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They don't want your money.

Stop stealing from the stores so they don't have to worry about you...

Exactly 💯 Stop giving them your money 💰

@@kskeel1124stop overdosing on fentanyl.

what else to do with people who won't look in the mirror Extortionist. yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show.

I approve this message

I concur

Deep and true

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Exactly

IKR!

When you're rich, it's about quality.

@@qianabrown3662 never seen Bill Gates or Elon in designer so you must mean Hood Rich? 🤔

Because "affluence"

Why move to community’s that don’t want you there.. they don’t care about your money… they only care that they don’t have to deal with you period

Black ppl need white acceptance.🤷🏽‍♀️😢

This has got to be a joke, if someone is suspected of shoplifting, they give a DESCRIPTION of the person. So they go to him, find out he wasn't the shoplifter, acknowledged it was a mistake and let him go. and just because he is "black", he is making a fuss and now it's national news? .. just because he's black? This whole thing is just anti yt and it's out of control and blatent now. Nothing happened in this story except to post a false narrative from blacks, when we all know they have the most privelege in this country... and the replies in this video are from bots.

I am confident they do not after the fact. I am uncertain of the treatment I will receive without entering.

I like these store.. they are nice store

@daintyminnie9270 ********* examine why you are attracted to these types of stores....examine why you are attracted to Materialism.

They will still shop there. ..it never ends

They don't want your money.

Ain't no reason to go run and give a place like Saks fifth avenue your money if you're black, even if you are a rich black person! I don't like spending my money in places where they don't value me or my money the way that they should! They'll take it if you spend it with them, but some of these white brands ain't sweating it if black people don't spend no money with them! Am I a dumbass people keep on buying Gucci after Gucci put out some racist ass sweater with red lipstick on the sweater around the turtleneck part turn off the big lips of an older African black person!

I agree, they’d be much safer

Exactly

🎯 I shop black owned as often as I can

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But for some reason our people don’t have enough sense to stop buying labels.

They didn’t take EBT anyway 😂

Facts

​@@noneofyourbiz6885EBT is for food only smart guy.🤡

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​@@noneofyourbiz6885 I know you think being a racist is cute, but it's not a good look sir🤷🏿

So true! 🗣 Say it loud!

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Fact

DNA profiling do like this, but other people come in there and mobs and even one or two people together and try to clear the place out! And MOST of those culprits DON'T get caught!

@carmellasimpson Exactly

It’s crazy isn’t it!?!…

@@p.gizzle90 When you don't realize the power you possess and look to others and their labels for acceptance you have already lost the game. Especially, chasing after the acceptance of people who prove to black and brown people everyday that they don't even love themselves. So much minority creativeness, yet many still run after hatred and bigotry. Go figure🤔

Hispanics don’t get treated like black people idly y’all always trying to put them with us

Maybe you people could learn to behave, or attempt to raise decent children. ✊🏾🤡🍟

How about telling racists something since you have so much advice for black people.

@@Rick-og6oy ok Racist stay out of black people business

@@Rick-og6oy Do not be racist.

And STOP sleeping with their women!!!

Htf would he know this before the fact

yes, must show the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...!

Yup!

He got them to donate to three black charities, and they fired the security guard. Miami police after looking him up ran away.

"Worship money"

ALL THESE BBBLKS COMMITING ALL THESE CRMES IN THEM STORES AND YALL THINK PEOPLE AINT GONNA BE SUSPICIOUS....IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND....YALL BE ACTING THE FOOL WITH JOKES....STOP THIS BS CAUSE PEOPLE GOT CAUSE TO BE CONCERNED....YALL COMMITING ALL.THESE CRMES BRO....

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Same, they will not bother you. Only 3 people ever work at Ross and they don't have time to follow you. 😅

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I love Ross!! That’s my favorite place when out of town.

Exactly 💯

They dont train them to racially profile. Society has done a great job at brainwashing people into believing that we [black people] are all criminals. People arent smart enough to know the real thieves are the ones not being watched and moving freely throughout stores. 😑

Thank you, there was never any “suspect”

Yup, being racist and black profiling

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And you dont think the hundreds of videeos of us Stealing from Stores plays into that?

It sure doesn't. People believe all of the negative talk about us black people and they believe that we are all just dirt poor and can't buy thw same exact items as everyone else.

