Now that's logical

So basically thanos in a way

The corrupt senator was Ratbat, who was punished by the Decepticons losing his humanoid form and forced to join them as one of Soundwave's cassettes.

@@Hektols Well yes, but i don`t think referring to Ratbat as "the corrupt senator" is the best way to put it, because most cybertronian senators were rather corrupt. (or at least assholes who did not give a shit about the rest of the population)

@@Hektols All of them were (Except Shockwave, until they preformed Shadowplay and Impurata on him, which is how he got his trademark cyclops eye.)

Actually, a lot of the earlier characters that died got Action Master toys.

That would be awesome right? Back in the day I penned a fan-fic that continued after the Rebirth where Shockwave returned.

I always prefered Galvatron but I always liked IDW's take on them being different people if I had a fanfic it could go Galvatron is created by Unicron to replace Megatron for his failure to destroy the matrix and the prime, he's much stronger than Megatron and Optimus but Galvatron's problem is he is derranged and cares little for the decepticon cause or those under his command so Shockwave and Soundwave would reconstruct Megatron a new body (if he was severely damaged in battle) or upgrade him and have him and Optimus team up to get rid of the greater threat to both the Autobots and Decepticons. Or if it continued for a bit further he could've killed Optimus but not destroyed the matrix and that's where Rodimus comes in and eventually in a final battle Rodimus and Megatron team up to end Unicron and Galvatron, they succeed but Megatron sacrafices himself to do it, ending the war

I abhor IDW's non Megatron Galvatron. I'm sorry. The original intent of the character is that he IS Megatron even if he acts differently.

RodimusPrimal A crazy, processor-damaged version of Megatron is still Megatron.

RodimusPrimal I'm a fan of the concept of them being 2 different characters however some of what IDW did with Galvatron I don't like his origin with Arcee I hated, but I would still have several links between them maybe not being directly said but Galvatron could be like Serpentor in a sense that Galvatron is every previous decepticon leader such as Megatron, The Fallen, Trannis, Deathsaurus and maybe even Unicron himself put in to one perfect leader and that would explain why he is mentally unstable because of the multiple minds being inside his head and since Megatron is still around Galvatron they would be noticeably alike.

Keegan Colby YEAH just ask Diamondbolt

Imagine if, for NO REASON, Hasbro made toys of them that could combine.

