Every Laptop Should Have A Knob! - ASUS Zenbook UX5400 & ProArt H5600
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ASUS sent us two laptops; the ASUS Zenbook UX5400 for everyday work needs and the ASUS ProArt H5600 for the creators out there. The ProArt is rather interesting with a rotary knob, which honestly is something we hope we see more in the future!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 - Intro
0:20 - ASUS Zenbook UX5400 unboxing
0:50 - Zenbook UX5400 impressions
1:59 - ASUS ProArt H5600 unboxing
2:31 - ProArt H5600 impressions
3:33 - Sponsor - Vessi Footwear
3:58 - Trying out the ProArt H5600
4:46 - Trying out the Zenbook UX5400
8:41 - UX5400 specs
9:36 - H5600 display
10:03 - H5600 keyboard and trackpad placement
11:03 - H5600 specs
12:26 - Audio Test - Crab Rave!
15:02 - ASUS Zenbook final thoughts
16:45 - H5600 final thoughts
@paulaguiar3106 2 жыл бұрын
I love how crab rave is being used as a sound test for all the laptops
@jonaslinter 2 жыл бұрын
Probably a licensing thing.
@PixelSheep 2 жыл бұрын
@Quantum dude - be careful - you might already know too much!
@gk2011 2 жыл бұрын
@Not RickRoll 👇ᨆ When will we get a side by side comparison of all the Crab Raves tho?
@SpunkyGo0se 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to ShortCircuit. First time here?
@XiGlove 2 жыл бұрын
@Quantum their intro song on linus tech tips is from the same music label with crab rave
@nen848 2 жыл бұрын
Original Title: "Every Laptop Should Have A Knob" Never knew a dick joke could be executed so smoothly
@graceforged84 2 жыл бұрын
Clever. My lap top has a knob
@CreativityNull 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, they're clam shells... So we're getting into interesting double entendres here with all these cunning linguists
@MrGamelover23 2 жыл бұрын
Current title as well.
@CoasterMan13Official 2 жыл бұрын
My laptop doesn't have a knob (it does, but it's not as big as the one in the video.)
@fuseteam 2 жыл бұрын
it is still the same at the time of writing
@ryanbrunette3870 2 жыл бұрын
Color correction was a bit over done. Some of the red in Alex's skin just straight up turns magenta.
@edzo29 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if anybody else was seeing this. Two of my monitors have bad color, but not *that* bad.
@RichardServello 2 жыл бұрын
I think maybe your screen is overly tuned. I’m watching on an iPad Pro m1 and it looks excellent. All the tones are very natural.
@haydenweir6416 2 жыл бұрын
I’m having the same issues, particularly his hands in shadows during the closeups when he’s talking about the ports. Also, when he pointed out how black the OLED was in the corners, I could distinctly make out that the screen was more grey compared to the black bezels, so I’m not sure what happened with the colour correction here
@real_dddf 2 жыл бұрын
I think he was just bleeding... dry weather causes skin to crack
@randommcranderson5155 2 жыл бұрын
You’re just racist against red people.
@Voltaic_Fire 2 жыл бұрын
More powerful than I'd ever want? No, no, that's not how this works.
@xGaLoSx 2 жыл бұрын
my laptop is super powerful and i almost never use it to it full potential lol
@BillyBraga 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! We have to work on laptops at work, so it's never too powerful!
@Bob-of-Zoid 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly my sentiment! (
@ajmt13 2 жыл бұрын
I used to pronounce ASUS correctly before I "learned' it from Linus when he keeps saying Asooos, thanks Linus
@mineland8220 2 жыл бұрын
For english i think its "Aye sus", but as a non native english speaker i do pronounce it as "A sus" in my lang.
@punkshoo 2 жыл бұрын
Been working in the industry since 1998 and up until the last 5 years or so it had always been commonly "Asooos" everywhere I worked. Until social media platforms came along to educate us I just think us nerds didn't know any better.
