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Would love to see a driving range test using range balls. That may be the most common use.

a couple of other side by side comparisons of these units found that correct height and perfect alignment to the screen improved the r10 numbers a lot

I've heard from other videos that for the Garmin, it really helps accuracy to be level with your hitting surface and to use an alignment stick to make sure it's not crooked. The Garmin being slightly crooked could be a huge reason for the spin axis numbers being so different. Great video though, guys! Much appreciated

Would love to see you guys use the R10 the correct way. If you look at all the set up stats you should have the R 10 at the same level as the hitting mat Garmin has that as one of their set up situation. The other things is If you back filming camera was in the same place for both units the rapsodo was more directly behind the ball the the R10.

I think the biggest issue here is that there is no mention of what you get WITHOUT the premium memberships. Based on the website all of the best features of the Rapsodo are locked behind the membership. The only things you get with the Garmin membership is Home Tee Hero and video CLOUD storage (w/o membership videos are stored on phone). The Garmin membership is also one membership for all Garmin Golf devices (like the watches, app, etc). To get spin on the Rapsodo you MUST use the RPT golf balls, which means no spin at the driving range, and it appears you MUST pay for the premium membership. So after the fist year you are going to be paying $199/year for the Rapsodo, while you can pay $0 for the Garmin.

Good video guys but the R10 isn’t setup correctly. The bottom of the feet need to be level with the top of the mat and it’s much better for the R10 to be on a stand 😊 also I think everyone knows that the Garmin software is not great. Would have been better to use awesome golf

Quality guys. I use the Garmin R10 on the course on 9-hole practice round. I get distances within 3%. Which is great for gapping & knowing my distances. Even driver is working well now. However, below 9-iron the spin can't be measured. I get anywhere between 1000-4500, and I know I spin my 60 degree wedge 9000 plus. But I LOVE my R10!

Believe you could've been a little more accurate with having the Garmin unit ball level with the ball. It doesn't like being below the ball. Gives much better readings level or even a little higher than the ball even.

Thank y’all for doing this! Helps out with decision making! Trying to build my own home golf simulator.

Guys sold! MLM 2PRO results are insane. I was so excited to see these tests. Plus you can see your swing. I mean for us average golfers. No question this is the best device for training. I would like to see how accurate it still is with range balls or normal balls. I hope a firmware update will happen to include putting. This will be the device of the decade.

As an MLM2 pre-orderer, redo this test with a correct setup for the R10. Super unfair test. I suggest you watch David Maxfield's videos on how to properly set up R10 for maximum accuracy. Also, use Awesome Golf for the R10

Very good review and analysis... Explained very well and no unnecessary talking. Always to the point. Thank you...

Great video but i think the R10 need to be level with the mats,dont you thinks,it does said that on the manual so it might affect the reading a lot….your toughts?

Appreciate the effort. I will wait to see more videos on the MLM2.

Great test. Thanks' guys. In the middle of build a small back garden layout, and clearly from the dimensions you guys were playing with, it looks like the MLM2PRO is the one to go for. Keep up the great work!

Garmin needs to be the same level and sitting level with what you are hitting on. This is very important for accurate numbers with it. Also, a laser that shoots down the line is very good for the Garmin so you know where it is actually aiming.

Great video guys. Ace did my simulator build-out.

Glad I found you guys great content. Just getting back into golf again being away several years due to 3 back surgeries and a neck surgery. This technology wasn’t out then and I am trying to learn about it. Appreciate this video

