Sufferage puts a state-sponsored wedge between husband and wife. God makes them one, the state divides them into two. Put another way, women’s sufferage is anti-covenantal because it elevates individualism over covenantal union. Women have voted to obligate the state to fulfill the duties of a husband and a mother. The state is the provider and protector so women can thrive without a husband, the state raises children so that women can avoid obligation and thrive in individual (non-covenantal) pursuits.

I'm a CRITICAL THINKER and HIGHLY EDUCATED and saw through MAGA FASCISM.

Hey if Women don't get the right to vote then Women shouldn't have to pay Taxes either as no Taxation without representation. 🤨 Also what about Single Women, women without close male relatives & Widows?🤨

Please don't ever change, Pastor Joel. Your honesty and boldness and courage is shocking and so refreshing in times such as these. With your speaking such bold truth as this, the full fury of Satan and his demons are coming for you. He will try to bring you down using all his subtle, seductive, clever ways. Satan doesn't care about atheists or weak, ineffective Christians. But he hates those who can effectively articulate the word of truth, and who boldly stand up for it. Put on your full armor every day. Stay strong. Keep speaking the truth. God will protect you, and reward you with peace and joy.

"I got a lot of controversial opinions on this, but they're truthful, so I'll share them." LOL This is why I watch.

i've been thinking of this for 10 years and i finally got to have a 'conversation' about it with someone else than my wife. thanks Joel

Every adult citizen of a country should have a voice in the government of their country.

I remember listening to a woman pastor preach about how you need to get off of social media and to never use it, because "sinners are sinning on it", on it. She didnt use that exact wording, but, basically, thats what she was saying. What she presented pandered to her own personal feelings, rather then the tremendous blessing that God has been able to use social media for. She was popular in the community and so, people would just flock to her, and so she could conveniently say that. After all, she had her community of friends. But what about the rest of us, who dont have the money to fit into religion? We use social media and the internet. God uses ti to help those of us that religion has rejected. Its like, "no, dont learn about what is going on in south Africa, and the spiritual revival and reformation that is happening the whole world. Just stay in a little box". I wonder how she thinks now, because of how much of the church submitted to the government with covid 19? I am reminded of Sarai and Abrahm. They had received a massage, a direct Word from Almighty God, about how they would conceive a child in their old age. Guess who went against that Word and said that, basically, "no, God has shut my womb, go sleep with Hagar instead". It was a woman, Sarai, and since Abrahm went along with it, we today, have the Israeli Arab conflict. Also, she lied about laughing in the presence of God and God made sure everybody knew what she had done. Abrahm bowed down himself in the presence of God, but Sarai lied in the presence of God. Yeah, what you are saying in the video, I whole heartedly believe, not just because of my personal held beliefs, but because the Bible shows us.

I stand in agreement! God be with you!

Based!

Thank you for the video! I was wondering if this means for your church, do women members vote when it comes to congregational decisions? I would assume no. If they do get their own vote I would love an explanation of the difference! Thank you.

This is fantastic. Top tier!

Pastor Joel, I am curious as to what you think may be needed in order to end this as you said you believe will happen. Given the ramifications of returning society closer to God's intention for it, I obviously would love to see this. That being said, even among the more Biblically sound churches ( mine openly defends male headship ), there seems to be a blind spot here. You have the wives of staff members being housewives and yet these same male staff members will support female political candidates. They will say you can't find the idea that women aren't intended to do such things in Scripture. Obviously, I point out that when God instituted family....he established it with the husband as the head. When he instituted government...he did so with the Patriarchs and Kings. When he created the church...the Pastors and Apostles were men. So, right from their origins, the 3 pillars of society....family, church and government were created in a patriarchal model. So, what is likely to be needed to turn things back to that model ? Women dying in combat in large numbers ? Interested in your views. God bless.

There a multitude of things that have been instituted to divide women from men. Heros always rescue the woman caught in bondage.

If women dont need the vote because her husband will vote for her needs on her behalf. What about Widows, single women, Women with dead or absent Fathers?

Incontrovertible, the wicked idea that the head of household is unable to speak for his wife is a direct assault on the government of the family. Even if this were not the case, “you will know by the fruit” as you said pastor, this is the cause of great suffering in our day we must repent for the glory of God and the love of our communities!

Heavens NO!!! Has American history not proven this?!?

