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Personally I would like to see Rocket's new team pop up in various crossover movies and remain as a fixture of the universe going forward but never receive their own movie

I hope this is the end. They flew away into the forever and beautiful sky...thats the perfect end to the trilogy

I will say that Volume III made me appreciate our world's creatures in a way I never could've imagined. Really beautiful.

As per the car door scene, nebula learning about earth normality with starlord would be a lot of fun

Guardians is by far the best franchise in the MCU in my opinion. Sad to see it end but I’m also content with 3 great movies and a fun holiday special.

I’m curious what they’ll do with Quill, they say he’ll return, maybe a Star-Lord solo movie, him joining the Earth based Avengers, I’m very curious

I don’t know if I need another Guardians film or even any spin-offs, however I would love to see these characters in more team-up projects like the Avengers movies. I could even see Peter Quill joining up with the current team of Avengers as it seems like the best place he could professionally fit in on Earth.

My money's on Quill being a supporting character in a Nova project. I'm sure they'll get to the character eventually, and with him being from earth it makes sense to pair him with someone who's been through a cosmic journey already.

In the original Star Lord comics, he had a ship called "Ship," which was actually a sentient being. She could take the form of a spaceship or a woman. I think it would be interesting if, after making his peace with his grandfather, Quill is visited by this mysterious woman, sent by Mantis to retrieve him. Mantis has come into the acquaintance of a certain silver guy who is being chased by a malevolent force (this is also sort of based on a run of Marvel Comics). Dunno, but there are threads they could pull on (after the writers strike).

Took me a while to realize the child Guardian at the end was Quasar. Which, if they ever get Quill back, brings the Guardians lineup closer to that one Earth’s Mightiest Heroes episode (i.e. my first introduction to the Guardians).

I just figured that “The Legendary Star-Lord Will Return” was alluding to an appearance in The Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars. Same with the new Guardians team. I don’t really think we’ll get a new film/show with this characters, at least not in this saga, but I do think they’ll show up in the Avengers films at the end

If this is the end then I think it's best to keep the Guardians retired. If a movie with the new Guardians is called upon I hope someone follows James Gunns example while reigning in some of the Marvel writers worst impulses.

My heart wants more GotG,.. But 3 was just so emotional and honestly just perfect,..I kinda think they should just leave it alone. Of course I would get excited if they announced more films for the series, but they would likely suffer from the inevitable and justified comparisons to Gunn’s masterpiece of a trilogy.

I doubt the MCU producers would let it happen, but I also like the idea of a Peter Quill mini-series about him adjusting to Earth life with a compelling story about his family, sans a final battle with shooting and explosions. He seems tired of shooting and saving the day

I definitely think we'll see mantis again. I think she'd work great as a cameo in another space-based movie, and that seems to be what they've set up for her. I think the point of the mid credits scene was sort of like an epilogue to show that the guardians are still out there, but I don't expect to see them again. It would be nice to see Peter interact with some of the younger earth-based characters like spiderman and his friends, or shuri and riri, because he left earth when he was so young and it would be cute to see him absorbing modern pop culture from their point of view

I think we can easily see Rocket and Groot again as they are such fan favorites plus it’s easy to keep them around since they are cg creations. How they will appear I’m not sure but if another guardians movie were to happen this new team I’m not entirely sold on yet. If they throw nova on there though, that could make things interesting

Vol 3 felt like the Marvel of old. Also feels like the last dying gasp of that old, good MCU. It was a good epilogue to End Game. I think it should be left as the end of the Guardians series. I'd rather it end on a high rather than go on to be ruined like most of the rest of the MCU.

I think the Guardians of the Galaxy game proves that another writer can nail the vibe of the films/comics but can add their own twist to it. I loved the story in that game, and some even say it's better than the movies.

I like the uncertainty of their future, it gives us so many possibilities. I also definitely think we should have a long break until we get back to them.

I would love to see more of several of the characters. Rocket and Groot firstly, Adam Warlock would be cool, a Mantis spin-off like ScreenCrush predicted… and of course I would watch a Starlord standalone feature. But you’ve made the important point here: no matter what story they decide to do, if they don’t get the characters right, it won’t matter it won’t be good. They have to get the characters right, everything else is secondary.

