Closeup looks at the Weatherby Orion Sporting and Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon, both in 12 gauge.
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@georgetheyokel Жыл бұрын
I did some research on this gun before finally buying it. This video was very helpful for me and I believe it has served many other potential buyers in the past and will keep serving people in the future. Therefore, I would like to share my two cents here. This gun shoots very well in the clay range. Recoil is definitely lighter than my two semi autos (one gas, one inertia.) Since I had got used to the front-heavy semi autos, some practice was needed for me to adjust swing smoothness. For single trap, I took turn to shoot upper and lower barrel. Neither ever gave me any problem of breaking, as some other people reported. Also, my barrel selection button is not that loose at all. Although I have to say it's not a very solid snap-in either, it would definitely not be switched by a careless touch or whisk. During the cleaning after the first clay shooting day, I did the "once-a-year maintenance" by taking the receiver and stock apart, and found that there was some half-dried dark brown axial grease on the trigger-receiver system. The grease is the best solution for the manufacturer to protect the parts from rust during who-knows-how-many-years' storage in all possible climates. However, it is not good for regular operation and may cause issues. especially in very dusty or cold environments. I cleaned all the grease and applied very lightly some gun oil. In the process, I also found that the main bolt holding the receiver to the stock was very loosely tightened. If not corrected, this will also give problems in the long run. So, my suggestion to every owner is that you should take apart the stock and receiver and do a thorough cleaning. Some previous comments mentioned that the gun was $750 at Scheels only 3 years ago. Now it's $1,099 listed there. I bought it around the same price range. It seems firearms have much higher price increases than the average post-pandemic inflation rate. There is one article on the internet (shootingsportsman.com/weatherby-orion-sporting/) saying that ATA (the Turkish company that actually builds this gun for Weatherby) takes pride in its “unconditional service” even in the case of the “slightest problem including exported products.” I don't know how to proceed should any problem show up. Some other people on the internet mentioned that Weatherby's customer service leaves much to be desired. As time goes by, we will have a better idea on this when more and more guns need new parts and services.
@samesaw Жыл бұрын
Beautiful clean organized shop. Impressive sir.
@jefffetgatter49604 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the type of info I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to make this comparison video.
@ronstar88573 жыл бұрын
Very unbiased review. Thank you for putting the video together. Great job!
@sjwegener4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the video. Just ordered the Orion Sporting myself. I appreciate your take on its features.
@joseffroula74152 жыл бұрын
Outstanding comparison and review. Thank you!
@killerb57264 жыл бұрын
I have the Orion in the non sporting and agree with everything you said. Mine isn’t as soft shooting as yours because it isn’t back bored and I mine is lighter, but it isn’t bad. I paid, shipped thru an ffa around $550. Wish it opened a little easier but I’m use to it now and honestly, couldn’t be happier. Good job on the review.
@howtobeatadrum2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your brilliant insight into how important the location of a company is in regards to the quality of a gun
@ross76843 жыл бұрын
Orion is a great gun for the money; retailing locally for $750 for the Orion I, $799 for the not so pretty matte finish, and $899 for the sporting. For me it points better than my Browning. I do agree the safety/barrel selector needs to be tightened up as it is sloppy and could easily be bumped to change which barrel shoots first.
@mijoizagas37479 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, I really like listening to your review on both guns. I decided on the silver pigeon myself but the weatherby I’m sure is also pretty good. Thanks again!
@kathyparker8626 Жыл бұрын
I own 2 Browning's one being a 725. Had the opportunity to shoot a friends Orion and was totally impressed. I agree and don't know why but it did have less recoil than my 725. It felt just right I would not hesitate buying one at the price point.
@avocado97633 жыл бұрын
That Weatherby is beautiful.
@TheBeertruck854 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@kindagitnrdoneinvermont60574 жыл бұрын
Nice review, thanks
@camaro69green313 ай бұрын
Great review. Thank You.
@jeffreyammermann32473 жыл бұрын
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Turkish Orion. I had a matching set of the Weatherby Orion 2 Italian 20 O/U and the Italian 12 O/U. I stupidly traded in the 12 for a DPMS AR -15. I will never trade in a gun to get another gun again. I happened to buy my son a lefty model Franchi Affinity 3 and low and behold I saw a Weatherby 12 gauge Orion on display. I bought it as well and I am very pleased. It is very similar to the Weatherby / Italian 20 O/U. For the price it cannot be beat. $800 compared to the original 1300 that I paid over 15 years ago.
@recon9mm Жыл бұрын
Have you owned the Turkish? Night and day with the Italian made far superior to the turkish.
@paulomedeiros62843 жыл бұрын
2 big guns 👍👍🇵🇹
@davejones672 жыл бұрын
You can move the trigger pin to lighten trigger pull.
@SierraYankee74 жыл бұрын
For the price, the Orion looks like a good bang for the buck weapon.
@davejones672 жыл бұрын
Beretta wood was more proud. Schnabel fore end is the word you were looking for. Just ordered a Weatherby.
@cameronbanks5817 Жыл бұрын
It might break in, but the barrel select on my Weatherby isn't loose at all. I don't bird hunt much, so was more than happy to pay $850 for an O/U with decent reviews.
