like Finn and Flame Princess.
@beluga1246
@beluga1246 Жыл бұрын
I was always so sure that the only reason they introduced Heckapoo as the creator of the scissors was because of that Finn x FP comparison. The scissors could've been anyone else's creation, if the plot was gonna be "Marco pisses off the creator by misusing an artifact"
@skarlet9104
@skarlet9104 Жыл бұрын
Man, you had to bring Finn x FP... They did them so dirty I swear.
@SeaweedRain
@SeaweedRain Жыл бұрын
BIG SAME THO! I think as a kid I was just SO enthralled with starco (tbf I enjoyed markapoo a lot too) but I really do think if I rewatched it now as an adult I would want a different outcome (not that I enjoyed the ending as a kid either tho lmao). I really do think that this one episode of him going out on his own with Hekapoo should have sparked at least more character interactions between them, even if he didn't stay in that world (due to the fact that he would have aged so rapidly) and should have let him branch out more. I understand the show is called STAR vs the forces of evil, but Marco was our second lead and it could have avoided a lot of unnecessary shipping in later episodes
@alyssabullock6421
@alyssabullock6421 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Heckapoo is also kinda sus though, because she's really old, and knew Marco since he was a child in her dimension. So her getting together with him would be questionable on her part
@noratheweeb9387
@noratheweeb9387 Жыл бұрын
This would honestly have been a VERY interesting way to take it, honestly. Even as a Starco shipper, I would’ve loved if they took it that way. It not only makes sense, but they didn’t even have to remove Marco from the story for a time like FP was for it to happen. He could have easily still been included often enough to make a compelling story. Hell, if they still wanted to do some romance thing, but didn’t want to have her go back to her ex, they could have introduced a new character she’d romance as the story goes along, since I know disney wouldn’t have let them have her go for Janna or Jackie.
@Jaybirdieblue
@Jaybirdieblue Жыл бұрын
I still maintain the opinion that Tomco is best ship
@Twinflame915
@Twinflame915 Жыл бұрын
Starco
@michaelstrong5383
@michaelstrong5383 Жыл бұрын
What's funny about that is that Tom was based off of Daron Nefcy's ex-boyfriend while Marco was her real life husband. So the fact that both of them had better chemistry than Starco is so ironic.
@belleoehler2024
@belleoehler2024 Жыл бұрын
Hell yea
@kamerongreen5993
@kamerongreen5993 Жыл бұрын
Tomco for life
@doe4003
@doe4003 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@leavemealone802
@leavemealone802 Жыл бұрын
SVTFOE did everything wrong I'm many different ways, is almost impressive Thank God we have the Owl House, that did everything right in comparison And it is funny, bc the creator of TOH is the current girlfriend of Star's creators ex, and Star's creator said many times that she made Tom to be a mix of all her bad relationships. So is sort of like TOH creator saw all the shade in Star, and thought "I gonna do the same show, but better"
@Diana-tl8pn
@Diana-tl8pn Жыл бұрын
Honestly, no idea how did they make it so weird. Umbrella academy did the concept so much better and that show is not only weird by default but the love interests was a mannequin.
@shadowpuppet8192
@shadowpuppet8192 Жыл бұрын
Never was a Starco shipper. Honestly, as soon as I saw them be introduced to each other, I knew they were going to end up together. But MAN did I pray they wouldn't be. I really wished she'd ended up with Tom. They were actually really good for and to each other! He got better for himself and her.
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid Жыл бұрын
Uh, can we be friends?
@shadowpuppet8192
@shadowpuppet8192 Жыл бұрын
@@smart.but.stupid Absolutely!
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid Жыл бұрын
@@shadowpuppet8192 yaaay lmao But seriously, I've read the "I was never a Starco shipper" sentence and felt like I've so rarely heard it I it's almost bizarre lol
@shadowpuppet8192
@shadowpuppet8192 Жыл бұрын
@@smart.but.stupid Well, I grew up in the era of Ross and Rachel clones. If the protagonists were of opposite genders they'll start off as friends but always end up together. Even if along the 'will they won't they' train either finds a partner that is fundamentally better for them in every conceivable way.