With all due respect I think your price comparison is totally wrong. While the R10 does have a premium subscription, it's really only for access to Garmin's own simulator and not much else. No data is hidden behind a paywall. IE: Whatever it can measure/calculate is there whether you pay for a sub or not. I didn't pay for a subscription, so the initial cost is all I have paid and will ever pay. And you have access to E6 (true simulation not gimmicky Mario kart graphics) for free. Yes only 5 courses, but also the full E6 driving range, as well as Garmin's driving range etc. So it depends on what you want and need and whether an extra camera angle, storage for shots, and unlocked spin axis etc is worth $200 per year. I think that is a truer and fairer comparison. By year 3, r10 is still $600 and a mlm2 would be $1,100, almost double the cost. I think if you are really serious about seeing your swing progression from two angles (absolutely invaluable and worth it if you are making swing changes) and you want to make sure spin is more "measured" than calculated, then it's not that big a stretch to pay $200 extra a year. But if you just want to practice and see your ball flight etc, or play Sim golf with Doppler accuracy, the R10 is going to do pretty much exactly the same for alot cheaper.

Awesome video. So glad I waited for the MLM2!!!

So much talk about the setup for the R10 being wrong. That’s another point for MLM. If you have to have the r10 perfectly level, calibrate it, buy awesome golf software, make sure it’s lined up, turn it three times and hokey pokey then it needs easier and more accurate setups. Else the average Joe isn’t getting accurate numbers

Wonder if you should have had the Garmin R10 on the same level as the hitting mat, might have given you more accurate numbers

I have been waiting for this video!

I was exactly looking for that comparison - thank you so much!

Nice to have a outdoor test in the feature.

Thanks for the review. Convinced me to go with the rapasodo

Would be interesting to see Rapsodo vs Skytrak, and the same test you did here but outside since radar units tend to work better outside

Great review! Thanks for making this.

Do you guys plan to test it out at the driving range? I hope to have an at home set up one day, but if I were to get this it would primarily be used at my local driving range.

Great video guys, what distances did you have with the mlm2 pro? Unit to ball, ball to screen?

Dude thanks for the video! Will be getting mlm. Was either that or skytrak

I'd really like to see this same test, but at night outside. Thanks for the great info!

Outstanding, well done!!!

Id love to see this same Jo d of test at a driving range outdoors. A lot of us don’t have I door setups and take these devices to the range to use there. I wonder if these results would be any different outdoors with all 3 using crappy range balls.

Would like to see the MLM2 used with the E6 software. Just to see the fluidity and ease. Great vid. Keep the east coast vibes.

Spin axis is an extremely important number. For instance I usually hit a reliable fade with my driver. I've noticed that on an expensive launch monitor like Trackman or GC4 it will capture it. When using a cheap simulator or launch monitor it will often show me hitting a pull hook which completely changes the total carry making the numbers irrelevant.

Would you guys put together a complete at home set up with one of these or a similar product, net, mats, etc and showcase a set up that would be cost feasible for lots of people while still awarding accurate and valuable practice? Maybe comparing contrasting more complete set ups?

Re-level the R10 please. We can't wait to see the result!!! BTW, making video comparing R10 with level adjustment vs. R10 without level adjustment is interesting topic toooo.

Very valuable video, thank you for making this!

Great content! Does the MLM 2 Pro give any measurements or indications of club path, club face at impact, or lie angle other than using the slow-mo replay? I'm mainly wanting to find out if I'm swinging in-to-out/out-to-in, am open/closed at impact, and if I'm toe up/down at impact. Thanks!

awesome thanks for this video! I like to see different software compatibility next. Thanks!

Thanks for the thorough comparison. As a beginning-mid golfer with deteriorating eyesight, my priority is finding a device that can accurately trace my drives so that I can find the ball on the course. Accurate stats are fine, but what device do you recommend for accurately tracing my ball flight and showing me a visual line to where it landed ?

Those numbers are definitely impressive, but according to Rapsodo, you can't use e6 or awesome golf without a $200/yr Rapsodo membership (you also won't get spin numbers without that premium membership). With the Garmin R10, you can play e6 and awesome golf and get all the stats without any kind of Garmin membership. That alone is a pretty big deal considering the majority of people are gonna use e6 or awesome golf with these devices.