I agree with you 100% Pastor Joel... Because I believe that's what the scriptures teach us. I am a 55 year old woman and long before I was saved I used to always say that women's lib ruined our society. Thank you so much for your boldness and your faithfulness to the Lord and His Word. Please keep feeding HIS sheep. We need more bold pastures like you. God bless you and your family! 🙏

Are sources that he provides to prove this?

Wait, there is a woman politician more emotional than Donald Trump? Really?

As a church leader myself in a Pentecostal church I came to challange my elder addressing him on all these verses about gender roles and he disagreed with how the bible reads and says that since women have the Holy Ghost in them then they are capable of being Christlike and do they can do what men do and gender roles are no more. How would you think of this and considering no church will agree with you on everything, should I consider this grounds for leaving the church? I came out of homeless meth addiction and 6 years later am a business owner and middle class. Dozens of friends failed around me because they wouldn’t submit to scripture. I love Jesus and his word and I believe I succeeded because anything that doesn’t align with scripture I reject so btw I believe highly you are right about these things and wouldn’t change my mind about. My spirits fully convinced.

Praise the Lord this is so helpful and SO refreshing to hear a biblical teacher not afraid to preach the truth despite controversy! I never considered this! My childhood education consisted of celebrating woman's right to vote and no wonder I was so easily brainwashed into celebrating it too! So refreshing to hear from Pastor Joel who takes the Bible seriously by God's grace alone. Very thankful for God's gracious works through you Pastor Joel! Grace and peace to you!

Pastor Joel! They make soft attachments that go behind your ears to grip and keep your glasses up on your nose. They are a serious lifesaver! Thought I'd let you know because I'm a fellow glasses wearer that hates pushing his glasses back up.

Wow!! A lot of truth here.

Government should keep its nose out of the family home

Amen, Pastor Joel.

Good stuff, Joel.

Are older women allowed to vote in your universe, Joel? ❤Y

Also, using 'drafting women' into the service is a weak argument to take away women's Constitutional Right to vote. The draft hasn't been used in over 50 years, is extremely unpopular, and is easily avoided by the well-off.

Before watching in answer to your question... no. After watching 31 seconds I see we agree. Now I'll enjoy the rest of the video. God bless you brother Joel

Perfect !!!

Let Us make a list of Rights explicitly Given by GOD in the Holy Scriptures! Does Anyone have this‽-)

So, no. Got it 😂 I did enjoy the explanation though 👍

Much respect. Well done.

@ 5:50 "If only men could vote then there would not be a democrat president in the last 50 years" In fact if "If only men could vote" the democrat party would not be what it is now! The 'Overton window' wold not be a sliding scale towards the left. "The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.[1] It is also known as the window of discourse." Wikipedia

Given that women CAN vote currently (whether or not they, or anyone, should [i.e. democracy not being a biblical system of government]) which would be more faithful in our day: a woman taking direction from her father or husband on how to vote thereby increasing political influence of that faithful family, or a woman not voting because they "shouldn't?" Great video as always.

Only if they are added to the draft or the draft is abolished.

Agreed 100%

Amen pastor Joel!

💯

Just curious. What if your a widow or a single woman?

Right around 16:15 is where you get into what I have suspected for a long time, Joel. It makes sense that as a husband is leading his family in all other areas, that he would lead in the area of voting as well. This is why the culture (before the rise of the feminists) didn’t see it as anything abnormal. It’s not that they weren’t giving women the vote out of “hatred” for women, as we are now constantly being told.

So should I not vote to ban abortion in my state?

The first time I heard this was not too long ago from The Tansformed Wife. I was shocked. I had no idea that there were people in this country who did not want women to vote. After reading through the comments on her Instagram post I could understand this point of view. And then I was excited to hear this discussed in one of Pastor Joel's interviews with two other male leaders. I don't remember their names. And each of these three men had varying perspectives on their preference for male and household votes. I appreciate this video here today. Here's my question. Everything makes sense except for the idea that women make poor voting decisions. If this is true, then it's probably because they're voting with their emotions which is not a rational way to make any decision whatsoever and they may also not be educated on politics. In my case, I am not very educated on politics, but I'm cerebral and have strong logic and critical thinking skills. I'm not weak willed. One of the reasons I've refrained from voting is because I know that I am not educated enough on the issues to make a well thought-out decision. I say this to show that I am not offended by the idea of losing my right to vote. However, I am frightened by the idea of votes for men only. If the only voters were saved believers walking blameless in the ways of the Lord, then I would feel absolutely confident in leaving votes to those particular men. If husbands love their wives as scripture commands, the natural result would be that they could and would make decisions in consideration of the well-being of their wives and daughters who hopefully would become wives in the future. But these curcumstances don't exist at-large. Most men are not following YHVW, and I don't know if most husbands who are true saved believers are mature in their walk and understandin of biblical love. Do they make decisions for their household in consideration for the well-being of the women and girls they may be trying to love in the way that scripture commands them to love? Or do they make decisions to bolster their ego and in preference for the other men and boys in the household? (Note: By well being I don't mean giving women and girls whatever they want.) I'll never forget that Abigail Adams reminded her husband, John Adams, who was one of the first presidents of the US, to remember the women.

