That should really be for pleasure, not business...

Lisa Simpson

@@2nd3rd1st Pleasure is my business?

They look like baby x570 boards without chipset fans

So you stare at the motherboard when playing games instead of the monitor? Interesting... 🤔

@@glardimy yeah because your pc just disappears when you stop playing games

@@AndiMon64 his point is do you focus on using the pc or just stare and think about how "cool" it looks

@@kurobushi7746 well I think that is not for you to decide.

I was just about to comment this! 🤣🤣🤣

@James Russo . Nice joke. However if you think about it, he isn't in "business" for that, he isn't a gigilo.... Or is he?

@@robertt9342 well marriage is a social contract, so it can be categorized a sort of business right? 🤔

this is why i keep my wife chained in the basement. no need to worry about that shit

@@Blox117 welp that escalated quickly

Try out r/buildapcsales. I searched it a few times a day for over a week. Now i have a new customized desktop built today. I went with asus Tuf x570 Edit: they find a motherboard almost everyday

I know that feeling I had to wait nearly two weeks to get my motherboard after back ordering it. Glad I did as the back order even sold out every where on the US.

I know right? It's even worse if you're going for a mini ITX board for an sff/htpc build, considering the ton of compromises you have to make already. I've run into a looooot of complaints about itx x570 boards and in the end, while it was for future proofing, I decided I was better off with a b450 anyways.

True can’t even buy one had to pre order

@@enajarro21 Now I can pre-order asrocks b550's on Newegg.

I think you fell under the spell of marketing...oh no!

Oooohhh!!! Burned!

Glad you cleared that up, nice work Greg! I was about to comment but yeah check it out - www.amd.com/en/technologies/store-mi

AMD is instead developing an in-house solution.

I think it would have survived but AMD never really marketed it at all

Never really use it, way too complex for average user, really, in my country, average mean noob

I hate my Asus prime board. It has a dead pcie express slot, what one do you recommend? I don't really like x570 but I'll also probably upgrade to a 3900x because my 2600x isn't cutting it. Integrated wifi and q codes are a must so I've debated on the b550 Tiachi or the Strix E. Thanks Greg! I appreciate your content

yup 550 is stillborn the vast majority of people need to jump on a 450 or 470 with the features you like, they are getting 4xxx cpu's the only reason to jump up to a 5xx mobo is if you want pcie 4 storage

Want a guaranteed upgrade path to Zen 3 in the future then B550 or X570 it would seem.

Since ps5 is revolutionizing ssds we may see an ssd that will push pcie 4.0, but thats speculation

Why even change to x470. Offers usually nothing over b450 other than SLI. B550 has a chance to work with Ryzen 5000, but not guaranteed yet. At least there is some hope, since it sounds like AMD is actually keeping am4 around for longer than people expected. There is some pretty good $130 b550 boards out there right now, with VRMs better than any b450, and 80% of x470.

eugkra33 depends if ryzen 5 supports ddr5 which won’t work on any current board. Still better off using what you have when there’s no real reason to upgrade.

Of course not. But I would not buy a B450 for a new PC.

Roland Strauss why i am going for it

A

X Especially when they're paired in three letters

Z :P

Bees cause they can actually kill in high numbers. Axes on the other hand can chop your head off at most, nothing serious.

MSI boards are underrated. Even the low end. 👍 Good to hear it's running good. Hows the IPC on 3900x vs your 2600x, i.e general snappiness, opening desktop files, browsing, etc. I have the same CPU in a x470 MSI M7. But my lord, its a lot slower compared to my 7700K on my other PC in literally everything besides rendering video.

jellybeans 55 I wouldn’t doubt it

@jellybeans 55 Sounds more like they meant the 2600X, otherwise they wouldn't be asking about the performance of the 3900X.

@@MistahMOB ​ IPC (if it's IPC and not single core performance you meant, I see the two confused all the time) has improved by 10-15%, while actual single core performance is something like 20% better, ignoring other improvements in the architecture like lower core to core and ccx to ccx latency which affect snappiness. In any observable metric, the 3900X is a decent deal faster than the 7700K although a big overclock on the 7700K can help it catch up in most games. Probably shouldn't be buying a 12 core CPU if all you do is game though as the 3700X is better suited for that. Browser, office, productivity benchmarks etc. all put Zen 2 chips at the very least above the 7700K. My 2700X did feel like it wasn't quite as snappy as it could be but I can't say the same for my 3900X.