I think the characters who make up Rocket's new team are the ones least likely to return; their spot in the ending montage had a very "and they all adventured happily ever after" feel to it (which is as close to Marvel usually ever gets to giving characters an ending). That speech at the end of "Love and Thunder" had a similar vibe to it.

When Quill does eventually return, I want to see him find love like the love he lost in the past. I want his story to end happily.

If any of the Guardians do return, I honestly would be interested in seeing Bill Hader write/direct whatever they’re in. After watching Barry and seeing his balance of comedy and powerful dramatic moments, as well as action, I think he’d be a great choice.

It should be mentioned that whether these hypothetical movies happen at all depends on who is willing to stay and do them. Zoe Saldana made it quite clear that she's done playing Gamora, and It's been reported many times that James Gunn is willing to bring along the cast and people from these movies to the DCU, although there's no reason actors couldn't take on both roles at that point it becomes a scheduling issue. There is always the option to recast the characters, however, that would bring on a whole lot of problems for these characters that have been so beloved for a soon-to-be decade. So going back to what you said, this is Disney, probably going to bite the bullet and keep this train of theirs going like the rest, for better and worse.

I think Star-Lord could team up with Dane Whitman, The Black Knight. Dane needs to go find the Eternals in space and Star-Lord can get him there. It’s possible Quil is famous on Earth. He must have met Antman after End Game and Antman has a podcast that he could talk about Star-Lord. Dane seeks out Quil to take him to space.

James Gunn and Dave Baurista wanted to do a Mantis and Drax movie that got canned. And after seeing Vol 3 and the Holiday Special, we were robbed! 😭

If they do continue, I’d want it to be what Gunn said. Something that someone brings something very specific and different and doesn’t feel like something copying Gunn’s voice. The only story I’d like to see Star Lord would return would be one as a nurse. Helping people, but in a very different way. It also be a nice call back to the first movie where he was understandably uncomfortable in the hospital.

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I understand that rocket has already been incredibly explored, but if they do it right he would be more of a gateway into a new trilogy, which would 100 percent need to feel different from Gunn but still maintain the same core of family. I’m skeptical of the new team but I do think it has potential, especially if Star-lord returns to the guardians

I really feel as though they are done with the guardians characters and the way they will appear again is through avengers type movies. The guardians movies are my favourite movies but I was really hoping for all the characters to be sent off in a heroic/ conclusive ending and it’s sad to see they’ll be nostalgia bate in future movies

I'd love to see Noah Hawley use the mid-credits Guardians team to do his take on the Starlin Warlock saga.

The only thing that I think could work right now is an animated series with the new guardians lineup. Something in the style of bad batch maybe. But I really think that they should take a break a break from the guardians. It was James Gunn's passion project so nothing can come close to his trilogy

I think when they said Starlord will return, they just meant he’ll show up in the next Avengers or something, which might take place on Earth. I don’t think another movie will be made with him as the lead. A Disney+ show involving Rocket would be cool though. My favorite parts from Vol 3 wasn’t the fight scenes, but rather, it was the interactions between the characters. I just want a lighthearted slice-of-life show with Rocket and the new Guardians.

I feel like the Guardians are done unless they appear in Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.

More Guardians of the Galaxy films with the group shown in the mid-credits scene would be fine with me. The most important thing would be to respect the way Rocket and Kraglin have been written up until now. Their characters have to be consistent. The others in the group are pretty new, so there's more freedom there to craft them. It is true also that Rocket's story feels pretty complete now, as is the case with all the Guardians. Gunn did an outstanding job with that. So seeing more of them may feel a bit superfluous. Personally, I can't get enough of Rocket and I'd love to see him again. Ideally, we wouldn't see him for a few years and another MCU hero on a cosmic adventure would just happen across him, making a nice crowd-pleasing surprise. We'll see what they do. Above all, as I already said, they should honor and respect the characterization Gunn has given these heroes from the start.

What about a Peter and Spider-Man movie? Having this space pirate trying to be a ground level hero and having Spider-Man getting a role reversal and babysit Starlord would be pretty funny. No idea if we’ll ACTUALLY get Spider-Man again but that could be a cool plot methinks

I'd love a Peter/Mantis story for them to actually be siblings in. One of my gripes with Vol 3 is that it really doesn't do anything with that major revelation beyond paying lip service. You know who really feels like Mantis' brother? Drax! Their whole dynamic is PITCH-PERFECT sibling stuff. So how does Mantis get to something on that level with Peter?