Great to finally see a MLM2 review thanks. But I would say your comments about pricing are a bit disingenuous. With the r10 you get all you need in the initial purchase price - Garmin app with multiple ranges, storage of data and download ability via free 3rd person software and most importantly for hobby sim people free life time access to 5 E6 Connect courses and some of their practice areas. I am sure the MLM2 is more accurate but for my slow swing speed and my garage Sim the R10 is more than adequate and is $100 cheaper. But most importantly if I stick with the E6 sim I don’t have to pay any subscriptions at all. Saving me $199 a year. I hate subscription software!

Good video, thanks for posting it! I recently bought a used R10 after doing a ton of research. Unfortunately, Garmin's app is know to be a little off with carry distance even when using the RCT ball. I wish they would tweak their algorithms a bit and make it more accurate. There is a solution though. Awesome golf paired with the R10 and RCT or metallic dot golf balls gives extremely accurate carry distance. For some reason Awesome Golf knows how design their algorithm but Garmin doesn't. They can take all the R10 data points and tell you exactly how far the ball carried, but Garmin is a little off. The R10 is okay with shot shape/spin axis, but will never be as good as the Rapsodo for that one piece of data. Radar only will never pick up the gear effect from toe and heel shots. Only a camera based system can see that. I'm guessing those driver shots were hit off the toe and would not have faired well on an actual golf course. For someone who hits the middle of the face more often the spin axis difference would not be nearly as large.

Would love to see you do a test with the new Swing Caddy SC4. I am looking at that as well as the two you just tested.

Wow. Great comparison video. Good findings and analysis.

Bought the R10 a little over a week ago based on solid reviews…wish I had seen this one before buying. I play to an 8 handicap so I’m fairly consistent with my ball strikes. My yardages are based on what I visually see at the range based in units of 5 & 10 yards since I’m estimating. This has served me well, but I was hoping to get more accurate yardages with this device. The yardages were short but decently close with my wedges, but got progressively worse as I worked my way up the bag to driver. I hit my 7 iron about 160yd, but the R10 was reading 135-140 even though I was consistently landing my ball at a flag I ranged at 158. I typically hit my driver around 260+/- which I’ve tracked with gps when walking my round, yet the R10 said I was having trouble carrying 200 and only getting 210-220 total distance. I measured and re-measured recommended and suggested distances with a measuring tape, but no improvement in accuracy was to be seen. For $600 I was losing a ton of expected accuracy both indoor on a mat and outdoor off the grass, so it was returned 2 days ago…just glad I got my money back and not store credit. However, I did order a sleeve of RCT balls on eBay for $30 that’s on it’s way based on improved accuracy reviews, so that’ll be a loss. I was never expecting pin point accuracy, but did expect decent numbers close to my estimations.

Great video idea... why are all the averages so far off. A quick calculation of the driver R10 numbers show an average of around 638 not 874. Why you do the R10 so dirty? Lots of the others were off too... weird. Rapsode averaged 109.67 not 70 difference on the driver. Anyway, good luck with the next spreadsheet. =(x+y+z)/3 Maybe there was data from other hits that were included in those averages and not just the three shown in the spreadsheet? Curious.

Did you calibrate the R10 before you hit? You're supposed to do that every time you turn it on. And yes as other comments mention it definitely works better when it's set up at the same level as the hitting mat. Also optimal distance behind the mat is 7 feet not 6... Also the Garmin automatically uses your local weather as it's default settings so if it was a little cold or was any sort of wind that day it's factoring it in. Not sure what the rapsodo does on that front.

Really need to see this test with range balls.

Could you do a test vs the gc3 with normal/range balls? If the rapsodo is accurate with range balls it would be so worth it as a range tool!

I have the R10 and I’m fairly new to golf(this is my third season playing). Seeing the huge number differences in different data points is very alarming. I’m by no means going to ever be a professional golfer, however, I would like my launch monitor to be fairly accurate and not way off like the R10 is. I pulled the trigger on the R10 because it was available and I didn’t want to wait for the Rapsodo 2. I will get the Rapsodo 2 eventually. I do like how the R10 gives you a key code for E6 to unlock 5 courses to keep for life at no extra cost. Also the Pinseeker app is fun to use through E6 for some free tournaments 😏 keep the God Tier content coming, sorry for the long winded response.