@jellybeans 55 than a 2600x my bad

Madlad. Don’t forget the rgb

am5 is, at least, 1 year away

AM5 is 2022. And ddr5 will likely be very expensive at launch

Current APU's can handle light gaming

2022 according to Gamers Nexus

John Ashby Definitelt! I have seen the move from ddr to dd2 to ddr3 to ddr4 and always the new memory has been ridigilously expensive a couple of or years... wait three years from then release and the price difference is not anymore huge. And for that reason the middle range and low end motherboards support new memory two or three years after the memory release. So 2022 Sounds about right for ddr5 X-series motherboards, 2023 for B-series and for A-series... who knows 2025?

To be fair the Xbox Serie X use a 2.4gig raw speed drive witch is pretty low. A good PCI3 NVME run faster. Only the PS5 use a super good 5gig raw drive (not talking about compressed) witch is the speed of the PC NMVE PCI4 drive that are out there. So only 1st party game will probably use it..

Lol. Consoles are not real PC's and don't have busses or pciE the way PC's do. There is a reason for the pc master race with it's higher prices and superior io over consoles. It's low end proprietary bs

@@ryogaming4771 it's hype don't believe it. Remember Sony once said their PS3 was superior to a pc 😁. Morons at work believed it years later when they told me 30 fps was normal and no way could a Titan beat a Sony ps3

@Rufus Watson ignorance is a bliss for the console peasants who laugh and can't prove me wrong. Enjoy your 60 fps

And the option of upgrading to a gen4 drive and/or GPU once they're less expensive or even common in the near future.

If you go for 12 to 16 core cpus, then vrm matbe matters, but best b450 handless 16 core 3950 just fine so... unles you have very crappy b350 or b450 no need for that. Most people who Are gonna buy will use 6 to 8 core cpus in anyway so a320 would be good enough...

@@haukionkannel No, just no, look at hardware unboxeds testing of B450 VRM's most boards where dangerously hot (obviously some exceptions) also try and oc on A320 shit didn't even really get any support down the road. this video is pretty bad and shows just how dumb greg is, no one's gonna be upgrading from B450 boards, B550 is aimed at people coming from intel/older generations who are looking to build a great PC at a good value.

Thanks for watching!

@@GregSalazar Love the simplicity of this comment, and the comment thread itself.

Hardware Unboxed is actually recommending B550 boards because of the better VRMs (the vast majority of them have better VRMs than even the B450 Tomahawk Max iirc). Personally I think MOST B450 boards will be fine for most users, but I do wonder about whether the better VRMs which are on the vast majority of B550 boards might be worthwhile for giving better long-term system reliability, or for allowing better performance or better overclocking, especially with 6 and 8-core Zen 3 CPUs in the future. My guess would be that a B450 Tomahawk and a case with good ventilation will be more than sufficient to provide safe, reliable power and operating temperatures even for an 8-core Zen 3 CPU, but that you might sacrifice a little bit in terms of boost performance or overclockability, especially for heavily threaded workloads (but not so much for gaming, which will continue to be less demanding regarding power delivery even for games which are optimized for 8-cores a few years from now). It's the cheaper (or crappier) B450 boards which are more likely to have issues with 6-8 core Zen 3 CPUs, but even still, I suspect that the biggest issues will just be marginally lower performance, or reduced ability to overclock. For 12+ core systems, it seems like you might as well pay a little bit more for better VRMs, because it seems more likely that you're going to get some kind of benefit in terms of reliability, performance, and/or overclocking, especially if you plan to upgrade to a 12+ core Zen 3 CPU in the future (but then there might be an X570 board which is even more suitable for your needs?). It might also matter if, for some weird reason, you know that the motherboard is going to be used for an unusually hot case, like maybe in a very compact matx case, or in a super hot climate with no air-conditioning (and this seems like a very unlikely/ rare use-case scenario). Aside from the more plausible benefits a B550 board is likely to give for a 12+ core CPU, the biggest benefit of a B550 board with good VRMs might just be that you can get away with running even an 8-core Zen 3 CPU in a very poorly ventilated case with minimal impact on performance or system health, but if that's true, then obviously your money would be much better spent on upgrading your damned case or case fans!