This seems like a question for the NINETEEN 20s, not the 2020s.

“Women are more easily deceived than men” that’s what every ad agency uses to their advantage

Brothers please go out and vote! Your country needs you

One vote per married household. Two votes per married household with children, one additional vote per set of three children. Adoption is an option if you can't conceive naturally. You've gotta have some skin in the game. More stake in the future, more influence in the present. You don't get to vote for rampant degeneracy as quickly as possible.

1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Your initial reasoning, that essentially women have suffered by being permitted to vote, is pragmatic. I'd argue that pragmatism is an insidious standard for questions of morality and rights. If we apply a pragmatic standard to other rights, then practically all our rights could, and should be infringed upon. Furthermore, the argument that Eve was deceived and not Adam is true, but Adam passed the buck, and refused to take responsibility for his lack of leadership. So, it may be that woman are deceived in voting, but also, men can't be trusted to lead. You speak of Timothy, and "weak willed women". I must ask, is Timothy saying all women are weak willed? What about redeemed women, those indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who are being sanctified? Is not Gods work, sufficient for fallen women? If women should not vote, because they're easily deceived, and you say experience and Scripture attest to this proclivity for women to be deceived, would not Scripture, and experience say that men have a proclivity to be tyrants, murderous tyrants, and therefore ought not lead? And cannot men be weak willed too? Can anyone say, David? You may say, but the Bible says explicitly men are to lead. This is true, but it doesn't say women are not to vote, and applying the teaching that women should not have authority over a man, to voting, is a stretch. IT would seem, to me at least, that being easily deceived is not the only trait which can cause suffering...but I now argue pragmatically. Is not the answer for women who are easily deceived, salvation....the Gospel....and even dare I say, men teaching? If bent, disqualifies you from something, should not all of us, be disqualified, for all things? It seems to me common grace, and redemption are being ignored...and the applying of commands, outside their clear intentions. If women should not vote because they're easily deceived, then young men should not vote because they're easily manipulated...which of course begs the question, what qualifies for a young man? Is this standard, true for all times and all places? Is a 18 year old today, the same as an 18 year old in 1776? Are all 18 year olds the same? In some ways, this line of reasoning, is almost, Marxist....disregarding the individual, and instead, lumping all into groups. Anyway, that's my .20 cents (to account for inflation)....

This thread reads like a recording of the minutes from a meeting of the He-Man Women Haters Club. I think you folks might be happier living someplace like Iran, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Does voting matter under lawlessness? We will take any just leaders at this point.

What about women who have served in the military? Would they be allowed to vote? Why or why not?

As a boomer feminist until God caused me to be born-again 38 years ago, my life was chaotic and I was in bondage as I made very bad decisions (sin). Now as a Christian wife being under my husband's authority I have peace and TRUE freedom. There is no freedom in women's liberation. Just the thought of women voting is very disturbing to my spirit and has been for years. Your message, Pastor Joel, was confirmation that God has me on the narrow path. May Christ be praised! Thank you.

I'm a female dental surgeon; I wish I had him as patient.

Right or not, you are mean.

What evidence do you have that makes you think the women's vote is going to end?

I'm of mixed thought about this. Because I have a Biblical world view, I have a fairly good amount of discernment, I know I can trust myself to educate myself on political voting records, ergo, my voting voice would be an opportunity to be good, however, I don't believe we should be voting or in the military or holding office. Hmmm 🤔, ...😀 Hurray for the Patriarchy !!!! If it's not like it was in the brutish ways.