I think I’d like a new Guardians team tv show. It wouldn’t have the pressure of the MCU film canon, and it could use a series of episodes to figure out the style post-Gunn and where the characters are going.

I think having Star Lord show up in the next Avengers movie makes more sense than a solo movie to me. He doesn't need a solo film imo. He's the main character of the Guardians movies already. Put him in a supporting role in the Kang Dynasty or something.

Taking the New Guardians and teaming them up with other cosmic characters like Nova and Silver Surfer for an Annihilation movie is probably the thing I want the most. Though, Star-Lord is a pretty big part of that story aswell and having him team up with the New Guardians immediately after this movie might make that ending feel a little cheap. In that case you could either just leave Peter out of it, or maybe have his story seperated from the other Guardians. Either way, I'd really like to see that story in the MCU. A full-on space war with some of the most powerful characters in the universe would be a sight to see.

Yes to a Peter and Nebula story!! I loved their dynamic in Vol 3

I want a show where we see him catching up on evertyhing he missed while he was away.

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The obvious next route I think people would expect is for Peter Quill to maintain his pursuits for Gamora but I think there was enough in VOL 3 to suggest he's perfectly capable of moving on and being able to carry that pain of loss, Peter has faced a lot of loss. So for me the next movie would need to find his new emotional theme. With 1-3 it was The Mother, The Father, The Self. To continue with any of the Guardians characters I think it needs a new emotional thread to follow. Vol 3 could be it for every character but if any of them are to continue on they need something that informs the plot to make the movies not feel empty. I think that's what's missing from so many MCU movies these days, consistent emotional themes and progression through those themes. James Gunn nailed it, his movies really feel like art.

My thought with Peter Quill is that he's positioned to cameo or support in another MCU film. Sort of like Doctor Strange in Thor: Ragnarok. He comes in early when someone needs an expert on space. Mantis is also well-positioned to help out in something like another Captain Marvel movie. I see them more as supporting players than heading their own franchises.

I think they will pop up here and there (minus Drax and Gamora since Dave and Zoe said they are done, but maybe they will decide later on they'd like to come back for another big ending in a small role, who knows?), but the new Guardians may play a bigger role in the new Avengers films, either Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars!!! Pom (mantis) said she would love to continue as Mantis in the future in an interview, so I think she may pop up sometimes as her leaving was pretty open-ended. Star-lord is confirmed to come back per the final post-credit scene, so maybe he plays a bigger role by the next Avengers film!

I’d watch an Adam Warlock movie, he’s not with Rocket and Groot, instead he has stepped away for whatever reason for his own adventure. We seen him leave the new guardians at the beginning and come back at the end. Maybe he’s so strong he’s lost his mojo, nothing is a challenge, then he has an adventure and learns some lesson along the way that brings meaning back. Cliche in some ways, I know, but every story has already been told.

Give me a Nebula/Gamora movie/series/epic all day long. They are so interesting and could so so much together, it would never get boring.

You need to have star lord teach Nova how to do his thing. It would be a great ark for him to be the “space veteran.”

Great video. Thank you. ❤

The End of the Guardians Of The Galaxy is here and it was a beautiful end indeed.

I'm more than happy for Gunn to take a break but I'd be more than happy if they all came back for an Annihilation Wave film(s)

Star lord in this movie was really relatable to me tbh, honestly made the movie so much better, having a character that i could truly relate to was nice

In my 22 years on this planet I have learned that while you may want more of something, you have to let it go at some point. I've watched franchises I've loved become abhorrent husks of what they once were. Do I want more Guardians? Yes. Do I actually want to see that happen? Absolutely not

Personally i'd love to see Edgar Wright have a spin at a Star-Lord solo film, his take on music, action and comedy all in one could work wonders for an on Earth film where Peter gets exposed to all the music he has missed while possibly having an adventure with a new character we haven't met that Edgar can make his own

An interesting dynamic to a Starlord and Nebula adventure on earth would be that, because of The Blip, Nebula has spent more recent time on earth (as an Avenger) than Peter Quill has. Much of Quill's perception of earth would be that of an eight year old boy. It would be fun to watch Nebula explain modern earth culture to Quill and him being, probably, resistant to that.

