Love the packaging on these! Looks like something from a pioneer's survival kit.

You want the .450 Lee mold. The chambers are .450 on Ubertis

I understand. This was one of the first videos I made almost two years ago. Hopefully my technique is improving with time.

A properly sized bullet prevents chain fires from the front (which are rare to the point of non-existence. Chain fires ignite from the rear. Properly fitted caps prevent them.

@jebusHchru If you get a good seal on the bullets, you don't need grease to prevent chain fires. About 10 years ago the NMLRA did tests that showed that chain fires mostly occurred from the rear due to loose or fallen caps.

I was making my own paper cartridges 20 years ago. I had a brass mould that made a heeled conical bullet. I made a form out wood for the diameter. I cut cigarette paper into a curved triangle shape so that the mouth would be straight when wrapped around the wood form at the proper diameter. I used just a little dap of Elmer's glue to hold the paper. Then I glues the formed paper cone onto the base of the conical bullet. powder load into the opened, tapered tail, then folded it over and glued.

another great video, I just got started with black powder revolvers and really appreciate all the great imput from all your videos...

Dixie used to have brass molds for them. I'd start with them.

I know this is old, but an old technique was to point the muzzle up to re-cock the pistol, so that the spent caps would fall off out of the way of the hammer. This is what I do and I have no problems with jams or anything.

@LifeisGood762 I've not seen any authentic conicals for sale ready-made. Buffalo Bullets has a non-authentic conical that shoots well. I use Lee molds and make my own.

@MrJmak223 Fill the slot in the hammer nose with J-B Weld

I've been shooting cap and ball revolvers for decades. I've made my own paper cartrridges. This video points out a failing of the paper cartridges, but it was edited out: paper cartridges rarely slip easily into the chamber. You jiggle to get them started down the chamber. Doing so, the paper tube can be easily broken, spilling the powder. The bullet contacts the frame, interfering with a straight start down the chamber. Paper ctgs.are not nearly as easy as this video suggests.

Eventually I'll put something together on making paper cartridges

@mkultraification Several companies make conical C&B bullet molds. The ones I use come from Lee Precision.

Thanks! great channel by the way!

Take a look at my series on round ball vs conical bullets and use those loads.

I already have a series of videos on black powder cleaning.

Wow, I would love to have some of these for my Walker Colt.

I knew about paper & foil, I didn't know about the ones made of gut.

Sure enjoy your videos, you cover details that are very helpful. thanks

Yes, I'm well aware of that.

thank you sir!!

This is one of my early videos. I have an external microphone now and a "dead cat" to cover it, but since these days I often shoot with a three camera set up, I still pick up noise sometimes on one camera or the other.

OK, in 10 years time, you probably have already learned this, but that Uberti has a cylinder stop in between chambers, it's perfectly find to load six shots in it.

This one: LEE DC MOLD 450-200-1R

I did this video over two years ago, so I'm going on memory here, but I don't recall any reside from the paper.

I was surprised that you just load and cap. I had expected a wire would be used to pierce the paper before capping.

Another interesting clip mike!

ill try to make some for my 1858 new model army

you can load 6 and rest the hammer between the chambers for safety.

Nice video, thank you Mike!

3:39 somebody's got a tank lol!

I used coffee filters. Always had to check the chambers for chard remains every 3 cylinders or so. But they made shooting fun.

Correct. You do not NEED to use flash paper. I have made cigarette paper cartridges and flash paper cartridges and test fired them both in my .36 - 1851 and my .44 - 1860. Ignition was fine for both. However the cigarette paper did not burn up completely and did leave residue in all chambers. The flash paper and flash glue burn up 100% and leave ZERO residue.

Great video, thanks for the effort.

very cool, I like the 1851 navy, I have a set in navy conversion revolvers but maybe someday I be able to get a cap and ball navy. great video.

I use the the Lee conicals in .36 and .44 with cigarette rolling papers. I've found a 3/8" and 7/16" straight dowel works fine; fold the end of the paper tube over the end of the dowel, drop a drop of super glue on it and stick the bullet on. Fill with powder through the open end, twist the end with wet fingers, chop off the excess. The Lee conicals will fit over 35gr. powder in the Pietta .44 and 25gr powder (barely) in the Pietta .36 (I backed the .36 off to 20 grs, and the .44 to 30grs, but will probably up that back to 35 grs, since there wasn't an issue ramming the bullet home). Seems like a little faster process (tho less authentic) than what's in the video, and I haven't had an issue with ignition.

