Shooting a Pedersoli Brown Bess Musket with Paper Cartridges

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duelist1954

duelist1954

Күн бұрын

In this video I’ll take the Pedersoli Second Model Brown Bess out to the range, and I’ll shoot it with military-style paper cartridges.
This gun is manufactured in Italy by Davide Pedersoli
www.davide-pedersoli.com/guns...
They are represented here in the USA. by the Italian Firearms Group
www.italianfirearmsgroup.com/
I bought this gun at Midway USA
www.midwayusa.com/

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@TeamLotus6365
@TeamLotus6365 3 жыл бұрын
For some reason, the Italians love to take the beautiful wood of these muskets and make it look cheap. I stripped mine, stained it with Chestnut Ridge Walnut Stain (has red in it), then put on 10 coats of Tried and True Varnish Oil (Ken Gahagan’s fav). MUCH improved.
@6Sally5
@6Sally5 3 жыл бұрын
With ammo shortages including bp components such as combustion caps, it seems a flintlock might be a weapon of choice these days!
@k9BroneknMark
@k9BroneknMark 3 жыл бұрын
There ya go, black powder AR15 RIGHT? NA I want an Ingrown mk10 or mk11 Shoots. Mark from Oahu Said That! Aloha&Shaka I'm out...
@k9BroneknMark
@k9BroneknMark 3 жыл бұрын
That's Ingrem
@billmelater6470
@billmelater6470 3 жыл бұрын
You can make your own caps. But yeah, the shortages have only given me another reason to get a flinter.
@Shadowmourne07
@Shadowmourne07 2 жыл бұрын
Be sure to get your flints.
@werekorden
@werekorden Жыл бұрын
Oh what a time it was when ammo was cheap two years ago, nowadays prices are high thanks to the little sicko in Russia.
@danliberty734
@danliberty734 3 жыл бұрын
Dave Canterbury uses sheared wool as his wadding for muzzle loading shotguns. It is pre-lubed with lanolin and fireproof. I don’t know how historically accurate that style is, but it makes sense in an agrarian area.
@joelerk6298
@joelerk6298 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. A great mix of history and shooting
@santerinurminen7909
@santerinurminen7909 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video as always. I will be looking forward to future videos. It's really nice to see people actually test the accuracy of smoothbore firearms rather than hearing them speculate about it.
@dennisskurnack1740
@dennisskurnack1740 3 жыл бұрын
Your accuracy with a loose .69 cal. ball and paper cartridge is better than I would expect. My Brown Bess with .735 cal ball, 80-95 gr 2F, and pillow ticking patch shoots a little better at 25 yards
@cal9064
@cal9064 3 жыл бұрын
I ran into some of the same problems you encountered, with my Pedersoli Bess. These were easily cured by having my gunsmith drill out the touch hole and replace it with a threaded liner. Not period correct,...but more practical. Since I purchased it primarily as a hunting firearm. At the same time, he polished the bore and reworked the sear to a more manageable 5 pound trigger pull. It loads very easily now, even after multiple shots. As you mentioned in the video, an 11-gauge card wad is about perfect to seal the bore. By the way, the Bess makes a pretty versatile hunting weapon. When loaded with ball, it is easily capable of harvesting deer-sized game out to around 50 yards(With careful and steady aiming). When loaded with shot, it also works very well on rabbit and other small game. Best of all.....the Bess is a lot of fun to shoot! Cal
@jayclark7237
@jayclark7237 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, as always. It sounds as though you have your remedial steps in proper order: first polish the bore; second, polish or adjust sear engagement surfaces; finally, move the flash hole only if necessary. I would love to watch you perform those operations.
@TripleAAA53
@TripleAAA53 2 жыл бұрын
That melon shot was the best Mike !!
@loud6931
@loud6931 3 жыл бұрын
You're a good off-hand shooter but I'd like to see a maximum-effective-range evaluation using a bench rest. As always, educational and entertaining. Well done Sir!!
