Always humbling to be lumped into the same team as the Apostle Paul. Thank you for the compliment. One of the best I’ve ever received.

We aren’t just different physically, men and women are different spiritually

1 Timothy 2:12, which states in the New International Version (NIV): “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (NIV): “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”

You guys are losers

I think Joan of Arc was probably just inspiring as Wallace. Seems contrary to his other verses and actions. What did Jesus say?

In support of this: intrinsic authority can’t be delegated

Not in any sound churches

I cant a genuine question about this and yes the Apostle Paul said he does not allow but there are things in the new testament that is not allowed either like fanc bride hair or cutting of mens beard or hair. Anyway since there so much false teachings with female pastor why not have women pastor who can preach Biblically? Its not a sin that is for sure like for examples homosexuality. So i still dont get it why its wrong? There practically are not women in apologetic cause of this notion that women cannot hold office. Please help someone!

@@sorrowinchrist3387 “Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church. Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.” ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭14‬:‭34‬-‭38‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ So it is a commandment from the Lord. Everyone has a role and a part. The Lord makes it very clear what everyone's role is. And to add every man is not called to Pastor but only a specific type of man, and it is explained in 1 Timothy 3:1-7. So women can help teach women how to be homemakers, chaste, and reverent in behavior, which is outlined in Titus 2:3-5. So women do play a vital role in the Church, but they cannot become pastors or preachers in the church. Another reason is women are the weaker vessels. It was a woman who sinned first, so it would be in the best interest of everyone that a Godly, Biblically sound man is the leader because truth won't be compromised. In a pastoral role, you have to be direct and truthful and take the heat for everything. So I would just pray about it and ask the Lord to help you believe in His order for the church and family and also ask Him to help your unbelief.

Wrong again.. my Pastor and his wife are both Pastors and so a wonderful job and win many souls and are heavily anointed but the Lord to do so and pray for those that need delivered , and healed and we are seeing miracle after miracle do you are absolutely wrong sorry to say!!!

The cure for complementarianism is the canon video (free) “the lie of servant leadership”

I've been in churches where the women held no titles but seemed to decide everything. If they wanted something--it got done. If they disliked something--it was gotten rid of (including the preacher). Like Western culture, many churches cater to women even if they still pretend the men are in charge.

Gods Natural order has been ignored and we see the disaster

Wrong!! Just b c you have seen women preaching that had church’s in disarray does not mean they were called to preach or filled with the Holy Ghost or walking right before the Lord all while leading a church! So no one has a right to come against or bad mouth a Woman Preaching b c some are clearly going to pay as well as Men for not leading righteously and seeing that their church is in order many Men Preachers as well as a Woman if not Holy Ghost filled seeking God daily and walking up rightly before The Lord will stand before God And Give account for this error!!!! On the other note there are Many Many Anointed Women and Men of Called into the Ministry Holy Ghost filled and Righteously fulfilling their calling and have won many souls and training up many in their churches to go out and Evangelize and become mighty Powerful men and women in the Lord being used Mightily for His Kingdom!! So no your wrong! I am a woman filled with the Holy Ghost stand for Righteousness and do not play and crush the works of Darkness and I am following after a Mighty and powerful woman of God that was many many many many years in ministry, and she was a general in God’s Army, and had many that had grown out from under her to go onto their own ministries that she trained up, and I would not be where I’m at in Christ today had it not been for her teaching… I am Following in her foot steps and she lived to he just shy of 104 in 2020 b for she asked God to take her home! She was on 700 Club , Daystar and Channel 40 built two churches in Africa, preached life and lived what she preached… Had Men preachers with mega Churches on TV come preach at their church and pray for them and lay hands on them and speak life over them… She was heavily anointed and spent daily time in her secret place with the Lord before starting her day, so you do not in any way shape or form, come against a woman preacher. Absolutely not God will deal with you over that.

@@joycemcguigan4401 your opinion, my opinion, others’ opinions do not matter. At all. WHAT. DOES. GOD. SAY?????????? THAT’s what matters. Women should not be pastors period.

Amen!

Misogynist men make me want to vomit.