​@@knos360No! Just because we are black doesn't mean that we all steal.

@@knos360 Of course it does. The interesting thing is that according to FBI stats, "them" are responsible for more than 300k cases of larceny to out 100k, yet they are allowed to walk around and represent only themselves as individuals while we get lumped into a group. So much for liberty and justice for all.

It doesn't because many associate blackness with likeliness to commit crime or being dishonest when having a skin color does not say WHO you are and WHAT you do in life.

SMASH N GRABS! OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...!

Ryte

Compared to black customers? No

@@Digger-Nick always with the race whining huh ?

The CEOs steal billions. Wage theft?

African ? We are black Americans never been to Africa have no family there

lol, lori to brandon ... do such good for the criminal element! only. yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...!

I am African American and I have the common sense that my ancestors came from Africa!

@@joshmalone4246 Take this seriously, Africans don't consider you one of them! Yes your ancestors were taken from there but you're not considered, by them, to be one of them.

​@@naomineal1785 Does matter what they consider,we are African Americans. No one denies their cultural past except for Blacks.Whu do you think that is?

I like brands like Apple, North Face, BWM, and HIlton.... They don't have things like that.. except they have thing like alcohol, sneakers, and hair things.. I don't need such things

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES. oh yes, the snake oil salespeople lightfoot/brandon/ayanna love the criminals back out at you all too.

List a few pls I would like to support

@@daintyminnie9270So there are no white business that have sneakers, hair, and liquor? You are choosing to stay ignorant.

Yes, Im sick of hearing there crap, I dont/wont shop at Saks ever nor any other raciest business I hear this lame excuse from.

Right!!!

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Awesome reply! Buy land!

I just gave my 9 yo grandson that advice when he told me what he would do with the money if he won the lottery. 😊

Um... it will continue as long as most of the shoplifters and robbers in retail are black. Do you not watch the news? That's just statistically a fact. So it would be ignorant of the stores / security to ignore that simple fact. Now, I'm not saying whatever happened in this particular case was right or wrong... I don't know enough about it to comment on it. And neither do you.

“If I see a black man walking down a dark street I’m crossing to the other side” Dave Chappell 😂

@@noneofyourbiz6885 "They say it's the white man I should fear... but it's my own kind doing all the killing here." Tupac

Until these ‘special’ black people quit acting like fools. Also, black people aren’t the only poor people in the world, far from it. No excuses.

@@Big_Island_Boijust like the YT dope heads that come in wit em right 😂

I AGREE WITH YOU 💯%. I 🛑 STOPPED DOING THIS A LONG TIME AGO.

I stopped spending money with them when I was around 30. I now have 2 million in cash, traveling all over the world. Now I'm taking my millions to the motherland.

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​@@nomadictravelerfromTxGood to know Are you in Ghana?

With the climate that we are living in today with excessive stealing if you are a young black man and you walk into these type of stores you are going to be watched very closely even if it is not by the security guard. These high end stores have a surveillance room.

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...!

ALL THESE BBBLKS COMMITING ALL THESE CRMES IN THEM STORES AND YALL THINK PEOPLE AINT GONNA BE SUSPICIOUS....IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND....YALL BE ACTING THE FOOL WITH JOKES....STOP THIS BS CAUSE PEOPLE GOT CAUSE TO BE CONCERNED....YALL COMMITING ALL.THESE CRMES BRO....

Stop enforcing stereotypes then

Back in the 60's, when I was a teen, we had an independently owned high end department store where the only sales people I ever saw were grumpy old ladies. I'm sure the company trained them to target young people. Since our high school was downtown, a few blocks from this store, we would sometimes go in browsing the merchandise. It was so frustrating when you needed help from a saleslady to not be able to find one, even though occasionally you could see them peeking from behind something to make sure you weren't shoplifting. So the ONLY time I went in to that store was if I couldn't find it anywhere else. That was the first and last time I ever saw a young woman working there, probably in her 20's. She greeted me and asked me what she could help me find. I got superb service from her. As I left, I wondered why they didn't have any other sales people like her. I never saw her again, but that was probably close to the last time I entered that store. As far as I'm concerned there are 2 reasons that I will refuse to purchase anything from a store/restaurant/service center. One, pretend like you don't know I'm there and 2 treating me like a criminal just because I don't fit the stereotypical idea of a good customer.