Keegan Colby no doubt

Yes

Unknown Legend YES

The only thing really stopping him is people who don't act based on logic. That's why characters like Prowl (also logical) can't realy crack every case. They assume people act based only on logic alone. We don't. Sometimes people experience feelings which guide their action and that is why autists like Shockwave can't really be leaders imo. They fail to understand the motivations of other people to be able to predict what they will do. When something isn't logical, it causes them to faulter because they don't understand other people properly. This is today referred to as "emotional intelligence" (yes I know it's a dumb term and I myself don't use it) and important for charismatic people who are leaders of large groups to control their followers. (politicians) Without any charisma nobody is going to follow you. That is why Megatron is superior because he has the logic too, but understand why Autobots fight to protect fleshlings out of heroic virtue. Shockwave probably just sees it as autobots wanting energon from humans to use against decepticons which is NOT true. (that is the bonus for helping other people - the government donates it to them for saving human lives) The truth is Optimus Prime actually loves other living beings and that is enough reason to sacrifice yourself to protect others. (knights virtues) Megatron knows that and often uses it to his advantage in hostage situations. But shockwave if he was leader would fail to see the reason to use human fleshling people that are worthless to him as part of a plan to control Optimus Prime. So although Shockwave can be quite scary, he is not sociopathic the way Megatron is to be able to manipulate people's emotions like politicians and get whole groups of people on his side while understand the weakness of heroic and virtuous people who act like knights that must follow a code. This is why the Joker in the Dark Knight was so interesting because he took advantage of Batman's "no killing" rule to piss him off so much. lol (knights have codes you see?) By understanding emotions and others you can win battles with less losses. Logical people who don't understand other people's motivations have a smaller playbook of plans to use. They will just look at everything as math. It's not how the world works. We have spiritual values, beliefs, and emotions and this is what seperates us from machines which just see the world a objects around us. It can be used to empower people (such as using anger to fight harder) or as a weakness (optimus prime sacrificing his own men to protect humans or going easy on megatron after he could have captured or killed him to end the war faster). Shockwave being ONLY logical is less capable as Megatron since Megatron has more "emotional intelligence" which lets him use political tactics to build strong army that looks up to powerful and charismatic leaders who also can instill fear to stop bullies from defying them. (bullies are cowards that only target people weaker than them) Strong leaders can police the local bully of the area and swoop in as a "hero" to bring order. You don't have this unless you are good at fighting and combat which Megatron is clearly superior at compared to all the decepticons around him. (he got good from fighting in gladiatorial arenas under quintesson rulers prior to the war) Without the local thugs have genuine fear/respect of the leader, you don't have order. Without order, you don't have stability. Without stability you get in-fighting and that only weakens the army and gives enemy an opportunity to take advantage of the chaos. So strength, charisma and intelligence (both emotional and war tactics) are needed as well as respect (Megatron is clearly stronger than all the other decepticons save for Devastor who is still not highly-skilled when combined due to bad co-ordination - but after megatron died in the 1986 movie Devastator quickly came in to declare himself the most worthy replacement due to low ranking and low intelligence decepticons favouring strength and brute power over other qualities) Shockwave if he ever fought Megatron wouldn't be as good at actual fighting since he is more of a scientist type. Similar to Tony Stark being good with tech but not being as skilled as Captain America in combat since Captain America is a soldier with warrior mindset. Shockwave may also lack power to kill megatron. Without power you can't beat someone in a fight only survive against them. For example you never see any car robot take on the dinobots in a one vs one duel accept for Optimus Prime who fights them in the cartoon. (Optimus Prime has high strength to actually beat a dinobot in one vs one fight) The dinobots only respect people who are stronger than them or at least on par with them. If Optimus Prime was weak the autobots may not have them as allies in battles since they respect only strong warriors. Shockwave being too nerdy to kill Megatron, means nobody in the ranks of the decepticons would listen to his orders unless they came from Megatron himself. Being weaker puts you lower in the pecking order in military since you don't have the power to pull off daring mission yourself. Tough guys don't take shit from nerds even if they are right. It's about respect. "Beat me in a fight then I will obey" is how many decepticons probably think. That is how Megatron got control of them probably because they tried to kill him and lost the fight and the proof of his power is in how he can beat you in combat. This is why Starscream always addresses him as "Mighty Megatron" to stroke his ego so he has his guard down. He knows megatron prides himself on being the best pure warrior in the group. If you want respect: beat megatron in one vs one then you get to replace him as leader.

Soundwave:most inferior

You opinion is most logical

You opinion is most logical

personally I would like to think he was crushed by Unicron. It would even up the death count between autobots and decepticons a little.

I like the idea that Unicron crushed the tower but he survived, maybe presumed dead wen’t underground? I mean he wasn’t present on char. Maybe, he chose to fully follow logic and pursue a more secretive agenda.

@@skullgrinsreviews6829 I prefer that he died there. We need a greater Decpeticon body count.

You don’t have to believe it ....in fact you should believe whatever makes you sleep well but reality is Shockwave was killed towards the end of the 1986 film by Unicron hand. It’s in the freakin movie script FFS

@@eastcoastshine2009 it was cut, therefore isn't canon. www.google.com/search?safe=active&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS819US819&ei=Tfd6XJG9Aqi_jwTPkLrgAQ&q=is+something+cut+from+script+non+canon&oq=is+something+cut+from+script+non+canon&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160.8561.13280..13536...0.0..0.143.4114.12j26......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0j0i131j0i67j0i3j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i299.6Bf_XRhJ9BM so many references to this. The irony of using the word reality...

I also started with Tfp, and i loved Shockwave from his first scene. He shoukd've showed up more. Well, technically i started with Armada, but i was _very_ little back then and i _still_ haven't seen all the episodes. I used to have toys of Armada Megatron and somebody else, but my brother broke them and mom took them and threw them away by force because she had something against fixing things.

I actually did 5 of them. Who Became Cyclonus, Skyfire/Jetfire, Shockwave, Dion, and Ultra Magnus. Glad you enjoy them.

I agree.