@Random_Pineapple
@Random_Pineapple Жыл бұрын
I felt like they should have made starco at the start/middle of season 2 and then build their relationship from there. Kinda like what The owl House did for Lumity. BUT NO!! THEY DIDN'T DO THAT 💀 Starco sucks because of that, Lucikly, I hate both macro and star! ig there meant to be- I also agree with Tom and Star. It was cute when they lasted! But they runied that too so then Star became toxic for Tom. I agree with what you said! I wish SVTFOE had some logic and didn't random stuff-
@Rembreiker_lychec9257
@Rembreiker_lychec9257 Жыл бұрын
Fridge Brilliance: While Marco seemed to re-adapt to his normal life with little trouble; it must be noted that, at this point, Marco's normal life mostly consisted of going on exciting and dangerous adventures with Star. But when Star returned to Mewni, Marco began to show clear difficulties with adapting to a life without danger and adventure. He could only talk about his past adventures, and refused to remove the cape that King River awarded him. Even when he realized how unhealthy his behavior was, he was still unable to stop. This prevented Marco from reigniting his friendship with Alonzo and Ferguson; and, more importantly, led to the collapse of his romantic relationship with Jackie. In the end, Marco had to move to Mewni because he could not adapt to a normal life. Thus, the ending of this episode "Running with Scissors" may be considered foreshadowing for the fact that Marco will not be able to return to the life that he led before he met Star.
@lavendernightshade5631
@lavendernightshade5631 Жыл бұрын
damn was that from tv tropes or did you come up with that yourself because damn!
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid Жыл бұрын
But it's so unhealthy. I literally know what it feels like when a really amazing person appears in your life and changes it. How fun, exciting and cool this whole change is. But you have to remember that - well, it's not yours. With same person gone you're gonna return to the gloomy, grey routine. That's why it's important to not just drown in fascinating new relationships/friends/people, but change your life so it'll become wholesome on its own.
@watertommyz
@watertommyz Жыл бұрын
@@smart.but.stupid So, moving away from your home state and or country should never ever happen? Because that sounds toxic to just commit to family and or friends if you find new ones, just because they were "first." I think this needs better wording, because this sounds like being a homebody is the norm and can't be toxic on its own.
@smart.but.stupid
@smart.but.stupid Жыл бұрын
@@watertommyz that's literally not what I meant. Moving away should happen if you feel like it. But in Marco's case his obsession with Star, Mewni, all the FUN stuff got so much in the way of his normal life and put an end to all the things he cared about and all the progress he's made. I mean, the boy didn't even finish school properly, his relationship with his girlfriend he had a crush on since kindergarden ended on a sour note - he didn't even pay a visit to his parents after he was gone. At least he could've put some effort in it - but he didn't, and it's not because he felt he didn't belong there anymore without Star, it's because he didn't really try. Like, it felt like he didn't even care. He wanted Star and all the fun opportunities she could give him, and that's all he cared about. You can move on with your life, but still care about your close ones, you know.
@fightingmedialounge519
@fightingmedialounge519 Жыл бұрын
Kind of hard to call or text across dimensions Ashley.
@CamiloFHSC
@CamiloFHSC Жыл бұрын
Even when the Hekapoo episode first aired I was left with a feeling of "oh, that sure is a decision you made...". But yeah, I feel you assessment is right; the show is stuck between "silly show with lol random humor" and "consistent story dealing with complex issues" and did not manage the balance of the two particularly well. Adult Marco is one of the biggest pieces of evidence to that.
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
And let's not forget, he isn't merely 30 (which is already double Star's age) he is over forty, being older than his own parents. Last time he goes to the Neverzone and returns he states that he has grey hairs which none of his parents have at age 41 and 42. Meaning he has to be older.
