Shirogorov Custom Division Hati: Is it worth the higher price?

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Shirogorov Custom Division Hati: Is it worth the higher price?

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A brief overview of my new Custom Division Hati (often referred to as the Seashell Hati or Clamshell Hati), and a comparison to a standard Midtech Shirogorov.

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@John_BP 10 жыл бұрын

You're my new favorite knife guy, love your analogues. Honest, passionate and yet so down to earth. Great stuff!

@nihontoman 10 жыл бұрын

Fit and finish job on these and the Terzuola pieces never cease to impress me. They look like they are symmetrical and precise in every regard, to the last atom. Nice video. thanks.

@986C 8 жыл бұрын

Best knife reviewer on KZfaq. I always stop by your channel when I want the 'No bullshit.' scoop on a knife. Well done Jim.

@EditCrew 9 жыл бұрын

This is the only knife you own that i really really lust over.

@wilkesbryan9707 10 жыл бұрын

Shirogorov makes great knives!! Fantastic knife for sure!

@jasonpriebe5493 5 жыл бұрын

It's a beautiful work of art !!! You sure it's not single row roller bearings instead of mrbs I have the bronze hati custom division and it's on rollers and I thought all the custom division were I could be wrong though

@Slankysausage 3 жыл бұрын

if this truly is a CD its on rollers not mrbs

@ctaber2011 7 жыл бұрын

I got one of these, they are really nice.

@CTKTMRIDER 10 жыл бұрын

Well done! I love my custom division Hati. I'm addicted to Shiros.

@iOAHUGROWNi 10 жыл бұрын

Lol. You are. Love your IG feed

@CTKTMRIDER 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man

@Mosseri 10 жыл бұрын

Another fan here. Can't have enough of them Shiro posts. ;)

@mitchelldelmar9682 8 жыл бұрын

The ONLY thing I wonder about on this knife is the stepped lock bar insert - the steel insert isn't flush with the end of the lock bar. No idea what the thinking was behind that, but It may limit (perhaps only hypothetically) the life of the lock bar. Beautiful work and I'm envious.

@Mrplacedcookie 10 жыл бұрын

That is one stylish knife with class! There's something about it, just wow! "Should come standard in a BMWfeeling" hard to describe but it's carry a certain style.

@Hungrybird474 Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if this one is but the green thorn one definitely is . The Shiros hold their value and seem to be increasing so it’s a good investment imo . There is no knife worth $1200 . It’s like a name brand car like Ferrari , ya gotta pay if ya want one . Lol $2500 . Taking advantage of our addiction . $600 -$800 is the most any knife should be . There’s just not enough there besides the name which is what costs . Can’t say I blame them because I’d be doing the same thing if the market is paying .

@logandh2 10 жыл бұрын

Man... I might feel differently if I had the money to comfortably spend but I don't think any knife should cost 1000+ dollars. I just can't imagine it's good enough to be worth it.

@teeheenoob123 10 жыл бұрын

It's a matter of opinion. Too me I don't think Some art should be worth over 1k But they sell for over 10k easily. I never really handled a custom knife, but in the end, it's not any different from buying an overpriced painting or an overpriced car

@xxsicknasti48 10 жыл бұрын

^^^ what he said

@logandh2 10 жыл бұрын

Regardless it's still just a knife. It's a tool meant for work, not a display.

@joeygonzo 10 жыл бұрын

Why not ? Steels are not cheap ( good ones ). It takes years to hone the skill to make knives like that . The cost of machinery is enormous.

@logandh2 10 жыл бұрын

Rusty Shackleford And I feel the same about all of those things as well. Functionality matters more than luxury I think.

@experienceprecision5406 4 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine how I would feel when I lost this knife for even a second.

@_mattheweng 9 жыл бұрын

if i won the lottery i wouldn't be rich for very long :(

@melissavanotterloo5431 10 жыл бұрын

Boy, I just dont know..... I own a T95, and an F3, and came to a similar conclusion in terms of the mechanics. My T95 is lightning fast and very smooth, but my F3 is easily 5x as smooth, and marginally faster yet. I agree the custom division is a new level of sexy but we are looking at a next level price tag for those bells and whistles. Dont get me wrong I love Shiro but they are really swinging for the fence here..... I cant say I blame them however. My2cents.