@AaronShenghao 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair Asus NA manager (the bulky looking guy) even pronounced it wrong… so I don’t blame him
@emperorblade 2 жыл бұрын
He also says Cjuupon instead of Coupon
@Engkushaini 2 жыл бұрын
A sus
@kikmi1900 2 жыл бұрын
Is this video like hyper saturated or am I high? Alex's finger nails looks like he dove in to the world of the pink fairies, but with vigor
@litapd311 2 жыл бұрын
i thought he was bleeding from his fingernails before i realized it was the colors being weird
@HowardYing1 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's mostly the b cam that's off to the side, cause from the wide cam, all the colors look fine.
@mini9503 2 жыл бұрын
@Nom You watch YT videos on TV?
@orangy57 2 жыл бұрын
ltt videos have been hyper-saturated for like 3 years but this vid seems even brighter
@TheWunder 2 жыл бұрын
@@mini9503 plenty of people do. Is that weird? Most TVs have KZfaq built in nowadays
@joshcharlebois5264 2 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of having a knob to like zoom in and out when doing CAD modelling.
@firstNamelastName-ho6lv Жыл бұрын
The middle mouse button is also awesome for CAD
@nickgreene5301 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a full laptop roundup for a range of different budgets and use cases done on LTT
@brettbaker7049 Жыл бұрын
This ☝️
@megacartfr 2 жыл бұрын
The ASUS Zenbook 14X actually has a touchscreen option with the OLED screen (both the AMD and Intel version)
@jeroenvermunt3372 2 жыл бұрын
True, I'm thinking about etting the ryzen 9 version with touch screen
@MadsonOnTheWeb 2 жыл бұрын
"Every Laptop Should Have A Knob!" Strongly agree with that statement
@KnobFeel 2 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@nahhImBetter 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously agreed
@foreverd4nk796 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree
@IbbiAhmed 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree
@tardvandecluntproductions1278 2 жыл бұрын
As someone that never uses them. Never have had one in my way so I see no reason why not.
@Hi_Its_Akira 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Crab Rave is now the official LMG sound test
@PixelSheep 2 жыл бұрын
It always has been and it's truly beautiful :D
@Rockmaster867 2 жыл бұрын
It got highs, it got base, it got crabs, it got everything
@PixelSheep 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rockmaster867 so true!
@SpunkyGo0se 2 жыл бұрын
Copied comment, nice! 😃
@ExtraWasabi 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder when did they switch from supernova to crab rave
@matu1181 2 жыл бұрын
Alex, thank you for taking the little tip about muting instead of pausing when showcasing audio
@britishthought4018 2 жыл бұрын
I have the UX345 and I love it, the trackpad is good for watching videos while writing I find. You get used to that keyboard after an hour or two.
@PapaJuan 2 жыл бұрын
I currently have the older version of the zen book and I use the touch pad display all the time. It is especially helpfully in class, cause you can put notes on it, and instantly with a three finger tap, make the touchpad goes black. Plus it’s nice for music apps.
@PabloR277 2 жыл бұрын
Its not cheating, it’s resourceful
@SrikarMaddula 2 жыл бұрын
I still feel it's a niche use case
@nawarelsabaa 2 жыл бұрын
The XPS 15 blows my mind more and more every time Alex compares it with anything else. The small one comes very close though!
@dav2mai 2 жыл бұрын
*Linus uses 2 hands on touchpads?!* Well I'm glad that he can't review laptops anymore /s
@KhromTX 2 жыл бұрын
>ShortCircuit >18 minutes long You were suppose to be the chosen one!
@AlexWent 2 жыл бұрын
Your remarks on astigmatism and OLED screens are welcome. I have always had this problem and am hoping that there will be some solution as more and more screens go this way. As you say, the problem is more acute when reading text on white backgrounds. If IPS screens ever disappear completely, my job as a writer and editor could be numbered.
@richardrisner921 2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the sound profiles on the speakers are usually changed by a software layer, such as Dolby compression, which will affect how things sound through the speakers. A lot of the difference that came through KZfaq compression over to me sounded like it was just a different profile of how the systems compressed and amplified the middle frequencies vs. low and high frequencies.