Ayyyyy Dani

Thanks for watching!

yeah i was thinking the same thing then when i heard about the prices of B550 i was like yeah for future upgrades sure but the x570 will do same thing but with better pci4 so i went x570

5 series doesn't support Zen 4 when it comes out. That requires a new socket. Did you mean ryzen 4000 (Zen3) in which case yes it does but so will some B450's

It isnt eol. Youreforgetting to follow all the news

You almost gave me heart attack dude. I checked again. New BIOS coming out for b450 owners. Tomahawk MAXer here.

Incorrect. 4 series boards will be able to support coming processors through what they're calling "selective bios" updates, where it only has the agesa code for the series of processor you'll be using. Also, if you have a max board, that extra flash memory will be used later.

It will But so will b450 Zen4 will likely feature ddr5 and b550 would be likely dead

@@evila9076 I was thinking full support including Gen 4 PCIe. B450 cannot and will never be able to do that. Even if it's only for one more release.

@@Trick-Framed trust me mate in the real world pcie4 doesn't matter. pcie3 nvme ssds are already super fast. just save your money for something else. b550 may support future gens of zen unlike b450 and that would be a good reason to get it. but not actually pcie4 support.

@@evila9076 Yes indeed, future proofing is THE only practical reason outside of specific use case scenarios

@@evila9076 every person have a reason to buy something so you can't force people to believe what you say

yeah but that’s not the case yet. B450 boards are still readily available for way under $200. Gigabyte’s B450M DS3H is $70 USD.

@@alexkwan3 thats like...barebones. i can afford a little more than just a cheap itx board. I want strix boards for the $129 msrp

FeelTheBirdie then get those. i’m just providing an example. i checked and B450’s aren’t even near $200 right now.

@@alexkwan3 no retailer has the good b450s now theyre all out of stock which has caused prices on ebay to hit over 200 bucks

If you can find one for MSRP lol

@@Blitzburgh17 Agreed, a lot of part's are in short supply, and pricing has gone up by 10-20%. I was lucky to get all my bits in February this year, just before the sh!t hit the fan.

I have one. I ended up using most of the Sata ports for my hotswap storage. It’s been great with the Ryzen 3600.

@@JohnWuWei Yep great overall value.

Tbh man, they're £40 in the UK, an absolute steal really, they can run up to a 3600 comfortably. I use one in my secondary PC for LANs and that I use to host a Minecraft server. Been impressed, it's an AsRock board

@@Al3ksandrOrlov is it an ASRock A320M board?

@@Javaboymk03 it's a AsRock, A320M DVS R 4.0

@@Al3ksandrOrlov mine is an ASRock A320M-HDV, it is a very solid board, though the BIOS could use some improvement

@@Javaboymk03 what could do with improvement bios wise? I don't ask that sarcastically lol, mine made me laugh as it had the option to OC ram to 8000mhz. I imagine our boards are pretty darn similar then? I got 2X8GB DDR4 because I knew 8 wouldn't be enough for my usage.

You got the budget one mate?

@@rubaiyatmehedi9337 What budget I've so you mean?

@@EEESRAINMAN I asked if you had bought one of the cheaper b450s. How's it holding up?

@@rubaiyatmehedi9337 I have the Asus Strix B450-F. One of the more expensive B450's. I got a streal of a deal on it at microcenter though. ($70) If I knew then what I know now, I would have gotten the MSI tomahawk for the better VRM's and the VRM heatsinks not being covered by plastic. Mine is holding up very well though. I don't have my CPU overclocked because I actually get better frame rates in games letting it boost on its own. Also, I have pretty good airflow in my meshify c case, so my VRM temps haven't been a problem.

@@EEESRAINMAN 70 bucks is a solid deal tbh. I got the tomahawk after I bricked my gigabyte one lol. And it's a tank my 3600 runs at 4.3Ghz. couldn't be happier

you can upgrade to zen 3 on b450 and x470s too.