@kylebettleyon447 10 жыл бұрын

At some point in anything you will always reach a point of diminishing returns, where no matter what you do the results are less and less noticeable. And at some point with knives you often transfer into luxury. My point on that is when you do anything to a knife that doesn't add to performance. But this kinda thing is no different. Value was and always will be in the eye of the beholder.

@Mosseri 10 жыл бұрын

She's such a beauty!

@miyamotoclan5054 10 жыл бұрын

Which one should be my next knife; Mick Strider Custom Full Titanium or a Shirogorov Mod 95 Custom?

@tpercival12 10 жыл бұрын

Awesome knife and video, now I want to see a video on how you store all these knives. lol

@TheRuzo1330 9 жыл бұрын

Just bought mine. it hurt a little at $2,650. But if you say it worth it then I will try it out. Thanks Jim.

@ryanikiman5213 9 жыл бұрын

TheRuzo1330 how is it?

@deadbeatbillionaires 8 жыл бұрын

+ryan ikiman He's lying

@stoneybeek5257 8 жыл бұрын

+Paracord Artistry no he bought mine. Hope you like it ruzo

@unitedgray 9 жыл бұрын

For $2,500 I would expect the hardware to be clocked/ oriented in the same direction. Still a gorgeous knife nonetheless.

@JimSkeltonKnives 9 жыл бұрын

unitedgray A screw is only going to thread so far, one cannot be assured of exact placement of the slots. In the watch world, I've heard people say the same thing about the screws in the bezel of the Hublot Big Bang (and variants), but at $10k-$125k, you're sure to realize that you're not buying an inferior quality watch, even if the screws cause OCD overload.

@unitedgray 9 жыл бұрын

Jim Skelton There are ways to ensure that the hardware is clocked properly. And for that price tag, it can absolutely be done.

@rickpropas382 8 жыл бұрын

+unitedgray Especially on Shiros it is easy to align or clock the slots since the female is round and rotates (that is, it is not keyed). I have a large handful of CDs and some came aligned and some not. I think what we are paying for with them is not more quality, because the sdtandard knives offer plenty of that, but exotic materials and exclusivity.

@dillanarcher64 4 жыл бұрын

Agree. Very much agree. My Gtc has its screw perfectly lined with the frame. It can be done and should be done. These knives are great but not worth the price.. Period.

@dryflyelk 10 жыл бұрын

Awesome knife, Jim. Next step: full custom with DRRBS. I have no doubt that we'll see that vid here in the future. It's a slippery slope. And to those who say "x" isn't worth "y" dollars...who are you to say what "worth it" means for anybody? If a guy wants to buy something that he likes, and he has enough money, then it's "worth it" for that guy - whatever the cost.

@bobjordan4868 9 жыл бұрын

Time for a new Magnificent Seven Flippers video. Your Moons, your Shirogorov, you RJ Martin, compare what we've heard you rave about recently.

@konkelkent 2 жыл бұрын

I wish we would stop even discussing price tbh. Everything is so relative, and its usually like "If you think its expensive its not for you" , it can be applied to literally anything. Take art for example, Mona lisa is just a piece of paper with some ink on it for 800 million dollars if you put it that way. so yeah the Paper, frame and etc doesnt add upp to that price obviously. Everything is just worth as much as people are willing to pay. that goes with all things in life.

@thomasfedrich9116 10 жыл бұрын

I would be happy with either one but the one from the custom division seems insane. The finish on it's handles looks like it would feel like the flat black paint on a rat rod.

@nr-aussie3341 5 жыл бұрын

This is a custom division shiro and not a full custom built by Sergei Shirogorov, the 95t In the video is just a production shiro

@JimSkeltonKnives 5 жыл бұрын

Pontus Asplund Which is why the title of the video says “Shirogorov Custom Division Hati”. So... congrats for reading?

@cooperbon5771 7 жыл бұрын

Going to take the big plunge Jim. Can't decide on whether to go with the Rockstead Shin or the Shirogorov Hati. Will be my biggest purchase. Which do recommend getting first? Thanks Jim.

@GOLD_FEVER 2 жыл бұрын

What'd you end up getting? My "budget" ursus is in the mail ... but if not for the thumb open on the rockstead i would have bought it hands down...

