I just want to take the time to say that your channel is amazing. I grew tired of most video game channels on KZfaq, but you have something the vast majority of them don't : a true artistic mind. You always go deep into the games you play, your critics are spot on, it feels like you soak up every little detail those games have to offer. I often feel like people talk about games without actually having taken the time to truly understand their value. I deeply enjoy your work and just wanted to share some love !
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for such a thoughtful comment, it's appreciated. I checked out from general YT long ago for the same reason, as most seems so generic and surface level it feels the equivalent of junk food. And not good junk food at that. I am doing my best to be general enough to appeal to a broader audience and grow (not get super niche), yet dive deep enough into the games and add some sort of value and commentary. It's always a push/pull of how far I can go without getting too deep and alienating parts of the audience, while also making it meaningful. At the end of the day I am just enjoying the hobby and helping get more people into playing these awesome games. And it seems to be working so I'll keep at it long as I can.
@davidaitken85032 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie I concur with the above commenter and would like to add that it is immensely refreshing to watch your videos and realize, "hey, this guy actually took the time to play the games enough to understand their mechanics and controls". I was just watching a video by someone else and was screaming at the screen, "No! Hold up and press jump to swing up through the platforms on Bonks Revenge you dimwit!". I realize writing scripts and editing is time consuming, but at least take the time to learn how to play a game before you try to capture some footage people.
@MyBrothersKeeper1012 жыл бұрын
An all around outstanding presentation no matter how you approach it! I had absolutely no idea that an arcade beat em up could be so in-depth with the move set play control and mechanics. I've got some work to do finding these games 🤘
@Duomaxwell02M2 жыл бұрын
@Kevin Happe what you've said sums up in one word: passion. And Shmup Junkie has it in spades! Others would just list the top 10 shmups of a certain console. The Junkie is passionate enough to review all of them!
@paxhumana2015 Жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie , the PS2 actually had a pretty decent amount of shooters, among them, Contra: Shattered Soldier, Neo Contra, R-Type Final, Raiden III, Castle Shingami 1, Castle Shinigami 2, and tons and tons of arcade shooter ports, especially in Japan, and, more often than not, they were just as good, if not even, gasp, BETTER than their arcade counterparts.
@elbitxo59452 жыл бұрын
SideLine was lost for many years, it saw only a limited realease on Poland in the West, and only an obscure demo was out there until 10 years ago. The Spanish magazine Retromaniac talked about it in 2012, making the shmup community curious about that unknown awesome game. Even having only access to the demo, people were so enthusiastic about the game's quality, less than a year later Keitai's Neil Lei arranged an interview between the magazine team and the original lead dev of the game, Jimmy Hwang. He was surprised people loved the game so much, so he granted permission to play and emulate it for free instead taking the opportunity to commercially release it elsewhere. So, this game reached (god knows how) Spain on a bootleg CD in 1996, and was distributed hand to hand. The memories about that awesome unknown game demo were so strong, 15 years later one of the kids who played it back then wrote a passionate article about it, firing up the shmup community interest, leading to selfless people to find the whole game and reach the original developer, that was happy to allow the game being available again, this time for everyone to enjoy it fully for free. I really like this little story, it speaks great things about the shmup and retro gaming community. Here the original article (in Spanish, but auto translation will do): retromaniacmagazine.blogspot.com/2012/07/side-line-el-matamarcianos-perdido-para.html and the interview a year later: retromaniacmagazine.blogspot.com/2013/10/entrevistamos-en-exclusiva-jimmy-hwang.html
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful info, thank you. I only recently read about this and the history on a main page for the game. And I also linked a really good guide for the game in my description. It was too much detail to talk about in the video, but it has a fascinating history. I just really hope that highlighting it here like this brings yet more renewed interest in the game. It's easily accessible on the Free Shmups Wiki so as many people can easily play it as possible. And it certainly deserves it. The game is outstanding.
@eioneus2 жыл бұрын
In case anyone doesn’t find Riot or Guardians, I found them by these names: Kamniari Kishi Riot Guardians: Denji Makai II And by the way the first part (Denji Makai) is pretty awesome as well. Great video!! Thank you very much!! Keep up the good work.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. And thanks for the heads up on the names. I didn't have much trouble finding Guardians arcade, but RIOT can easily be heard to find with search results. So that's really helpful.
@RottenMuLoT Жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie like, the very first game you present. It got me real pumped but I couldn't find anything :D I assume you played on MAME?
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
@@RottenMuLoT Yes there’s really no other way unless you own the PCB.
@Wolfdragon925842 жыл бұрын
These are just the kind of games I grew up being addicted to!!! I still remember being 6 and my grandma taking me to a roller rink to teach me how to skate, only for me to get distracted by the giant Metal Slug and X-Men arcade monitors!!! Soooo awesome!!
@jonathan_f22 жыл бұрын
Watching your videos is like a flashback to my childhood while playing games in random arcades, smokey bowling alleys or at some random convenience store! Back then you really had to be good at the game, because you would line up your quarters on the arcade cabinet while waiting in line with other gamers. Honing your skills meant longer play time!
@masterkraft4746 Жыл бұрын
the Aliens game was insane. I used to play it with my two cousins when we walked back from school. Besides what you already said about it, it's also the music and the character walking and firing animation. I never forgot that character walking animation man. It has some kind of "groove" to it that makes moving around more dynamic and encompassing
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
I know exactly what you mean. And I'm stoked to have a PCB of it these days to play it that way versus on a PC only. Not likely but always wanted to see a home port of it one day.
@TransCanadaPhil Жыл бұрын
Yup, I remember it just having this cool vibe to it like you mentioned. I didn't think it was all that obscure. I remember playing it quite a lot at an arcade called "MagicLand" on Portage Ave in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada circa 1990-91 growing up.