@davidschaadt5929
@davidschaadt5929 3 жыл бұрын
Around 1989 I had a brown Bess and a charleville both made by miroku they were both nice and I fired them quite a bit .but I traded them off ,and in 2016 I got a pedersoli brown Bess ,which I haven't fired yet . But I have nothing but fond memories of fireing those guns out in the snow ,it was real special .!!
@davidschaadt5929
@davidschaadt5929 3 жыл бұрын
And I had close to 100 percent ignithio with those guns so I wouldn't mess with the touch hole if it's working good . I did have another gun with a screw in vent that I slightly enlarged it . I had spares .and it was greatly improved after that .I really enjoy your programs !!!!
@ag111ga
@ag111ga 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another excellent video. Mike, if you ever decide to modify the gun, do yourself a favor and remove the brown grain sealer and finish from the stock, there is probably a beautiful walnut under it. Just strip the finish chemically and finish with the oil of your choice, I usually use pure tung oil, because I like the matt finish but tru-oil will work as well. I've done a few of the Ubertis and Pedersolis and they turned out great.
@osbornephoto1955
@osbornephoto1955 3 жыл бұрын
What would you use to strip it?
@ag111ga
@ag111ga 3 жыл бұрын
@@osbornephoto1955 I use Liberon Fine Wood Stripper but any chemical stripper for wood will do. 3 or 4 applications may be needed, just don't let it dry on the stock, use PLASTIC scrapers and plastic brush on checkering, rinse well when you're done, let it dry and apply the oil.
@alexcarter2461
@alexcarter2461 Жыл бұрын
I also have the same musket, love it to bits! It's my absolute crowning jewel and baby.
@johnnavarro8602
@johnnavarro8602 3 жыл бұрын
The Bess was a volley fire weapon meant to be fired by a line of troops into an opposing line of troops . Soldiers were taught to jerk the tigger on command as one sending a mass of lead into the enemy all at once it was the weight of fire not accuracy that made the Bess such a devastating weapon. So a light trigger was not required for the British Army doctrine of the time since the Bess’s accuracy seriously dropped off after about 60 yards.
@35southkiwi16
@35southkiwi16 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like your right me. Accuracy by volume seems to have been the order of the day for british forces.
@CrimeVid
@CrimeVid 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the way Europeans fought at the time, mass against mass
@bbtfan7957
@bbtfan7957 5 ай бұрын
​@@CrimeVidIt's also the way theajority of American soldiers fought from the Revolution to the Civil War-with adaptions of tactics from time to time.
@stevebuckskinner5482
@stevebuckskinner5482 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding Mike!!
@jeffe.9904
@jeffe.9904 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike! Another very informative & well orchestrated video.
@redsky8509
@redsky8509 3 жыл бұрын
I am as always grateful for your videos.
@West_Coast_Gang
@West_Coast_Gang 2 жыл бұрын
YES
@threeoeightwadcutter2820
@threeoeightwadcutter2820 3 жыл бұрын
Nice shots. Thanks for sharing
@borkwoof696
@borkwoof696 3 жыл бұрын
That looks like a lot of fun!
@roryhertzog5282
@roryhertzog5282 3 жыл бұрын
I learned something today. Thank you.
@k9BroneknMark
@k9BroneknMark 3 жыл бұрын
Looks fun and nice castume buddy Good job 👍👍👍
@NHPJUNE
@NHPJUNE 3 жыл бұрын
What a great video, my kind of firearm! Your a gem mike thank you for sharing. I always learn something while watching your videos.
@rdb8509
@rdb8509 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Love the content.
@steveww1507
@steveww1507 3 жыл бұрын
I polished the in side of the look on one and it seemed to help with the pull. great vid Mike
@nigelkavanagh2048
@nigelkavanagh2048 3 жыл бұрын
Great shooting Mike, very interesting vid.