@michaeldcampion 10 жыл бұрын

Scalloped ? just breaking your balls, love the videos, love the reviews..... sticking with the kwaiback... dollar for dollar best set up... IMHO....

@iOAHUGROWNi 10 жыл бұрын

For that kind of money, I'd have a hard time deciding whether to get a custom Shirogorov or a Korth sentry

@MattH-wg7ou 4 жыл бұрын

I could buy a damn Ed Brown 1911 for that. Holy crap! Im not a hater though, I understand good things cost good money, It took me a while to get there with guns...understanding spending that much. But Im just not quite there yet, with the 4 figure knife prices. Again. Not knocking it. I get it with many other things, but still working toward it with knives lol. But damn that sure is a beautiful badass knife!

@royce0518 8 жыл бұрын

Jim I also have a custom division Haiti. Believe this all Sirogorov Custom Division Knives that I own have the bear Logo on the blade. I know that you showed it on the inside but mine has M390 and not MRBS but mine has MRRBS which is the roller bearing system and I paid $2000 for it . I think I got the better deal and I bought mine less than 3 months ago and your video was posted 9/16/2014.

@jimmyf1312 8 жыл бұрын

Did you get your knife on eBay? Because only the full customs have multi row roller bearings.

@jimmyf1312 8 жыл бұрын

+jimmyf1312 you must mean single row roller bearings and I've never seen a Hati or slim or 95t custom division without s90v...

@nofaithjusthope8714 8 жыл бұрын

I question how important it really is to have a knife that opens soooo smooth that they need bearings is that the most important aspect of a knife I don't think so. I would think a knifes greatest aspect is it's cutting ability and how well it holds up to long term use and how easy it is to service (clean and lube). The current fad of bearings in knifes IMO is just that a fad, too early to tell how these bearing knives actually used for daily use, pocket carry and such will more than likely need cleaning how are these knives serviced...can they be serviced easily? If at all? Sure I understand sitting around and flicking a knife open is fun (I do it) but is that what a knife is for? So, spending $400 up on a knife because it opens smooth AND fast because it uses bearings is NOT the best reason to justify buying it. I think bearings in knives are a crutch for makers that don't know how to make a smooth opening knife any other way. Face it folding knife lovers most of the cutting you do is opening boxes and cutting cardboard, do you really need the knife to fly open for these chores? If you do daily carry your bearing laden knife (any knife for that matter) you'll find quite a bit of lint in it. I contend that a knife that has bearings will get gummed up much easier and be harder to get back to new like condition. Maybe I'm wrong about this but all the knives I own do get used and do get dirty and need cleaning I just don't know how the bearing knives will do in the long haul. To answer your question...is it worth it? NO

@JimSkeltonKnives 8 жыл бұрын

+nofaithjusthope No one said that the action was the most important thing about a high quality knife. But when you're talking about $2,000+ customs such as this, all of the basics are already covered, so you look into the minutiae to compare one to another... and this is where action plays a key part. The basics like blade grind, grind angle, blade steel, blade centering, lockup, etc aren't generally going to be a factor (or an issue) in knives of this level, so performance and durability are already there. When one opens effortlessly (which is the paramount reason for wanting a flipper to begin with), and one may not feel quite the same... there are notes to be made.How a door closes on your car isn't the reason for buying it, but once you've owned a Mercedes and experienced that very particular feel and sound as the door closes.. you compare that to other cars in the same class and use it as a differentiating factor. As far as bearings, that's merely a personal choice, but most tactical knives do use them. They require only a tiny bit more maintenance if the knife is well-used, and that merely involves blasting it out with WD40 (to clean, WD40 is not a lubricant), then blasting it with compressed air. Once done, most knives won't need to be disassembled. In severe cases, sure... but I also break down my washer knives to clean them too. Some of the finest knives, made by the finest (legendary) makers use bearings.