Yep, it's case closed indeed

The PERSONAL is POLITICAL. Domestic issues are CRITICAL and VALID in the public sphere.

Compassion administered in an unwise way is never godly. It is not a virtuous quality for a woman to do so. Heathens will be heathen.

“Consider the cost”. All the costs, of course. Most importantly, the medium and long term consequences for “any and all actions we take”. Women, as a rule, and liberals (think liberalism as a mental disorder) are emotional (illogical) and very, very short term thinkers. It is what it is. With love

Men could be as you describe but how many truely Godly men exist today? I don’t see the quality in many. If there were maybe women could accept losing the vote. I just can’t see His enemies becoming His footstool in anything like any future I can see (which isn’t my place to see anyway). And I’ve tried to volunteer to help others (even to dig a ditch) and I’m turned down - which I used to do but now realize that was my error.

I have recently been asked at church.. if Christian’s really should be voting in elections.. period.. like, if even Christian men should be voting… thoughts?

What category do family's with no head belong to? Is there a place for the oldest son to take some form of headship?

Wow! This is such a breath of fresh air. I used to be a raging feminist, but… That was in my 20s. And you are right… While I know some old boomers who are still raging feminist in their 70s which is really gross, 🤢 I do think it is something that a lot of people do grow out of. I was that raging feminist in my 20s, but I grew up. Unfortunately, I grew up too late to have children as I have a condition that renders me infertile, but at least I grew out of my feminism. Since coming out of feminism, I can tell you that you speak truth. It is so refreshing to hear somebody actually agree with me on this issue. Letting women into politics was a bad idea to say the least. You have to understand though what sort of women push this sort of agenda and these sorts of ideas. They are usually quite masculine, often and married and well-to-do women. Feminism generally is not a philosophy that cares about the poor and downtrodden women the way that it sells itself to be. So unfortunately, this is why women are forced into these situations. I agree with you completely about women voting, but understand that it's a certain type of woman that pushes the stuff and has always been that certain type of woman going right back to the suffrage movement. The problem as well with feminism generally, but this video specifically is about women's suffrage, is that it has only benefited a small number of these masculine, unmarried and well-to-do women. The vast majority of women are less happy, less safe, and less fulfilled as the decades go on. So I thank you so much for saying these things about women's suffrage. It is so nice to hear somebody speak sense and who I agree with wholeheartedly. You hit all the right points on this issue from go to whoa. Well done. And just to finish off, I can't remember his name now… One of the abolitionists… Douglas Murray? I can't remember his name now, Douglas somebody… Having a mental block at the moment… Anyway… One thing I do remember was that while he was very aggressively pushing for black male suffrage, which is a good thing, he himself was even against female suffrage and never got behind it. So there were even abolitionists at the time, who were antislavery and pro black male suffrage, who were absolutely dead against female suffrage. I hope this comment makes sense, here in New Zealand it's getting late at night.

Women overwhelmingly voted for the policies and the politicians that are causing majority or americas problems.

should men be allowed to vote? they would definitely have to ask their wives for permission. men have to submit to their wives according to the Bible

Wow, this is nuts. Someone do a wellness check on this mans family.

Excellent message for our nation at this time. We always need to remember what the Bible says… NOT what it DOESN’T say.

Only men are required to register for selective service which the president calls for. Anyone saying women should vote but shouldn’t be drafted are basically saying that women should be able to vote men into war. Not to mention majority of taxes are paid by men, DESPITE women having the majority vote. These exact problems are what have led America to it’s demise today. It’s not even necessarily women voting, it’s that women have way less responsibility but have majority power.

NO

Joel you need to be very careful. You have some very strong opinions and I feel like you are seeking to have more power than you need. This can be dangerous. And obviously I disagree with you. I am gonna get off your channel now bc I am not a Calvinist or post millennial and I strongly disagree with your views on women. I have been watching you mostly bc of your post millennial views and to learn more (I have found that behaviors are driven by beliefs) but you are over the top on the womens things. You will be held accountable. I also realize you don't like women calling you out but you don't make the rules, God does.

Amen, the truth is painful to those who resist it. Those who are baptized with the Spirit of Truth it makes sense!

Amen to this

19:13 some women vote the way they do because they hear how the poor are spoken of, and lack of compassion to help the poor.

