Prusa because the Bambus are extremely loud

Bambulab X1C. Why? I already did 😁 But also, a variety of reasons. (Warning; This got longer than expected) 1. Prusa seems to wait just too long to make significant progress. They slept on their laurels and relied on their reputation for support, open source and reliability. 2. Prusa tells half truths sometimes (like that the MK4s now prints fast when it doesn't even offer input shaping yet), and their new attitude on their blog about open source rubs me the wrong way. Its like they are doing with many companies that go open source and trying to soft back pedal on the stance because they see the small profits they could be making if they shut down clone printers, ironically stepping on the very thing that brought them into the mainstream. 3. You just aren't getting a lot of bang for your buck compared to the Bambulab X1C. Sure their support is notably worse, but how often do you really need support? I mean really, I would like that aspect to improve, but its there _enough_ to be serviceable and then you are getting the faster speeds, no effort printing and video feed print monitoring, and enclosed chamber, which would bring the comparable Prusa option to being significantly more expensive than it, and thats without the layer scanning or a decent multi filament system (though we'll have to see when reviews for the new MMU come out). Ok, well what about the P1P? Well in my opinion, thats an even bigger open and shut case, because either you pay less money and get a faster printer that works out of the box, or pay more money for a slower printer that you have to then spend 8 hours building for no apparent reason when you could use that time to build something else, or make your own creation. 4. I've recently been annoyed with the sort of mud slinging from Joseph Prusa himself on various platforms. It feels like he's willing to go to the point of almost bending the truth because he knows that Prusa as a company has been sleeping at the wheel for too long and now he has a new player hot at his heels. To be clear, I'm not saying everything he says is invalid, but _a lot_ of it is, and that's not good. Seeing this sort of attitude was really the first time I've felt negative sentiment towards Prusa as a brand. It feels like the friendly people centric facade started to slip. Combine that with their new stances on open source, and the not quite whole truths in marketing and it feels like they are trying to transition away from all that they used to stand for. I mean, printables is great, and they do great work with Prusa Slicer, but I think public opinion is trending downwards not up. 5. I've come to realize that a lot of the Prusa magic I thought I saw was more or less a cult of personality thing. Looking at the Mk3, its just a standard, and out of date printer. Looking at the MK4, its now what a standard printer should be as well. They aren't really pushing the envelope, but the XL is where they have the chance to change that by being the first out of the box tool changing printer so they still have a chance to stay at the forefront even though they are behind right now. That all being said, while I actually do get why Bambulab is closed source (especially considering how quickly the other companies clearly rushed to copy them), I still think Prusa, at least while they still haven't reverted get a strong bonus for me for staying open source. Practically speaking, if I didn't buy that Bambulab, I might've gotten a Prusa if not built a kit printer like a voron (I do have 2 cheapo printers as well).

I dont own a 3D printer yet, but i plan buying one soon. So i inform myself now a longer time. After this video i will more likely buying a prusa mk4 than the bambu lab. The long term support and open eco system as mentioned in the video are some advantages, but for me are others even more important. I have a 2 room apartment and there is a printer with a lower noise level a must have. The speed of the bambu lab is of course great, only i could not have it printing while im doing home office or chilling in the same room. If im going deeper into this hobby, that printer allows me more easily to modify things. Even the price is relatively high of the mk4, there are many things prusa is doing well and that has to be supported.

I just ordered the mk4 kit. Was on the fence between x1cc, k1 and mk4+mmu3. Went for the prusa because of the open-source-ness, the basically guaranteed life-long support, the availabilty of spare parts and the upgradebility later on the line.

Definitely not anything Bambu. Not exactly Flashforge levels of bad, but a thoroughly proprietary design that's made virtually unrepairable in some vulnerable areas is a pretty nasty design practice. On top of that, some serious QC issues with parts like carbon rods are already popping up.

If this was true, they would have released this last year. I don't think they care that much about any perceived pressure.

@@scottr4086 well, they'll care soon enough then. I think a lot of people would prefer the bambuLabs printer over the mk4.

It's sad that this had to happen. It shows how complacent that not only prusa, but the whole industry has become. Bambu finally woke them from their cryogenic sleep chambers.