Fire

In fact, he cannot even delegate his authority. He still holds the authority but he is abusing it to lead cowardly

@@cosmictreason2242 I was once told by a church that they can have lady preachers because “the head pastor reviews and approved the material”. I told them that’s akin to stating it’s ok for a wife to become a prostitute so long as the husband approves of it. Nowhere does God grant husbands that authority to deliberately blaspheme and mock his word in such a manner. They said I was being harsh and extreme.

​​​@@michaelclark2458 Do they laugh at God's word in private? If so, woe to them, for they need extreme and harsh condemnaiton. They were right about you being harsh and extreme. You had every right to be.

So Ephesians 5 21 is wrong. Two shall be one flesh- Jesus. Hmmm...

How about working together to manage your home; much more practical. All of the above theory is not practical.

Women want to preach because of pride and the title I'm a man and I don't wanna be a preacher God will judge u stricter as a shepherd of His flock

@@tomtemple69ikr but it’s women want what they feel they can’t have they don’t want a title they want to prove themselves as more than marriage material and more importantly they want to make a difference more than 2nd in command and more than “silent and pretty they wanna be judged of their capabilities not dna true womens rights are about having the chance it not being wrong so we don’t have to prove ourselves that the saying your not as strong as a man means you’re not just a birthing machine and you need someone else to live and but men don’t they don’t want a title they want human rights and decency to do more than be a helper based off capabilities and not xx and xy

Four thousand years?!

@@ndm0227 If we want to put the Church as beginning with Moses, then it's probably almost 4k years ago. I'd personally put it with Adam between 6k and 7k years ago

Early church history tells otherwise. Study.

What part of “pastoring” can’t a woman do? Serve? Pray? Take care of? Feed? Proclaim the gospel? Advocate for Godly morality? Just what are we talking about here?

@@mikealdridge5424 they can’t be a godly example of obedience to Christ in that position, for one

@@cosmictreason2242 what aspect of preaching can’t woman do?

@@mikealdridge5424 the preaching part

@@mikealdridge5424 Just that. Preach and teach from the pulpit. Nor teach men. Nor serve as elders. See 1 Timothy 3 & Titus 1. Certainly women can serve, pray, feed, evangelize, etc. Those are not merely permitted but expected.

The bible teaching is crystal clear. Women are not to have authority over a man.

Took everything I’ve got.

@@RightResponseMinistries Thank you, Sir! Even if it was a long message, I still would have listened! May God bless you, always!

Yes. Key. If Paul were alive and employed digital gadgets to spread the Gospel, that wud have made all the difference. Gadgets not content define the activity. Marvelous logic.

Doesnt matter they dont care

The main error is men avoiding their God appointed duty to the head of a Family.

@@iacoponefurio1915 If men won’t lead, women will. And if women will, men won’t. - Al Mohler This is true but it is also true that women, in their fallen nature, want to usurp the authority of men. Genesis 3 says that women will desire their husbands but men will rule over them. Desire here is not of a sexual or romantic desire but a desire to rule over their husbands. Just as sin desired to have Cain. Women have emasculated men to the point that men don’t know how to be men anymore. To your point, they don’t know how to lead their families and that causes a cascade of problems in society.

COSIC TREASON. Your mention of ANDROGENY is extremely significant: Because so many women are in utter rebellion, they are winding up being "erased".........The Judgement of God as it plays out in society and culture due to persistently willful misunderstanding of what God's will is. "MALE AND FEMALE CREATED HE THEM"

What do you mean that women are not granted power and authourity to speak publicly on the behalf of God???? Wouldn't this be a lie since God says in the last days he will pour out his spirit on ALL flesh and men andAND women will prophecy?? would't prophesying be speaking publicly on the behalf of God??

@@ceegee5335 nope, prophesy is saying what God's word says. That can be done in private. It can also be done in corporate singing, as in a choir of men and women singing handels messiah.

He didn’t technically tell them not to preach. The reason is because they can’t do it anyway

He told the men that the women cant.

The men were tasked to do their job.