@gamechep 2 жыл бұрын
My god, the editor is having a field day with the editing and I love it 🤣
@beezrow 2 жыл бұрын
No 💩 lol
@V0r1c 2 жыл бұрын
7:00 - Those keys are something quite useful for code editing where you have to navigate a lot instead of just type. It is very frustrating that most laptops are made with keyboards with Page up/down, home and end combined with the arrow keys which they also make smaller. I'm not sure if anyone else would agree but I'd like to see you include such things in your reviews. Maybe make a video about good laptops for software developers?
@kaneki1056 2 жыл бұрын
16:13 i can really hear james pumphrey screaming GIVE IT THE BEANS from here
@gabrielevento6527 2 жыл бұрын
Ahaha yeah
@maxil6191 2 жыл бұрын
I'm noticing a large difference in quality to your content over the last few months good on yall keep up the good work. From meme channel to my favorite tech tuber, love yall thanks for the quality vidoes im glad to have a one stop shop for tech.
@bastosluis244 2 жыл бұрын
The sound looks like a matter of EQ it, one of them has more high-end, the other is more middle focused
@masterpig5s 2 жыл бұрын
This means we can play Doom on the trackpad
@ericg9107 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Asus ZenBook 14 (no touch screen trackpad but mine has the numpad with LEDs) i7 1165G7 and 16gb ram it's the best laptop I've ever owned. Very happy with it
@ItsPikablu 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the bright red arrow and highlighting, I wouldn't have been able to see the knob with you only literally pointing at it.
@CerealKiIIer 2 жыл бұрын
Assign the middle and right trackpad buttons to left and right click. Use the left one for a custom function.
@OniResurrect 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Sony vaio with a Jog dial as they called it it was used for media function and quick navigation for the start menu. Knew laptops needed a knob back in 2000 glad to hear it now.
@TheSakuraGumiLTD 2 жыл бұрын
The rotary knob is great for way scrolling when doing productive things…. Scroll and still able to move the mouse would make flow on the computer so easy for everything… even business stuff
@conflictfree88 2 жыл бұрын
The editing on this episode is God damn perfection
@joecarl5473 2 жыл бұрын
Knobs are the best!!! Ever since I had my first little red knob I was hooked!!!
@NeverlandSystemZor 2 жыл бұрын
It amazes me that laptops lack a button to disable the trackpad and it's buttons. That used to be common to avoid the accidental tap/drag from the palms. I LOVED that on several laptops I used to have... along with "automatically disabled with mouse plugged in". IMHO these should be essential features for laptops, especially with massive trackpads we see today.
@denvera1g1 2 жыл бұрын
10:43 You can have palm rejectoion for a click, as long as the palm is also touching the track pad, or if there is capaicitive sensors where your palm would rest on the palmrest while typing, making the physical buttons inactive My guess is that the reason these were included is because its hard to be precise with a trackpad, and even harder to have a precice click with a trackpad without moving the mouse when you click
@tmboz18 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Flow X13 with the 3050Ti (no egpu) and I absolutely love it. I do loads of writing on my device and I can also run CAD and games well.
@technologynewsreviews200 2 жыл бұрын
I think there was more to that touch screen pad,maybe in gaming it has graphic buttons(4×4) or being able to swipe through your weapons, video or music production be able map your own board, be able to swipe LR select and UD to adjust.
@boffyboydj 2 жыл бұрын
Holy sheez, I never knew about that palm retention stuff until now, my Elitebook seems to be doing it well.
@Clove_Parma 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the display under the touchpad would be more useful with a wireless mouse so you could assign app specific macro keys to it. At least then you can get some benefit from it?
@SvenMazet1973 2 жыл бұрын
regarding the mousepad screen on the Zenbook: at work, where I'm docked with mouse and keyboard, I use that screen as my "inbox" screen... something I need opened but not taking up other screen space ;-) (I have the previous version of the Zenbook)
@DeclanCunningham 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Lenovo legion 5 pro and while it has the number pad on the right shifting the main keys to the left, they also shifted the entire track pad to the left to be centered under the space bar.