Agreed. I built a Voron 2.4 and still love my Prusa Mk3 simply because it basically always works at least with PLA, PETG, TPU, etc. But Prusa definitely needed a kick in the rear to get them to focus. I will probably end up buying the cheaper upgrade kit for my Prusa as I like having a print around I'm not constantly tinkering with, and thus out of commission half the time (the voron). Edit: Also Prusa support really is a value add to the printer when considering the price. When I assembled my mk3 it was the first printer I built, and I asked support some fairly dumb questions to be honest, and they were super informative and quick to respond, no way you would get the same level of support with Creality or some of the other cheaper brands.

@@lukesmith9059 the problem is support is massively expensive and a company should not have to depend so heavily on it as the primary distinguishing factor vs the competition's hardware. prusa is in deep trouble unless they make sweping changes. also they have products like the MMU2 where no amount of support will help fix its fundamentally broken design.

I agree. I'm irked that the advertising is so much "it can do this! (*in the future)". But at the same time I get that they would have been absolutely eviscerated if they *didn't* say something about input shaping. So they were in kind of a tough spot. But the way they mentioned it certainly comes across a little shady. Like you said, this is the finished product they chose to release, so this is what should be reviewed today. The input shaping and whatever other future features that will come are more like a MK4S ("S for speed!" lol). I will say that this does highlight something Prusa has in my opinion always been strong about. The printer you buy today has a long upgrade path and they aren't the types to say "cool that you bought last year's model, but you can throw that in the trash now and buy this year's with new features!" Just wish they had marketed it differently.

Very well said. Huge Prusa fan, love my Mk3s+, but agree on everything you said.

Well it's kind of a full review for today, but it's not a final review. I suspect he'll come back for a final one after the updates are released in a couple of months.

Preorderded, and i will get it anyways, a Prusa XL. When ordering it i thought "hmmm i put klipper on my Anycubic i3 Mega now im wondering if Prusa has input shaper as well" and then i thought like ofcourse the have to already have it. So yes it really was a bummer to hear "oh, our version of input shaper will be available some time later". Regardles of that, regardless of seeing the Bambu Lab printers, regardless of considering a Ratrig V-Core 3.1 first: i still went with the Prusa XL as it will bring neat out-of-the-box features like multi toolhead and partially heated bed(Good for Small and Good prints aswell as bedwarping) and other things. But most importantly this time i wanted to have a workhorse Printer where i simply press a button and it starts printing without calibrating or anything.

@@awilliams1701 That's the thing with Prusa though, there's never a "final" review. What they put out today is the finished product, not a beta, not pre-production. It stands alone. Prusa will continue to periodically update it for years. That's one of the great things about having a Prusa printer. In a year, you can bolt on new features, instead of having to start from scratch with a whole new product. And that's exactly why it's still a bed-slinger even though the new hotness is CoreXY.

Agreed. Its really not even a comparison in terms of user experience in my opinion. The Bambu is the iphone experience. If you want to really dig in and get your hands dirty, get a prusa or build your own if thats what you're in to. If you want that sleek iphone experience, bambu.

@coryg945 Or an MK4 kit and keep the MK3.

@@irql2"If you want to really dig in and get your hands dirty, get a prusa" .. no. A Prusa is pretty conveniently product for dummies.. But if you want to "dig in" buy an Ender 3v2, install Klipper und upgrade the shit out auf this thing... after 2 years you are a 3D-Printing Veteran. Max. frustration is 100% quaranteed on your way, but after, you will know every Screw, every Nut, every feature .. I promise ... Getting my first prusa was like vacation / holiday.

* creality and qidi have entered the chat

@@TMS5100 Can't comment on qidi, but I'll never buy another creality product. Bad QC and false advertising. Generally poor support.

Michael, I understand the monopoly argument in essence, but I do wonder why that's an argument now, when a new competitor enters the arena. Are you saying they're too good then?

@@allertschallenberg1857 Prusa is open source, Bambu isn't - While a "monopoly" isn't really the argument here, It's just how a lot of 3d printing has gone forward. If I had to choose between two giants I'd rather choose the open source one!

@@Tetribution Open source means that no one has to pay a licence fee for certain modules or solutions. So why does Prusa double the price of its printers? By the way, Bambulab's entry into the market will help competition. I don't think it will put an end to open source printers...in fact, alternative open firmware has just been released for the Bambulab X1!

I work in game development, and finding Programmers right now is a nightmare. I've had people demand 2-3x the salary of what our current programmers make (all of them are happy with their wages) for even junior positions. I'm not sure what's going on over there, but if it's anything like the programmer market where I live, that could be a factor. Also, I don't mean to sound callous about wages, but I'm talking about wages that would make a doctor or lawyer jealous... We're a small studio with a well defined budget. It's not fair for some people to be saving for a house for a couple of years while others show up to work in a lambo.