HI, thanks you for the info =-) i will try the nitrate cartridges in my Dragoon and a cap rifle, i will let you know how well it works in the rifle, maybe a little powder booster than the cartridge. or just do it the other way you explained, it will still be faster than i load now either way =-)

@ososeff That is a replica that I haven't shot yet. So I can't give you a recommendation.

Really enjoy your video's Thank you

The paper cartridges load much better in originals than in reproductions. You can grind out more space between the barrel & the mouth of the chamber. Then rolling the load under the rammer is much easier and more period correct

i've seen people use rolling papers. some are more thick then others and would be perfect for this seeing they are pre-glued, just roll them around a dowel of the correct size.

Cara esse revólver realmente é uma relíquia..... Valeu.........

Enjoyed the video very much Mike. I need to make me another batch of similar cartridges from nitrated magician paper. Love to hear you ring that gong!

The rammer face has a pointed indent, but they do get deformed some. Accracy was on a par with round balls.

Very cool !

I'm getting a good lead seal at the chamber mouths, so, no problem.

@TheRogueJackass They would have capped all six and lowered the hammer on to one of the safety pins between each pair of cylinders.

I've been experimenting with rolling my own using tissue paper (The same stuff you shove into gift bags). The cartridges seem sturdy enough to deal with and good ignition so far (no misfires or hangfires). I dip the bullet end in a 50-50 mixture of petroleum jelly and paraffin for lube, which might be too hard, will probably increase the jelly in the next batch.

any info on do it your self paper Cartridges? I ordered my Lee mold for the Remington 1858.

@mkultraification Sure. Google Lee Precision

Mike, Where is the best place to find conical bullets? Your videos made me break out my 1851 for the range today and have renewed my "fickle love" for the black powder revolvers. I was up very late watching your series on smoothing over the Pietta. Thanks for all you do to promote these beautiful firearms.

Interesting video. Thanks

@Polybun Sorry about that. I have a dead cat now. When this video was made I'd only made my first ever video three weeks before and I was heavily into the learning curve. Hopefully I'm getting more proficient. Thanks for your feedback.

i nitrate my rolling papers by a super fast dunk in spectriced ( its a weed insect killer you can pick up in any of the big chain stores with garden depatrtments) and letting them dry. spraying with a mister works too. its some pretty nasty crap though. its part pottasium nitrate and god only knows what else. DO NOT LICK THE PAPERS ! a very small paint brush picks up enough moisture to wet the edge. i use water to seal the cone edges for convienience. one more thing ,,,, test both thick( TOP ) and thin ( zig-zag /bugler) papers. once you get your procedure down pat it wont take very long to twist up a bunch. keep your eyes open at the range for plastic cartridge holders you find in some ammo packing. .45 acp works best

I noticed the conicals were really pointed does the rammer deform the nose? how was the accuracy compared to round ball?

I'd recommend an 1851 Navy replica.

Mike ,What are your thoughts on powder coating conical bullets for BP Pistol use? More importantly, In use with paper cartridges respect to this video.

Maybe so. I have an 1858 which I bought with a conversion cylinder to fire .45 Long Colt with smokeless. It is amazingly accurate. Maybe I should try it's original percussion cylinder with paper cartridges? I agree that black powder guns certainly seem to be uniquely persnickety.

that makes sense. im fairly new to cap and ball, just going off what an old timer told me and what ive watched on here.

Very cool.

i notice that your not greasing the ends of the chambers to prevent a chain fire. is there a built in wadding in the cartridge to keep any heat from getting to the powder? or does it rely on the fact that if properly loaded, you shouldn't have any powder residue that could be ignited by a spark ahead of the tight fitting bullet?

which diameter conical bullet do you recommend be better for a uberti 1860 army? i would like to cast my own out of a lee mold... track of the wolf offers a .450 and a .456. but uberti recommends a .454...why are things getting complicated when switching from round ball to a conical bullet lol

Where do you think John Gurnee got the mold for that bullet. Looks sort of like the ones that come out of the Pedersoli.

what lee mold wold you use for the Remington 1858 new army to make conical bullet?

