Most controversial Tbates take ever. I can't believe he said that.

The take was so good the tape was tampered with to prevent others from stealing it 🔥

Hahahha was ready for the take but then it was actually muted🤣 ngl u got me there bro🤣

Being intentionally controversial is his whole thing tbf

He's gonna be a defense lawyer getting criminals off thinking it's okay to throw games for personal benefit

@@itsbeaker6571I was literally about to say this he’s in school to be a lawyer 😂😂

Exactly this. Too many people thinking from the perspective of two teams

It also isn't just about the teams that made top 8 with YMC throwing it's also White Rabbit Gaming who were effectively screwed out of possibly their first top 8 of the season because they had the unfortunate circumstances of running into YMC as opposed to anyone else in the 2-2 round

Thank you. The fact that no one mentioned how the opposing team are benefitting from essentially a free win to get through swiss and get manipulated results and points over potential rivals in the rankings. Also as you say this shows the morals/values of TBates which is worrying as I'm sure he's studying to be a lawyer but could be wrong. Edit - They talk about Bates being a lawyer a few minutes later in the video

I don't get why it is unfair? Limitless has the opportunity to beat YMC to go to the Major still. It would be unfair if throwing resulted in never having to play Limitless and that resulted in YMC going to the Major. At the point you would taking things out of the hands of Limitless but instead YMC put it right in the hands of Limitless. Every sport manipulates elements of the game to their advantage. In the NBA you can purposely give up a two pointer if you are up by three. You are not playing to your full potential to benefit yourself as you know the team will have to foul on the next possession. In the NFL players will avoid scoring a touchdown to further control the clock. Teams don't play to their full potential to benefit themselves given various scenarios all the time. The goal isn't to win every single game. The goal is to win the biggest accolade in your sport which is Worlds. To get to Worlds you have to qualify for it through other events. If I was on Limitless and lost to YMC when playing them early in the rounds that would be one me. I wouldn't be complaining at all.

@@BeUnadulterated not only is it unfair to Limitless, it is unfair to all the other teams in the region - specially the ones having to play ymc when they wouldn't have to otherwise. Plus I don't watch the NBA, NFL, MLS, etc etc. I watch the RLCS and know the rules don't allow for throwing, any format that requires you to lose in order to win is a flawed format.

People watch or listen live and that mainly on the official RL twitch channel. You probably know it though. Btw do you have Chalked cast patreon? They release an extra episode every week.

I just remembered The Cheach/Caster Gregan has 40 Ep. Podcast 'Beyond the Game with Gregan' with nice interviews and discussions. And from LiefX great interviews 'Brody morre's' or 'Lief's Lounge Podcast'.

@Skorpien. yeeaa I'm on the Brody Moore. I always end up replaying old WAN shows though lol. Never enoughhh

Aqua is insane, def underrated

I do think he deserves a higher spot, but in my opinion he is a very ball dominant player. As they were saying I think its about playing as a team not only mechanics. I think there could be a fit, but for me that is hard to find on a top level team. (Maybe Dig for gyro?)

Remember when Aqua was meant to be Daniel 2.0? 😂

@@somerandomchad469 i mean he got the mechanics but he would be better if he played ones 😭

@@somerandomchad469 Remember when Daniel joined SSG and they got worse? 😂

Stellar analysis. We definitely didn’t think of that

Or throw one

@@mariob3864Tbates sure didn’t.

​@@icedglizzy1403 I guess in YMC's case that wasn't the moral of the story😂

@@ethanluke5130nah lmao they had to win series too, it was just regional 1 and 2 when they could still control their own fate, after getting stomped by limitless twice it was too late

It wasn't as if the people in front of them was given to them randomly. It was based on their game differential. You can say luck, but they took too many teams to game 5 that they should be sweeping. If they had won more convincingly they wouldn't have been matched with GenG every time.

yea because better teams beat the worse teams. they didn't improve enough so they are gunna lose to geng

SSG had plenty of chances to capitalize and they just didnt. I love that team but when it came to SSG vs OG they got slapped and OG definitely deserved it/wanted it more.

Realistically it wasn't the Wins in Swiss that killed SSG. It was the fact that they didn't dominate well enough. So they always got seeded with GenG in the play-off. It was their own fault. If they would just win convincingly in Swiss they'd have been fine. They just weren't consistent enough.

@@Drrobverjones absolutely. They really did just need to win more convincingly.

​@undeadunluck crazy I get the argument but same thing could have happened to LG. It was literally a matter of luck SSG got a bad roll and LG got a good one

It's fair to say that they shouldn't be going to game 5 with Akron but it's still undoubtedly very unfortunate for them to run into the two best teams over and over again in this way. Their record against any team besides G2 or GenG is 9 wins, 1 loss. They are clearly beating their peers even if some series are going to game 5. Every good team still has bad series here or there for a multitude of reasons. Hypothetically, if every matchup was decided by which team is actually better and the third best team in the region ran into the first and second best teams in round one of quarters every regional, then they would have 0 chance of making it besides being the third best team. I am not necessarily saying that SSG are the third best team but you have to agree that this is an issue with the format. I would propose using the AFL format after the swiss stage instead of going into a single elim bracket as this format gives a fairer chance to every team, rewards teams more for performing well in swiss, and does a better job at finding out which teams are actually the best. This is of couese speculation but I think this format would have lead to SSG being third or fourth seed as I thought they looked better than the other teams fighting for those spots, and the fact they didn't get the chance to prove that because they kept running into G2 and GenG, is a problem. This format would coincidentally also solve the YMC issue in SSA as it would make it impossible for one team to snipe another team after swiss and knock them out immediately.