So I was thinking, what if they do a Disney+ series about Chris Pratt's Starlord living with his grandfather on Earth and trying to reconnect and just doing slice-of-life stuff? I'd honestly be super into that. I think going the streaming miniseries route would be a lot less risky than trying to make more Guardians without James Gunn.

To answer your last question, as long as James Gunn isn't going to be involved, I definitely think the right thing to do would be to shelve the characters for the time being. But of course, like you said, that's not likely to happen when there's money to be made by Disney. I think the best compromise looks something like this: 1. Star Lord stays on earth, and is available to appear in further marvel team-up projects as needed 2. The remaining Guardians have their own separate movie or series that isn't called "Guardians of the Galaxy" but something separate enough to distinguish it as it's own new thing. I know a lot of people are wary about the possibility of more D+ series, but I think this group could actually benefit a lot from that format -- giving them enough time to establish Rocket as a leader, develop Adam as a character, explore the origins of Phyla etc -- and in the right hands, a Guardians tv series with a sort of sci-fi "monster of the week" format could be very interesting. But the big question is who's gonna take James Gunn's place at the head of this franchise, and I think that's the most important thing to figure out if Disney is going go forward with these characters. One thing I think people don't talk about enough is the fact that James Gunn *actually loved* these characters before being hired to write and direct a movie for him. They're like his babies, and the way he wrote them with so much love and respect ... you can't just hand his children off to new parents and expect them to care for them the same way. Finding someone with the same passion for these obscure weirdos that James had is gonna be a gargantuan task. All that aside, one potential prospect to continue the franchise is the writing duo of Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley. They've shown the ability to tackle large project in a similar tone to the Guardians movies with D&D, and already have experience working with Marvel, as both were credited for the screenplay of Spiderman: Homecoming. No guarantee that they'll be able to handle such complicated characters with even a measure of the nuance Gunn was able to achieve, but I think it's both a safe and reasonable pick. Anyway, great video! Been regularly watching your channel for a while ... I generally don't comment on yt videos, but this is a franchise I care about, and I'm happy one of my favorite movie reviewers enjoys these characters as much as I do.

Starlord staying on earth is a great idea. And we already have a blueprint for it. Starlord Grounded is a great comic series that explores this concept

You know why I like you, Midnight? You’re critical, yet you recognize when things are done right. There are plenty of prolific KZfaqrs banking off the endless cycle of disappointment when it comes to the MCU these days, and while you rightfully share in that frustration you don’t let it bias you into just ignoring the films you can’t hate on. I’m glad you’re covering the only well-received MCU film to come around for a while in a positive light, since most of your contemporaries just shrugged and moved on immediately to talking about The Marvels without acknowledging GotG3’s many, many upsides. Appreciate you bro.

I think it’s most likely we’ll see Star Lord and the rest of the Guardians show up for the next two Avengers movies and then hopefully that’ll be it. And I could also see them doing a Star Lord miniseries on Disney+ with maybe Nebula costarring. I don’t think it’s likely they would make more Guardians films anytime within the next several years, especially since I think after Phase 4 Disney is scaling back a little on the Marvel projects they’re greenlighting.

Bautista & Saldana are both seemingly done with these characters which is cool. If Nebula & Mantis ever return, I’d want it to be in Quill’s projects, don’t just bring them back into the new guardians team. Then with the new guardians movies get a director with a distinct style and let him have a lot of control just like Gunn had, my pick would be Edgar Wright. I would prefer it to be over but it’s the MCU.

The only other director I could see handling Guardians well would be Edgar Wright; another director with a VERY specific style, aesthetic, and perhaps most importantly for the Guardians, a command of licensed music

I really want the characters to return, but not another Guardians of The Galaxy movie. "The Legendary Starlord" is already an established storyline in the comics, and I think that will definitely happen, but I think beyond that these characters should be parts of larger ensembles (the obvious choices for that being the new Avengers movies).