@Captain_Frank_Abagnale
@Captain_Frank_Abagnale 3 жыл бұрын
I have one myself. Love it
@jimmyrayseafood6882
@jimmyrayseafood6882 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite of all time ☺️
@allenpippin3799
@allenpippin3799 3 жыл бұрын
I shot my pedersoli brown bess today for the first time using Jefferson arsenal paper cartridges like yours. It was awesome. Your video prompted me to buy it. Keep up the good work.
@theodorebranin1365
@theodorebranin1365 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video.
@Leatherbark
@Leatherbark 3 жыл бұрын
The touch hole on my Pedersoli Bess was low like yours. I drilled out the hole bearing in an upward position to reposition the drill so when I tapped the hole for a Chambers White Lightning liner it raised the touch hole to the sunset position. With the bright steel barrel you cannot hardly see the liner outline.
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@josephbarnes8000
@josephbarnes8000 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing marksmanship !! Wished I had the luck with me guns as you do
@EvidensInsania
@EvidensInsania 3 жыл бұрын
Such a great sound. How can you not love black powder?
@matts.1758
@matts.1758 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t the 2nd model still be .78 cal? I didn’t think the .75 was used until the India pattern.
@plummerjw
@plummerjw 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, an informative and entertaining video. I must have been lucky for a change. My Pedersoli Brown Bess, which I bought from Cabela's two years ago, has a trigger pull right around six pounds.
@dieselten01
@dieselten01 3 жыл бұрын
I have the short version of this gun from Dixie Gunworks. I used a trick I learned from you to polish the bore with various grades of scotch brite pads and a tight jag. The bore is chrome lined so it doesnt remove much, but it did help. Thanks!
@rosssmith7695
@rosssmith7695 3 жыл бұрын
That's the DUKE of Wellington Mike! 😉 Great video!
@GaryED44
@GaryED44 3 жыл бұрын
My new favorite youtube video. Hope to Order a Brown Bess Replica soon myself!
@35southkiwi16
@35southkiwi16 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video Mike. Thanks 😊 if you do polish the bore I'd be very interested in seeing your technique, like wise with adjusting the sear/trigger pull.
@ENIGMAXII2112
@ENIGMAXII2112 9 ай бұрын
Wonderful..!!
@Reindeer911
@Reindeer911 3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and subscribing. Thank you for doing this... I've actually wanted one of there Brown Bess repros for quite some time. Considering the accuracy that you seem to be getting out of this musket, I'm even more interested!
@jimg691
@jimg691 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great vid Mike, I switched to Swiss black powder from Goex and get more shots before swabbing.
@emmettjenkins8026
@emmettjenkins8026 3 жыл бұрын
i Mike, I saw another video of yours in which you said you had difficulty loading the rifle and so you used scouring pads to remove burrs from th rifling. I had same issue in my rifle and gave that idea a try. It worked great. Thanks for the tip.
@straightpipec6099
@straightpipec6099 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one Mike.
@werekorden
@werekorden Жыл бұрын
This happened to me at an event. that the pan fired but no ignition in the barrel. I didn't recognized that and loaded in total around 3 more cartridges ending up with around 300 - 400 grains. Needless to say that boom took my unit and me by suprize. We retreated from the battlefield deaf and kind of shocked. Now I know why that might have happend.
@matbrewer9799
@matbrewer9799 3 ай бұрын
Awesome!!! I love that rifle! I have to have one! 😁
@SeanTaco
@SeanTaco 3 жыл бұрын
Any chance you will do a video on cleaning brown Bess and/or greasing bottom of barrel?
@jrenkas6
@jrenkas6 3 жыл бұрын
To lighten the trigger pull I replace the trigger v spring with a Ruger single action trigger spring. Makes a big difference
@jackphillips8771
@jackphillips8771 3 жыл бұрын
I love all your videos. If I keep watching them I'm going to go broke and maybe divorced.:) Been thinking about a Brown Bess for a long time. I wish I could shoot as well as you. Thanks for all you do to keep it interesting.
@bgurtek
@bgurtek 3 жыл бұрын
Mike, you're leaving a lot of tasty treats for the little critters at Duelist's Den with all the melons bits and such.