@Jac2Mac Жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie There was actually going to be a Sega Genesis version of the Aliens arcade game back in the early 90s and it was probably going to be Konami's first Sega Genesis game ever.
@MyBrothersKeeper1012 жыл бұрын
Much like yourself I am a retro gamer at heart and anything with pixels I am immediately drawn to it. In my mid-40s now and collecting everything that I wanted and couldn't afford as a child finding such a fantastic comprehensive list like the one you've provided with this video like you said is like finding a pot of gold! Going to find at least 2/3 of the list and give them a try. A fantastic explanation of what the games have to offer with play control and mechanically. Possibly one of the best videos I've seen so far for retro gaming 🤘
@garrz322 жыл бұрын
Aliens is an absolute gem on arcade hardware, still a very affordable board to buy as well.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
I actually own that board! I sick grabbed it as I loved that old game in arcades and can now play it on my bigger screen using the Supergun.
@probe262 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie scanlines needed in your vids.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
@@probe26 I can’t do it. I used to all the time but KZfaq ruins it half the time and it ends up looking like an ugly mess. I wish I could as I’ve got a 5x pro and OSSC to make beautiful scanlines, but it they end up compressed for a lot of people. Bummer of quick access lower quality streaming.
@garrz322 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie Same here, it's amazing on my Egret II, great vid as usual man!
@ShmupsBR2 жыл бұрын
Manbow was the last game Konami did for the MSX, they went through some major internal changes after its release, it was a love letter to the fans and a farewell to the platform where they learned how to make games for a home audience. There would be no Konami on the famicom without the MSX era. The only thing I missed on your text was mentioning how big the MSX was in Brazil as well, since most of us had this platform years before the NES. So it's not wrong to say the MSX was the NES for a big part of the Brazilian audience.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're completely right about that... sorry for giving Brazil short shrift 😅. When I think MSX, I am always thinking Japan (obviously) and Europe, but really most of the developed world including South America had it. Why it couldn't make an impact in the US is beyond me, but we totally missed out. Manbow really feels like the typical 90s Konami shooter, everything about it. All the intangibles good and bad including the great music. Really miss that vibe they had which really can't be replicated again. I actually learned of Space Manbow late in life too maybe several years ago, and that's being a lover of all things Konami. If it wasn't for the Internet I may have never known it.
@ShmupsBR2 жыл бұрын
Another interesting fact about Manbow: It was supposed to be a MSX port of Thunder Cross. There are lots of similarities between the two games, but I honestly prefer Manbow. The reason why the MSX never made it to the US is a looooong story I can tell you and maybe a good subject for a future video.
@rafaellima832 жыл бұрын
Metal Gear 2, SD Snatcher and Quarth were released after Space Manbow. I don't know if they were "Ready" before Manbow, but they definitely were released later. Konami had an insane output on the MSX. While they did some good and some duds on the NES, I believe they made nearly as many games on the MSX as they did for the NES, but EVERY game they did on the MSX were golden. I can't think of a single bad MSX game from Konami. Even Contra which was totally botched port, I find it to be quite fun to play if you forget it's a Contra game.
@roberto15192 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie I'm Brazilian and I, my 3 older brothers and dozens of friends never, ever heard about the MSX even on magazines, the Master System was our second big console after the Atari 2600, while the NES was sold in numerous clones. So while Shmups BR makes it seem MSX was huge here, it was probably in his own circle, maybe region. Honestly, I don't feel we have missed anything as kids, we already had better alternatives, as far as price, games library and technical aspects go. This PC could barely play anything smoothly, all scrolling was jerky, even with its improvements over the years, unless the developer knew black magic programming skills. Golvellius, brought to the Master System from the MSX is better in every aspect, visuals, sound, scrolling and controls. I wish I had nostalgia for the MSX, I would have a different opinion, but it's indeed a mediocre machine for games, totally not designed for it. I remember watching a dedicated episode for this computer, it covered dozens of games and that was a pain to watch.
@dangunheadachron16032 жыл бұрын
@@rafaellima83 it was their last shooter on MSX though
@DjDizzy216 Жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up with the NES, Over Horizon blew me away. I had no idea it existed and am stunned TBH. Thanks for presenting it.
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Right?! I never played it as a kid either. Too obscure at the time I suppose. I’m glad you discovered it too through this. That and Crisis Force are two I loved once I finally got to play them.
@palaceofwisdom9448 Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine the time it took to make this video. What a roller coaster ride of emotions, from awe to disappointment that I never played them to wondering why they don't make 'em like this anymore.
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes it’s a lot of work but a great experience as I also get to discover new games myself. And in the grand scheme of things compared to those massive 3+ hour videos I’ve done for every mega drive and pc engine shooters reviewed, something under an hour like this almost feels like time off 🤣. Im really enjoying these longer form videos lately.
@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 Жыл бұрын
These games look badass I only ever saw Aliens the rest are new 2 me
@pinkueiga18672 жыл бұрын
Amazing to see the Alltynex trilogy getting some love. Giving how much you loved Eschatos and its use of set pieces, I need to say that Reflex is one of the greatest attempts on telling a story only through set pieces and the mechanics (that will change in the final part of the game), without using a single line of text. To have an entire video in the future dedicated to the trilogy, can be nuts. And also great picks for the MS-DOS and PC-98 section! 💟
@sgtsquank2 жыл бұрын
The breadth of your content and just how much you dig into things may not be for everyone, but for me they're damn near perfect. Really enjoy your channel and feel you do well standing out among the crowd that is retrogaming YT.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks I appreciate that. I really enjoy digging into them deeper than most without going overboard and losing people by getting overly tedious. It's a fine line to walk but I enjoy trying. I'm really happy with how this one came out and so far it's kicking some butt!