Yeah I hate it

Same here it was basically just I've realized what I've done wrong, but fuck it I like being a cunt

Didn't expect to find another biotuber here, and I agree, they ruined his character

Perhaps that maybe they were trying to make him like his Transtech counterpart morally ambiguous. Lets find one of the writers and find out.

Love how he starts off as a megatron rip off

😂😂... I thought I was the only one that bought that cheap radio shack shockwave.... I totally forgot all about it until the narrator mentioned it in this video.... unfortunately I was late buying transformers and I was living in a small town where the toys were scarce...we didn't get a toys r us until after I graduated which of course I was done with toys.....but I do remember buying a real Shockwave about a year after that cheap radio shack one got busted up

If we're talking about the original Marvel Comics one, then yeah

Also "Transformers Prime" version.

​@@mwizachihana9551 and the Fall Of Cybertron one.

Still getting the house ready for the big move. It's stressful trying to get it all done in addition to working on these videos. Thanks for the support.

Man hang in there, know exactly what your going through, doing it now as well..My mom died, left us her house, Well it's lots easier to do some things before you move in, floors,painting,general remodeling etc. Know you'renot alone..we are about 2 months out..Good luck!

Danny Vestal very sorry for your loss! :( Hope your move & remodel stays smooth too!

RodimusPrimal Your dedication to us TF junkies is very much appreciated.

Thanks! This was a worthwhile update to the original version.

Shockwave is one of mine too, along with Megatron. I just wished as a child that they were both a similar size.

Shockwave: It's only Logical that I'm your favorite.

Mines Too

I know right, it was so dissapointing

I choose to think of the movie version as Shockblasted the Drillbeast Tamer.

I agree. Dotm shockwave was hyped up and then did literally nothing except be disappointing.

Straight Busta and then I’m pretty sure that shot missed.

@@deepfry4173 Only good thing about DoTM Shockwave is that he had one of the best toys in the entire dotm line.

It actually has to do with the beginning of the war. Megatron wanted to stop the caste system. When cybertronian's are brought online, their given a job for life. Even if it's a garbage job and your better suited for something else, too bad, your a digger. Megatron wanted to end this, so he became a gladiator, and a damn good one. Eventually he had the minds of the people, especially the lower classes, and created the Deceptions to rise up and fight the wealthy and lazy classes they were toiling away for. And you guessed it, the higher caste were mostly the Autobots, as they dubbed themselves when the war began. Well needless to say, the deceptions were winning the war, forcing the Autobots off world, but to answer your question completely, Megatron ALWAYS, put Cybertron itself ahead of everything, at first anyway. And while he still does, his aspirations became tyrannical after a time, but by then they were already so loyal to Megatron that it would take a complete betrayal of their beliefs to change them, but Megatron truly liked both Soundwave and Shockwave as they were super loyal, super useful and super dependable. Hope this (short) explanation helps. I recommend checking out the IDW comics, and other media, TF Prime is also good for the Aligned continuity, which is the best storyline imo, and alot of TF fans. Have fun, it's a rabbit hole lol, but an awesome ride.

Thanks!

Thanks!

Thanks! The original had a a lot of audio flubs, wrong aspect ratio on video clips, and needed expansion. This is actually twice as long as the original.

When I read it I was very much annoyed too.

Yes I mean after his redemption in Dark Cybertron why the hell IDW ruined him that way?, he had finally acepted his sins and just that, they destroy their entire story of the Primes

Javier Santana Avilés at least idw did a good job in other comics

Honestly..... I think since he was at the beginning.... they wanted him and Bumblebee to be there at the end.... plus they made him morally ambiguous.... like in transtech... also it also kind of made Diamond Bolt's dream about him coming back and becoming a prime a reality... so i feel indifferent about it but let me know what do you think about it OK good.

To be honest Dark Cybertron end in aperfect way, reshaping the very Transformers mithos forever, villains redeem themselves and changes their ways, so the very fact that Shockwave became a villain just because IDW could´n make a true villain of Onyx Prime simply ruin everything, all for what Shockwave had passed mean nothing, and for what?

Yeah!

I really miss those aisles of nothing but cool Transformers that I used to see back then. Back when it wasn't so hard to find the Transformers toys that you wanted.

It does. It's currently unlisted but it's there.

But he did he literally told all the decepticons on cybertron to attack unicron in the movie. And may i remind you that shockwave is the guardian of cybertron