@yourtechweekeveryweek6321 2 жыл бұрын
I have a slightly lower end zenbook with a MX350 and a 4500U and I’m extremely happy with it!!! Extremely low temps even when gaming and a great battery life! And don’t tell anyone. But it can run battlefield 5 on low settings, shhhhh don’t tell the enthusiasts a budget laptop can run AAA games
@SapioiT 2 жыл бұрын
I also want more laptops with dual-screen like the Zephyrus Duo (aka. ROG Duo), but I'd like them to have 2 joysticks per laptop (joysticks like the ThinkPad's knobs, not like the rotating knob of the laptop in this video). to be gaming-ready. A knob can be to the left of the Up key and above the Left key (or to the right of the Up key and above the Right key if you have a numpad without the trackpad), and the other between Esc and the ~ key, or you could have the Esc moved to the right, to make room for the joystick. This way, laptops could double as pseudo-consoles, and using FN keys one could turn each joystick individually into either an analog controller, a cursor, or a scroll (both up-down and left-right). Please mention this in a few videos, so laptop manufacturers and keyboard manufacturers start doing that.
@Thisandthat8908 Жыл бұрын
You can enjoy the knob doubly, because of the mirror you and it look at all the time.
@DigitalJedi 2 жыл бұрын
I hadn't really heard of the MX450 before this video, so I did some digging. It's apparently similar to the GTX 1650 max-Q, but with a 64 bit memory bus and a TGP of 12W to about 30W. It uses a PCIE gen 4 x4 link. It should be between the mobile 1050 and 1650 in performance.
@mini9503 2 жыл бұрын
It's not. This is MX450 "Max-Q" version which is roughly 10% better than Intel XE Integrated GPU.
@DigitalJedi 2 жыл бұрын
@@mini9503 So this is the 12W version then. I didn't expect that to have much behind it, but 30W (28.5ish) seems ok.
@mini9503 2 жыл бұрын
@@DigitalJedi Right, but according to Notebookcheck there are no known laptops that use the 30W version of MX450, they are all 10W with half the cores and half the speed. I think it's not an improvement over the igpu.
@TesseractileDysfunction 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love a nice set of knobs
@itsdeonlol 2 жыл бұрын
Alex is a LEGEND when it comes to unboxing laptops!!!!
@sonicjhiq 2 жыл бұрын
tbh I hook up a mouse to all my personal laptops so a track pad being good or bad doesn't matter to me
@shannonmcconnell9203 2 жыл бұрын
Finally looked up the Crab Rave song with my Bose and Sub Woofer to find out what it is really supposed to sound like. Thumbs up!
@charlieroebuck4240 2 жыл бұрын
That ProArt laptop is 1999USD for that many features. That's crazy value for what it's packing.
@denvera1g1 2 жыл бұрын
Like, that little trackpad screen, can EASILY be great for a dedicated chat window
@kudlatyplaygames 2 жыл бұрын
In the zenbook the touchpad can be used as a second display if you look at the settings
@antonlee0 2 жыл бұрын
10:17 could've moved trackpad to the right here so it would be under arrow and num keys
@joebizzarro2054 2 жыл бұрын
Reflection on the screen is brutal. You hands were SO visible.
@regwsx 2 жыл бұрын
cool shoes ad! apperciate that they're so minimal ;] First ad that I commented on since the beginning of youtube :O @ShortCircuit Thumbs Up!
@saturnotaku 2 жыл бұрын
3840x2400 is just 4K at a 16:10 aspect ratio. Nothing weird at all about it considering that this has been available on the Dell XPS line going on two years now.
@yuvrajsingh099 2 жыл бұрын
Alex is now the official laptop guy in LTT. Good to see variations of different people rather than only linus.
@zizimugen4470 2 жыл бұрын
Knobs/wheels should’ve been standard on a lot of things ever since the Corsair k70.
@galgrunfeld9954 2 жыл бұрын
My dekstop keyboard also has a knob-like wheel. And unsurprisingly, it was also made by Ay-soos.
@nishanthvemula3852 2 жыл бұрын
It's really a big surprise how they screwed up the speakers on the bigger one but got it so good with smaller one.
@robertm9906 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's just me, but does Alex's finger tips look like they are red when unboxing and handling the laptops? I never noticed that before and it stands out in this video.