Agreed. Trying to hire sw engineers in Brno is also tough. It's a very competitive market.

LOL shìII, it's a day lat a thousand dollars or so too expensive POS, keep lyìñg to yourself...

@@meikgeik Your current programmers are phools, they should be working for a crust of bread and a bowl of water so you can be more profitable, how dare the peons want to earn lots of money too...

It's the same in the Automotive industry, getting good engineers is very difficult at the moment

I have no accessibility needs and that fake search box confuses me every time too, I can only imagine how bad it is for someone who has them.

Yeah, I don't get what's up with that weird design language. That weird box gets me every time.

There's also way to use that website in any other browser than Chrome or Firefox, leaving Pale Moon users and others rather annoyed. I'm not sure what the developers behind the site were thinking, to be honest...

Lol who cares about invalids 😂

i agree

Same in the USA. I had some issues with the mk3 and it’s really frustrating to pay $2 for a part and $50 for shipping.

This is so true. One of the reasons I cancelled my mk4 and got a x1c instead. I still have my mk3s+ and still a great machine.

The benefit of open source then. You don't need official prusa parts

@@youeatthemtheydie You're right you don't have to, I"m just saying shipping cost is something to keep in mind when you make a decision. For example if you want to order an upgrade kit you'd have to order direct and don't forget that awsome prusament.

I have two MK3 printers when I was printing a ton but I doubt I would buy another if I was in the market for a new replacement. I still recommend a Prusa to people who are not very mechanical/tech savy as I've had great experiences with tech support and company, and the printers pretty much just work out of the box, but otherwise I would be looking at a Bambu or different company.

Yes but do you think you could keep your bambu lab working after 2 or 3 years (comparing with a prusa)?

@@fabien85100 I definitely think that bambu will provide support and spare parts for a long time. Their wiki etc is great. But of course, only time will tell.

​​@@fabien85100 My experience with a Prusa mini was poor and got sent back. I had a P1P delivered a couple of days ago and it really is a game changer imho This is the printer I have been wanting for years especially after having several Crealitys. Something that just works while offering great quality and speed. I don't really care for the whole open / closed argument I don't want the printer as a hobby to fiddle with and when you watch the Bambu in action you can see where all the development went and how much tech is working together The early testing of the K1 also shows the benefit of closed sourcing

Same for me and i have no regret.😀😀😀😀😀

@@grumpyoldgamerUK Do you mind me asking, was there a reason you went with the P1P rather than the X1C? Was it just a price decision?I'm just tryinig to decide which one to order.

Also AFAIK, the Mini was supposed to come with X/Y perpendicularity correction, just like the i3 MK2 and MK3 did. There's still nothing despite the fact that the Mini is the printer which needs it the most, because of its construction.

how'd you put klipper on there

This was one of the main things that soured me on Prusa. It took them almost 3 years to add WiFi to the Mini, by the time they added it I had mine listed for sale. They also never added the power loss recovery they promised and as far as I know it still doesn’t have the print farm software they promised.

I feel this, all of their new features on mk4 are just klipper features

Not only did the Wi-Fi take forever to be released, but it is 🗑️ compared to every other solution.

This is important, as a good 90% of KZfaqrs are i) Prusa fanboys and ii) on Prusa's direct or indirect payroll (obtuse sponsorships usually). There is no justification for _yet another_ 15-yearold bedsligner iteration, especially one at 1000USD base price.

stefan is probably one of the biggest shills on the site lol. he has banned people on his comments who suggest phaetus hotends and pretends like they dont exist, because slice pays him to do so

@@johnfaustus1 YES!

Unless you need to print a lot of TPU/TPE then why in the world would you go with a Prusa MK4 that is 450€ more than the cheap Bambulab that has it beat in every aspect?

@@jenspetersen5865 Noise, The Bambu is really loud and not everyone has the space. My printer is in my office, next to our bedroom. And it is produced in the EU and not in China. Maybe that’s dumb, from a personal point of view, but I try to buy „local“ products over Chinese. And they have great support. If I have problems, even years from now, I know I could fix the printer. But mostly it’s the noise and where they build those machines. That being said, the X1C is a great printer, for most people it is better and I still think about getting one too, once I figured out where to put it.