@dr.blockcraft6633
@dr.blockcraft6633 Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. Being in A high Stress environment Put a Lot of Physical stress On your Body, and Ages you Physically a Lot faster. If you Never had To worry About finances, Ever, you Could probably Live an Additional 15-30 Years, due To the Stress relief Of not having To think About money. Marco was In a Life or Death situation, For that Entire time. That would Make him Age even Quicker. (without The benefits) Not that It's necessary True in This case, He did Spend another 20 years There after All, canonically.
@insertaname2485
@insertaname2485 Жыл бұрын
I would have liked it if Star and Marco were more like an older worried uncle or older brother who can be cool and a younger chaotic niece or younger sibling of relationship, it would make some interesting and funny moments, it wouldn't weird people out, and it brings something fresh on the table instead of a boy and girl becomes friends and later turns into a couple. And maybe Marco likes a person who has a 1 year age gap and Star could be a supporting family member and Marco could help Star out with issues she's facing and try to support her.
@aroeenafaith5519
@aroeenafaith5519 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about the info I'm about to give you, so take it with a grain of salt. But I heard that was actually supposed to be the plan, for Marco and Star to just stay friends, but the people who shipped starco got a little too... agressive, to say the least (dea*h threats). And the writers didn't really have a choice in the matter, for mental health's sake.
@thegreedyworm3120
@thegreedyworm3120 Жыл бұрын
I just assumed his brain also became less developed like his body, so like 30 years of memories but the maturity of a kid
@whateverwhatever4476
@whateverwhatever4476 Жыл бұрын
That would make sense since the brain is still developing as a child
@Someoneonceagain
@Someoneonceagain Жыл бұрын
But don’t memories also help in your maturity? You don’t have 30 years of memories but don’t learn anything from them
@something4922
@something4922 Жыл бұрын
@@aduckofsomesort Adding on I feel like he wouldn't have matured in the way he would on Earth and Mewni due to the nature of the dimension.
@Someoneonceagain
@Someoneonceagain Жыл бұрын
Ok, random thing not related to this, how come all our names are just stating that we don’t know who we are? Edit: well, mine changed, but it used to be still someone
@hello_ree
@hello_ree Жыл бұрын
@@Someoneonceagain lol
@AceOBlade
@AceOBlade Жыл бұрын
you know what might have helped disney letting them finish the story with one more season instead of them having to rush everything into half a season
@christianmbabazi9722
@christianmbabazi9722 Жыл бұрын
My thing with Disney channel and a lot of their recent cartoon shows is they be on That weird shit ☠️
@Voxivus
@Voxivus Жыл бұрын
Disney sure has done some questionable things!
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
CJ: NO SHIT!
@exist7513
@exist7513 Жыл бұрын
Song of the south
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
@@exist7513 that's pretty harmless, compared to other stuff Disney has done.
@genericname2747
@genericname2747 Жыл бұрын
Romance between 30 year old and teenager: Ok Romance between 2 girls who are the same age: Cancel the show
@Voxivus
@Voxivus Жыл бұрын
@@genericname2747 Sounds about right
@The-Random-Hamlet
@The-Random-Hamlet Жыл бұрын
Also, I was a bit disappointed that the whole monster arm thing was never touched on again. I knew it wouldn't be, but I thought it might lead to some interesting things. Especially in light of Toffee's condemnation of Marco.
@joshuaharris3039
@joshuaharris3039 Жыл бұрын
Thank You! I have been dying for someone to bring that up!
@The-Random-Hamlet
@The-Random-Hamlet Жыл бұрын
@@joshuaharris3039 You're welcome ;)
@neohelios4776
@neohelios4776 Жыл бұрын
Honnestly if I was the one who thought about a solution to this problem is that Marco as a character had his personality and his mental age re-adapted to his current body when he returned to earth regressing to a personality closer to his original. Which still leaves and impact on his personality and keeps his memories of the "abs" dimension.