@THEPAGUNGUY
@THEPAGUNGUY 3 жыл бұрын
Hey you may consider sending this video to pedersoli in an email. They may listen and make some of those changes its definitely worth a try. the fouling maybe left over packing grease? I've been having issues w lingering grease in the barrel despite how much I srcub it. I'll be shooting then go to clean the bore and ill pull a alittle grease up. Great video BTW.
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
I go over the whole gun with Acetone, so, hopefully, it is degreased...but you never know...
@brentheathersimons7042
@brentheathersimons7042 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Mike! I was wondering if you would pick up a Bess. If you ever get back home to Vermont stop in and I'll whip you up some flapjacks! Love the channel. Stay healthy!-Brent
@karsonbranham3900
@karsonbranham3900 3 жыл бұрын
That is some Very good chootin!!!
@alexs5744
@alexs5744 11 ай бұрын
I’ve heard of British troops taking the Brown Bess into India and Afghanistan in the 1840s.
@donkeydonk96
@donkeydonk96 3 жыл бұрын
nice
@AFpaleoCon
@AFpaleoCon Жыл бұрын
Anyway we could get a video of how to improve the Brown Bess lock trigger pull? Id love to if it’s possible.
@nathanhileman3848
@nathanhileman3848 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! I have a question for you, if you please: historically speaking, how did soldiers clean their guns after a battle? I assume they carried that tow like you did, but wouldn't they need a great deal of it? Thank you!
@greywuuf
@greywuuf 3 жыл бұрын
I have been told and am starting to find out for myself that charge weight can move the heaviest of the fouling up or down the bore. I realize you are shooting specified millitary loads ...but i have seen where there is a more pronounced fouling area ....and careful charge i creases ( or tighter or looser components) can effectively move that beyond the muzzle. ....
@vekose9713
@vekose9713 3 жыл бұрын
Have you thought of making a cleaning video for this kind of musket? Obviously the cleaning of a flintlock is probably a bit different than a percussion rifle/musket and those of us looking to get into these older style flintlock weapons would appreciate it since your videos are some of the highest quality out there on these black powder firearms! Also general care to take with flintlock firearms (like how to replace flints, common problems with the locks and how to fix and deal with them such as a lock that is not throwing enough sparks to light the powder in the pan etc).
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll see what I can do
@saoirse5308
@saoirse5308 3 жыл бұрын
That went off nicely, but your 2nd & 5th shot did take an extra little tick of time between spark and boom. If you videoed your target. I'm betting 2nd & 5th shots were your two flyers that got off the white target. That's darn good for a brand new lock & FFg as primer 👍
@murphy4yt
@murphy4yt 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the well done video. Them suppository guns will never catch on, anyway
@dieselten01
@dieselten01 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding the touch hole, why cant you just grind down the bottom of the pan maybe .020 - .030” to effectively raise the touch hole? Thanks for a great video!
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
I could, but I'd still have to be careful of the prime, which would be moving in the pan when the frizzen is closed. If the touch hole was in the proper position, I could fill the pan with prime and close the lid and the prime will stay in place, and be properly positioned for fast ignition.
@michael.w.salter
@michael.w.salter 3 жыл бұрын
Great shooting Mike. You’d make a good history teacher as well. It would be nice to get that trigger down to about 4 lbs.
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
Amen to that Brother!
@Mossyrock6
@Mossyrock6 3 жыл бұрын
I see a trigger improvement video coming. Mine started out at about that weight, and it is currently sitting right at 4 pounds.
@arieldanziger799
@arieldanziger799 3 жыл бұрын
I dip the ball end of my cartridges in a 50/50 beeswax and crisco mix and invert the cartridge to load. It keeps the fouling softer and lets me load 10-15 rounds without much effort. While not historically accurate it makes it more enjoyable than swabbing put every couple rounds.
@ermakiross7994
@ermakiross7994 3 жыл бұрын
Очень круто!👍 Very cool!👍
@williampollock1274
@williampollock1274 3 жыл бұрын
I think that might be the fastest I've seen a flintlock go off.