Stopped going years ago!!

But they won’t shop at black business with subpar customer service, when they are very rude and demeaning and blacks keep going regardless…it’s crazy to me.

And you haven't seen the countless videos of us smashing and grabbing at their stores and disrespecting.... No that never happens.

Ask the Asians how many times they've been stiffed out of their money from black customers! Lots!

@@Monroestevens306 this is not the vast majority of of Asian business. This is a relativly new phenomenon and its not just blacks. All races are doing smash and grabs. Hispanics do smash and grabs at the same rate, yet you will ever here anything derogatory about this as a she group. They are looked at as individuals, except when it comes to immagration. Not saying smash and grabs are right but its not just blacks. Why don't asians look over their shoulder about white people and Mexicans who do similar behavior?

what if you need to buy food thing?

@@daintyminnie9270 Just buy what's necessary. Keep most of your money in your pocket. You will thank me later.

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

Amen ​@@nomadictravelerfromTx

@@clint1285 😀😀😀

That's a good idea! Usually if I'm in a aisle by myself and less than 5 min later an employee or anyone else pops up, I'll leave, and when I see them leave I go back to where I was. It's a shame we can't just shop in peace, always somebody watching!

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I used to do this in the mall since they didn't have buggies. I only acted up when they stopped following me because I was no longer used to carrying my own stuff.

😂😂😂😂😂 I like that idea

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Do it then and quit crying

@@calmbro1970 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

And also marry black too, but noone is ready for that conversation though.

Wishful thinking to both comments 😂

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

Sorry I don’t date Black girls. They have baby daddy drama.

@@MsAchampion It is none of your business who someone chooses to marry.

100% They should sue this retard for taking a false story to the news because he’s a court jester for the king.

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

Say that louder for the people in the back!

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show.

ALL THESE BBBLKS COMMITING ALL THESE CRMES IN THEM STORES AND YALL THINK PEOPLE AINT GONNA BE SUSPICIOUS....IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND....YALL BE ACTING THE FOOL WITH JOKES....STOP THIS BS CAUSE PEOPLE GOT CAUSE TO BE CONCERNED....YALL COMMITING ALL.THESE CRMES BRO....

Nothing happened here, they saw a shoplifter, gave his description, went to the wrong guy matching the description, they saw it was a mistake and walked away and ended the interaction. Nothing happened except someone playing the victim card when nobody was a victom. You really don't use your brain do you?

I’m sorry to hear that. We will all pretend that 13% of the population isn’t responsible for 50% of the crime.

@@noneofyourbiz6885 Thirteen percent? So all Blk ppl are responsible for 50 percent of crime in the US? I'm looking at the FBI crime stats. Blks are recorded as committing more murders than Whts, although not by a whole lot. All other categories of crime Wht people are leading, sometimes many more times that of Blks. Interesting though who the face of crime is in this country.

​@@noneofyourbiz6885where is this statistic? What is your source?

​@@Elle-hr3pjThere isn't one. This commenter has their panties in a bunch; leaving troll-like comments galore. The commenter apparently thinks EBT can be used at SAKS; according to their previous comment.

@@noneofyourbiz6885 and let's pretend your kind isn't responsible for the majority of mass shootings and crimes against children

It's about status having the money tp buy high price items

Because black ppl ain’t shi

Exactly 💯

Same thing will happen in walmart. Its not just luxury stores

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

When you’re actually Need help and want to purchase something they’re nowhere to be found when you’re just perusing and window shop and they are all over you insane

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

And call the police.

@@SMincy25 Yup immediately

Wouldn't make a dent in they money

there are nations that are black, go there. yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

​@pclubnetwork If you do some research on the Black consumers spending dollars, you will find out not only can they bankruptcy a company but also cause problems on a city and state levels! Example = The Montgomery boycott , Tommy Hilfiger , Adidas, hair weaves , and so on....

I'm white and wouldn't want to be near the either!