@ratshave4748
@ratshave4748 10 ай бұрын
he's a grown man, she's a teen, it's bad bad no matter how you look at it. bro should have pulled an ice king and dipped
@milktea6676
@milktea6676 Жыл бұрын
Did anyone else ship grown up marco and hekapoo together? They had a weird amount of chemistry
@TheArthurxz
@TheArthurxz Жыл бұрын
Yes
@TheArthurxz
@TheArthurxz Жыл бұрын
In my opinion they worked alot better i was sad when hekapoo died off screen
@ukaszgrzesik7231
@ukaszgrzesik7231 Жыл бұрын
Like a FedEx
@thecruzking
@thecruzking Жыл бұрын
loved the chemistry plus for me a playful relationship built on trust and respect. plus to me it was the only ship that marco could really have that wasn't gross. seriously wonder how no one in the room brought up how pairing a 30+ year old adult with a girl thats like 14 was a bad and gross idea.
@akolbinger
@akolbinger Жыл бұрын
100% my favorite ship from that show and I wish it was more popular
@porobotboyxxx
@porobotboyxxx Жыл бұрын
Technically Marco’s older than 30, since he spent some time rebuilding an Ice Kingdom.
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
Older than his own parents, they have not a single grey hair but at the end of that episode Marco himself says he has a lot of them.
@porobotboyxxx
@porobotboyxxx Жыл бұрын
@@nachomolaolivera7580 Man, this ship is creepy now. *o^O* I miss Marco x Hekapoo.😔
@nekogamer2508
@nekogamer2508 Жыл бұрын
@@porobotboyxxx we need more fanfics of Marcapoo
@xempororhxppyx
@xempororhxppyx Жыл бұрын
@@nekogamer2508 Well now Hekapoo is dead. Its all Stars fault.
@nekogamer2508
@nekogamer2508 Жыл бұрын
@@xempororhxppyx yeah because she didn't want to deal with problem at it's core
@FalseGardenOfEden
@FalseGardenOfEden Жыл бұрын
A good example of the whole older person in a younger body actually being written well is umbrella academy cause they are aware and constantly get a reminder that he is old.
@Alhelir
@Alhelir Жыл бұрын
Or they could have an episode where Star and all the other children dating each other in love triangles became lost in the Hekapoo dimension shenanigans and spend 16 years becoming their adult buff selves, less “icky” to put it in some way.
@brandonwilliams5423
@brandonwilliams5423 Жыл бұрын
Actually there is an episode where Marco returns a sword and helps to rebuild an entire civilization offscreen and he said he has some white hair so he is much older but when he returns to the never zone later for mariposa and meteora he is 30 years old again (probably an error in the continuity or a retcon)
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
FUCKING FINALLY, I thought I was the only one to bring this one up.
@Mestionora_Books
@Mestionora_Books Жыл бұрын
Maybe that's civilization dimension somewhat has a separate timeline, so Marco has 3 different ages in those 3 different dimensions?
@TheCommenterDragon
@TheCommenterDragon Жыл бұрын
I can still remember when that particular episode of SVTFOE also sparked the whole ship between adult Marco and Hekapoo.
@beluga1246
@beluga1246 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, with how flirty they were in one episode, and having canonical *years* of rivalry and history, Markapoo had more fuel than any other ship we'd seen at that point
@TheCommenterDragon
@TheCommenterDragon Жыл бұрын
@@beluga1246 True, in fact ngl when i say i used to ship Marcapoo as well.
@easymoneyrad
@easymoneyrad Жыл бұрын
He liked her before when they were younger so even if if his mind transcended to an older mind isn’t it the same as loving your highschool crush that you losy
@callme7170
@callme7170 Жыл бұрын
7:45 30 year old marco in the body of a teenager femboy pulling a katana is like a fever dream
@michaelstrong5383
@michaelstrong5383 Жыл бұрын
*Star vs:* The show where all the ships are better than the main one.