@RodrigoGarciaCarmona2 жыл бұрын
Before I played the video, I saw the title, and I though to myself: "I'm a very knowledgeable person about these kind of games, of course I'm going to know all of them. Yes, most people didn't played those, but not me." And then, I saw the video, and I was AMAZED. I only knew two of the games! So, hats off for this great video. I'm so happy to be able to discover new awesome games that I didn't know anything about... Keep up the good work!
@AlbertoMonroy-lq2vw4 ай бұрын
This channel has become my Jam, so full of quality and the commentary on these games is so deep, Shmup jumkie seems like such a cool and genuine guy and his love for gaming harkens to that feeling of the 90s and 2000s when people actually became surprised and stood in awe of new games. Congrats for this channel!.
@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM2 жыл бұрын
Wolf Fang on the Saturn runs absolutely 100% perfect, there is no slowdown at all. I can confirm having the offical disc playing on real hardware for many years. Even on the hardest difficulty, crazy enemies and bullets on screen it never wavers. I'm assuming this misinformation came from the old post on the Shmups forum? Sadly the game wasn't popular enough for someone to call that guy out on his claim. It's a great game though thank you for spotlighting it, and amazing video as always man! Thanks for all your hard work!!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thank you so much for pointing that out too, I'm glad you did. I don't own it on Saturn or PS1 and always emulated the arcade, so that's why I kind of prefaced it when I said it. As I honestly couldn't say myself not having played. I may be able to go back and edit that quick cut out of the video with the editor as I'm not a fan of spreading false info. So again, thanks for bringing that up. I'm glad to hear it, as it's not often a game runs a lot slower on Saturn. The main example that comes to mind is In the Hunt. I later learned the arcade version has built in slowdown too, so it could even be the PS1 port just runs faster than it should.
@ThoughtformsOfTheSubconsciousM2 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie Very true, and In the Hunt was clearly due to the boneheads at SIMS doing the Saturn conversion, while the much more talented Xing was responsible for the PS1 conversion. Also good point on the arcade having slowdown itself, maybe the PS1 port does run too fast then. Perhaps that's where the misinformation spawned from initially. Funny how things like that happen!
@Renegaiden_2 жыл бұрын
This is a strong lineup of bangers. There are some I've never heard of due to the platform they were made for, some that I have known about for a few years already and I'm glad to see you covering them (Siter Skain's Alltynex trilogy) and overall, is such a well made, in-depth video.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I really enjoy making these type of discovery videos and should do them more often.
@thepostman75392 жыл бұрын
Junike, chalk up another person excited to see Siter Skain games get a mention. I remember importing these from a contact who went to Comiket back in the day. SS's games really impress me and showed what a doujin game could really achieve. As an honorable mention, another doujin trilogy would be Twinkle Soft's lineup: Rally Raid, Excess Fraction, and Barrage Tribe. They are not quite as good as Siter Skain, but I'll bet most people haven't heard of them.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
I'm still discovering so many doujin shmups myself, so you can count me on that list. I'm going to check them out and maybe they can get a mention in a future video. I just hope I got to plug the Alltynex trilogy here in time while it was still on Steam sale. I wanted more people to grab all 3 games to enjoy.
@Zaxth2 жыл бұрын
You deserve more subscribers! This is top notch content for retro fans. Two thumbs up!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm growing fast and doing my best to keep it up. Want to spread the love of the older, arcade style games around. People are getting more and more tired of the aaa stuff and going back to these games. The great ones are just so replayable over the decades.
@TransCanadaPhil2 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie I'm just so glad that traditional 2D sprite based games are now back in style and so many good new ones are coming out these days too on platforms like Steam and itch.io. In retrospect it feels like there was a bit of a "lost generation" of gaming that we never really got in the west between the 16-bit consoles and the PSX/N64 era. After the 16-bit era it seems a huge rift opened up between the west and japan with gaming tastes. Unless you were really into the import Saturn scene, new high quality 32-bit 2D pixelart games (shmups, beat-em-ups) kind of disappeared to the western gamer for a long time. I really enjoyed the sort of high-octane 32-bit arcade 2D games of the early 90s like Aliens and was looking forward to that stuff coming out on the forthcoming consoles. Alas, gaming turned almost completely towards slower paced adventure based 3D polygon games and moved away from faster paced but shorter 2D arcade style-gaming. So we never really got a home version of a 32-bit colourful 2D console generation I had been salivating for in the west that would have emulated the experience of the various capcom and konami arcade games of the early 90s. Only now are we really getting that stuff like the new TMNT game, all these various shooters, the great new beat-em-ups, etc.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
@@TransCanadaPhil Sony may have played a part in that. They pushed the hell out of 3D and supported that direction quite vehemently. And since they dominated the market at the time I can see why. The N64 went all in with 3D as well so that’s what we got. I didn’t mind it but like many, really wished we got more of that gorgeous 2D style game we know that generation was capable. As opposed to the rudimentary (now kind of butt ugly) polygons that didn’t age well. It took multiple generations and advancements in hardware to reach parity with 2D artwork. At least on console. I tended to use my PC for games that really pushed the 3D envelope. And to run Crysis 😂
@gamerforever3654 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed 😎
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
@@gamerforever3654 Welcome to the channel 😁.
@muat11552 жыл бұрын
Four minutes in and I feel like I NEED to play RIOT like right now! Never heard or seen that game before. Great content Junkie.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah it's that kind of game. Just looking at it makes you want to jump in. That's why I started out with it. Hope you don't have any problems finding it.
@worsel5552 жыл бұрын
RIOT is a game I first saw LordBBH stream on his Twitch. It was pretty much agreed to that your main character is on some powerful psychedelics and is in reality dragging a mannequin through a Wendy's parking lot, yelling at random people and this is what's going on in his head.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Lol, dude, you mentioning the mannequin just made me think of a Netflix series we just watched called Umbrella Academy. I know, weird off topic but you gave me a flashback. At the least, whoever designed the game may have been on them.
