Thanks Jez I would absolutely love to get more units in for testing.. Being in Australia doesn't make this easy but I'll keep reaching out to different companies and hopefully receive an email back 🤣🤣 (haven't got any yet).

Thanks Graeme I really appreciate the comment! Joe

Thanks mate!

Thanks mate I really appreciate that!

Thanks mate!

@@JLagGOLF I'm like some others, if they had included the cloud storage upfront, I might have thought twice about the subscription on the MLM2PRO. It's really not the price, it's the principle of lack of spin/spin-axis or any reasonable functionality unless you subscribe. But also, there were other things. So for example, in two years I will have to decide if I want to renew the service, but the shifty part was that it was auto-subscribing CC service, so if you never opt-ed out, BANG! 200 bucks yearly! So for me, it was big nope. So they have you CC number on file and in two years you will be charged, and then yearly there after, no consent required. Second thing I didn't like with the MLM2PRO was it was a closed system. Well, I have a better uses of my time than to illegally attempt a reverse engineer the encryption they used just so they can rip people off on the subscription and shutout any opensource developers. I have to say that the OCR technque was super clever and can apply to many closed systems (Thank god. Unless that will be the next thing they add to the end-user agreements). Still, if your going to grab all metrics including spin/spin-axis via OCR, or watch any of the high-speed videos of the ball strike with their app, you have to be subscribed? BS! So, I sent my MLM2PRO back, got my refund and said never again will I buy a Rapsodo product.

Hey mate thanks for that! Is this what you are after? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZ2ZldaYuNvOnpc.htmlsi=ol5IQbGpTxJRxz85 Cheers

I'm really excited to see what Garmin has been working on! The R10 is honestly a great device 👍

Hey mate I ended up going to a wifi extender and have had zero issues since going to that. The MLM2PRO and my iPad are the only two things on it. I used a seperate mobile hotspot for a while and that worked flawlessly as well. So hotspot my phone and then connect Rapsodo and iPad up to that... Zero issues. It's like the MLM2PRO didn't play nice with my modem / router

@@JLagGOLF thanks so much for the info and that will help with troubleshooting. I have a Ubiquiti Unifi wifi system at home which is kind of a commmercial grade system, so I’m surprised it’s having issues but I will try some things and see if I can get them on their own access point that’s closer. I’ll let you know what I find out. And thanks for the channel, this is my first launch monitor and I’m hooked on the whole thing and golf in general, so it’s fun and I’m learning a lot from your videos!

@@DavidKudellMusic Thanks mate! Sounds like you have a great set up. Yeah try the hotspot method it's an easy one to do.. I'd be interested to know how it goes. For me it was major issues and then when I did that absolutely zero disconnect issues. So then I got a wifi extender just because I didn't want to chew through my mobile data and it again worked with zero issues. When I connect back to my home router the disconnects come back!

I'm theory absolutely yes! However it still needs to estimate all the other data correctly as well such as club path and clubface at impact (which is pretty much just uses HLA to get the impact angle) which it does pretty well! This is why I think the R10 is almost more accurate the better player you are 🤣 or the better ball striker. I do think it's incredible what they created and it still holds up well today against the big boys. I'm super excited to see what Garmin has coming next. Cheers.

Thanks mate I really appreciate it 🙏 hopefully you keep enjoying the content!

Yep me too. Happy with R10 other than the spin axis. Watching Joe's videos the MLM II Pro still seems to drop out and have some connectivity issues from time to time. Not as bad as early on but there's no way I want to suffer through that the way Joe did. Plus Joe seems a pretty tech savvy guy and he still battled. The Garmin R10 was a piece of cake by comparison, straight out of the box it just worked. I'm hoping Garmin release something that will bring all the same reliability and accuracy plus spin axis.

Mlm2pro works fine for me . I just set it up and it's amazing device. Seems accurate if set up properly

You need the spin axis

Yeah tbh the r10 is a Solid device… for me right now if I had the Garmin I would probably upgrade to the MLM2PRO just for the accurate shot shape but realistically does the everyday golfer need that?? Maybe not. I’m SUPER excited to see the next Garmin model.

Thanks mate! If you contact the GS Pro team they are really helpful. The golf thing about having a lot of launch monitors that aren't supported is that you can just swap between them using the open API! Definitely email GS Pro and explain your situation having two different launch monitors.

Hey mate the GC2 was an absolutely fantastic device that I'm still kind of regretting letting go.. it was unlocked and just worked! There were only very minor things that could have been better with it like a better HLA on short putts. It was a very solid unit.

Hey mate that's correct you won't get club data at all with the MLM2PRO even if you are using awesome golf or GS Pro. It is however incredibly accurate with its ball data! The R10 you do get all that data albeit most of it is estimated... The estimated data once you have the unit set up and aligned correctly is actually really good! However the ball flight is not always correct with the R10. Pros and cons! It's a tough decision to make but honestly you will be happy with either device.

Mate honestly in your situation it's a no brainer MLM2PRO ALL DAY! I wouldn't even think twice about it. The R10 is great but not for the kind of practice you want to be doing. Accurate ball flight and GC quad like data is what you need. Honestly I don't know if you will keep it for 3 years.. you might find yourself upgrading to the new Garmin model if they do release one in a year or 2. But the MLM2PRO is absolutely fantastic.

Thanks mate I really appreciate that! Unfortunately all these devices now are going subscription based 😭 I wouldn't be surprised if the new Garmin (if they are working on one...) Was subscription based as well. I hope not!! But I wouldn't be surprised.