@spontanioussponge 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see a premium laptop with a trackpad and buttons instead of a rotten clickpad, and I love the knob. Wish it wasn't super premium professional material though so I could justify it.
@DanielVDGarde 2 жыл бұрын
The Fujitsu Lifebook s760 had an extra round touchpad that was specially meant for scrolling. That was 10 years ago!
@coffeepup4107 2 жыл бұрын
The only workplace you could call out "Cut his hands off", talking about your boss, and to be completely okay xD
@marcus.carreira 2 жыл бұрын
OLED trackpad would be good if you're using a mouse and need macro shortcuts like what you see in an Elgato Streamdeck or external keypad. Definitely concerned about burn-in with static images though.
@SlyMcfly 2 жыл бұрын
I own the Asus pro art with a Quadro 3000, definitely upgrading to the new pro art! The screen is 16:10? That's amazing!
@fairyball3929 2 жыл бұрын
A 3:4 display?
@SlyMcfly 2 жыл бұрын
@@fairyball3929 aspect ratio. So it's not a traditional 16:9. So you get a taller 4k display and supposedly it's the first oled display of it's kind. Kind of impractical. But for design work, in my eyes it's great.
@fairyball3929 2 жыл бұрын
@@SlyMcfly For portrait works? Huh, I didn't think there would be a market for such equipment, but, neat.
@SlyMcfly 2 жыл бұрын
@@fairyball3929 it's just the size difference that helps having a taller screen helps with more multitasking vs for video consumption. It's basically why all the surface models come with that same aspect ratio. For business it's awesome, for gaming not so much. Combine that with the color accuracy that the pro art series have and you get an on paper amazing display and workstation laptop.
@fairyball3929 2 жыл бұрын
@@SlyMcfly I would imagine that extra vertical space would be handy. BTW, just curious, did you mean to type 3:2 instead of 3:4? 😯
@paulpietschinski3282 2 жыл бұрын
I like this guy, I wish he did more videos. Speaking of videos, when the hell is Linus gonna do another PC build stream.
@srdjanrudic 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding Home, End, Pg up, Pg dn buttons... They are super useful as a separate keys and not as a function-arrow combo, especially if you do programming on a laptop. For me personally, if a laptop doesn't have these, it is a deal-breaker, no matter the specs and price. I am glad to see some companies, especially HP and Asus keeping these as a separate buttons. I know that Alex mentioned a couple of times how he doesn't like this because the keyboard is slightly moved to the left, but this is VERY important to some people.
@darknessblades 2 жыл бұрын
regarding the touchpad. The ASUS N76VZ had a option that you could disable it. but due driver issues with windows 10 this is not possible anymore
@gamethecupdog 2 жыл бұрын
5:36 It looks like it's using the trackpad as a second monitor. If you tried, you could probably bring a program down to it lol
@azuthal 2 жыл бұрын
love how its so hard it find a place to buy these laptops if you wanted one
@SirDragonClaw 2 жыл бұрын
Many of the things that you don't like about those laptops are the entire reason why I like those laptops. For instance the 3 physical buttons and keyboard layout look like they might actually make portable game development viable.
@beetman26 2 жыл бұрын
ProArt Studiobook 16 also has 2K 120Hz LCD version and at about the same price of M16 here, WOW!
@kil98q 2 жыл бұрын
I like that oled trackpad if you plugin a mouse its useful for other things c: seconds screens are very usefull
@Saturn2888 2 жыл бұрын
Did you use some sort of chroma keying or something else in this video? The quality's really off for me and there's a lot of shimmering. The blues have especially high saturation.
@sorenslothe 2 жыл бұрын
A surprising amount of computers already do have knobs. They're mostly positioned about 40cm from the screen.
@mini9503 2 жыл бұрын
What? I can't read ur comment my screen is blurry
@AnsonChiu 2 жыл бұрын
you had me at T-Rex arm thang...