@valentinkambushev4968
@valentinkambushev4968 Жыл бұрын
Like most shows and movies.
@DipperPines1986
@DipperPines1986 Жыл бұрын
This is so accurate
@FerraticaTheBard
@FerraticaTheBard Жыл бұрын
I think it would have been interesting to see them acknowledge and have Marco act like the age he became, and could have potentially worked and led to a lot of really funny scenarios, but to do that they would also have had to give up on Starco or Marco even seriously dating anyone, and they weren't willing to do that. Like, it would have been funny as heck to see an episode start with Marco doing taxes, because his parents said he needs to learn, since he's an adult now - it could even have been a funny running gag in the episode that Marco's going on an adventure with Star while also still trying to get the taxes done! Or Marco grumbling about still having to go to high school when he's an adult, only to be confronted with, "Yeah, an adult who never finished high school, go do your homework." There are a lot of ways they could have gone with it that show Marco's character has altered, while also taking advantage of the show's lighter tone to not alter it so much that he's an entirely new character. They just needed to give up on the shipping angle and let Marco and Star shift into more of an inter-generational friendship angle, and it could have become something really special as a result. Instead we have... the show they actually did.
@chosentragedy3934
@chosentragedy3934 Жыл бұрын
I would actually be more interested if they kept that + Marco battling with himself when it comes to feelings for star. Bc in a way he's still 15, but he's an adult too so it can't happen (and ofc it doesnt end up with them together, but it would be interesting to see that internal conflict and eventually talking to star like, 'I like you, but I can't be with you')
@FerraticaTheBard
@FerraticaTheBard Жыл бұрын
@@chosentragedy3934 Oh! That would also be a great direction to take this, I like that idea, too!
@henrywang3977
@henrywang3977 Жыл бұрын
Well, a person's mentality is not purely decided by memories. So a teenager with 30+ age memory, may still has mental age similar to physical age, if the brain parts handling emotions and personalities roll back to old stage. --In this case, having extral memory is like having watched a decade long movie or dream, or like having played a long videogame from first-personal perspective while learning all the skills but not actually feeling like being the hero of that game. Or like this: watching throuth someone else's life, does not make you that person. Only in this case that "someone else" is yourself from another dimension. --There are cases that people with brain damage suddenly grows a totally different personality, but does not lose much memories. --There are revrse examples of Marco, that some times a very severe amnesia can take out decades of memories. Which is basically the same as a teenager suddenly wakes up in a middle-aged body. But many times a patient can adapt to the reality, and have their mentality grows quicker than actual time to match their physical age. (So the show could have carried out like this: Besides all the running gags you have promoted. They could have Marco being confirmed that his still has the mental age of a teenager, even having all the extral memories, explaining why he had a hard time did not use his new skills responsibly as an adult. Maybe he is more mature due to excessive memories, but only like being mentally 18 or 19 while being physically 16. And his mentality is aging much slower than his body if not regressing, so his physical age will soon catch up with his brain within a year. And to make it even less creepy, they could arrange a date with Marco and an older woman, proving that this does not work. With Marco said his memory tells him he could get this done if he's a 32 man, but his teenage emotions tell him this is too weird to handle.)
@Dice0192
@Dice0192 Жыл бұрын
I mean you heard the themesong "Its gonna get a little wierd"
@aMythologicalDriedCactus
@aMythologicalDriedCactus Жыл бұрын
They’ve actually been doing it since their first Disney princess movie Snow White:14 Her Prince:31 31-14=17 THEY GOT A 17 YEAR AGE-GAP!!!
@samflood5631
@samflood5631 11 ай бұрын
Felt that this relationship would be less creepy if the prince was either 17 or 16.