@DWhite-el4ih3 жыл бұрын
What an internal debate I had with myself over purchasing this gun (Orion sporter) vs. the 686 sporter vs. the Browning CXS. I happened to be at the range one day when a guy showed up with one of these weatherbys and we got to talking about it, he let me shoot a round of skeet with it. The thing functioned, handled, and was put together seemingly flawlessly. My local sportsmans had it listed for $989.99. It really did seem like a bargain. Before buying I went to a local clays field that offers many of their for sale guns, for rent to people who want to try before they buy. I shot both the 686 sporter and the Browning CXS. After a little over 100 clays the Beretta was calling to me. I have to admit that out of all them, they all fit and shot very well for me. The Browning rental was VERY stiff. Granted these guns are obviously used and abused but for a rental this thing required some force to break open after presumably thousands of rounds through it. It also felt slightly heavier which I wasn't a fan of. The browning definitely had the superior trigger, however. The Beretta was smooth, sleek, elegant, and fit me like a glove when mounting. Not to mention that action was slick when opening and operation of the gun was effortless. The person told me that gun had at least 20,000 cartridges through it and the lock up was still tight as when it was new. All in all the Beretta just had the styling that appealed to me more than the others. There is also the fact that Berettas have been in the business for literally longer than anyone and their products are tried and true work horses. As someone who plans on keeping this gun for many years to come, I didn't want to risk dumping $1000 into a gun that may or may not fail on me before I was ready for it to. I realize that the Orion brand has been around for a long time but this particular gun has not as far as I know. I ponied up the extra grand and left with a beautiful 686 sporter that I hope to shoot thousands of rounds through over the next couple of decades or more. This was a good review so thanks for that.
@anothemexipino59423 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great review!! I have the Weatherby Element and prefer the feel of my mother's Beretta's Silver Pigeon. I'm only a college student so I can't quite afford the pigeon but wanted a similar action. I'm looking to trade my Element for an O/U and I believe I found the one I will opt for
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@mariadebellis41503 жыл бұрын
sir can you tell the difference when shooting the upper and lower barrel on the orion ? my when i fired the lower barrel is hard to open the action the top is fine and the you ever look the front of the reciver of the orion?
@SirMactheSac3 жыл бұрын
I have an older Weatherby from what seems to be the late 80’s early 90’s, it’s Japanese made and it’s a much higher quality in my opinion, it has the name on the chamber instead of the side of the action and has the traditional latch on the bottom of the forend which is much slimmer and less “pregnant”. Overall it is just better than their modern counterparts in looks and functionality.
@richardsveum8452 Жыл бұрын
The older guns were made by SKB in Japan and were fine shotguns, Time will tell how well the Turkish Wetherby's will hold up.
@mijoizagas37479 ай бұрын
I also was told that the earlier weatherbys were better guns but you’re right though, time will tell.
@mainemonty4 жыл бұрын
I am a lefty...does the orion have a neutral cast? thanks for the video
@mewolf13 жыл бұрын
Called today, they said it is neutral
@tarasherman493 жыл бұрын
Great vid. I just ordered a Weatherby Orion online, which brought me here. One observation, the fit between stock and receiver on the Beretta looks questionable. Around the 4 minute mark, your video shows a good deal of diversion between the wood and metal at the stock and receiver union. I would expect better from a Silver Pigeon, especially for the price.
@GoDaveGo3 жыл бұрын
Me too. People complain about cheaper o/u, but when I’ve handled the silver pigeon, the wood is proud, too. The forearm up next to the joint looks VERY proud in pictures, but I didn’t check that in person on the Beretta
@DWhite-el4ih3 жыл бұрын
It's not too bad. Never notice it on mine myself. The parts are built oversized for ease of exchangeability. You can buy pretty much any part of the gun from Beretta and swap it out yourself with little to no hand fitting. If the stocks were all hand fit to the gun exchanging parts like the stock and fore end would require more hand fitting to account for differences in stock dimensions.
@ek86524 жыл бұрын
SnowLothar would you recommend the Orion as a good alternative to the Berretta? I’d love to get the Silver Pigeon but can’t afford it. I’m considering the standard Orion over the sporting model. Seems like the best over under shotgun for under $1000.
@hickbilly14 жыл бұрын
I have the Orion sporting and prefer it over my buddies Beretta for shooting trap.
@scott65904 жыл бұрын
thanks for the orion info. ordered orion sport last week for 733$ anxious for it to arrive
@mainemonty4 жыл бұрын
where did u buy it for $733? thanks
@jaxtonrobinson41813 жыл бұрын
@@mainemonty i just bought one today for $750 at Scheels
@mp40jager2 жыл бұрын
The Orion is a copy of the SKB or are they the same as a beretta?
@Ghuarocc Жыл бұрын
Hi there, how has the Orion faired since this video? I have been scared off by forums about buying anything made in Turkey, but it seems you got it good one.
@papabear44413 жыл бұрын
Hi, How heavy trigger pull from Weatherby orion sporting?
@GoDaveGo3 жыл бұрын
He said 6 on the bottom and 5 for top barrel
@mariadebellis41503 жыл бұрын
sir in my opinion the orion as a disign and manufactures difect if you look the face of the receiver the lower shell does not sit 100 per cent on the face of the receiver but only 40 per cent because of the recess angle on the face of the receiver that is wrong the marking of the shells as to be the same on the face of the receiver
@jasonlara19432 жыл бұрын
to me i ask myself why is the beretta worth another 2500? the wood is not that nice and I really dont care about ingraving.
@anthonyrussomanno1540 Жыл бұрын
I’ll take the weatherby I’m not a fan of Beretta at all I’ve owned 3 all of them were new warranty is non existent one was a silver pigeon ejectors were terrible the safety was super stiff better yet get a browning