That’s what I’m looking for too!

Great! That fantastic. I saw MK4 live and still bought P1P becase it's rock solid as well, cheaper and 3x Faster than Prusa. Even the cheap Creality ender S1 with klipper has pressure advance. Prusa was great but 5 years ago. Now they are light years ahead of competition.

Bambu is way faster and makes better prints. Wrong decision.

Following the reveal of X1Plus, a forthcoming third-party firmware possible thanks to a firmware "loophole", Bambu Lab says it will open the X1 to rooting.

Get a Bambu Labs A1 for $399. It's as good as the mk4 at less than half the price.

prusa doesnt have any community and support is only acceptable

@@jakubmastalir3557 What?

​@@mercerwing1458 yeah what they said is just straight not true.

Me too

@@jakubmastalir3557 😂 wtf

Yeah. Reminded me Nokia as well.

@@AlexanderMoon I almost went with Blackberry instead of Xerox... But both being printer companies was just too good. Lots of companies have done the same thing effectively, and now are at most weird corporate supply with zero consumer awareness.

@@pretzel_tfg yes, it's called "bad management", not uncommon.

THe XL man. They just need a downsized version. No need to get rid of the i3 design. It is great for mass production.

My thoughts exactly! It's a $500.00 printer at Best.

prusa seems to be following the path of printrbot.

But the gummy bears are really tasty

@@CheChe1061 It isn't made in China, it's made within the EU, reason enough for me.

Just pay for service or buy a new P1P for $699.

Excellent point! This is the main reason why I rejected the possibility of purchasing a Bamboo Lab printer.

That's a huge reason I would consider an MK4 before a Bambu Labs machine. Maintainability matters.

You are simply wrong about the linear rods

@@BeefIngot No, hes not. Bambu lab themselves have stated that the motion system is NON SERVICEABLE. Your only option when the bushings wear out, is to send the printer back to china for repair.

But they didn't. The MK4 has been in the work since at least 2 years.

The bought it out now because much of the technology is on the XL and they didn't want competitors in China producing a MK4 like machine before Prusa shipped theirs. Bambu is a nice machine on paper and seems deliver what it promises but we will have to see how reliable it is when it's been in the wild for a year or so.

Should have been a little longer in development, then.

@@schrodingerscat1863 I can answer that for you right now. I am 100% sure that after a good year, there will be almost no support or any spare parts for the Bambu. Even now you can repair almost nothing on it. No exchange of the bearings, no exchange of the carbon shafts, nothing. Much is even glued in. Holy Sh*: In 1-2 years, most X1C and P1P will be on the dump, because Bambu will have thrown the next printer on the market by then. Throw away and buy new instead of repairing will be the motto.

@@Neo1983m yes you can repair it easily. What are you talking about?

Prusa wont disappear a year from now like so many companies. Their tinkering means I have a 100% reliable printer.

@@thomasking9524lol Bambu labs has far from disappeared. At this rate they will outlast prusa

The p1p WITH taxes is still cheaper than the Prusa Mk4 kit. And of course a lot cheaper then the Mk4 you can actually buy (the non kit version).

@@BaldurNorddahl Yes, I know but comparisons should be done both with taxes or without taxes

@@orsodaikin this is why they were done in usd. Us prices are almost always without taxes as the vary from state to state. So don't worry, it was a fair comparison. Both were without VAT

​@@nukularpictures good to know

Good point. I'll put a link to that article in the description.

It doesn't change *everything* but it changes *a lot*. As it stands they still stand well above Bambu in terms of openness, even if it's not the open we need. Truth be told, what we really need is a new heavy-hitter like Prusa to pick up the Voron base and make heccin good printers from that. No matter how you slice it, in terms of community support and openness, Bamboo holds nothing over Prusa. Doesn't mean Prusa is the only option. (hmmm... now that I say this, I'm gonna start looking at what Voron support there is. Pretty sure I saw *someone* making kits available. Perhaps we could see them jump to replace Prusa soon?)

@@faeranne I don't get the fuss with the open source thing. If you get a refrigerator or washing machine isn't open source. I rather have a "plug and play", with the chamber and all the fancy laser tech than the "open source" stuff... I miss a good afordable ready to go machine without the pain of calibration and maintenence that almost all 3d printers have, I want it like a microwave oven, just forgetting about it and using it when I need it without to do anything prior or post printing.