@nofaithjusthope8714 8 жыл бұрын

+Jim Skelton I agree in part, many high end makers are using bearings, I don't agree that using them makes them better more complex yes better though not really IMO. As I said I think it's more of a fad and everyone wants bearings right now. Maybe it's here to stay I don't know but I think it"s a weak point and not something that makes knives more reliable/stronger, just the opposite IMO. The knife you're reviewing here in my opinion is way over priced I mean what is so special about a slab of CF and one of titanium CNC machined a couple custom screws not much else. For that price range I would expect to see a whole lot of custom work and really exotic materials I just don't see it here. The way a knife opens is nice but not as important as other aspects of a custom knife, I would expect ALL knifes in this price range to be great in the smoothness of opening that should go without saying. The factors that (in my mind) that would make it worth $2000 would and should be more exotic materials and custom touches I just don't see that in this knife. It's basically a $2000 tactical folder. I would much rather have say 2 Allen Elishewitz customs than one of these for that price. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

@jimmyf1312 8 жыл бұрын

+nofaithjusthope The reason he sees value in it is because he has a love for the hobby and the build quality and the status. It's the same reason you go out and buy a Rolex or Breitling. If you've never had a Rolex on your wrist it's going to be pretty fucking hard to describe to you how it's going to feel. When you have someone who is collecting 2000 dollar custom knives it's pointless going on a mini KZfaq rant on what you perceive as overpriced because nobody values an opinion of somebody who has never personally handled or owned a piece like this.

@blairtaylor9552 7 жыл бұрын

You're absolutely correct. Flippers with ball bearings are just the latest fad for people who mostly value having a show toy, and are not concerned with having an actual working knife that will survive through much harder use. I'm a little tired of solid titanium too. And of frame locks. They're ugly- but they're cheaper and easier to manufacture than nice looking knives with liners and handle scales. I do love the clean lines of the Shirogorovs' though. My pick would be an: F3 liner lock, with G10 scales/titanium liners (prefer it over CF), oiled bronze washers, and S35VN or M390 steel. In the real world, should cost around $300-$350. But then, my Fantoni's have all the same stuff for around $225, and the machining is first rate. The handle scales aren't as nicely contoured, but you know what, I could easily do a little rounding off in an afternoon, and feel like I just saved myself $2000. Also MUCH more rewarding than anything off-the-shelf, no matter the material or manufacture! :-)

@MrLiamCooley 10 жыл бұрын

I think I got to handle a custom one at the show, at least it had timascus backspacer, pivots, pocketclip and screws. It was quite awesome.

@gktii 10 жыл бұрын

at blade show? the one i own now?

@Mosseri 10 жыл бұрын

***** You have one of the nicest Shiro's I've seen yet!

@MrLiamCooley 10 жыл бұрын

***** I keep saying at the show assuming everyone knows Ive only been to the USN show LOL. I think it was Adam Rothman's @adamrothman on instagram, though It might have been your if it was at that round table of awesomeness on Saturday night.

@JimSkeltonKnives 10 жыл бұрын

Gerry, Faisal and Adam have the same one. And yeah... it's damn epic. IF I could find one, I'd buy it in a flash.

@gktii 10 жыл бұрын

oh yeah...adam has the same one...i didn't bring that one with me to G6, so i was wondering how you handled it...lol

@UnitedStatesOfMoney 10 жыл бұрын

You really ordered that for 2K? You're insane Jim! Now I have to watch the video...

@plostyle786 9 жыл бұрын

Dear Mr. Skelton, I'm looking at a shirogorov and there are so many copies. How do i tell a real one from a copy? Any guidance is much appreciated.

@stoneybeek5257 8 жыл бұрын

The ones from China for $70 are the real ones.

@stoneybeek5257 8 жыл бұрын

+Aamir Khan :(

@stoneybeek5257 8 жыл бұрын

+Aamir Khan okay buddy. The clones generally won't have the srbs or mrbs or srrbs stamp on the inside. The symbol looks like a circle with dots or circle with lines (like a sun) also the steel marking. That's really about it. Aside from that the paper work and box and stuff. Don't think clones do that. You'll get a Chris reeve leather pouch or some shit.

@plostyle786 8 жыл бұрын

+Stoney Beek this was like no country for old men. when the main character played by Josh brolin goes back and gives the Mexican cartel guy some water in the truck.

@stoneybeek5257 8 жыл бұрын

+Aamir Khan have some water buddy. Also, on the bear logo that's engraved only, if you look at the Bears face, the right cheek is slightly bigger and the right eye will be slightly smaller. This is consistent with my 2 shiros and all pictures that I've seen.

@CTKTMRIDER 10 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir

@jimmyf1312 8 жыл бұрын

Does this one have he new quick-drop option Jim?