"I rarely do a video on this" with all due respect Captain Midnight as I enjoy your channel a lot, you are always doing follow-up videos like this about MCU projects lol

Yes I want them to return but not any time soon and I want a star Lord solo movie on Earth and a Guardians “reboot” with the new team we saw in the post credit scene. 👍🏼

My money is on a Disney+ mini series/movie with fish out of water StarLord learning to fit in.

I think Gamora's story is pretty much done, if we ever see the ravagers again, she could show up, but she doesn't need anything more. Peter bring on earth could, and possibly should lead to joining up with the Avengers at some point, and the new Guardians team should show up in big events. Drax taking on a father type roll with all those kids will keep him busy enough that there is no reason for him to show up again, I can't see Nebula staying completely Knowhere bound though, and we could definitely see her on earth with Quill at some point.

I hope James Gunn helps DC to take over this decade Because I'm sick of the MCU And I hope that he takes it seriously too, because I'll be damned if it has the same comedic tone of the MCU

I feel like the writing team who worked on the Eidos Montreal Guardians of the Galaxy game would do a really good job with writing the characters for a new movie.

I'd make a separate star lord movie and cross him with something else. On the other hand make a guardian of the galaxy movie with rocket as the leader of new team.

I think that the line that Star Lord will return was to cite that he will be in one or both of the Avengers movies planned at the end of this phase, I highly doubt there will be any standalone movie.

Having Rocket's new team show up in future Avengers' film in a similar way as in IW and Endgame where they're not the focus but part of a larger narrative seams likely. Some have mentioned Quill being in Nova; whenever that gets off the ground. The post credit tag feels like Pratt signed on for Avengers Kang/Secret Wars. Nebula and Mantis are characters I like to see more of. If there is more Space set cosmic Avengering Nowhere is a location that can be visited by anyone so Nebula could be space Wong.

Guardians 3 just introduced like half a dozen new action figurable characters and a new mascot to make a marketable plush out of. The mouse will NOT let that die any time soon.

If they return I think they should only be supporting characters to other stories. There's potential there to get a taste of them for fans but without as much dependency on their own stories

so couple of thoughts on this. 1. In the Guardians Holiday special, there is an after credits scene where Rocket and Cosmo are decorating Groot like a Christmas tree until Groot puts his arms down and ruins it and Rocket says "now we gotta have another special". SECOND GENERATION GUARDIANS ONLY are in this after credits scene: I.E. people who are on the new team. This confirms to me that a second Guardians holiday special IS coming and it's going to feature the new team members, with maybe small cameos from older ones but that's it. 2. A series where Peter Quill gets back in touch with his roots on earth COULD work, but if they go that route I hope they keep it pretty grounded (no pun intended). Never have him leave earth. Make the central focus about him reconnecting with family he stayed apart from for years. Have him embrace the future. 3. I'm hopeful for the new Guardians team as long as Disney takes the right lesson from what made Gunn's films work so well. Let it be its own separate thing where the director is off the leash and has the legroom to do their own thing. The question is, who do you get to fill Gunn's shoes? It should be somebody who is a very skilled and unique director in their own right. Somebody who knows how to blend comedy, action and drama in a very compelling way. And maybe . . .somebody who deserves a second chance at properly showing their chops in the MCU. Edgar. Motherfucking. Wright. I think he'd be perfect for the second gen Guardians. he'd get so much of the appeal right while its still very much his own thing. In addition, while one Gunn brother is gone, the other still remains. I don't think Sean should be in a director position per say as I feel as though someone as inexperienced as him is asking for needless difficulty, but i DO think he should be a creative consultant as he probably has much more of a grasp on his brothers' style than the average person.

Guardians of the Galaxy without James Gunn would be like Pizza without pizza dough.

Honestly, as bittersweet as it is, I think these characters, at least Gunn's guardians, should ride off into the sunset. why try and top an already perfect trilogy?

I hope this is the last GOTG film in a good trilogy,but on the other hand,I really want to see more of the new team,especially Adam Warlock,and I hope we can see the other characters like Drax or Mantis return in some way or another,at least a cameo.

