Thank you HH! I have tried the green Fiocchi shells ...modified with cast bullets. Worked well. Brass would be even better thanks for the reminder. All the best for Christmas and 2023!

magtec makes 24guage shells.... they're a pain to make BUT the shells last awhile. it's a good black powder round.

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I saw couple of videos about re-forming brass for this rifle. Maybe capandball or iraqveteran had one on his channel, but it could be for another round as well. Anyway there are some videos with very detailed step-by-step description of the process. I wonder if someone (i.e. some Italian manufacture) will make replica's of these rifles. They make some some strange revolvers than are known to some enthusiasts but not purely classic rifle?

@@mungo7136 British mussel loader, Canadian chap has videos on making ammo fot M-H.

@@hstwodrainage.1410 It's not a "mussel loader"!!

303? It’s pretty common

@Leper Feast he could be referring to the Snider-Enfield rifles, which are also in the .577 Snider cartridge.

@@samsadowitz1724 ok that’s what I originally thought. I was like i hope he knows s&w sell 303

Yep that they do

Yeah lot of Martini rifles still being used in Australia, Bertram usually has brass

Unique munitions, another Australian manufacturer, also does loaded .577/450 ammunition. Its definitely not cheap, but it works.

I've pulled off of Hwy 11 a number of times to check out Epps place! Top notch!!

@@aynjeleyes Also, Henry Krank in England stocks them

Was never a sporter but was issued to artillery units.

@@billiemon I figured it was a spotter due to the fancy wood, but military rifle manufacturers of the old days don't actually seem to have been too picky about stock blank quality. I have a Hungarian made Manlicher 1888/95 that's stocked in the most beautiful tiger stripe walnut that I've personally ever seen. The blank they made that stock from would probably sell for at least $1k these days

Hi Mark! Those are great! I have a small collection of them. I'll make a video. Thank for suggesting!

Have one in 22 mag

The only one I have seen I'd the 22 magnum , but they are excellent

Ithaca made a amazing 12 gauge auto

They made one that was also a tube feed repeater in 22lr also. Pot metal recievers didnt hold up the best but the barrels were great and very accurate

This 577/450 is a wonderful big game hunting cartridge, and making the paper patched rounds with modern reproduction brass is a lot of fun and very rewarding, when you "roll your own" and bring home the bacon

Actually, the US tests of .577-450 Martini-Henry happened after .45-70 was invented, and was done to compare the two. Incidentally, the .577-450 cartridge also has "foraging shells", basically shotgun shells loaded with buckshot or birdshot that soldiers could use in their rifles to hunt for wild game, as well as incendiary/explosive shells used as "balloon busters" in WW1, blank cartridges used to fire harpoons in whale guns or grenade launchers, etc. The Martini-Henry is not only one of the few firearms to see service on all seven continents at one point or another, the running joke is that if it walks, crawls, flies, or swims, it's probably been shot with a Martini at some point.

@@Swindle1984 If I remember correctly a Martini Whale Gun was used in the movie JAWS.

@@jrvgwagner Correct. Ian from Forgotten Weapons even did a video on one, I believe. The Greener GP shotgun is also a Martini, but chambered for shotgun ammunition. There were even pistols built on the action.

Huzzah!

Okay Tommy 😃

Great thoughts Ibauer51. The lead bullets of the 45 Colt are the ticket for engaging the rifling - but the saucier rounds with lead bullets should be even better. My best to you.

Thank you Paul - I'm still hanging on. I wish you only the best for 2023 and Christmas!

Interesting. I was going to ask what a .577/450 would be used for.

@@MDR-hn2yz Its "designed purpose" was obviously to shoot enemies of the British Empire🤣 There was one battle between the Brits and Zulus where the Martini Henry rifles became so hot, it would explode cartridges that were not fired immediately after loading. During the Second Anglo-Boer war, the English were using the Lee-Metford/Enfield. 303, and the Boer forces (a civilian militia😉) used Mauser 7x57, and some Martini Henrys as well. And a variety of captured and sporting rifles. The .577/450 was obviously used a lot for hunting. Before internet (😊) people used what they had, or what worked. The "fancy" express rifles were so far out of budget and unknown, that very few pioneers used them.

You might look into some 32 pistol cartridges to correct the bullet diameter issue as they are the same .312” as 7.62x54R. 32 S&W Long out of a pistol is about 750 fps. I suspect the long barrel of a Mosin-Nagant would probably slow it down even more. 32 NAA is a necked down .380 case at 1000 fps with a 71 gr bullet. Dang it. Now you got me thinking about another project to tinker around with while I have tons of unfinished projects all over the house. Merry Christmas. I hope your happy. 😂. For easier case removal put a small o ring groove in the outside diameter of the insert to hold it in place in the chamber and maybe cut out a place for the extractor to catch the shell. If that does not work cut a place to pry the shell out of the insert. O ring will keep the insert from rotating so it lines up shot after shot with extractor. My mind is racing. Its 3:22 a.m. Christmas Eve and 10 freakin degrees in Alabama and I got frozen water pipes already but my mind is playing with guns. Maybe buy a spare bolt assembly from Gunparts and make a special extractor for whatever you end up using. If you read this far thanks for whatever. Happy New Year.

@@martinswiney2192 Hi Martin. That definitely would work as my nagant is way overbore and does not shoot well with 310 but 312 are fine. I like the idea of the o ring on the chamber insert. My friend made my nagant insert years ago out of a really hard steel and he said it was a quite a tricky job to get the taper identical to a fired nagant case. It is warm here 30 Celsius +, No freezing pipes. Merry Xmas Aussie Dave

@@OffTheGridAdventures i used the same o ring technique to make a 38 Special chamber/barrel insert for a single shot breach load 12 gauge shotgun. It worked but was not practical really.