Can someone please go to the house of this misogynistic bully and check on his poor wife and children? I hope he doesn't have any daughters. I really fear for his family because his ideas are scary! You can already feel he's abusive to his wife, he doesn't see her as his equal. The nonsense he's saying is so insulting to women! I hope his wife and daughters can get help out of this misogynistic patriarchal bs system! Jesus will set women FREE!!!

BE CAREFUL! Remember this is just Pastor Joel’s opinion, not doctrine. I agree that his logic and reasoning makes sense, but we have to be careful not to add to the scripture on issues it is silent on (in this case, voting). We don’t want to become like the Pharisees and add to God’s law (which they also justified with reason and logic). Very dangerous!

Your wife needs to vote!! Oh my goodness.

I don't hear you connect with reason why women's suffrage is tied in a 1 to 1 fashion to women being drafted.

Oh my goodness! How insulting to women!

Absolutely no.

"There are some STOUT women." - Pastor Joel me: pictured a female dwarf

Before clicking on this video, I expected to me mad and angered by what you would say. But after watching, I cant help but laugh at the fact that your world view is not only unimplemented in todays society, but that the myth of Christianity is continuing to decline and fade away. I picture you seething at the current and future state of society and I feel great joy. Stay mad.

Joel is spot on! Men should be the leaders of society in every area. It's what Patriarchy is all about. You may think "this is too much " but it's the truth. The fact that without women votes, there never would've been a democratic president in the last 50 years is very eye opening!

Wow I disagree… and I am a woman so it doesn’t count right ?

imagine this: you are a woman who works in a coal mine. every day you risk being crushed, blown up from tnt, entrapped by rocks, and eventually will succumb to black lung as you were breathing in rock dust for years. BUT you did it anyway because you loved your husband and kids that much. you literally worked your life away so your family could live safe under a roof. then, all the men who for all of history have sat in shelter raising kids while being protected by women suddenly vote that you have to travel halfway across the world and sit in a ditch with no food or water. eventually you get trench foot, can’t even walk, then get shot in the stomach and lay with agonizing pain until you slowly lose consciousness. all because men thought that was the right decision. women, unless you are prepared to die in a foreign nation defending your decision you shouldn’t have the right to those decisions in the first place

No. Maybe if they have to sign up for the draft like the boys.

A better question should be... should Christians vote?

I have to disagree with you here, Joel. Eve being deceived does not make women less-than. Even if it did, I don't see that logically extending into a coherent political philosophy for civil government. I don't see a biblical prohibition on women participating in civil government. There is a very clear prohibition on women participating as pastors, deacons, or elders, but not as voters in elections for civil officers or referendums.

I'd this a rhetorical question?🙏

Are women citizens of this country?

Excluding the 1964 election (LBJ verses Goldwater) every presidential election since the 1950s would have put a Republican in the White House if men only voted. (and as I’ve said on here before, I’m not a Republican). I’ll catch much flack for this but it’s undeniable that most women vote based on emotion rather than on facts. The “whole my body my choice”, women’s lib, “Me Too”, absurd environmental movements, etc. I’ll throw you one better, I don’t believe anyone should be able to vote without passing a voter competency test. Every voter, every election. “I just hate Trump” is not an acceptable reason to be allowed to vote. The age should also be raised back up to 21. The 18 year old of 2022 is not the 18 year old of 1952.

look, man, you're honest I'll give you that. And I'm definitely a right-winged conservative fellow very much against modern feminism. But I do think that if any population of people does not have the right to vote they will naturally be vulnerable to injustices that only the represented population has any power to change. And as our society pushes further from the family, women would be less and less represented by their husbands and would thus become silent altogether. Perhaps your arguments would make sense if we lived in a society where women were actually represented by their husbands and the family structure was firmly planted. Also just because one population votes different than you does not mean that they should not have the right to vote, that reasoning completely undermines the point of democracy. So your first point just sounds completely ridiculous to me.

No

There are guys on the supreme court that shouldn't be there too!

It is HER choice

One vote per family per land owned.

I seem to remember that Deborah held the office of a judge.

I actually grew up in a conservative catholic family and myself and my family we became more liberal as we got older. I’m 43 years old now and I am a progressive liberal as well as my husband who is from the same area as I am and grew up like I did and he’s also a USMC combat veteran. We have a 14 year old daughter and we teach our daughter to be independent where she would not need a man for anything until she chooses to at some point in her life. We also teach her to be accepting, and to be kind. But hey, that’s just us.