Starlord will return in the new sitcom "Starlord: Man of Earth" where it's just a regular sitcom. Hell just edit parks and rec to call Andy "Peter" in every scene and that's perfect

I respect that James Gunn didn't kill everyone off, not even the people that have said they don't want to return or whose contracts have run their course. I think it's definitely going to be a case by case scenario. The next big crossover events are most likely going to involve everyone both street-level and cosmic, so it would feel weird to not see members of the Guradians cast show up. Get the band back together? Maybe to help save the universe, but not just because they want to make more Guardians movies. But in a few years when the audience is really missing these characters, there can be a scene where everyone's convening to thwart this massive threat, having a moment where Rocket, Groot, Star-Lord, Mantis, and Nebula meet up and say, "Just like old times," and start blasting some music, and it would be a treat. As for other opportunities for characters to appear, I am not opposed so long as it makes sense. If the story goes cosmic, and someone needs assistance with something and they either know of someone who can help, or just by pure happenstance Mantis, or Rocket and Groot, or whoever is in the vicinity, and again, it makes sense for the story, then I have no problem either. James Gunn was kind enough to let these characters live on and not completely write out, even if that means we never see them again anyway. Happily Ever Afters from here on out for these characters, that's all I want, and if we happen to catch a glimpse of what that looks like every now and then, I would not be upset.

I would rather them make a Disney plus show just about Peter trying to adjust to life on earth after being gone for almost 4 decades, and see how he and others around him react to his knowledge and experience of living in space around aliens but also still only knowing about 80s culture. Like make it a slice of life type of show.

I really would love for Guardians three to be a proper sendoff for these characters but at the same time Adam Warlock was so underutilized that I wouldn’t mind him coming back sometime and actually getting something to do.

The only person I could see taking over the GOTG is Edgar Wright. IMO he’s the only director/writer who has enough style and talent to make the Guardians feel fresh and new in his style. Although, considering what happened with his Ant-Man movie I highly doubt he would want to work with Marvel/Disney.

I like the fact that Quill could now potentially run into Hawkeye at a hardware store (the Barton farmhouse is in Missouri) or turn up to an alien invasion of some small town and play the dumb local until he blows up their ship with an mp3 player.

Really want a space buddies type spin off with cosmo

I think Mantis should join the Avengers. There's hardly any actual Avengers left

I think the upcoming reboot of the MCU in Kang/Secret Wars will give us some more time with these characters before an eventful reboot of the MCU. Post reboot I think it's time for a new Guardians film with a different cast/version of these characters or even focusing on mostly new characters or legacy members

It doesn’t need a future when it ends so well.

I wanna see Star Lord join the Avengers for sure and think that’s where he’ll mainly Return and even tho I don’t want another Guardians movie I feel eventually Disney will want that and if they do make a Vol 4 I hope they find a Director who does the Series well and hopefully Nova is finally Introduced

having a cowboy bepop style disney + show featuring the new guardians would be dope. just one off episodes with some serialization sprinkled in

I would like to see next GOTG movie after like 15 years when they reassemble with the same cast as the predecessors.

Rocket's Guardian team doesn't need a full movie, they just need to show up in the next Avengers movies

Bringing them back as supporting characters makes the most sense to me. There's been rumors of a Nova movie or show which would be a natural setting for them. Even sometimes like the Fantastic Four movie could work.

Personally, I would like a Guardians sequel focusing on Rocket leading the new team and we seeing some new character development and interactions. Adam Warlock was severely underused in Volume 3 (and also mischaracterized), so would be nice to see him getting more fleshed out. Phyla is another character who could be really interesting to see getting more spotlight. If done right it _could_ be entertaining. On the other hand, unless they get James Gunn to direct it, I can't see it working out; he said he won't direct more MCU films but is willing to help with projects involving those and other cosmic characters.

I’m okay with where the guardians ended. The new team in the post credits scene is super cool but I’d rather theorize and wonder about what kind of adventures they’d have instead of watching an actual movie for it. There’s just some things i like to think about on my own, i don’t really need all the answers.

I don’t want this to be the end for the guardians. I’d love to see these characters pop up in other things…but I don’t know if I want to see more films about them specifically. I think a good way to dance around not having to lean so heavily on Gunn, his style, and his obvious visions for each character…would be to just throw them into other projects in small roles if it makes sense. Keep them in the universe, but don’t make them a central point any longer.