Timothy could not have been written by Paul. Look it up. Someone was putting words in his mouth later on. Also, the historical Paul was involved with early church leaders who were women. Flavia Domitilla, Drusilla etc were his herodian companions and fellow soldiers. The whole circle around Epaphroditus wrote the early New Testament and many were powerful Roman women.

I suggest my short essay on Deborah. It always comes back to the same question: Are men and women spiritually equal? A Judge was a spiritual leader, and much more. Reply if desired.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i they have different roles according to Scripture. Words of wisdom or truthful prophesy is definitely different than setting yourself up as a preacher teacher and thereby an authority over a mixed congregation. Deborah sat under her palm tree as a judge during the era of the Judges in Israel. She did not set up shop to preach in violation of boundaries God has put in place; She advised Barak correctly according to God's will, but she DID NOT tell Barak to step aside while she presumed to lead his men into battle. She respected his role. Miriam, on the other hand, tried to contentiously rebel against God's appointed, her Brother Moses and she was rewarded by God with a case of leprosy for her presumptuousness. Anna the prophetess, while on the temple steps, recognized the baby Jesus as the promised messiah when His parents brought Him in. She announced His presence to those within earshot, but she didn't ascend to the Temple Bimah, take it over and push the elders aside in order to do it

@@catherinehazur7336 catherinehazur7336 A Judge was a pastor, according to the scriptures. Not making that up. So if you want a study I can paste up my short essay. It is about her story AND what a Judge at this time period was. You really don't seem to understand what a Judge was. This is very common. I didn't fully understand just a year or so ago. What God did with Deborah was His will. Any doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did must be a false doctrine. Reply if desired.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i what exactly was it that caused you to fully understand the role of judge? Please do go ahead and send your essay. Thanks

@@catherinehazur7336 Essay on Deborah, the Judge and prophetess. (Revised May 2023) Before Paul we have her story. We don't know what Paul would have said about her. We have to read about her first and then try to understand Paul (if possible). This is what the people at the beginning of Christianity had to do. They knew the story of Deborah already. Deborah is either a meaningless exception or an important precedent, in the debate of whether men and women are spiritually equal. Before beginning, it should be noted that there is no scripture stating clearly or even hinting at, that Deborah was God's second choice. There was no man that rejected the call to be Judge, requiring a woman to take that place. ************************************************************* INTRODUCTION: Before God was rejected by Israel for the rulership of men, that is, kings, there were different 'seasons' so to speak. One of those seasons was the time of the Judges. ...but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the matter was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people regarding all that they say to you, because they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day-in that they have abandoned Me and served other gods-so they are doing to you as well. -excerpt 1 Samuel 8 A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Finally: All the Judges were men, except one. Deborah. She was married, but her husband was not a Judge. HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty as the punishment. There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict: ... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution: But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;... She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing: In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you... She had the same authority as a Levitical priest: So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge... Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation. “If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17 ******************************** THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 THE AUTHORITY SHE HAD OVER THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY here: Now she sent word and summoned Barak... She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you... Before the battle began she prophesied that a woman would kill Sisera (the enemy commander). This happened, as Jael, a woman not part of the battle, killed Sisera. She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.” And: But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, while Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he entered with her, and behold, Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple. So what were the results of this battle? And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and the army as far as Harosheth-hagoyim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; not even one was left. Also: So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. And the hand of the sons of Israel pressed harder and harder upon Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had eliminated Jabin the king of Canaan. -excerpts Judges 4 In Judges 5, most of the chapter is Deborah and Barak singing praises to God. The song lyrics are there. Final sentence of Judges 5: And the land was at rest for forty years. Obviously a great outcome. EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth... Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the Holy Spirit as we know. The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men and being over the army is here: An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender. FINAL THOUGHTS here: A woman anointed with the Holy Spirit can serve in any capacity in our time. Whatever valid title/position there is. To oppose this, is to oppose the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that was upon Deborah the prophetess and Judge. Deborah, the woman that "saved them from the hand of their enemies" by God's will.

I’m not sure what his intentions are ultimately and he’s overly emotional about this stuff. Who let this guy preach anyway? He’s clearly not ordained in any apostolic lineage. Just some prideful know it all waving around a KJV pretending he understands it.