@brentheathersimons7042
@brentheathersimons7042 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. Any chance you could do a comparison between the Bess and your 1766 Charleville? When Spring arrives of course! :) Happy Holidays! Brent, VT
@damianalaniz1118
@damianalaniz1118 3 жыл бұрын
Mike, do you think you could do a video of comparison of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Brown Bess models to see effective differences?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll put it on the list
@gtptvanbuuren3795
@gtptvanbuuren3795 3 жыл бұрын
Check inside the lock and it's cavity for shavings of metal. Check the torque on the 'lock mechanism bolts' etc. Great video Ta Lots. Love my Brown Bess also from Pedersoli.
@davidschaadt5929
@davidschaadt5929 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I bought a pedersoli brown Bess new in. 2016 and it had some metal shavings in the lock . No big deal ,but you want to clean that out . I love the gun tho.
@batcrypto1607
@batcrypto1607 2 жыл бұрын
Can you guys please explain what the metal shavings do to the gun?
@richardlahan7068
@richardlahan7068 9 ай бұрын
I got an Indian 1766 Charleville and after I got the shine off the steel and the brown paint off the wood, it looks fairly historically accurate. I did drill the flash hole level with the top of the pan. I can't wait to get it to the range.
@randyzwieg8467
@randyzwieg8467 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't fired your musket but a nine lb trigger isn't bad. HK 91s have a pull of around 15. Remington m522 Vipers have triggers of around 20 lbs. I'm not exaggerating.
@n8sot
@n8sot 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting Mike!!!! Love the vid!!! Thank you!!!!! Wished we lived closer!!!!!!! I'd be divorced within a month!!!! LOL!!!! Keep the great vids coming!!!
@marcwulfrath9948
@marcwulfrath9948 3 жыл бұрын
Good evening Mike. I was so long waiting for Brown Bess in your Hand. Awesome. What type of Flint do you use?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
An English flint
@jwkennington
@jwkennington 3 жыл бұрын
I have to ask, when you were showing the lock and the position of the touch hole, I noticed that under the crown it looks like it says GP instead of GR. Is it my eyes or is that another anachronism? I'd love to see Buck and Ball.
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
It says "GR" it just didn't show up well.
@OurLanding
@OurLanding 2 жыл бұрын
I watched all your Brown Bess videos with great interest. I am seeking your sage advice on loading a smoothbore flintlock for accuracy. I recently acquired a Pedersoli 1777 Revolutionaire .69cal. It was suggested to me by an experienced competitive BP shooter that the .69 cal is more consistent than the Brown Bess when it came to accurate shooting. My intention is to shoot standing at 50M. My first attempts are with a .675 ball, .007 patch and 70 gr or 2f. The grouping is terrible about 15" from a rest. I want to achieve about a 6 to 7 inch group. Have you done any work to get a tighter group?
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il 3 жыл бұрын
Dang she smacked evil roy with authority. Any idea what that rounds is speeding along at and im assuming arohnd 500 grains is the weight?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
I'll find out in the future
@bbeauclerc7438
@bbeauclerc7438 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, what a good vidéo!!! i'm sorry for my my bad english, i'm French.... I have a question. Do we have to wait between each shot? Is there a risk that incandescent paper stays in the barrel?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
I have not seen that happen in any gun smaller than a canon. So, I think you don't have to worry about it.
@TheDarkchoclate
@TheDarkchoclate 3 жыл бұрын
Is the trigger the same or better than the Charleville?@duelist1954
@krockpotbroccoli65
@krockpotbroccoli65 3 жыл бұрын
Tow can also be hemp/ cannabis fiber.
@ATH_Berkshire
@ATH_Berkshire 3 жыл бұрын
Do you plan on a accuracy comparison of paper military cartridges and cloth patched ball. It would be interesting to see just how accurate this gun can be under optimal conditions.