They don't want to leave OpenSource, they want a better open source hardware license option. Open source software has a handful of different licenses to pick from to serve different needs, open source hardware has much fewer options and the current options don't work very well for Prusa in the current manufacturing climate. It's just too easy for knockoffs to undercut them before they've sold enough printers to pay their engineers for all the work designing and testing them. What they want is a license that blocks direct clones. That's actually hard to do, but it makes sense.

​@@lifeteen2 Sorry, this debate is decade lates, it has been already sorted out with Creative Commons, if you add the NC option it is not OpenSource. So the statement Prusa want to leave the OpenOurce is right. Nobody says it is easy to have an OpenSource HardWare company, it means that you always have to innovate. They are way behind enthousiast that use Voron, they could embrass Voron, community using Klipper and making their board compatible with in order to have input shaping, but they suffer from the NIH syndrom and want control over the whole process. So they are late, may be to late, a shame for them that the conclusion is to leave OpenSource. What will be the interest in 2 to 3 years to support them if they don't have an Open ecosystem ? What will be the difference execpt the fact that it is technically inferior ? I Hope they will improve on CoreXY, but it will change nothing to the 1k€ market, they are losing it.

I honestly can't see competition in price/feature as being even possible. Geographically: Asian companies are in a way better position than European companies in regards of parts and labour. I had to wait 6 months for a batch of STM32F402 ARM chips, but an Asian partner of our company had them within 3 bloody weeks for way cheaper to get started on proper production. There is not a single way for any of us to compete against such a market by ourselves. The only way we tend to be able to compete is via a combination of partners that help us get a leg up AND proprietary designs that aren't worth copying at the risk of being blocked in foreign markets. On which yeah, Prusa is stupid for thinking they can still be successful in the long-term as a Open-Source entity that is solely Europe based. It really shouldn't be a wonder for them that people view them as the slow ones, when they and projects like Voron just hand out all their work letting competitors skip years of development and appear as cutting edge.

Same thing for Prusa Slicer. Why steal Slic3r and then not contribute changes back to the original project? And yet claim to be the champion of Open Source? They are not!

But is there really a need to upgrade it? I understand if you like to customize your printers, but the X1c is fast enough out of the box.

@@dickard8275 It's not really upgrading per se... there are always little bits here and there that benefit from tinkering. A new fan shroud idea, a stiffer rail brace, just adding text to a part, etc. Speed is way, way down on the list of tweaks, even when, in my case, your livelihood depends on well printed parts. Relying on proprietary hardware is a huge leap of faith, especially on a product with an unknown long-term reliability. A good start is great, to be sure, but a well-earned reputation carries a lot of weight a long way.

@@amarissimus29 Well I have a (not so ) unique perspective. I have an mk3s+ and Bl X1CC. I am close to 2500hrs printed on the X1C and forgot how many hours on the mk3.( dont feel like bringing it out and powering it up for hours logged) but I have printed more in the past 9 months on the new printer than YEARS on the bed slinger. The X1C is my workhorse and side hustle. There is a reason why the MK3 has been sidelined and the Mk4 is a slightly better mk3s. Let's just say if my X1C vanished tomorrow I would get another. It has made back my investment and then some and has been by far my most reliable printer.

Hi Nikola. Could you please explain to me how the soft iron egg works in the rotating magnetic field, and how I can make my own tungsten particle accelerator? I'd be most grateful. Also. I'm very sorry that Marconi copied your patent for the tuned circuit. He had no idea what it was, or how it worked, but it did make him a lot of money. We now have materials available to make your "skin effect" turbine a reality. Have you got a kickstarter set up yet? RIP, old timer. One of the few true geniuses to walk this earth. And a friend to pigeons and a cat, to boot!

@@amarissimus29 thing is the company is reliable as well as their replacement parts being very easy to use and get your hands on so longevity of a hotend is horribly important if your printing amazing and fast prints

people keep telling me you can offline it

You can use it offline as long as you don't mind using a micro SD to transfer. It's pretty annoying to take in and out, but it does work.

@@arthurcarre1393 I guess a wireless card would eliminate all of the hassle?

@@Flashbang_Photo Would be cool if it did

Someone I know had to order a set and they were only $100 and some change for the pair which isn't bad considering. Everything is serviceable...just matters how much you care to try.

Only time can tell. What if Prusa is just a newly started company? Will you have the same level of trusting?

Being the developers of Bambu are DJI, I don't see Bambu going anywhere. Plus, no other printer touches the Bambu printers and Prusa really dropped the ball with the MK4.