@oldmanburly10 ай бұрын
It's rare in this age of easy-access informtation and self-promotion to find someone doing something new and real - actually delivering what's on the title. Amazing video. I learned a ton and had a great time watching this. Sideline and We Riot paricularly blew me away. Great too see BKRoo getting a shout out too! Good stuff as always!
@ShmupJunkie10 ай бұрын
Thanks! A lot of my viewers and subs are very well versed so I go out of my way to provide some really deep cuts and unknown games. A big part of it is having a great community and discord that pitches in for videos like this and helps with some great suggestions. I discover a lot of new myself along the way.
@DavidReyes-xm7vd Жыл бұрын
The aliens arcade cab is GODLIKE. I'd never played it until one of my best friends got an official arcade cab...IN HIS LIVING ROOM. we usually pregame concerts with drinks and playing this for like an hour. and hot damn THE SOUNDTRACK IS FIRE!!! i can (and do) listen to on repeat all the time
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
That's awesome... I'd love to play it on an original cab again just for the nostalgia factor. At least I have the PCB to use on my supergun, but not the same as the original beast.
@zZiL341yRj7362 жыл бұрын
I just imported a full roms set into Launchbox and trimmed it down to about 3000 games. This channel is the traveler's guide book.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Trimmed it down to 3000?! lol man when are we ever gonna have time to play them all. Truly a wealth of awesome that can keep us busy into retirement. My backlog is already bad enough. Really glad I can help you add some gems you may have missed with videos like this though. There are so many games it's hard to sift through them all.
@Adinan08032 жыл бұрын
I love these discovery videos! It's so fun to find games that were simply forgotten in gaming history but are still a blast to play! I'm really interested in the Tale of Alltynex pack on Steam, gonna grab right now to check them out :)
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
I love making these just as much, discovering games myself along the way too. One of my favorite subjects to tackle, so there will likely be similar. I hope that trilogy was still on sale and I wasn't too late with the video.
@destinyhero47952 жыл бұрын
10 minutes into the video and that's it. Subscribed. Epic list !
@wrena792 жыл бұрын
Finally Denjin Makai 2 gets some love thank you!! Had the PCB for years and have never been able to understand why no one ever talks about such a great beat-em-up. One of the very best imo.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
It was about damn time right? It was pretty random too, as I was watching the 1CC by Iconoclast the other day and just marveling how deep it is. And I just knew I had to include and feature it in the video.
@wrena792 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie absolutely time. Hopefully more people will find it and enjoy it now. The original Denjin Makai/ Ghost chaser was no slouch and got a solid port on the snes. Again same deal. One of the snes' better beat-em-up's and rarely gets a mention. Some great games on this and I'm only halfway!
@wrena792 жыл бұрын
Ok finished it and thank you for another incredible vid. Dead jealous of the LA Aliens trip. Aliens is tied with RoboCop as my number one favourite movie so would have loved to have seen those props. Still fortunate enough to have got the PCBs for both knocking around so now need to go get my supergun out and do exactly what you said!
@RewdanSprites2 жыл бұрын
It's always good to discover a game you missed back in the day only to discover it still holds it's own even in today's standards. Another awesome video by the way!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It's a big reason why I love making these videos... even for myself. As I also discover awesome new games in the process. So you can definitely count on plenty more.
@RewdanSprites2 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie Yes your passion definitely I think is a big reason your channel does so well! I am looking forward to seeing more shmup junkie! 🤣. I was also happy to see there was some games mentioned that I have enjoyed also like steel empire, altynex second, kamui etc.
@MarquisLeary34 Жыл бұрын
Denjin Makai! Always good to see a criminally underappreciated series get some love like that.
@MCHellshit Жыл бұрын
This might be the first youtube games list video where im actually going to download every single one of these games
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Lol. Well they are all pretty kick ass games. I tried. Just take your time and enjoy each one for a while. Discovering new games like this for myself and sharing it with everyone here is one of the best parts of making content.
@i_am_raph2 жыл бұрын
yes, being transported to outer space to fight a demon mafioso is EXACTLY what i expected
@QF_Dan722 жыл бұрын
SmashTV meets Pinball? That is something i never heard of and Nitroball looks like a fun arcade game. Thanks for your recommendation
@RockyVegaTV2 жыл бұрын
OMG GUARDIANS is absolutely INSANE!!! I came across that one recently and couldn't believe the gameplay. I've seen Rogha Armor Force and Aliens as well (also great games). The DOUJIN trilogy is on another level for shoot 'em ups, too. I WISH we could get a proper update for Kamui. It's CRAZY how good that came is and I can't for the life of me understand why it hasn't gotten updated yet. As usual introduced me to some other great ones and I'm loving it, man. Keep it coming!!!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
What are the main updates we're still waiting on with Kamui? I have it on Steam and it looks and plays great, so I'm kind of out of the loop. Was it supposed to get a remaster of some kind?
@RockyVegaTV2 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie Not to my knowledge. It just doesn't run in proper full screen and the scaling is limited to 800x600. I don't suppose you know how to fix that, do you? To my knowledge there's no patch for this. =[
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
@@RockyVegaTV Not on Steam I think because it’s locked down by the app most likely. I also own the original pc version which gives me a lot more flexibility to play with the resolution via third party apps. Though I haven’t really tried yet.