Women are not forbidden from preaching in 1 Timothy 2 because they cannot do it. They are forbidden to teach and to have authority over men. As preaching involves this, there’s clearly a prohibition, but it is also true that women are not spiritually empowered to do it. Men are not toobe homemakers. Better analogy perhaps than “mother.” Because they can do a facsimile of homemaking, but they cannot actually accomplish it because it is outside of their nature and God’s will. See also my main comment

@@cosmictreason2242 But are men not to be homemakers because they cannot be?

@@cosmictreason2242 1) When you say men could do a facsimile of homemaking, then I take it you mean women could do a facsimile of preaching. Is this what you’re saying? 2) If women can do a facsimile of preaching, then wouldn’t you be suggesting that women could preach just as well (facsimile = exact copy) but are arbitrarily forbidden?

@@amichiganblackman3200 they cannot be and they are not to be. The reason for both of these is God’s decree to create people to image his glory. Men cannot be homemakers because it is contrary to the nature of God, same reason women can’t preach. That would be to symbolically say that humans had to go to heaven to instruct God on how to properly relate to humans. That’s blasphemous. Men preach because God, represented in Ephesians 5 by men, brings the message of God with authority to the church and the world. To violate this is to lie about the relationship of God to the church.

@@hardboard82 1. And undiscerning people would consider the women to be preaching, yes 2. No, again, see my main comment. If facsimile is too hard a word for you, go with pantomime or parody then. I’m trying to help you. // women cannot speak authoritatively on the word of God with the blessing of God, in public or mixed assembly, because God does not give them his authority. He does not bless disobedience. They’re not arbitrarily forbidden any more than God’s nature is arbitrary

I suggest my short essay on Deborah. God ruled Israel through her, since she was a Judge.

Read the Bible IT says women are not to ever have authority over a man, in church or the home.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i A Judge and a Preacher, is not the same thing. Deborah was a Judge, not a Preacher. There is a huge difference. Besides, it she were a Preacher, the Bible would have called her that. Since the Office of a Preacher, is higher than the Office of a Judge.

@@sisterrose6836 Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i execution was an action of the civil government, indicated by "Sitting in the gate." Deborah did not sit in the gate. She did not rule. She gave advice. She did not lead the military, she needed to get a man to do it because she had no authority to bear the sword.

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i I’ll definitely read through it. After sitting down for about 5 hours today & looking up scripture, watching KZfaq videos etc…my understanding of it is, woman most definitely have a place in ministry. From all of the passages I extracted, the issue is when a woman is trying to solely minister a church alone because after all the trinity is the bases for all relationships. Within the church it is perfectly fine for a woman to be active in the ministry as long as a man is above her (Sr pastor, deacons, elders) making final authoritative decisions that are for the well being of the church.