@@spydergs07 Knowing DJI from their beginning ...they are Not good at all in supporting their own old technologies.

@@pecky38 I think from my comment it is easy to guess that if Prusa was brand new, I would not trust them, such is why I wonder about Bambu. My MK3 has been nearly problem free for five years. And if you chat with makers, you will find that Prusa is one of the most trusted names - and for pretty good reasons.

@@lee8org this is my fear with Bambu. A 3d printer isn't a one or two year investment.

Any regret 9 months on?

Read an article yesterday about them moving away from open source, lol

I finally encountered some critical issues with my MK2.5s, which coincidentally occurred the day before the mk4 went live. I got mine in the first batch and I can confidently say it's been a joy to use. Straight out the box it printed a flawless 250x210mm layer on the bed, perfect peel and all. The MK2 is also a bit loud but not insanely distrubing... but the mk4 seriously makes it seem EXCESSIVELY loud in comparison. I think you're gonna have a good time :)

Was great having you here!

half baked tech, like prusa's mmu2?

Is it noisier when printing at all different speeds?

@@doa_form yes, I believe

Actually Vorons and Ratrigs are slower. The Hevort though is a beast

I can promise you that things will look different in a year's time at the latest. Spare parts: No, service: No, repairability: none

You also can't compare a printer made of cheap China junk components with one made of high quality materials.

but that's not the case in almost any other industry. Hardware innovations almost always start with hobbyist development then as soon as professional proprietary companies get involved then the quality jumps up massively because they can invest in research knowing they'll be able to make their money back. 3d printing has had alot of innovations but it's still in it's infancy. It takes hours to print something, materials are far inferior to injection made parts mechanically even with superior geometry. They're also unreliable despite being They're also unreliable (how many times have you had to clean out the cylinders of your car despite it being infinitely more complex and having more varied usage. We still use a 2 axis printing system with one print head because we're not able to scan the part in real time. Saying diy is working fine why get professional is like saying what's wrong with the apple 2 we can just make new peripherals. The fundamental tech is still basic we cant rely on the 7 year prusa product cycle to fix this.

This is the most often overlooked point for the Bambulabs printers. I don't understand why no one is talking about this.

The market has never came to The rescue when a manufacturer stops producing replacement parts!!! 🙄 Pretending you won’t be able to keep a bamboo labs printer working due to Bamboo labs not open sourcing there machine is a bullshit . Just admit the surpassed Prusa in there first attempt and a year later what did Prusa give us … A upgraded mk3 . Prusa needs to get off of there ass and work with Voron community on a actual modern printer a plus $1,000 bed slinger in 2023 is embarrassing.

@@meikgeik because it’s a moot point.

​@@meikgeik because it's just not true. With the amount of units shipped the only problem I see are with the Software slicer Integration that could become outdated in a few years. Other than that, you'll always find replacement parts, even of not OEM, simply because of the amount of units sold. 3rd party sellers can always produce replacement parts if even if the product is not open source... Especially because there are no patents on the product. You can already get quite a few third party products for the X1. I am sure if BambuLab were to stop selling replacements or increase the price significantly, other vendors will pop up.

Bed slinger works, that's all that counts for me. It's reliable. I don't care if a model prints in one hour or two.

@@testboga5991 For sure. I have a bed slinger. I love it and use it extensively. It's just that if I'm going to drop 1k on a printer, I'd definitely get something else. If Prusa's thing is reliability, they should probably move to a more reliable motion system too. Maybe the idea here was backwards compatibility, but the upgrade kit costs almost as much as a new printer, so that doesn't really make sense.

@@jabberwocktechnologies What's unreliable about Prusa's motion system?

@@joegf1739 z wobble for tall parts and shaking the part loose from the bed are fairly common issues. Most of my print fails right now are because of failed bed adhesion. Slant3d did a more detailed video on all the issues with bed slingers recently. They're still a very successful and effective budget design, but if you're going to put more money into the printer to get better quality and reliability, getting a bed slinger doesn't make as much sense.

@@jabberwocktechnologies Bad bed adhesion is a matter of bed levelling for the most part and choosing the correct print plate for the material. " better quality and reliability" isn't granted by CoreXY, there are plenty of bad CoreXY printers out there and once you add direct drive extruder most of the advantages of CoreXY are gone. CoreXY in 3d printing mostly works by "cutting corners" in terms of being able to ignore basic laws of motion dynamics because the print head is so lightweight (read the source code of the old Ultimakers for example, and you'll know what I mean). The bedslinger actually forces the engineers to build a better product adhering to basic laws of physics and motion dynamics right from the get-go.