@Devi1Admon
@Devi1Admon Жыл бұрын
Goodness, this takes me back. After the initial Buff Marco episode aired, I was blown away by the implications it had for Marco, his relationship with everyone, and how the show would move forward from this. I spent an hour discussing it with a family member, who I nudged into watching SVTFOE with me. Looking back, I must have seemed like a raving lunatic. … so imagine my confusion and disappointment when Buff Marco was forgotten & a non-issue, except when he actually was. This really threw me into chaos, and overly complicated my series for the show, even as weirder plot points and creative choices were made. And while I never engaged in the shipping wars, I lowkey shipped Marco with Hekapoo, partly because their dynamic felt more equal and amusing than what Starco had, and partly because dating Hekapoo was the least creepy option for Marco at this point. Another reason I feel like a lunatic when factoring Marco’s real age, for believing for even a second that Starco wasn’t endgame. Perhaps this is backwards minded, but I do think Hekapoo was killed off not once, but twice for even being a romantic option for Marco. Demon girl had to double die for our lord & savior, Starco.
@goj1_lag00n
@goj1_lag00n Жыл бұрын
I shipped Marco and Hekapoo the moment I watched the episode. I mean, she's fun and hot (literally too) and she and Marco share a long personal history. Heck, Marco knows her longer than any other person in his life. Also, the romantic chemistry was so noticeable in the episode.
@ShizuruRavenRobin026
@ShizuruRavenRobin026 Жыл бұрын
To this day I think the only thing I'll ever remember star versus the forces of evil 4 is how crazy all of the ships were the same with Voltron as well as much as I wasn't even really into Voltron for the shipping but I really wanted to know more about the story the lore and certain things about the characters it felt like all of that was tossed aside due to how the show runners were acting and how the people with the ships were acting and they can be say it for star versus the forces of evil I actually bought the book for this show and I'm sitting here upset knowing that I still have it and that I think if I tried to sell it no one will buy it due to the bad taste of the show left in people's mouth
@dorkchops
@dorkchops Жыл бұрын
no time related plot will hit me like Timmy’s secret wish in Fairly Odd Parents
@penntopaper9305
@penntopaper9305 7 ай бұрын
the thing is, if his body reverted back to a 15 yo that means his brain physically did as well. just because he has more memories doesnt make his brain more physically mature
@MercenaryX84
@MercenaryX84 Жыл бұрын
This is a personal landmine in the show that people really try not to step or it will literally blow up everything that you know to bee true and right
@roifroid4862
@roifroid4862 Жыл бұрын
This video reminded me of something that happened a few years ago. When I was seventeen years old I had a very strange experience in a dream. basically I lived my whole life in this dream, from my birth until my death in the hospital. The thing was, this dream was so real for me that when I woke up I couldn't believe it was all in my head, especially when my girlfriend at the time came to talk to me. I legitimately felt disgusted with myself, as in my post-dream vision I should have been in my 90s, while she was 16. I had to spend time in therapy to get this resolved. I wanted to know, taking advantage of the topic of the video, if it was a very big reaction that I had? I really believed that I had already lived so was it stupid or not?
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
Not stupid at all, it is a rather normal reaction and does show you have a sense of morality. As long as we have stablished it really was a mere dream, and that you never tried to take advantage over her, You are alright. Even showed off that your best interest was in not harming her in any shape or form.
@sakareeh
@sakareeh Жыл бұрын
That’s is cool and terrifying. My bf and best friend hand some dream like this too
@Erica-nf2tj
@Erica-nf2tj Жыл бұрын
This is the most existentially terrifying thing I have ever read.