@@JLagGOLF i have no problems with subscription but dont you think is a bit a ripoff not having a device working at its full without one? It s like having a car stuck at 90 km if you dont paye the subscription lolll that how i see it,that why i love garmin or skytrack,dont need one but if i paye for one i will get something else(course,skill help,etc) witch make more sense…anyway thkx for the taking the time to answer 👍

@@yannrobert8546 Yeah I know exactly how you feel and it's really annoying. I just had to pay my Uneekor Eye Mini subscription but at least with that unit you can use everything just in a basic range but get all the data. If you want anything else like 3rd party connection then you need to pay the subscription so it's value adding where as the Rapsodo subscription to me is more of a forced not even a subscription it's something you need to pay to use the device.. my subscription is coming up as well 😭😭

@@JLagGOLF lucky you,my dream to have it but can't afford it 😭😭. Anyway great review thkx 👍

No when using it outside the unit doesn't need the RPT balls for spin axis. It only needs them indoors.

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Thanks Joe!

Yes that's a fair point. The Aussie dollar is not doing great at the moment!

Rapsodo everytime

Skytrak plus I've heard is a good device. I'd love to test it myself! I think the Rapsodo is absolutely fantastic now.. it started off with a very rocky start but now it's great. I personally would buy it over the Garmin now but that's just me.

Hey mate both are great! For me I'd choose the MLM2PRO as it has the range ball mode that I've found to be really accurate for carry distance that I can then take to the course. Also I just love the shot tracer and impact vision. Another advantage with the MLM2PRO is how easy it is to align!! With the camera you literally just put it through the ball and your target and it's perfectly aligned. So for me personally I'd choose the MLM2PRO.. but the R10 is still a fantastic device that will give you more data albeit estimated data but it's still really accurate as long as it's lined up correctly. Oh and both can hook up to awesome golf! Which is great for Sim golf on the range.

You can use the mlm2pro outdoors into a net

Hey mate a lot of people use them outside in the net with a lot of success. I was the same I got the Garmin as my first LM until I saved for my foresight GC2. Right now if I was starting I'd get the MLM2PRO for the accurate data and shot shape!

I disagree. Not for every use case. I just started with golf… and want to work out the distances for my clubs. Rapsodo is overkill. My driving range is 5 min from my house. I don’t even bother with simulators. I don’t need spin and spin axis yet and I have to use range balls anyway. So the R10 is half the price… and in 2 years I can check the market again and upgrade if needed. And while I usually don’t mind subscription services, Rapsodo feels like a total rip off. They just withhold functions what should be included anyway. For 50 bucks I don’t care… but 200? Seems like we need some more competition…

Yeah for me and my use case the Rapsodo is killing it... And I think we will get even more functionality announced at the PGA show in Jan 🤞🤞. The Garmin still has a use case but the market is getting smaller I feel. I'm really interested to see what Garmin is working on for their next release..

The Garmin R10 is far superior with battery life. However having said that it doesn't really matter to me. I have a battery pack that I keep in my golf bag anyway and if the MLM2PRO gets low I just plug it in.

Hey mate from what I've seen online with trying to connect it with GS Pro iOS works a lot more seamlessly. However that being said it's still at the mercy of the Rapsodo range updates... If they took away the cart path then it would be a big help!!

If you're looking for something that's easy to put up and take down you can't beat the Spornia nets! They are fantastic. If you're looking for a more permanent solution and a bay style Sim then you can make your own like I did. Or if you live in Australia Bayside golf is a good option as you just buy it all in a package. Also Rapsodo sell packages as well!

I can't wait to see what Garmin's been working on! If it's an R10 that can calculate spin axis we have a winner!

Yes good pickup! You do have the weekly tournament that you can play in with the garmin. Rapsodo has yet to implement something similar.

Yeah I can see where you're coming from.. at least with the Uneekor eye mini for instance they have a subscription if you want to use it with GS Pro but then it's an official GS Pro connector! But without the subscription you can still see all your data it doesn't lock anything.

You shouldn't let pet peeves cloud your judgment. I get not liking subscriptions but the only other that are close to the MLM are 4 and 5 times the price. You would have to run one of these for 6 years to get to just the MEVo+ price. Hell you could run one of these for a decade for cheaper than a GC3

@@TheMCAidsbut in fairness .. it’s a 1200 unit with a 200$ per year cost once you factor that in then you should just go for the mevo+ if the subscription was 20$ it would be less offensive but it is still just shady business practice trying to hold their customers to ransom and ensure ongoing revenue stream for hardware that you have already bought. Remember these features cost them nothing to provide. For me it’s either cheap option = Garmin expensive = mevo+ I’m sure there will be people that buy these without realising they loose functionality in 12 months

Oh wow did they tell you AOA is coming? That would be great. There are a LOT of metrics that people can get fixated on. At the end of the day the best feedback you will get is the ball flight and if you can understand why certain ball flights happen and what causes them then you don't really need the numbers. But they are nice to have and I want them all! 🤣🤣 That's why the Rapsodo is so good... The ball flight is insanely accurate for the price.

Respectfully that’s garbage you can get more and more data BUT most people DONT need angle of attack. They need to practice using a system that gives them reasonable consistent data AND if budget is an issue - meaning that you would consider one of these devices over more expensive options then you SHOULD save some money for a putting setup and lessons because THAT will make far more of a difference than just another data point …. The m2lm retails for 1000$ and the Garmin for 850$ then if you price out over 5 years the m2lm is approaching 2k … so if you want more data save your money and buy a mevo+ OR budget and spend the money on lessons, approach, and putting. I’m going from Garmin to mevo or sky track- I don’t consider the m2lm “an upgrade”