Same

You ain’t lying. I was working in a warehouse and this white country girl was bragging how she pretended to scan food at self checkout and stole it. The Caucasity… 😒

why do stores have bars on the windows and doors to shield them, why do they lock up merchandise to protect from theft.. YOUR KIND... who is guilty of over 50% of the crimes but only ~10% of the population.. YOUR KIND... who is guilty of the most hate crimes.. YOUR KIND.. who gets affirmative action... diversity hires gets jobs based only on color of skin... YOUR KIND... black only tv, stimulus packages, black suprmacy month, I can go on and on and on.. preferential treatment everywhere.. YOUR KIND... you have all of this privelige and still keep crying? It looks like the problem here is you and YOUR KIND.

Stay away if you are going to steal from white owned stores... if you are not a criminal and are going to pay with non-stolen money, you are welcome. if not then you are not allowed to come around our stores. Criminals are not welcome.

That's the worst part when someone that looks like you is willing to harass you for these rich A-s people who don't give a fuc- about you are them.

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

yes, must KEEP showing the stereotype is REAL. OH MY WORD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ALL THE CCTV FOOTAGE ACROSS OUR HOME, USA AND THE GLOBE! WHY DON'T THEY MAKE "THEIR PEOPLE" BE BETTER! ENOUGHT OF THE EXTORTION crap and ...! SMASH N GRABS....are just the main show. because most of them are Still acting like their forever "culture" "I'm Talking to the Man in the Mirror" LOOK AT YOURSELVES.

What stores like blacks? And then answer me what race are 99% of the shoplifters on police footage?????

@@alexander1902 Let me say this again for those in the back of the room. People who shoplift aren't necessarily of one ethnic background, class, religion, age, etc. I worked in retail, and I have seen firsthand people of ALL backgrounds stealing. That footage isn't representative of EVERY person of color in America, and you know it. Again, we are being judged by a FEW as a whole.

@@ThePumpin1 💯🎯

😂 lie

More than likely, it was a lie. Police often use the excuse when profiling Black men is, "You fit the description." No one knows what that description is.

Boycotts, are what Blacks, who had love for their race, and cared about being respected, used effectively then. Today, it wouldn't work, because this generation of derelict, stupid, and self-hating Blacks, could care less about how they, or other Blacks are treated, and will happily shop where they want, because they have no pride, and don't mind the disrespect.

We don't even respect each other... what are you talking about.. 😂🤣🤣

wow!

Exactly! I used to do this. If you are in my space, be helpful.

I don’t judge people as a group! I give everyone the opportunity to get to know me mutually! True Christians don’t judge like that! I hope we can all learn to love & have an open mind about certain situations! Jesus said to love your neighbor. “That’s everyone!” Racist people are gonna find out come judgement day! God does not like hate towards different races of people! We are to Love the person & HATE THE SIN! 🙏🏽👍🤘🏼👋🏻

My pops used to deliver to this Asian owned business and he was so proud of himself that he recognized one of them.

Neither is right and unfortunately no one is protected when messages in advertisements, news stories depict racist mindsets that black people can not be wrong for their belief but growth and education can do much to respect others who are different by continuing Social Studies in our schools and including world history to understand the value all of us have in a society that is diverse.

That doesn't really have anything to do with this.

Shoplifters aren't a race, but one particular race makes up most shoplifters.

How did that happen?

@@GeminiladyJackson-xq6hc I was by our large community pond within my section of condos and then elderly Caucasian man walking his dog was spying on me, so I just waved at him. He continued to watch me from a distance so I just stared at him back, then he finally left. What annoys me is no one from our community ever came to greet us by knocking at our front door as we are new neighbors but some would rather profile me in our own backyard! He didn’t even live in our area, so he was the one actually trespassing! He lives down the street smh. Disgusting behavior. But all you can do is pray for people like that.

@@TheStamps Sadly, racism will never go away.

You may be part of the problem..speak for yourself because I come from a family of hardworking,educated,law abiding citizens with morals…No I’m not perfect,but charity starts at home…Mistaken identity happens,but to say we are all the problem is pathetic…

@@CarlaNelson-dc4vx you may be educated, but you obviously don’t understand stats nor my comment. 😂😂😂

Speak for yourself with that we stuff.

Ignorant

@mikeyseibert1406 Like whites & others don't steal. Whites steal more than anyone especially white collar theft, soo busy watching blacks.

I worked in retail for years. ⬜️⬜️⬜️ people steal and scam all the time. ⬜️⬜️⬜️ nonsense is how stores became vulnerable and everything got out of hand in the first place.