@JimSkeltonKnives 8 жыл бұрын

+jimmyf1312 Hahahahaaaaa

@justwanacoment 10 жыл бұрын

Jim would you ever discuss a good starting knife for someone looking to collect but without a ton of money?

@Pepsiaddicto 10 жыл бұрын

What is not a ton of money to you? $30, $100, $400, $1000?

@justwanacoment 10 жыл бұрын

100-200 I realize that's no much but I want to think outside ZT and Benchmade

@Tubz84 10 жыл бұрын

Take a look at Jim's "Revisiting PRACTICAL affordable knives" video found here: /watch?v=QiEps5JLr6w

@justwanacoment 10 жыл бұрын

I've seen that video and its good but I have A bunch of straight production knives and I'd like to get a more mid techish knife that isn't from somewhere everyone will know.

@fourevergreen2843 10 жыл бұрын

Check out Reate District 9 or Horizon. Three Sister's Forge Beast. Hogue. DPX Gear.

@Bischlarbo69 8 жыл бұрын

jesus, $2000+? i've defended sebenza guys before but this is just some first world nonsense at its finest. just listen to this guy

@TS-qg7bc 5 жыл бұрын

Bischlarbo69 true

@patrickdixon9897 10 жыл бұрын

Jim there is a tom anderson mother of pearl on hennie haynes .co.uk, it is the liner lock model.

@Itiachi1137 10 жыл бұрын

How cam anyone dislike this? SMFH! Great vid Jim with such an awesome knife.

@Zach_Lechevalier 8 жыл бұрын

Where does one purchase a knife like this?

@zoranp2 6 жыл бұрын

Recon1.com

@ryanikiman5213 9 жыл бұрын

Custom Shirogorov or Rockstead Shin?

@stoneybeek5257 8 жыл бұрын

Get the shun. Boom nigga!

@harleymgalleryknives6081 7 жыл бұрын

Still own this Jim?

@pelister66 9 жыл бұрын

17:14 Yes it does sound like you're closing the door on a Mercedes :-)

@aHigherPower 9 жыл бұрын

Oh I so want one of those. Must be nice to hold one. lol

@jamesccart 6 жыл бұрын

I dunno the price on these things are getting a bit silly . I'd get a cheaper knife and spend the money on a stereo

@experienceprecision5406 4 жыл бұрын

Man I thought I was cool when I got my PM2. If I had this I'd hire a camera guy to follow me around all day lol. "Sorry mam no pictures".

@captnaidy6122 9 жыл бұрын

I feel your love for the new knife, But (yes theres a but ), you traded in your other knife plus paying $$$ and you say thats better than spending $2000+ Haven't you in essence spent the same $$$? PEACE :-)

@inthemiddleof 9 жыл бұрын

Jim,you need to be more reserved in your praises. You seem to be equally impressed with most of the knives that you review. Words lose meaning when you overuse them. In my opinion, shirogorovs are grossly overpriced, it doesn't cost the same in Russia to run a business as it would in the US, but he charges more for his mid tech knives more than most American makers. Also their warranty only covers the original owner and is not transferred with the knife after resale. The quality and construction is not nearly as good as the cheaper sebenza or hinderer. Shirogorovs tend to fail often too.

@JimSkeltonKnives 9 жыл бұрын

I don't even know where to begin with this. Firstly, you clearly haven't watched my Frequently Asked Questions videos. This is a knife that I bought, after much deliberation... of course I like it. I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't. I very rarely end up receiving a knife that's less than I expected it to be. Should I start spending $2,000+ on things that I know beforehand that I will hate? Secondly, your assumption about the price is in error. They are not grossly overpriced by the maker. They are grossly overpriced by the one single North American distributor, thus affecting the secondary market. A $300 knife in Russia will be $850+ when bought in North America and anywhere from $1,000+$1500 on the secondary market. You are correct that the warranty is crap, but how many really buy based on warranty, or have ever had to rely on one? If you think a Sebenza can even hold a candle to a Custom Division... you have never held a Custom Division. If you're comparing a Sebby to a midtech Shiro, you're still off. Shiros had failure issues a couple of years ago, no more. Your info is severely outdated.

@inthemiddleof 9 жыл бұрын

Jim Skelton thanks for elaboration.