@@martinswiney2192 Yes. They go bang but not much good for practical hunting.

I made subsonic loads for a Mosin with a 220 grain cast bullet and 10-12 grains of a pistol powder like H110 or 1680.

I have an old Martini Henry Gahendra (And it has another half dozen names), Ha Ha!... But anyhow, it is chambered in 477/550... I'll occasionally use an adapter for 45 Colt... Not cheap either now a days, but a shade more economical than the old Kynoch Rounds if you can find them... I guess the best way would be to make the rounds, but thats a pain in the neck to do... I have a Carbine Version of a Peabody, Providence Tool Co, Martini Henry that's chambered in 45/70... Also fun to shoot!

@@jasonbuck489: what is the weight of the bullet and velocity of your 45/70 round? And is it a factory or your own load? The .45 Colt can be loaded up faster than most are taught to believe. My Baby Rolling Block puts out a 300 grain lead gas checked semi wad cutter at 1500 FPS with 1500l FPE. And I’m curious how that might compare with the old 45/70 black powder loads. Any idea yourself? JWCl

@@jayclark2077 Well, the last loading I did I used 34 Grains of the Red IMR 3031, CCI Primer, and topped it off with a standard Hard Cast 405 Grain Semi Wadcutter... I also have a Springfield Trapdoor Carbine that absolutely favors that loading..... It's a good load for older rifles... I don't like to get too awfully carried away, ya know?.... I've seen guys shoot some pretty hot, ugly rounds out of original Winchester 1886's and the occasional Trapdoor.... They're crazy... That's just a good way to blow your fingers and face off... Maybe lose your life...

@@jayclark2077 Oh, and I forgot to say... I don't have a Chronograph anymore... I used to, it's a long story... Haha... Anyhow, I would imagine they are probably cruising along at around 1,200-1,300 fps.... Somewhere in that neighborhood... If I recall correctly, a Black Powder Load of 70 Grains will get ya what, like maybe 1,000-1,200 fps .... So, you're in the same ball park.... I hope that helps....

Hi Karl...I couldn't have passed it 😂

By the way, you can find these .45 Colt/.577-450 Martini-Henry adapters in a lot of places, including eBay. They're nifty when you don't care much about precision or range/power and just want to plink for the fun of it. I'm considering getting a Mahendra Martini and having it converted to .45-70, if I can ever find a decent gunsmith to do the work. Or perhaps finding an authentic Martini-Henry with a worn out barrel and converting it to .450 Nitro Express. The action can handle the pressure, though I'm leery of the metallurgy of the Mahendras and would stick to black powder load pressures in those guns.

Thank you John!

And that in effect we are 2 different gun markets with some things available to you that we can't get / never imported and vice versa.

That's perfect!

a big, slow chunk of lead and a small, fast chunk of lead have basically the same energy transfer

@@bb5242 But one is highly illegal unless you have NFA paperwork, at least in the US.

@@jakegarrett8109 what are talking about? You can walk into a sporting goods store and buy that stuff pr order it from an online vendor. As long as you're over 18 you can purchase ammo or the materials to build it.

@@cheesepuff7814 I can also tie my shoe laces in under 20 seconds (10 year federal prison sentence, just the shoelaces with 1 or 2 loops), or I could bend up a coat hanger in under 5 minutes. However, its all highly NFA regulated. Doesn't mean it stops anyone, just like Molotov's are illegal unless you pay tax stamps (even though the alcohol was already taxed by that agency, which has no elected representatives and they are taxing beverages like the British).

@@jakegarrett8109 ok but here in America that is the law. You have to be 18 to purchase. There isn't a law here in the states that says anyone under 18 can't manufacture their own munitions.

Thanks Jeremy - so far so good. One could always wax the chamber as a release agent and epoxy skim coat the insert for a perfect fit. I've done that wort of things a few times - works perfectly. All the best.

Thank you for being here Keith and taking the time to comment. All the best for 2023!

the one i found shoots MOA at 100yrds....

You're most welcome. I'm glad it works for you. I shoot mine regularly now - thanks to the insert.

Thanks for being here : ) and all the best for 2023!

Merry Christmas Jamie!

I shoot my .439 Spanish Argentine RRB with reloaded cartidges from available repro brass, cast bullets from a Lee mold, and Lee reloading Dies. The action will handle BP or correct smokeless low pressure loads.

@@robertrobert7924 Rolling block actions are very strong, some of the strongest out there. I do find it odd though that it is so difficult to find commercial ammo for the caliber.

@@3ducs The demand for obsolete ammo is so minimal that only a few specialty companies may still load for it and the cost is so prohibative that no one I know would even buy it. Would you pay $120 for 20 rounds of .43 Spanish?

@@robertrobert7924 You are right about that!

Hi Reid - I hope you and I both get one of those! All the best for 2023 to you!

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns thanks so much for all you do with your channel. I look forward to every new video! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Try to stay warm up there!

Do they chamber one in that round? Last time I looked they did make one in 30-40 Krag.

@@ragnarragnarsson3128 the Damko customer service people are really great at responding to inquiries by email, and the word is that they'll make a rifle for any rimmed cartridge. 7.62x54r is on the drop down list.

@@Arkeo36 you are correct! They must have added that recently. I don't remember seeing it there before.