Great review, guys! As an avid R10 user, one thing that I really struggle with regarding the R10 is chip shots 15 yards or shorter. It seems that the R10 is very finicky with small shots and it will sometimes take me 5-10 shots before it registers, and usually I go long. Any way you could review the MLM and it's performance with these small shots?

Good video , like every one else is requesting. Outdoor , range balls , 30,50,75,100 shots. Compare LML to Trackman or GC whatever you can compare against outdoors. Most folk want to use these at range and Rapsodo seem to be very cagey about showing this at range for some reason mmm ?

I wonder if the R10 was not aimed perfectly straight? That said, I'm on the market for one of these now. I'm glad I waited for the MLM2Pro to come out before dropping the cash on the R10. The impact camera alone is worth waiting for.

What about the MLM2 with a normal ball. Not the callaway with visual spin dots. You did it for the R10, why not the mlm2? And what about the MLM2 with the RTC? does the radar pick up the RTC at all?

I had the previous rapsodo and it was horrible, got the R10 and although not perfect it has improved my game by always working when I use it, comes with some courses free and shows shot shapes and distances to be closes enough. Hope they get this one right but Ill wait for more reviews

Do you get shot tracer on the indoor range with the MLM?

I use an R10 with Awesome golf which was purchased and GS Pro. GS Pro for indoor golf rounds. Outdoor practice area I have 80 balls in a shag bag all balls have a foil tape the size of small 1/4 inch * 3/4 inch. These work absolutely fine. Indoors I use balls dedicated to indoors here mainly Prov 1 or a decent ball. Awesome golf now allows you to export you shot records on a spreadsheet. Garmin golf is OK I don't hate it Home Tee hero is great fun. It is common knowldege the Garmin software reads screwy readings, awesome golf reads better, very accurate.

One thing that seems a little odd in the testing is the delta between shots during the Garmin session compared to the Rapsodo sessions. Like the ball speed on the driver testing; there is a 20-50mph ball speed delta. Once I've hit a few balls, ball speed fluctuates very little for me and I'm a hack. Similar "odd" deltas are noticed with the spin axis results (I know the Garmin can be terrible in this area from first hand experience). I'm referencing the GC3 (your control group) readings for all of this. I have the Garmin and ordered the Rapsodo Feb 1st so it will be interesting to see how close different they are in the hands of a trash golfer but the test procedure feels like it might have leaned a little more to one manufacturer vs the other. Regardless, I'm excited to get my hands on the Rapsodo and the purchase was completely based on your first video covering it two months ago. Appreciate the content.

what a great video and comparison to a really great device the GC3 GREAT JOB

Great review. Would love to see the same test / results with non rct balls.

Will the MLM pro be ready to integrate into E6 right out of the box and are there detailed instructions somewhere? also when will we be able to buy more RPT balls? 3 will not last long.

As a R10 user for a year, you did this test wrong. 1. Use awesome golf it is more accurate than garmin software. 2. Use a stand with a bubble level to make sure the R10 is level and BASE of tripod is at level of the ball. 3. Use a Ryobi laser cube to make sure you’re lined up. I set it down facing left naturally for some reason. Annoying to do all this but with the R10 you need to do this to get good numbers. I’m contemplating getting the mlm2pro, but spin behind a paywall is just greed from rapsodo and that’s annoying.

Can y’all do a test outside on grass to see how they compare. I have a Mevo and notice some severe discrepancies especially once I get into the longer irons

When will rapsodo be taking orders? I’ve been on the waitlist for 2 weeks.

I would agree with some on here I think the results may vary if the garmin was on the same level.

Worth Selling r10 for Rapsodo? Also does Rap work on GS Pro?