@philo2197 8 жыл бұрын

Blade and handle looks similar to the RASK

@TheStabbyCyclist 8 жыл бұрын

The Hati and F95 have been around quite a lot longer than the Grimsmo Rask, so the Rask looks similar to these not the other way around. It's not surprising though, John Grimsmo has been seen wearing a Shirogorov shirt so he clearly respects the company. Likely he drew some inspiration from them.

@RageForSeven 9 жыл бұрын

june 2015, the world has gone crazy : Shirogorov F3 on arizonablades : $2495....whhoooppssiiieee

@maxn.3546 8 жыл бұрын

Shirogorov visit the website and order the knives there. Buying from dealers you overpay several times.

@nikolaykukushkin 5 жыл бұрын

I'm really think of replacing my greenthorn F95 with cheapest Hati like kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f51zm85yqMyvpIk.html... I believe it won't be much worst in edc in comparison with custom division :)

@Fernando31ish 3 жыл бұрын

“Deep in the a$$” trademark by Jim Skelton, lol!!

@fiendslegacy 10 жыл бұрын

WTF??? $1800??? Shirogorov charges $250 for a Hati. I hate people.

@JimSkeltonKnives 10 жыл бұрын

In Russia, you can buy a midtech Hati (standard Hati) like I used to own (video was uploaded early last year) for about $250-$300. In the US they went for $550. Then due to one person whom I will not mention, the prices shot up to over $800. Thanks to that, the secondary market was pushed up to around $1200-$1500 for a Hati. Mod 95T goes for more. Again, those are the standard, Midtechs. The customs are of course far more expensive, but the quality and action are undeniably great.

@fiendslegacy 10 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is exactly what I meant, Jim.

@royce0518 8 жыл бұрын

he always likes to think his knives are "SPECIAL" I also have custom division with M390 and MRRBS Jim got ripped off

@JimSkeltonKnives 8 жыл бұрын

I love when people talk out of their ass. I never said this was a one-off or something unattainable. Rare, yes, but that is true for most custom division. And back when I got this, unless you lived in Russia, there was only one dealer to get them from... and he was hoarding them as well as jacking up the prices. Now over the last year, it's quite a bit easier to get them.

@royce0518 8 жыл бұрын

You just hate to be criticized don't you relax Jim have a drink 99.9 of your videos ar good Did you attempt today the same thing to the other guy who commented the same way ?

@jimmyf1312 8 жыл бұрын

MRRBS= multi row roller bearings system. No custom division model to date has that system. That's only on full customs. I call full of shit.

@RedAce666 9 жыл бұрын

One day, not far from now, the bubble around high-tech flippers will burst, people will realize, they are not worth nearly as much as they are selling for and the collectors won´t be happy. It´s an awesome blade, but not for the price of an OK used car...

@jimmyf1312 8 жыл бұрын

Damn son- if you think you can get an OK used car for 1000 bucks Jims videos are definitely not for you.

@6nosis 6 жыл бұрын

Martin Krejza still waiting bud...

@coleprivett4651 5 жыл бұрын

My customized zt drops better. Hmmmm

@gallozaacevedoeric 10 жыл бұрын

Definitely not worth it.

@hanf022 8 жыл бұрын

so much money for a knife, that's crazy there are a lot of clones out with the same quality, just a different steel, but quality is the same for just 80$ ^^

@JimSkeltonKnives 8 жыл бұрын

LMAO. Yeahhhhh. Same quality. Which is why Rolex stopped making watches, because the $100 knockoffs are the same quality. If you truly believe this, please don't watch my videos or comment here anymore.

@hanf022 8 жыл бұрын

+Jim Skelton there is a difference yeah, but it's not like heaven and hell. have you ever ordered one of the T95 Clones? They look the almost the same, expect the blade steel, but they have also ball bearings and they work ;-) Not everyone is a millionaire, so why are you so negative against that?

@JimSkeltonKnives 8 жыл бұрын

+hanf022 I don't care how much or how little someone spends on a knife. I don't make anyone feel bad for spending less, but I won't let people think that clones are just as good as the original. That's pure BS. There IS a world of difference, sorry if you don't see it. Also, I can't support people stealing designs from hard working knifemakers (who already have it rough... they won't be millionaires), and knock off their designs. It's bullshit and needs to stop. Everyone who buys a clone makes it harder for the real makers to make the real knives.