@LCFUNNY
@LCFUNNY Жыл бұрын
For me it was just a year long relationship with some guy I never met I was about to meet his family and I woke up I was so upset about I tried to go back to sleep nope haven’t had dream since n it was the best relationship I could’ve had 😭😭😭
@mayateeemm5728
@mayateeemm5728 Жыл бұрын
this reminds me of that junji ito comic where the guy in the hospital keeps having dreams that span progressively longer time periods. i think it was called the long dream or something
@zenotekdev9540
@zenotekdev9540 Жыл бұрын
well it's a case of marco's exes are girls he mostly knew beforehand
@RadCarne
@RadCarne Жыл бұрын
He’s a teenager in a adult body he didn’t get the development of a normal “life” he just had “action life” that’s like you playing Cod for that long 😂
@Someoneonceagain
@Someoneonceagain Жыл бұрын
If they REALLY wanted to keep that episode, they could have found a way for Star and adult Marco to go back in time and bring young Marco back while adult Marco stayed adventuring with Heckapoo
@stuffposter9011
@stuffposter9011 Жыл бұрын
This show derailed faster than you could say "DAMN"
@BlackReshiram
@BlackReshiram Жыл бұрын
god i wish there was a good cartoon (or even any show really) with good shipping material in it anymore
@l3n515
@l3n515 Жыл бұрын
''Marco is mentaly 30 and star is a teenager and...i am ok with that'' 911 whats your emergency
@bullettime1116
@bullettime1116 6 күн бұрын
mentally is a stretch, he returned to his normal body, his brain is now that of his biological age
@Darkgun231
@Darkgun231 Жыл бұрын
This raises the question of what makes an adult: the body or the mind? Obviously, a 30 year old dating teens would be extremely creepy, but Marco is either a 30 year old in a teen body, or a teen with the experiences, memories, and skills of an adult. What does he count as? How does one determine age when time-travel shenanigans exist? It's the sort of question reincarnation Isekai don't bother asking.
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
Mushoku Tensei doesn't ask that, straight up answers it is a freacking fat 30 years old trying to hok up with a minor. But never condems it, endorses it fully. And somehow people aren't paradeing the author's head through the streets.
@soulzuniverse5097
@soulzuniverse5097 Жыл бұрын
..unpopular take no one thought of? (Ok reading some more maybe people did lmao): i think the show goes with this more but idk????... maybe im being too naive/etc. *shrugs* but id say marco never mentally aged, he was more like a teen stuck in adult body in that world. He shows that by his immature selfish actions and lack of growth. if he was mentally 30 he'd be behaving a lot less like a hormonal cocky whiney teenager and more solid, smooth flowing, wiser, mature, etc.... so no i disagree his mental age is still a wild rebellious teenager that doesnt know wtf he is doing, all teens would act exactly like marco in the real world and do what he is doing lmao... at least most. every teen dreams of being an adult to get some imagined freedom etc, yet wants to remain a teen its confusing but common, i dont think it means they all wanna be creepy little creeps ... most. now ill say some probably are ... but dont automatically assume this i think? -and i agree with you. things get really complex and confusing, sometimes i feel people maybe trying too hard to say everything is bad evil twisted creepy when it wasnt meant that way?.. but then again idk x'D.. also you just mentioned reincanartion and if u remember those memories and retain those parts of yourself yet have your new younger self as well......THAT can get really confusing - at the end of the day there id say knowledge and intent really matter ; you may THINK you are big bad wise adult like all kids/teens who wanna "grow up" do but if you monitor though processes actions etc you find they really are still just dumb emotional confused teens soo... (knowing from experience) but if you have ill intent and intended shit that way and know what you are doing exactly then thats super wrong...i agree. ~A.D.R
@JohnDoe-uf3lj
@JohnDoe-uf3lj Жыл бұрын
Oh dear… bring up isekai is either a great idea or an awful idea. Because there a literally shows about grown men in children’s bodies using this as a chance to groom and pursue relationships with young girls 😱 I think StarVs was probably just putting in this scenario as a joke and had no idea how bad the implications were. Oops…
@joshuayonemura2572
@joshuayonemura2572 Жыл бұрын
I think the show as a whole implies that although keeping the memories from Hekapu's Dimension Marco is mentally the age of whatever body he is in. This would still make it blurry however because gaining 16 years of experience usually makes someone an adult. However, if someone learned 16 years of experience from a mentor in less time, could someone argue that is 16 years of experience? If there was 16 years of stories and a person with photographic memory read it all in 2 years, would that be 16 years of knowledge? This is my take: Starco isn't weird because having information doesn't make you an adult. It is about the balance of mental and physical age. If the balance is broken, that character is an adult.