How does it perform outside? Bigger question for me.

Does E6 offer a free range and courses with the MLM2 like R10?

We would like to thank our sponsor for this video “Rapsodo”

You guys have become one of my favorite creators for great info and reviews! Keep um comin!!!

Great video!

It seems like the angle of the swing capture on the rapsodo doesn’t capture the whole swing. What are your thoughts on this? Can the rapsodo be set on something higher and still capture the ball data?

Wonder if when using the RCT ball if it needs to be in a certain position for the R10 to get more accurate measurements. I'd imagine the foil lines would want to be horizontal with the R10 and not vertical or angled...I could see where that would effect the spin axis.

Was the r10 calibrated in your test?

Guys...A BIG Thank You for putting this together...some great graphics w/ the excel file!!! In reading the previous comments...possibly a setup issue with the R10...but all in all it was very interesting! Thanks for the info! ❤

I'd like to know about accuracy outside. I don't hit into screens or nets.

Do you think the R10 numbers would be better outside on the range?

please do a comparison for the voice caddie sc4 as well. thx

Can both monitors work with the foam ball?

Excited about the MLM2. The only negative thing is the Rapsodo simulator software doesn't have multiplayer. I don't want to get two subscriptions

Interesting, but I don't think 3 shots is a great sample size. Would need hundreds of each shot type and then discard all the outliers. Plus as others have said the R10 wasn't at the same level as the ball. But you have all the groundwork done for further testing. I have the Mevo+ so would be curious how it compares.

We already know that Garmin app numbers are not accurate, but the Awesome Golf with Garmin is as accurate as GC3? It would be worth the test to see if the unit measurement is an issue or if the app is an issue. It may just be the app? Perhaps a test worth your time.

Hi guys. Regarding your test between the Garmin R10 and the Rapsodo mlm2pro. Just thought I'd mention that I watched another channel talking about how to fully optimised the Garmin R10. I noticed maybe 2 things that may be causing the Garmin to be off in directional curve etc. You need to slightly move the Garmin left or right. Maybe use a string line to align parallel with the ball and intended direction. Also I noticed that the Garmin was below the mat level. So maybe try raising the Garmin up to be level with the hitting surface. Hope this helps😁. Regards David from Perth West Australia

what analytics are included without the paid subscription for mlm2pro?

Can mlm2pro be used hitting at a simulator impact screen outside?

I'm curious to see the new swing caddie sc4 compared the the rapsodo

What about a comparison with Skytrak? Would you be able to provide that data?

The garmin is very sensitive to objects nearby. I have read comments about people having to build cages around their projectors to block the interference. So, I am wondering if the gc3 in front may impact the readings?

Can you do a video of the R10 working with the GSPro platform?

Would love to see a comparison between the MLM Pro 2 and the Swing Caddie SC4.

I'd love to see this test redone outdoors. I don't have an indoor space and will only be utilizing a launch monitor on the range outdoor. The issue you have is that the MLM2Pro won't do spin without the special ball, which is why I won't be buying it. But I'd still love to see you do a comparison of these 2 plus the SC4 (and SC300i if you feel like it) to see who is best outdoors.

Are there any plans to add club path, club face angle, angle of attack to the MLM2Pro metrics? Without those metrics, I think the R10 still has the upper hand.

I’ve got the MLM2 Pro for a week now and we really like it. We would like to know if Rapsodo can give us the option to have instant reply for the impact vision and also the option to playback swings in slow motion.

Im sorry but you made a mistake in the comparions. When the Garmin R10 is lower than the ball, the carry distance becomes lower. When you have your ball on a mat, you have to prop up the Garmin so that they are at equal height. This is why the carry was so off. I have used the garmin r10 with a trackman using rct balls, the carry and spin is spot on. But the spin axis not good.

How do Apps such as shot vision and Golfboy compare to this kind of hardware launch monitor?

Can these launch monitors measure club head speed without a ball for swing speed training?