@roberto15192 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing about Sideline, I was just commenting on GameSack's D&D episode, in which they won't cover ANY PC version, as such games were mostly designed for PCs. The DOS and 9x era (Win95 up to XP) got so many unique, and up to this day, locked and exclusives to them, I feel the retro gaming community is being educated solely by console/handheld owners from that time, which is a shame, as the late 80's, 90's and early 00's hold games in all genres, just as great as Sideline. Like you said, a gem no one heard about. Honestly, nostalgia is getting less and less of an influence on this hobby, meaning what we call 'retro', it's mainly about the very subject of this video. Games from our time, we've mostly missed. As a side note, using DOSBox Pure is almost just as simple as loading a Genesis/SNES rom, as this Retroarch core can load the original DOS zipped files and execute them directly, gamepad mappings are also automatic, unless the user wants to customize it, so I believe this is a game that can be played on any handheld/smartphone, Switch, Xbox, PS, Windows, Linux, Mac etc, as long as the system has Retroarch installed.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, older 80s/90s PC gaming is very under represented in general. Maybe just less popular so videos don't focus on it as it won't get the views. But only a guess. I played a TON of PC games and was always tinkering and building my various versions. I honestly have forgotten so many games I used to play and wish I didn't, as they're gone forever from my memories and most online accounts. But I clearly recall playing almost all of my D&D and RPG type games on PC, it was simply a better platform for it. For whatever reason, Dosbox Pure gave me issues trying to run Sideline within Retroarch. It was crashing all over the place or cutting out audio etc. Not sure why as I know it works for the most part. But the easy download package from the wiki worked a champ right off the bat. I just had to use Joytokey externally to map my buttons. Maybe if this video helps make Sideline a little more popular someone will figure out how to make it work perfectly through Pure on Retroarch. Or maybe it was just me and my setup. Had no issues running it outside Retroarch though.
@roberto15192 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie I just tried a zip file from dosgamesarchive and the game didn't crash on DOSBox Pure, I executed the sndsetup.exe and got everything working fine, though I'm not sure if the scrolling could be smoother. I agree that older PC games are mostly uncovered, at least, as far as bigger channels go. But this is the way they lead the herd. Honestly, I don't think PC games are generic as most console fans tend to make it seem so, most of the time, PC versions were superior, specially when it was the target platform, there was a gap in the early 3D era, when the PS1 and Saturn were released, but as 3D cards started popping out from 96 onwards, it never looked back. I've tried the original Mortal Kombat for DOS some time ago, this version is basically the arcade port, specially in the visuals. No other port could touch it, funny how no one talks about it, it's superior, but it's a computer...
@michaelk8860 Жыл бұрын
Aliens, and Aliens vs Predator are two of my favorite of all time arcade games. LOVE THESE GAMES. SOOOOO much money poured into those machines.
@bobmiller77892 жыл бұрын
Great video Junkie. There was a ton of games in there that looked awesome and that I had no idea existed. Thanks this was very informative. Looks like I'll be hitting up mame on my old PC.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! And exactly why I love making these aside from just being great to discover new games myself too.
@Metushalakh2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic list, a gem filled with truly obscure titles, unlike many such videos. Personally, knew of all of them apart from SideLine and Riot and so thank you.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. And yes, Sideline was going to be a relative unknown for almost everybody and why I was so hot on including it. Such a killer game that's as obscure as they come.
@rickylovesyou Жыл бұрын
Bro, shmups for life! but you doing other genres is absolutely right up my alley. Awesome !
@GustlikRGZ2 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for some good DOS shmups to play on my old Win95 laptop and ended up finding lots of euro shmups and mediocre (at best...) arcade ports that are often barely playable because of busted controls, and then your video popped up just in time - thanks for letting me know about Sideline! This shmup looks just like it was taken straight from Sega Mega Drive, definitely gonna download this and put it on a CD to play on my old PC (which by the way does not have a USB port xD).
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
No kidding on Sideline. How does possibly the best shmup ever made for DOS end up this obscure and unknown. I hope you enjoy it. Even moreso, I hope the video helps spread the word on this great game.
@moroz19992 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! I'm a die-hard shmups fan from the times of ZX Spectrum, and every second of this review is a pleasure :)
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Welcome! Sorry for no ZX games this time but I was glad to at least include an MSX and PC98. We didn’t have any of these computers in the US so I have a lot to discover including the Spectrum. I’ve got a good few friends that are big fans of the system being from Europe.
@moroz19992 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie the best shmup for ZX is still R-Type conversion, but there has been a lot of other obscure and playable shooters as well, some of which are even original, not arcade conversions. Speccy is a hard platform for shmups since it doesn't have hardware scrolling nor sprites, but still there are some gems for the platform. Thanks for what you are doing!
@ultor7654 Жыл бұрын
Dear Sir, your channel is a gold mine. Thank you so much!
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome 👍🏻. I’m working on many more fun videos like this.
@ultor7654 Жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie Great news!
@Victor-mc1sz2 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I discovered Over Horizon because of its soundtrack and not the game itself via Legacy Music Hour. What a gem of a soundtrack. Its on my "to be played" playlist.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Any time I hear familiar NES type chip tunes I immediately get the feels. Something about the instrumentation/sounds used in Over Horizon does it for me and reminds me of other NES games, while being so good on it's own.
@Isteak802 жыл бұрын
I definitely have to give Sideline a try, even if it is probably going to kick my ass. Thanks for raising awareness of all these obscure games!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Just set it to Easy and learn the game first. Trust me, it won't be overly easy on that setting either. Use up some continues and have fun with it. It starts out very reasonable and you'll get farther than you think. Super cool game I hope many more people check it out.
@dingo535 Жыл бұрын
Man I’m so impressed by some of the visuals of these games, incredible!
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Nothing more beautiful than old school pixel art and sprites. Love the artistry that was involved in bringing the games to life.
@raideenkwan24752 жыл бұрын
RefleX is one my best favourite doujin shmup alongside with Hellsinker, Ether Vapor and Trouble Witches
@Rawhaki Жыл бұрын
Wow, you just found the beat 'em up that I've always dreamed of 🤯
@Dnobagav492 жыл бұрын
Thank you for ROIT alone... I'm not sure why more devs didn't push the hardware like they did with that game. Two thumbs up.
@unorthdoxcleric6953 Жыл бұрын
Bow Bow Bow, what a list. Never knew about Alltinex and it looks incredible plus Guardians blew me away.