@@amandadugger7290 (sorry for the delay, I only get about 70% of my notifications) Reply with questions if desired. __________________________________________ Essay on Deborah, the Judge and prophetess. (Revised May 2023) Before Paul we have her story. We don't know what Paul would have said about her. We have to read about her first and then try to understand Paul (if possible). This is what the people at the beginning of Christianity had to do. They knew the story of Deborah already. Deborah is either a meaningless exception or an important precedent, in the debate of whether men and women are spiritually equal. Before beginning, it should be noted that there is no scripture stating clearly or even hinting at, that Deborah was God's second choice. There was no man that rejected the call to be Judge, requiring a woman to take that place. ************************************************************* INTRODUCTION: Before God was rejected by Israel for the rulership of men, that is, kings, there were different 'seasons' so to speak. One of those seasons was the time of the Judges. ...but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the matter was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. And the Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people regarding all that they say to you, because they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day-in that they have abandoned Me and served other gods-so they are doing to you as well. -excerpt 1 Samuel 8 A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also: Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet Finally: All the Judges were men, except one. Deborah. She was married, but her husband was not a Judge. HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty as the punishment. There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict: ... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution: But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;... She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing: In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you... She had the same authority as a Levitical priest: So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge... Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation. “If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17 ******************************** THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 THE AUTHORITY SHE HAD OVER THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY here: Now she sent word and summoned Barak... She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you... Before the battle began she prophesied that a woman would kill Sisera (the enemy commander). This happened, as Jael, a woman not part of the battle, killed Sisera. She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.” And: But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died. And behold, while Barak was pursuing Sisera, Jael came out to meet him and said to him, “Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking.” So he entered with her, and behold, Sisera was lying dead with the tent peg in his temple. So what were the results of this battle? And the Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and all his army with the edge of the sword before Barak; and Sisera got down from his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and the army as far as Harosheth-hagoyim, and all the army of Sisera fell by the edge of the sword; not even one was left. Also: So God subdued Jabin the king of Canaan on that day before the sons of Israel. And the hand of the sons of Israel pressed harder and harder upon Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had eliminated Jabin the king of Canaan. -excerpts Judges 4 In Judges 5, most of the chapter is Deborah and Barak singing praises to God. The song lyrics are there. Final sentence of Judges 5: And the land was at rest for forty years. Obviously a great outcome. EXPLANATION OF GOD USING DEBORAH here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth... Prophets and prophetesses are anointed with the Holy Spirit as we know. The explanation of God using Deborah to judge men and being over the army is here: An anointing of the Holy Spirit is the anointing of a powerful masculine being. That anointing eclipses gender. FINAL THOUGHTS here: A woman anointed with the Holy Spirit can serve in any capacity in our time. Whatever valid title/position there is. To oppose this, is to oppose the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that was upon Deborah the prophetess and Judge. Deborah, the woman that "saved them from the hand of their enemies" by God's will.

I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.

@@user-iz8np3vv4i the new testament is more recent and Paul clearly states woman have no authority over men to preach the word of GOD. So you're argument isn't against me or man but GOD so that's a battle you won't win

@@joeybyington3388 Any doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did is a false doctrine, by definition. Complementarianism supports a 2-tiered priesthood priesthood based on birthright. It is a false teaching. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2

@@user-iz8np3vv4i GOD'S word isn't false and so he used Paul to speak his words and yet you and others like you try to justify changing things well seek him and repent or you'll be the one Christ refers to saying "depart from me ye that worketh in iniquity for I never knew ye" I hope this isn't you and you see clearly but that's between you and GOD. Have a Blessed weekend and GOD loves you Read The Holy Bible Everyday and study for yourself don't be deceived by false teachers

Priscilla didn’t didactically instruct a man. See my comment elsewhere on that

@@cosmictreason2242 how do you know?

@@cosmictreason2242 Pricilla helping her husband teach a man the word of God in their home is not preaching.

The quote mining is hilarious 😂

@@MH-uh3hw it's teaching and Paul said a woman should not teach a man.

Very true.

Ya

Literally none of that. But what are you imagining when you say proclaim? Are you visualizing standing at a podium in front of a crowd? Yes that’s forbidden

@@cosmictreason2242 forbidden? Wow. What about worship leaders? Can a woman sing in church?

Youre in a cult You.dont know what Christianity is.

@@mikealdridge5424 women can and must sing in the pews. Men are to lead worship. The idea of a garage band being what “worship” means is a modern abomination. The service is to be conducted by the elders. Neither unordained men nor women should lead singing. It is performative, for one. But unqualified people should not lead, and women are all unqualified

@@cosmictreason2242 where does the Bible say woman are unqualified?

Why do we care about "gay marriage" then, it's not marriage!

Gays can’t get married either. Please think a little harder

@@scottyyoch3537 same brain

A better question is that if you are a determinist, why care?

No that is not a good question

Can women not submit to their husbands? After all, are we not one in Christ? You can see that, the argument falls completely flat.

@@MH-uh3hw not quite what he said

@@cosmictreason2242 deleted my comment. I agree a women should not be “preaching” in any venue. Can a woman talk about theology on a podcast? I think that would be too far to say she can’t.

Tone police is sin

You can say anyone is prideful that speaks their own opinion….

@@lionelwatkins I was wrong. I wrote that 8 months ago and I retract it

@@roberttrevino62800 glad to see. Have you been listening more and come to agree with his teaching more?