It is nitrated, but I don't know what paper stock he uses

What bullet mold is used to make the conical bullet in 1:38 of the video? Thanks

that would be tough, but maybe you could make a cartridge wrapped in nitrated paper that would work. I think ignition would be the problem. I can't imagine that working at all with a flintlock. Actual paper rifle and musket cartridges were designed to be torn open and the loose powder poured into the barrel and then the ball rammed down over the powder and the paper used as wadding.

How difficult was it to seat the cartridge before rotating the chamber under the rammer? I assume that you had to muscle it a bit before turning the cylinder?

You know on the range you CAN load all six because your not going any where with a loaded cap n' ball gun.

I roll my own paper cartidges with cigarette papers...really need to start nitrating them one of these days. ;^)

I'd like to know where the mold for that type of .44 bullet comes from.

How do you stop the percussion caps from falling down inside the action? Because when ever I fire BP revolvers the caps fragment and drop down inside. Any advice would be appreciated.

You should have been using the Remington 1858 New Army. It has slots between the cylinders that you can safely rest the hammer in between just like the modern North American Arms mini revolvers. Then you can load all 6 safely without worrying about a bang when you don't want one. Nice video. But where's the fun in this! You got to get your hands dirty it's part of the fun. Clean up afterwords is a total B*&@#% though.

gostei do vídeo, muito interessante

the he's using looks like the one made with the reproduction colt style bullet moulds that pedersoli sells I think

can a muzzle loading rifle use a paper cartridge that can be rammed down?

Where do the conical bullets come from. Cab I get a mould for them?

I'd sure like to know where he got the small cardboard box. I think it would look great with my label on it.

Where can i buy some papper cartridge ? No company selling this ?

Cigarette papers DO NOT burn up completely and leave quite a bit of chamber residue. Do the nitrated papers in your video leave any paper residue in the fired chambers or do they burn up completely so that you can reload without cleaning the chambers?

Mike you need to get a wind screen for the microphone

Duelist1954, making nitrated paper is not difficult but it is hazardous. What about soaking the cartridge paper in a strong saltpeter solution and drying it before making the cartridges? Would that make a safe cartridge?

what about chain fire issue? it s not exist with paper cartridge?

Where can I find the combustible paper for making my own paper cartridges? Thanks for the video.

Check out YT video : cartouches poudre noire "papier" on a very simple and neat method to make black powder paper cartridges.Might be a basis for your next video. Apparently, the French, Spanish, Italians and Hungarians have a lot of black powder enthusiasts and some interesting videos are posted. Glad to see our interests are enjoyed in other countries.International angle my be a good topic for your magazine. Always enjoy your posts & columns. Keep up good work.

I bought a 36 Navy that has a loose cyl pin. Can it be fixed. Its a brass frame pistol? Thanks.

Where do you shoot? On the street? I saw buildings right next to you... Is that legal?

i see tha they shoot very nice in your 1851 navy i was wondering would they shoot in my pietta 1851 navy 44 as well or a simular type and what would you recomend i love shooting mine with round ball and have not seen to many places to buy conicals i shoot the .454 and .451 ball also thank you for great videos very helpful ! also my next purchase will slix shot niples from what i seen and saw about primer jump

I was told that conical bullets aren't as accurate as ball in modern percussion revolvers because they don't have progressive rifling which has an increased rate of rotation further down the barrel compared to the modern rifling which is continuous ratio rifling. Is this true? I ordered a Uberti .44 3rd Model Dragoon and was wondering if I should buy a ball mold or conical mold? Thanks guys

How much do they cost?

Where the heck do you get nitrate paper? I'd love to make some of these for my 1861.

No advice on how to make your own cartridges?

Load all six chambers and rest the hammer on the pin between the cylinders. Not to be done with the SAA.

Did they not come with percussion caps?

I live in the UK, 16 years ago the government decided i was obviously a murder for wanting to own a handgun so they made it illegal for people to own modern cartridge handguns. Cap n ball revolvers are still legal, realisticly i can only get 1 only my licence i like the look of the 1858 remington, but for a person who has never owned a cap n ball before what would you suggest?

Cap n Ball revolvers are legal ?

i want some

where does "john" get the nitrated paper??

Do they need to be greased after you RAM them in?