@bullettime1116
@bullettime1116 6 күн бұрын
@@JohnDoe-uf3lj mushoku tensei is an example of the wrong way to do that sort of plot point
@Magicghost23
@Magicghost23 Жыл бұрын
They really didn’t think this plot line through did they.
@nachomolaolivera7580
@nachomolaolivera7580 Жыл бұрын
In season 2 they did think about it and immediately made it cannon that he doesn't remember a thing, being the important parts of the episode only Hekapoo and the Scissors. It is with season 3 and 4, which are dumpster fires, that it clearly shows they have no morals and, even if they did think it through, they wouldn't have cared about the implications.
@niko_437
@niko_437 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea where this show was trying to go
@gregorydery
@gregorydery Жыл бұрын
Don't forget snow white and the seven dwarfs. Snow White: teen Prince Charming: 20s
@simpgod2170
@simpgod2170 Жыл бұрын
They could have easily have made a episode where star for some reason goes to the dimension by herself, Marco learns about it and follows after her several minutes later (our dimension time) and finding a adult star with years of experience. It would've solved the problem right there
@sunyavadin
@sunyavadin Жыл бұрын
Literally just had this conversation with friends today after showing one of them Madoka Magica for the first time, as we discussed Homura having 25 years of experience (12 of those of repeating trauma) in a 13 year old's body.
@mundanephysics521
@mundanephysics521 Жыл бұрын
This reply is what made me realize the Madoka Magica girls were spanning in age from 13-15 and I'm not sure how to feel about it
@franciscoarzapalozapata4610
@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 Жыл бұрын
Homura x Madoka was always a toxic one anyway
@wahwaffles
@wahwaffles Жыл бұрын
I mean mentally and psychologically, I personally think homura was stunted and she basically is still 13 but has been 13 for all those extra time resets. I do agree with what you said that she has years of trauma associated with it but I think they handled it better than svtfoe cause they didn't "age" her up like they did with marco
@elizabethk007
@elizabethk007 Жыл бұрын
Homura technically never aged as she was stuck in a time loop of her own making. And as you said it was repeating trauma, she never really got to grow into an adult
@trucelovers
@trucelovers Жыл бұрын
to be fair she went through basically similar things (time loop and all) so there's not a lot of new information and experiences for her besides enhances fighting skills and lots of trauma
@desertphoenix7908
@desertphoenix7908 Жыл бұрын
Would have been interesting to see Marco have a character arc trying to find his place in the world, seeing him try to approach girls his age only to reject him because his too young, have him trying to hang out with older people only to find him childish, to have him trying to reconnect with his friends only to see how much his changed. Having him find his identity as he has to realize he's an not a teen anymore but forced to live the reality to continue his new life since he is a teen again
@soulzuniverse5097
@soulzuniverse5097 Жыл бұрын
actually u make a point he isnt exactly an adult and not just a normal teen anymore...so itd be hard to fit in on either side tbh in reality. not really his fault and he deserves love too? xD
@rickydiscord7671
@rickydiscord7671 Жыл бұрын
I think there's a show about a character like that. I forgot what's called and what it is about. but I remember there's a character trying to fit in a world while he's between ages mentally and physically. than again there's ALOT of rebirth animes have done this so many times already.
@dinosaurusrex1482
@dinosaurusrex1482 Жыл бұрын
30+ years of experience crammed into the brain of a teenager
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