As if Luminosity were any better in Swiss lol

LG actually plays G2 closely every time and should have won against G2 in the grand finals if they didn't let up zero second goals in back to back games with the lead, they lost all momentum after that. They also beat G2 in a off-season tournament like a month B4 RLCS started. It's copium saying SSG should be there instead of LG when they have had multiple chances to beat Gen G and G2.

@@JayShady84 It's not copium saying that LG and OG were given far easier runs by the format. Game win% vs G2/GenG. OG - 28.5% LG - 26.7% SSG - 25% Series vs each other. OG: 2-1 SSG: 1-1 LG: 1-2 Series vs everyone else. SSG: 8-0 LG: 10-4 OG: 7-3

I mean if you look at the vod in hindsight chronic could've challenged earlier because it did look like he could, but I also understand why he took his time as he was last back. But yeah I agree that people wanna make clips like this into such a petty debate just to prove something.🤷🏽‍♂️

@@Ta3BeChillin he didn’t start to challenge up until Appjack was behind him, look at the VOD again. He played it perfectly but Daniel peaked, it was un-saveable in the moment. Only a low rank knuckle head would try go for that and I could guarantee Daniel would have put it over him and Appjack wouldn’t have made it back. Daniel was improvising the whole time up until the shot, Daniel would have just let the ball drop and faked out chronic if he challenged high, Daniel would have put it over him if he challenged like FK and went for the ball, Daniel would have flipped it over him if he stayed in net like he did, Daniel could have done anything in that moment and if anyone disagrees then I’d ask them to rewatch that whole sequence and tell me if they expected Daniel to do any of that. He improvised everything he did and had more options depending on how they challenged because he’s Daniel.

​@@___.___.___.___I'm not disagreeing that Daniel did peak in that moment. The mechanical creativity in that play that Daniel produced was without a doubt a top tier play. I'm just saying that if chronic knew he wasn't last in rotation then he could've challenged a bit earlier to possibly ruin Dan's opportunity to score. Daniel's goal is still a great goal.

​@@Ta3BeChillinWhen Daniel landed backwards FK or someone from the team would've mentioned that. Now if chronic had heard that and then saw Daniel air dribbling the ball Chronic thought daniel was trying to recover the play and wasnt gonna do much with the ball other than low 50 it.

@@Ta3BeChillin You won't get any joy from trying to use logic against this guy, he is the #1 Daniel simp.

Some teams can make it with just the first 2 regionals.

Cus he doesnt play

​@@Steamrawrlerexactly, because he plays basketball not rocket League. Which is fine, his life.

On the topic of people hiding throwing, the year ban is going to keep people from doing it. Having one spot, you have to constantly play your best and if there is an instance where you have to throw especially against teams you know you can smash, it's going to be too obvious. The rule is really effective in these smaller regions because it would be so hard to do it in NA or EU. When there are only two team regions, it's easy to watch those two teams dominate and then throw. Never should a professional want to resort to cheating to win.

Sounds like you’re coping to me. 😂

Win your games. Luck has no effect on seeding through swiss, they are determined by your performance. Your performance determines your outcome, if you don't earn enough points to go to lan, get better at the game, simple as.

@@BadExample77correct, im just talking about the single elim top8 being a bad format. Like i said before top8 and the best team are determined pretty well in this format, but place 2-8 is basically just what matchup you get in your quarterfinals/semis. There is enough proof for this happening every season in RLCS all over the world. Chalked Cast and First touch talked about this too this week

@@BadExample77such a simple minded way to think.

Nope, just acknowledging this one to be up there with the zen masterpieces.

​@@TranzeknoIt is fine to say that the goal is up there. It's just that people are instantly saying it was the best goal of all time when they would never say that if this happened EU. I don't really care that much about it, just explaining the argument

Cus context? Zen smurfing ahead in goals / series is not the same.

That goal from zen is up there with the best shots in rlcs

@@Ta3BeChillin zen said himself it was luck, but there is no denying.

The Zen still being up shot should be in the conversation aswell. From spring regional final 2023.

Oski shot game 7 OT from spring major I believe. Double flip reset from his back wall

@@carsonbeach6227 would agree if the net wasn't free from atow's demos, oski literally just needed to put it on target

They played whoever was in front of them. Sure SSG could have made it, but they couldn’t get out of top 8 unlike LG.