Very good points here. I heard from some youtuber who lived and loved in china for 10 years+, that the principles you called evil are seen as something to be proud of.

@@diy-lbk - Since I made the previous post, Bambu Lab has begun selling more replacement parts, including the carbon fiber guide rods. Their repair parts are reasonably priced but if the guide rods wear and need to be replaced, that wouldn't be a trivial job. My concerns about intellectual property rights and 100% playing well with the open source community remain.

I built ages ago IKEA lack closure for my A6 where MK3 has now been sitting for years. I just sometime ago checked Prusa enclosure if I would upgrade, but it's indeed way too high priced for what it is imo.

Yeah , BL support is not that great , they need to improve in that aspect

Stefan raises a great point about Bambu that it is unclear in what working conditions these machines are manufactured. Also, if Bambu really follows the business model of Tesla where they dump money into technology and then sell their machined with almost no profit only to secure their place in the market, I'm afraid to think what it's going to be like years later when the investments run out. I mean, now it is definitely a snatch and if you want a really good machine at ridiculously low price, but I am concerned that this way Bambu is going to push some good brands out of the market just to then become same crapy unreliable brand as many others. That's why I still bought Prusa just recently. That and because I fix 3D printers at work and I don't need one more at home constantly needing my service.

@@youeatthemtheydie I agree except comparing it to Tesla. Tesla is the most profitable car company. Probably due to no advertising and dealerships. But yes I'm worried Bambu is going to kill much needed business with these machines. Prusa however will likely keep on going thanks to their innovations to FDM. Bambu didn't innovate, they just got community innovation to market faster than anyone.

Depending on where you‘re from you also support a product from the EU. This was one of my biggest reasons to buy a Prusa where at least some stuff does not come from China.

@@bixenbaer I'm in UK so although no longer in Europe, I appreciate the quality of European goods. At the moment given the price I may end up waiting for the MK4 to start showing up pre-owned, by that point hopefully the MMU3 will be released for it as well, I think the Mk4 will be my end-goal device but I'm now considering a Bambu A1 as a stop-gap until then given UK stock (no import duty) and much lower price and then upgrade to the MK4 some time in the future.

The deciding factor for me was noise. I went with p1p, but it is loudddd!!! That's fine for me or people with dedicated spaces for a printer. But I can't imagine working in the same room as you can with prusa. :)

@@matic785 try sleeping next to it 🙃 Noise aside, it heats up my room so much. Edit: misread the comment. I can't imagine sleeping next to the p1p.

@Andrew Glick LOL did that when I first built a printer. I imagined more of a office environment. I remember few years ago a team that stayed in our office for few days had Prusa mini with them. And it was printing all day and didn't bother anyone, it was so quiet! Can't imagine that with many other printers 😅

@@andrewglick6279 TBF you really shouldn't be sleeping or working next to ANY 3d printer. Even if you only print PLA it still puts out some pretty harmful VOCs, and yes, even with an enclosure.

the deciding factor for me was 1 part ever 2 days or 2 per day

a very good option here in Europe is buying a used voron or Rat rig etc. yeah a Bambulab X2 is comming but then the same thing happens like the Mk3. Prices for used ones drop very much. Its just normal. But upgrading the Mk3 to the MK4 is also not worth it.... so you end up with the same Problem. But now we got to a point, were most Problems like fist layer, reliability, speeds and so on are done. I dont know how much we can innovate but we will see

That was my concern as well, but then I watched a video of someone getting a perfect first layer on cardboard with the MK4. The trigger force would have to be imperceptible to do that, so there is likely no risk of damage to the buildplate.

Typically the load cell of any nozzle probing system trigger at the force of few grams and tge nozzle is also only pre heated to 140 to 150 degrees, so it shouldn't be much of an issue. The most demanding nozzle probing system is voron tap, the force is tge toolhead weight plus tge force of the retaining magnets. This goes even so far that you have to use the aluminium extrusion and cant use a lightweight aluminium x axis and tge 350mm size is generally a bit sketchy. I mean around 600 or even 700 gramms pushing down during probing can slightly deform the x axis, bed mount (trident) or even the bed itself

Might take some years till they implement anything more useful like clogging detection.