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Stoked to hear it! And Alltynex trilogy is pretty cheap on Steam. Can’t go wrong with any of those three games.
@Cowboytoycollector10 ай бұрын
It’s crazy that all of these games from years ago are so high powered to this day ❤
@azymorath2 жыл бұрын
I've immediately fallen in love with Rohga/wolf fang, and Sideline. Please do more reviews, I love them. Thanks for this video.
@lennypena5587 Жыл бұрын
Your videos bring back all those nostalgic feelings from back in the day. I Always look forward to your videos to discover new games that have been out for a while to enjoy!! I want to salute you for your work, it is freakin' awesome!!! Thank you!!
@epicon62 жыл бұрын
This is why i spend more time on classic games than new games. There's so many awesome games to discover and classics to re-play
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
That and how incredibly replayable they are. I find myself playing older games again and again while not coming back to newer fare. I think they are having quite a resurgence in general as people tire of the same ol' modern games.
@leoash9707 Жыл бұрын
Great video man! Make this a series, where you show us underrated and hidden gems, keep doing the great work!
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yeah this one is doing really well so I’ve got another one planned already. I’ve got a great list of a dozen Run n Gun types that I definitely want to make a video for.
@leoash9707 Жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie try: Sengoku 3 Ninja baseball batman Gaia crusaders This 3 are some my favorite obscure hidden gems with ton of gameplay and enemies, you should try them!
@arronetchells43632 жыл бұрын
Some real gold in this selection and most I’ve never played! Roit looks a real hoot as does Guardians and Wolf Fang so I’ll be on those for sure. I’m a massive fan of Aliens and play that loads, real jealous you got to see the studio containing James Cameron directed props. Thanks for educating me on Nitro Ball as I’ve downloaded this on switch ready to be enjoyed!! Great video as always man. 💪
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome buddy, glad this one got some more games on your radar to check out. It was a dream visiting that studio and total luck. As it's invite only. We won some Alita sweepstakes before the movie released, and ended up getting to an early screening, as well as a tour of the facility. I have a ton of great photos from that day, it was something else. Cameron doesn't mess around. Everything is life size and engineered like it would actually function in real life.
@PM-xc8oo2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I usually roll my eyes at a lot of "hidden gem" type videos but there was some really great stuff here and with the exception of Aliens, I wasn't too familiar with these.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes, if I'm going to do something called You've Never Played I really mean it. I knew that some veterans or very well versed folks would still know most of them, as some are more obscure than others. But it was a good mix with 2-3 that are truly unknown by almost anyone. The important part is they aren't simply obscure but truly good games that deserve to be played. Aliens was definitely by far the most popular and kind of a crowd pleaser, but I wanted to get it in there as a game that never has and likely never will get a port, ever. So it's something people know but a lot never went out of their way to try emulating. Really glad you enjoyed it.
@PM-xc8oo2 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie Really appreciate your bringing attention to the really obscure ones here. Hopefully these will get a future release (the ones that haven't been) or even maybe I'll check these out on an emulator at some point.
@jszekerj2 жыл бұрын
Manbow is badass man, glad you mentioned it! One of my top 8bit soundtracks it's incredibly good. Good game too no doubt but not my top Konami. Another must watch video as always buddy I can't get enough watching these
@randy78942 жыл бұрын
This video I need to watch in multiple settings. Can't wait to download and play some RIOT.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Definitely. Savor each new game and play the ones that look coolest to you first.
@IAmStizzle Жыл бұрын
Bringing to light Over Horizon alone was worth the video.
@danmakuman2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always! I still need to play Sideline. I remember it wasn't as easy to run so I gave up back then but need to change that now. Wolf Fang is one of my favourite Data East games. Can get pretty hard in later stages but damn it's so awesome I bought the Saturn port some years ago. Thanks for showing some footage of my Kotsujin gameplay, I knew you'd love it, specially being a Toaplan and Tatsujin fan yourself.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah, I owe it to you for introducing me to the game. When it comes to MSX, let alone PC88/98 I'm a complete noob. We just didn't have these systems in the US at all growing up so I am slowly discovering the games. I definitely wanted to use your gameplay for it. I can see it's modeled more after Tatsujin Ou than the original, but it still feels like it's own game. Honestly, Ou has gameplay issues and Flame Zapper is likely the better game from that standpoint alone. It's actually playable for most haha.
@Galaxy40k2 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video duee. Riot, Guardian, and Wolf Fang all look AMAZING! Hoping that some of the games here get a port someday, although I'm not too hopeful sadly
@chriswhittome7231 Жыл бұрын
aliens one of the first game i played at the arcade when i moved to the city. love the game.
@michigan_616 Жыл бұрын
Solid list! Only played few of these on the list, so have games to dig up to try!
@TheT3rr0rMask2 жыл бұрын
Over Horizin and Flame Zapper look incredible. Another great video, got some new games to try out now
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah, they both are. Totally different games depending on what you're looking for, whether 8bit NES style or more modern Tatsujin Ou mix, but both are some of the best examples of their type.
@Myako Жыл бұрын
This was a tremendously entertaining video. I truly had not heard about some of these. Amazing work! 👏🏻👏🏻💪🏻💪🏻
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I really did mean to find games many wouldn’t have known. Some I even discovered myself while making this.
@Myako Жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie can you imagine how amazing a Saturn port of Sideline would be? Or even better, for the source code to be released and a source port to be made? 😍
@danieldussault2 жыл бұрын
just turned 38. i TOTALLY remember playing that Aliens arcade game whenever I could get my hands on it way back when!
@Spartan772 жыл бұрын
Action Wolf Fang should still be available for download on the PS3 store. Thank you for another top notch video El Adicto.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Someone else mentioned that too and I didn't know. At least for as long as that store stays open.