Fr tho like bates saying they have to beat the too 2 to deserve a lan spot as if that doesn’t literally apply to LG too lmao

@@kimyun8797I sort of agree. I think Dig is better than LG but they couldn’t beat whoever is in front of them. But SSG lost of team 1 and 2. LG and OG won against team 10, 9, 15. Had LG/OH gone against against GenG and G2 and won then it would make sense they deserved it but no one has been able to beat them (except m80 but they’re an outlier) it’s undeniable that SSG is 3rd seed. This isn’t to say LG/OG dont deserve to be there, it’s to say SSG deserve it more

@@brandonguzman2503 I honestly think everyone 3-7 are around the same skill level overall, so on any given day, they can take out each other. LG and OG just got a bit luckier bracket wise while SSG didn’t. It is what it is.

@@kimyun8797 You're right of course - the bracket is no fault of LG's, and they played well. However, I think we can agree that literally any other top 8 would've also made the major if they got LG's bracket - it was very lucky for them.

The players have to have a lot of power. It’s only 3 players. That’s 33% of the team. If 33% of the team doesn’t fit you have to switch them

@@brandonguzman2503 am I supposed to assume that 2 13 year olds have better decision making on roster moves than an org or coach ?

@@jiraiya2000over an org? yes the players are actually on the field. only one who has merit is a coach and even then majority of players would know better than the coach

@@jiraiya2000 very little if any orgs have 2 13 year olds. Most of them are 16-17. 3 great players can be forced on to a team by an org but there might not be any chemistry or teamwork. It’s better for 2 great players choose a good player than being forced to play with a great player. Everyone plays better.

@@brandonguzman2503 the best example of why players should not have roster power is NRG . They had both frosty and aris in the off-season , and now have neither and instead have 3 veteran players . They are basically a worse version of last seasons NRG , and had probably there worst split ever .

id be concerned if i worked with him on a professional level after those comments

Exactly. He's okay with a team ruining an entire bracket and another teams earned chances at LAN for a single teams personal reasons. Very selfish mentality.

@@itsbeaker6571 yeah the amount of times he says it doesn’t hurt anyone is ridiculous. They might of pushed teams into top 8 that didn’t belong there and possibly took away prize money from teams that deserved it. He doesn’t ever take that into account

Truth

Don't you think that maybe you thinking it's the best goal you've ever seen in rlcs is pure na bias?

@@Snapey81 not at all, the pure skill you need to have to pull that goal off is way higher than any psycho

@@BasedGod2K In your opinion. I have watched Daniel's goal multiple times now and I really don't see how anyone can think this is the best goal ever seen in RLCS. If that had been scored by Nwpo, for example, then it would not be getting anywhere near as much attention. It was a beautiful goal no doubt, but not better than Zen's pre-jump goal against KC or his backboard goal also against KC at Worlds. The key for me is that both FK & Chronic basically just sat there and let it happen, especially seeing it from Chronic's perspective. An early challenge from either of them would have neutralised it completely.

@@Snapey81 2 great players sitting in net is a testament to how good the goal was. He had so much control and efficiency they didn’t even think he could get the shot he got. Chronic and FK are good players too. Great at 1s, 2s, and 3s. I’m not saying it’s the best goal of all time, but those guys being beat by it supports it being a good goal imo.

Mechanically speaking you're obviously wrong. It's ok though, I assume you're a child still learning life.

@@SamMakiCope. Online qualifier vs worlds semifinal.

Both great shots .. y’all both children arguing better shot in an online car soccer video game lol

@@SamMaki we can debate the best shot of the season, sure, but now there’s no debate on the worst instigator of the season. Congrats on the dub homie😂

@@crystaltytk3900 Online qualifier vs worlds semifinal has ZERO impact on the mechanical requirement of each shot. Zens shot is in my top 5 of all time, but Daniels is mechanically harder to perform there for "clears" Zens, fact.

Yeah but they ran into g2 each time. If u flip the tables og or luma both would had same results.

@@packers12to80you mean GenG in quarters?

@@packers12to80womp womp

And why did they play g2? Because they sucked ass in swiss​@@packers12to80

@@packers12to80that’s on them tho, they played well this split and are prob better than LG, but they couldn’t stop dropping games to random teams in Swiss.

That’s not really the point though. LG didn’t have to beat the best to make it, and we’re comparing SSG and LG here

@@lucasglanville2880 valid 👍

@@lucasglanville2880 valid 👍

Valid 👍

game 5 vs akron lol

Game 5 vs Akron. Lost 6 times to geng or g2. Swept by OG. Couldn’t win their quarterfinal matches. Seems like your coping 😂😂

LG> SSG

@@crystaltytk3900 Game win% vs G2/GenG. OG - 28.5% LG - 26.7% SSG - 25% Series vs each other. OG: 2-1 SSG: 1-1 LG: 1-2 Series vs everyone else. SSG: 8-0 LG: 10-4 OG: 7-3

Nah. They weren't convincing enough in their wins against lesser ranked teams. If they had won as they should've, they wouldn't have faced GenG 3 times. It was their own fault and not really any luck involved. I think they have potential to be better than LG, they just didn't perform in Swiss well enough.