She has a radio show she is not teaching the bible 😅😅😅😅

@@iacoponefurio1915 in her intro, she lists theology as one of the things she teaches…

Correct. It’s permissible for men to listen to women teaching but that’s different from women teaching to men. It’s one of the reasons I’ll only catch her pods occasionally but don’t get my instruction from her. Mainly I’m wanting to know what she’s saying, in order to be informed in whether/how I would recommend or warn about her

Allie Beth is not the problem. If you listen to the tail end of the above video, Joel seems pretty obviously to be saying he is not on her case. She actually has taken a doctrinal stance that puts her to the right of any other complementarians I am aware of. She aims her podcast at women, and she is mostly discussing the culture war--quite ably--and not acting as a Bible teacher.

Its about mothers dont be a lunatic extremist We also have had Joni E Tata for decades.

You are not, and will never be, the glue that holds and builds the faith back up. In fact, it is precisely the Jezebel spirit, a female spirit, that is responsible for the current downfall of the church. A toxic, insecure, overly domineering spirit, who compromises with Satan and sin....making a false idol out of the chaos of Feminism. In the end, it's gonna be that "toxic male patriarchal energy" that's gonna save our asses from total destruction, with the help of THE FATHER, THE SON, and THE HOLY (MASCULINE) SPIRIT. Most women can't even check their own oil.

God is the one who told you not to preach. You are abusing that text. It is talking about equal access to God in Christ, not saying that everyone has the same station, authority and responsibility. Are parents to submit to their children because all are one? Please repent of this error

Joyce, are you a male or female? This is, indeed, a trap. If you answer that you are female, then I will come back with “We are neither male nor female!!! Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!!1”

I guess we're all trans now? If there's neither male nor female, that seems to be the logical conclusion?

@@scottyyoch3537 we are all transgender and transracial now I guess. 😂

@@michaelclark2458 Lacheim my non-binary brother!

You mean teaching other women and children? Yes, they can and should do that. But teaching men? The Bible, I think is clear on that, infact it is the responsibility of these men to find themselves under the teaching of fellow mature man. But I'm not saying for example If I get to wonder around at church sometime and find a woman teaching other women as I listen I am captured by the wisdom and blessedness of the word of God being taught, and I hang in there listening, that is definitely not against the Bible. But again, I can or maybe only getting the nurturing. Whereas, christian men need more than that, and that more can only be found under the teaching of fellow mature men.

I went through this in depth in 2020 and arrived at this understanding: Women are forbidden to teach men and to have authority over men. But they can prophesy, teach, exhort, counsel, give words of knowledge etc. It’s important to know what it all means. So first off, prophecy is saying what the Word says. Teaching is instructing someone. It is not possible to “teach unauthoritatively,” The prohibition is not against teaching authoritatively but against teaching AND any other case of holding authority even when it’s not in the context of teaching. So now comes the issue: declaring the word publicly is not possible to do without authority because the Word is authoritative. So women cannot declare the word in public, eg corporate worship scripture reading or street preaching on the box. Or in a podcast or seminar, ostensibly for women, where men are given instruction/addressed. The principle seems to be as follows: women may not DIDACTICALLY instruct a gathering of people including men. They can didactically instruct women or children, and they can express their understanding of the word or ask questions in a mixed gathering where the nature of the gathering is conversational and a man is able to correct her if she is wrong. Thus it’s not a prohibition on talking about theology, because she can do that conversationally, if men are present. Thus 1-1 witnessing is not implicitly forbidden because that is conversational and she should only be witnessing to women anyway; she should direct men to her pastor or online resources rather than witness to him in private. Beyond this, WHAT women are to teach is regulated by Titus 2. They are not to teach “Theology proper,” But the kind of things which are highlighted in Titus 2, to other grown women. By virtue of only teaching “women things,” it makes it very hard to presume to teach men, you know?

​@@cosmictreason2242 you do realize there is a ditch on both sides of the road on this topic correct?? Seems you have gone to the opposite extreme on this one....

Titus 2 is the standard for women.

I'm not allowed to share the Gospel one on one with a man? Not to sound like a reactionary feminist (because I'm definitely not), but that's hogwash.