@Spartan772 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie It is still open for now and you have to add funds to your PS3 wallet on a PS4 account. Also available on there is Shienryu / Gekio Shooting King.
@themrnails2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing us RIOT and thank you for the rest of the list! ;p
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. RIOT is a game one would expect from Data East and not NMK, so it always stood out to me as an odd game for them. But they nailed it.
@soratheorangejuicemascot5809 Жыл бұрын
Alltynex trilogy are awesome!! I am glad that I bought them all instead of just one. All of them emphasize on proper handling of weapon to the point that it looks like you are juggling. Trying to pick which one I like the best is kinda tough though
@donaldrshay Жыл бұрын
Aliens takes me back. I probably spent 100s if not 1000s of dollars playing it. I loved that game and if I ever find a complete arcade cabinet it will become a fixture in my man cave.
@glenhayman8722 Жыл бұрын
love your content, you have revived my love for old school arcade fun
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I'm having such a good time making these and glad it's getting others playing them again too.
@Ashura962 жыл бұрын
I got to play Flame Zapper Kotsujin at a gaming convention in 2019. There was a room dedicated to obscure computers and this was on the PC-98 they had there.
@jacob-spring2 жыл бұрын
Love these kind of videos. Guardians looks awesome. I will be checking that one out.
@MrSez19792 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal Episode! I arrogantly thought I'd know of all these games... But 90% of them were a complete mystery to me! Can't wait to try the J-DOS PC shooter! Thx Shmup Junkie!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! When I say "You haven't played" I usually mean it haha. I know not all are super obscure, but I made sure to put some real rare ones in there. The kicker is they are all awesome! And not just random games that people don't know and kinda OK.
@BoilingKoolaid Жыл бұрын
I gwet to play so many of these classics on my AtGames Legends Ultimate arcade cabinet. I set up Coin Ops X and it has thousands of games from the past. It's so much fun!
@PXAbstraction2 жыл бұрын
OMG SIDELINE! I did a video of that a long time ago. I don't even remember how I heard about it at the time but it blew my damn mind. An absolute gem of a shmup. Someone needs to find who owns the rights to that and get it on modern systems so more people can easily play it. As for the rest of the list, I'm firing up my Legends Ultimate to try some of them right now! Great finds and a great video as always dude!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're one of the very few people that knew of Sideline. I know they officially made it free for all, so I doubt it'll ever release on other platforms now. Would love to see it given it;s so good. But seems someone like M2 or similar would have to take an interest, as porting it would be no small feat being a DOS game.
@hotrod1178 Жыл бұрын
I've spent about 3 hours trying to figure out dosbox to play this. Argh!!!!!
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
@@hotrod1178 Don’t waste all that precious time. Download it from the free shmup wiki. The package is ready to go and just works. Simply change the one line in the config file to the path where you installed it. And it just runs. Otherwise it’s a big pain in the ass
@hotrod1178 Жыл бұрын
Yeah...I did download that package. Couldn't get it to run. It's my fault....can't figure it out. I followed the instructions on their website too. Did you launch it from within dosbox?
@felixfranzen7318 Жыл бұрын
There's a lot of room in that RIOT helicopter! Also, the enemies coming at you in the chopper segment must be some bad ass soldiers as they apparently have the ability to parachute on to the top of a moving helicopter, avoid getting chopped up by the blades and then (somehow) enter through the roof.
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Oh fine ruin the magic why dontcha! 🤣 At some point I didn’t even think of those things because it’s the least unusual thing happening in the game.
@marcretro2 жыл бұрын
The best retro game channel reviews and its not even close high quality. Very informative and fun. Keep it up
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I definitely try to bring something different and unique. I’m doing this for fun and hobby so if I can’t have a good time with it there’s no point. I love discovering new games like this and can share that with everyone here.
@dexocube2 жыл бұрын
Jeez I've only played two of these games, the rest I hadn't even heard of. Great work bro
@Thinaran2 жыл бұрын
Well done, I've not heard of a single one of these … including the Aliens one. I always just focused on AvP and it was the main reason I set up MAME back in the day. I no longer have the equipment to play emulation though. Great vid.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome! I was hesitant on the Aliens pick at first because it really was popular then, but now I feel it's not well known enough. AvP does get all the press and that Aliens game is kind of forgotten, but it was so good. And the chance of it ever getting a port is likely much smaller than even AvP.
@Peter-zg3em Жыл бұрын
great video. i've never understood how anyone can beat those flying shoot em ups or not smash a controller.
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Thank you. They're no different than any arcade game meant to eat quarters. Just takes a lot of practice and repetition. The beat em ups are the same way unless you pump a ton of quarters into them. I just find them a ton of fun. But I've also been playing them from an early age.
@whosaidthat84 Жыл бұрын
I gotta say, this is the first "Games you've never seen" list that lived up to the hype. The only game I had actually played or heard of was Aliens. Well done! Btw, since you grew up in LA, did you ever visit the Galleria Mall in Sherman Oaks? I went there once as a kid and their arcade was insane! It felt like I was in Heaven.
@jbmaru2 жыл бұрын
Never heard about most of those games indeed, but they do look like ones I'd enjoy playing. Thanks!
@Iohannis4210 ай бұрын
Great presentation that also provides a brief review of each game.
@rauterraul98262 жыл бұрын
Another great video, I expected nothing less from You. Gracias amigou.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
De nada buddy, glad you enjoyed it. I love making them.