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'll do that at some point, but it will be awhile
@gracesprocket7340
@gracesprocket7340 6 ай бұрын
If you have a record or can conveniently measure... What is the height of the top line at the breech, and the length to the highest point from the muzzle face? What is the height of the muzzle swell/face and how far back is it if a swell is present? What is the height of the fore-sight/bayonet lug and how far to the front corner from the muzzle face? Many thanks if you can help with finding these measures (If you have other similar weapons from the period where you can make the measurements they would also be welcome (pistol, carbine, musquet or rifle, for a small project which needs angle of sight and height over bore centre)
@mikef3808
@mikef3808 3 жыл бұрын
With the extreme weight of many trigger pulls, how common were double set triggers on rifles in the 18th century?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
They were very common on rifles
@mikef3808
@mikef3808 3 жыл бұрын
@@duelist1954 thanks. Just got a Pedersoli Trade Gun kit. Thinking of getting a Jaeger after it.
@bullhippo9023
@bullhippo9023 3 жыл бұрын
I see 1F powder listed as musket powder from the powder maufactures. I don't see anyone on KZfaq using it, they all use 2F. I have read articles where people switched to 1F and liked the results. It would reason that the long barrel and large caliber would be well suited for 1F. I have no experience in this matter, what do you think ?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
I think you are right.
@Matzah1982
@Matzah1982 3 жыл бұрын
Some pedersoli repros have horrible trigger pulls. I used to have a pedersoli Philadelphia deringer in .45 caliber and it was one of the most expensive guns I ever bought and it was a waste of 400 bucks because it was the worst gun I ever bought. It had an extremely stiff trigger pull and I had to be like 5 feet away from a plastic gallon jug to be able to hit it and after the first shot I started having misfire issues and by the 7th shot the nipple was so clogged and I couldn't clear it so I replaced the nipple and traded it for an uberti 1860 colt style .44 army revolver which gave me no problems with ignition or accuracy. My diana model 34 classic .22 air rifle is my most accurate gun with a 3 pound trigger pull and a to6 trigger shooting H&N 16 grain hornet pellets I get superb accuracy from 25 yards and excellent penetration and expansion. The hornet pellets my gun shoots at about 700 feet per second with about 15 foot pounds of energy tear through a 1x4 pine wood board like a warm knife through butter and lodge 60 pages deep in a hardcover book behind the board. It's about as comparable ballistically to a .22 short round as an uberti 1851 navy colt style repro revolver shooting a .380 diameter round ball with 20 grains of 3f black powder is to a modern .380 semi auto round
@lutherpayne9957
@lutherpayne9957 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. Load that bad boy up with George Washington's favorite loads....Buck and ball. Or so I have heard he favored that load.
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 3 жыл бұрын
He did. He also changed Baron von Steuben's drill book just a bit. Steuben's commands were "Make ready! Present! Fire!" in the European style. Washington changed that to "Make ready! AIM! Fire!" You can't hurt 'em if you can't hit 'em!
@SteveAubrey1762
@SteveAubrey1762 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I've had my Pedersoli short land pattern since 1994. I love Bess! I had a man, a machinist, make me a solid, one-piece rammer. The metal reproduction rammers are 3 pieces and the pieces are only friction fit. I was cleaning my Bess, as you did in the video about 10 years ago when the threaded end separated from the rammer body. Naturally, it was almost all the way down to the breech. That took some ingenuity to get that pig out without breaching. Another thing I did was borrow the idea of an anchour point from archery. I marked where the corner of my mouth touched the stock, drilled a tiny hole, put some epoxy in the hole, then tapped in a brass tack. Now I put that brass tack on the corner of my mouth and my eye will more or less be in a consistent spot. I use the bayonet lug as an Aimpoint. I can cloverleaf a .715 ball at 25 yards. BTW, mix 50/50 beeswax and tallow then dip the ball end of your cartridge in it. It will help w/ the fouling. Very best regards, JA
@marctric
@marctric 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, concerning the position of the touch-hole in this rifle, I was wondering... How difficult is to be precise when installing a touch-hole in a tubular barrel ??? I have seen many videos of musket construction, most of them using kits but never see a video using a tubular barrel, they are almost ever, from a octagon barrel. I have just found a video of installation a touch-hole in a tubular barrel few minutes ago, and that is definitely HARD... Are octagon barrels just for beauty or they are simply more easy to install the touch-hole ??? What is the point of octagon barrels ??? May be it is a good subject for a future video...