@FlergerBergitydersh 2 жыл бұрын
I can see the lower screen being useful when you have a mouse plugged in. You could use it as extra real estate for video editing like that, which is probably why you can bring the cursor down there. I imagine having a hotbar for Photoshop or something you can touch might also be useful, and you could use it for fine control in certain applications like with the knob on the larger one. While using it as a trackpad, it might be useful for quick shortcuts, and control of background tasks while in a fullscreen task on the main screen. It really should automatically disable moving the cursor to the trackpad screen unless you have a mouse plugged in, though. There is no reason you'd ever want to bring the cursor down there while your meaty paws are covering it, and I can imagine losing track of the cursor sometimes when you accidentally move the cursor down there. I'm pretty sure certain types of OLEDs can have a dirty screen effect that is easily noticeable to anyone, but it depends on the unit. Having dirty areas that are only visible in certain shades is just an OLED thing, thought I guess it would be more prevalent on OLEDs with smaller pixels, like laptops and handheld devices. Personally, I have only seen this effect on my PSVita. Not that LCD's don't have their own screen uniformity issues, but they tend to be different.
@Validole 2 жыл бұрын
You're maybe a bit too sure a full-size SD card slot is better. Many point-and-shoots use microSD. For me, working with raspberrys and arduinos, there is the constant search for the adapter, can't leave it in as it tends to come out when I bag the laptop (enough pressure to activate the clicky ejection mechanism). I'd very much prefer the micro-sd slot, don't remember when I last needed a full-size one.
@RabterPlaying 2 жыл бұрын
You used the music of the channel Thech Ingrediants at min 6:00 btw. are you testing their thermal compound over at LTT?
@ylandry0783 2 жыл бұрын
That 14 inch laptop would have been a very solid choice if they put something like a 3050 class card instead of the mx.
@kevinprimex 2 жыл бұрын
I swear ASUS makes the best downfiring speakers, bounces off the table and amplifies the sound like crazy
@WhiteyHD 2 жыл бұрын
Are you guys going to do a video on the new Dell Inspiron Plus models?
@vikaskushwaha9307 2 жыл бұрын
The wheel works properly as seen in D2D video
@dreadisdarkore2703 2 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to tell the editor about sound equalization. that vessi spot was super loud
@RayanMADAO 2 жыл бұрын
Does LTT get to keep these samples sent to them?
@adeebmomen4541 2 жыл бұрын
Is the Zenbook not released yet? Where can I buy it in the US?
@YearsOfLeadPoisoning 2 жыл бұрын
They have touchpads with screens now!? Holy moly.
@MutinyInteractive 2 жыл бұрын
You guys really should’ve done the ProArt STUDIOBOOK 16 OLED (W7600) version from Intel with the Xeon & Quadro A5000 with 64GB ECC in it
@MitgliedT5 2 жыл бұрын
When a "Short"-Circuit Video is longer than an actual LTT Video 😆
@AlexNZL 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that black looks so much better than my laptop
@piotrb7315 2 жыл бұрын
Any chance to compare it to a great Acer Conceptd 5 pro ver.2022, full review, thermals etc
@mwaithephoto 2 жыл бұрын
I’m definitely getting the ProArt
@zoeyharshman2658 Жыл бұрын
You've gotta be able to remap that touch pad cause I feel like about 60% of people would vastly prefer the first two buttons to be left and right and the third to be middle mouse click and only about 40% preferring the middle button to actually be middle mouse click
@FlorinArjocu 2 жыл бұрын
How does OLED do with fixed images, toolbars etc.? Are they ok nowadays, is there no screen burn?
@YouAreBreathing 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to get a higher-end Asus ZenBook computer, but they were sold out when I went shopping a couple months ago. I wish Asus would have more supplies ready to be shipped (I eventually got a Asus ROG laptop locally).
@LTAlter8 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you're about to do the Zenbook Pro Duo OLED
@catoftruth1044 2 жыл бұрын
8:24 i like that LINUS toy on the shelf where can you buy it
@Ambrose_44 11 ай бұрын
The 14x here in South Africa is a 2.8k oled touch screen
@tossancuyota7848 2 жыл бұрын
that knob is more useful than it looks like specialy for artist video editors and gamers as well
@helloSanders 2 жыл бұрын
should get a laptop with a less funky layout and get an external knobber?
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