@shiningphantasy13932 жыл бұрын
Thank you for covering the trilogy of Siter Skain shooters as they really deserve the attention; I discovered these a few years ago on Steam and they really brought me back to the peak era of vertical shoot em ups. All are top-notch but I think that Reflex is my favorite of the three, or the one that I fire up the most. Those games have some sweet and well diversified bosses. With Riot I'm wondering if the developers were inspired by the dynamic action and scenery changes and sudden transitions within levels that Strider was known for. There is a hint of a Forgotten Worlds vibe present there too, even though the game-play is definitely its own thing.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
I would've loved to highlight Siter Skain even more or give them their own video, but I didn't want to pass up the chance to show them here to start. I still need to spend a lot more time with Kamui and Reflex as the whole trilogy is on the newer side for me. So once I have a good handle on all of them and played all 3 more extensively, it may be time to highlight each in more detail.
@shiningphantasy13932 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie Sounds like a good plan; they could also be included in a video about modern, indie digital distribution shooters if you want to go that route. That's a big undertaking though since there are so many of them now and of course not console specific. I have an overwhelming amount of shooters on Steam that I won't be able to get to anytime in the near future.
@johnnyroberts70932 жыл бұрын
Again.... thank you. I've got my week planned. Thanks junkie!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. I know there is an endless supply of games on our backlog to try, but it's great to discover some we never heard of before. I always do while making these.
@AdsOfSteelGaming2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as usual my dude! Gave me some cabinets/ roms to chase down
@elbitxo59452 жыл бұрын
Great video, like always. I thought I knew every cool MAME game out there, then you showed this crazy Riot game I completely miss. What a finding, thank you!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
You are the one person watching this video that knew about Sideline, but hadn't ever seen RIOT before haha. Yes, that game is pretty obscure too despite how cool it is. And not like NMK is an unknown developer. I'm glad even you were able to discover something new with this.
@elbitxo59452 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie yeah hahaha, I guess I saw the snapshot of the game at some point and didn't look like something special to me so, I skipped it completely. Boy was I wrong. I played it a little bit yesterday, and it's a blast, loved the over the top madness, and it plays quite well. I discovered SideLine years ago thanks to FranfikiYT, another shmup enthusiast, and was surprised by the story behind it.
@matthewlarson72077 ай бұрын
wow I've never heard of RIOT and I love nam. great list!
@nicktaylor80325 ай бұрын
Stumbled across guardians on MAME, and wow!! Brilliant!
@maxyliano2 жыл бұрын
These are my favorite types of videos, I had no idea the NES was capable of something like Over Horizon, for example. I hope you make more of these!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, the NES had some beautiful looking games toward the end. Many of them missed because people were moving on to the next gen. I'll even do an NES themed video one day as it's a very nostalgic console for me. You can bet I'll be doing more of these. I do have a very similar one planned focused on Run N Gun style games with the same theme of finding good ones many people never heard of.
@rafaelraad555 Жыл бұрын
That was an awesome episode!❤
@dryker70852 жыл бұрын
Another great video, Junkie! Even brought a few new games to my attention.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I love making these as I discover new games myself. A couple here I didn't know about either and was glad to play them for the first time.
@DeanoTube Жыл бұрын
Gunforce II or Gun Force 2 is an awesome game from Irem (1994) I just played. It's just so cool the artwork in this ace action shooter! Metal slug like but a little different
@ShmupJunkie Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah that game is super 🔥. I’m saving it for a follow up video I’m thinking about for obscure Run N Gun shooters. It’s not overly obscure but not well known enough either for how cool it is. I’m glad you found out about it.
@stonetic25152 жыл бұрын
Nice, I've played a ton of rare games on MAME and other emulators but haven't heard of a lot of these.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and love hearing that. I did try to include some really rare ones in here and from enough various platforms to give everyone something new to see.
@strika522 жыл бұрын
Great Video! I thought i knew games but ive never heard of any of these and i want to play them all! Subscribed!
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
Welcome! I’m glad you found me through this. And please do take your time and enjoy some of them. We are always overwhelmed by so many games these days we end up not really digging into any of them. But when you are ready I make a lot of videos that’ll help you discover more. Hope you enjoy those too. The one I made called Best Arcade Exclusives has some killer games too.
@strika522 жыл бұрын
@@ShmupJunkie thanks! I definitely will check out that video and i saw some others i want to watch.
@arcadedbeast2 жыл бұрын
I recommend Dogs of War on the Amiga! One of my favorite run and gun shooters of all time and it's even better with co-op. It has the coolest weapon select screen and the gameplay is addicting and the music is great and the sound effects are all kinds of awesome and it's challenging enough. The characters are obviously Stallone and Schwarzenegger and it's an interesting in co-op because the other can carry more grenades or a bazooka to blow up cars, bunkers and other obstacles and the other player can carry more ammo to blast enemies to bits. It's also on Atari ST but the Amiga version has higher quality sound.
@gamesgonenuts Жыл бұрын
so many great arcade games I now have to check out this was awesome smashing the like
@WMARUoriginal2 жыл бұрын
Wow so many new games I’ve never heard of the check out! The only ones I knew before this video was the Konami Aliens game and the Altynex trilogy which was on a Steam sale I think awhile ago.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
That's awesome to hear, please do enjoy them. Take your time. It's so easy to get overwhelmed with too many games. Making videos helps me focus on them one at a time and I enjoy them so much more for that reason.
@ShmupJunkie2 жыл бұрын
► Join my Patreon! - www.patreon.com/shmupjunkieslushfund Check out the CHAPTER LIST and see if you can guess what some of these games will be as you watch! CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Discover New Games 01:06 - We RIOT 04:34 - The BEST Beat Em Up You've Never Played 08:21 - Arcade MECHA Action Wolf Fang 13:41 - The BEST PC DOS Shoot Em Up EVER MADE! 19:11 - SmashTV meets PINBALL 21:57 - The BEST KONAMI Shooter You've Never Played 25:53 - The BEST NES Shooter You've Never Even Heard Of 29:04 - The BEST NEC PC-98 Shooter of all Time 32:20 - The KONAMI ALIENS Game that Disappeared 36:56 - The Best DOUJIN SHMUP Trilogy on PC 40:43 - But Wait! There's MORE