@wildrangeringreen
@wildrangeringreen 3 жыл бұрын
this is a bit long, so please bear with me: So you have to understand how most barrels were made 1850ish and prior (with the method still in use by very small, all-in-one BP gun-shops up to the end of the 1800's). Barrels were normally formed from strips or sheets of steel/iron that were hammered around a mandrel and welded together. in order to have the lightest barrel possible, it's important to have the barrel concentric around the bore (even wall thickness). With a hammer, it's easiest to form and measure a concentric barrel by making an octagon (8 equal flats are much easier to eyeball than a perfectly round barrel). Once the octagon is formed, you can then continue by tapping the corners into round, in many cases, gunsmiths elected to leave the barrel, or portions of it octagonal for aesthetic (and to a lesser extent, structural/layout) reasons (to finish an octagonal barrel, you must employ draw-filing, which is a labor intensive (read: expensive process). Unfortunately, most kits today are trying to make premium/luxury features common at a non-premium price (another example: patch boxes, most guns didn't have them due to cost and practicality (you have a shot bag, why would you need to store stuff in the gun?), but every new gun seems to have one... another example is swamped barrels, many non-premium guns had simple tapered barrels due to cost and weight). Reproductions today generally pull from an incredibly limited selection of original examples, and it throws off people's perception of what original guns were like (like how companies were only really producing "Hawken Rifles" in the 1970's). You also see almost exclusively long barreled full-stock guns, when barrel length, profile, fore-stock length, and caliber varied wildly (depended on the 5 w's). It's easier to cut dovetails in an octagonal barrel, however, you must maintain a thicker wall (also why reproductions are almost always ridiculously heavy). Most of the finer barreled guns had front sights and recoil lugs soldered on (the rear sight is back by the breech, where the barrel is thicker, so can be dovetailed). Drilling a touch hole and centering things is the same regardless of barrel shape, most people struggle because they don't center-punch drillings first and the bit skids around on a round barrel more.
@M80Ball
@M80Ball 3 жыл бұрын
Kings pattern burger on the way to the range?
@ATH_Berkshire
@ATH_Berkshire 3 жыл бұрын
Are there safe ways to improve this type of trigger? If so are they “safe” to show on KZfaq?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
It depends on what the cause is. If the sear is binding on the wood...that's easy. If the sear spring is too strong, that is less easy, but fairly safe. Ditto mainspring. If the sear engagement is the problem, you had better know what ou're doing before messing with it.
@1murder99
@1murder99 3 жыл бұрын
If you are standing in a long line of Red Coats and there is a long line of Blue Coats facing you, bad trigger pull is much less noticeable.
@richardlahan7068
@richardlahan7068 9 ай бұрын
Is there an easy way to lighten the trigger up without affecting the sparking of the flint?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 9 ай бұрын
You can only do so much after a gun is built. You can lighten the sear spring a little and you can stone the full cock notch and the sear, but there are limits. The way to get a light single trigger is to build the gun so the pivot bar of the trigger is only a quarter of an inch in front of the sear. Ideally, the pivot pin should be higher than the sear. You can get quite a light trigger pull that way.
@richardlahan7068
@richardlahan7068 9 ай бұрын
@@duelist1954 Thanks!
@bnasty3332
@bnasty3332 2 жыл бұрын
Mike where do you get your tow?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 2 жыл бұрын
The woolery
@santerinurminen7909
@santerinurminen7909 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a chronograph or any other means to measure the muzzle velocity of your paper cartridges?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, will do in a future video
@santerinurminen7909
@santerinurminen7909 3 жыл бұрын
@@duelist1954 Glad to hear :)
@santerinurminen7909
@santerinurminen7909 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have an idea or experience of the muzzle velocity of a brown bess? I have read that with historical loads it could be high as 1800 ft/s. I'm more interested in the modern loads. Something like 100 or 120 grains of 2f.
@originalamerican9396
@originalamerican9396 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know much but I can guarantee that nobody ever got 1,800 fps with a Brown Bess. The bore is .75 but the English used a .69 ball. The extremely loose fit means a ton of gas will blow past the ball even with the paper patching. Combined with the heavy ball means you probably are not even breaking the sound barrier.
@santerinurminen7909
@santerinurminen7909 3 жыл бұрын
@@originalamerican9396 Yeah. I have also heard that they are so heavy that they don't crack the sound barrier. Would be nice to know if someone has ever chronographed one.
@Captain_Frank_Abagnale
@Captain_Frank_Abagnale 3 жыл бұрын
@@santerinurminen7909 I use 120 grain loads under a .69 caliber ball in mine(historical standard for not only Britain but Prussia and their German allies as well, 1723 and 23/40 Potsdams were the same caliber generally) and there’s no way that ball is going 1800 fps. I don’t have a chrono but if I had to guess I’d say 800-950 fps absolute maximum on a perfect day. They’re very heavy and slow moving projectiles.
@santerinurminen7909
@santerinurminen7909 3 жыл бұрын
@@Captain_Frank_AbagnaleThank you. Have you ever tried patching the ball? If you have: have you felt that the tighter fitting ball has any real effect on the muzzle velocity and accurasy?
@GaryED44
@GaryED44 3 жыл бұрын
watching the old Daniel Boone series with Fess Parker and there's a scene where Daniel and his friend are captured by two women. Two indicate why Daniel and his friend shouldn't try to escape both women give a display of their marksmanship by each shooting a Rock Daniel tossed in the air. Next they move Dan and his friend off. Now this is about 1773 which means single shot fowlers, so after the shooting display both guns are empty, yet Dan his friend comply as if their not. I'm thinking "Hey wait a minute!"
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 3 жыл бұрын
That's TV from the 60's for you, and chances are they were using Hollywood "Trapdoor" imitation flintlocks anyway!
@johnnottahcal5725
@johnnottahcal5725 9 ай бұрын
My curiosity about the paper and ball is killing me. Do you think it exits still ‘wrapped’ in paper or do the hot gases blow it off within the barrel?
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 9 ай бұрын
The ball blows through the paper as it exits the barrel
@johnnottahcal5725
@johnnottahcal5725 9 ай бұрын
@@duelist1954 Thanks Mike!
@jefferypowell9885
@jefferypowell9885 9 ай бұрын
Were can I get a muskit valued at i was made 1812 conversation to caps in 1842 was found in the battlefield of the civil war
@jefferypowell9885
@jefferypowell9885 9 ай бұрын
One gun shop said only worth 150
@tonysalecki
@tonysalecki 3 жыл бұрын
Were any Brown Bess’s ever rifled?
@Captain_Frank_Abagnale
@Captain_Frank_Abagnale 3 жыл бұрын
No. Some were converted to percussion before the 1853 Enfield came out though but no rifling for the Brown Bess. However very few were used. The Tower of London caught on fire in 1841(?) and the majority of their stock of converted and non converted muskets were destroyed by it
@tonysalecki
@tonysalecki 3 жыл бұрын
@@Captain_Frank_Abagnale thanks for replying. Great info to know
@inverted_image.6076
@inverted_image.6076 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh, I kind of want to use a musket.
@ryanslikker6135
@ryanslikker6135 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, I'm looking at buying a Pedersoli brown bess, but I've heard some people say they had some QA issues possibly due to covid. Have you come across this or heard the same?Thank you
@duelist1954
@duelist1954 3 жыл бұрын
No. That is news to me.
@ryanslikker6135
@ryanslikker6135 3 жыл бұрын
@@duelist1954 Thank you very much
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