If your room is small and you cannot separate your loudspeakers as much as you'd like for best imaging, is it a good idea to add a little toe out?
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@BTom163 ай бұрын
Its really cool.to see the three different speaker models together. This must be extremely gratifying for Paul and Chris to see the fruit of this labour transformed into something they can be proud of. Kudos, gentlemen. ❤
@1111cowball3 ай бұрын
I liked at once when I spotted all loudspeaker standing nicely
@oliverbeard79123 ай бұрын
A veritable wall of sound behind Paul there.😊
@vintagesawyer62463 ай бұрын
Paul , can you convince my wife that audio equipment is beautiful and should be seen as well as heard ? Nope , neither can I . 😢
@jayem18262 ай бұрын
Oh man. I feel for my brother-in-law. He had to put his speakers in the wall. My sister will never understand.
@SpyderTracks3 ай бұрын
So good to see the range alongside each other to get a real idea of the dimensions between them. The FR30s really are quite huge aren’t they. Really need to hear these up close and personal.
@babubabu123453 ай бұрын
Speakers Box Designed are Amazing...
@RichTeer3 ай бұрын
One caveat I would add to this generally sound (no pun intended!) advice is that Martin Logan electrostatics have a curved panel an ML recommend that the inner third of the curve points toward one’s ears. So if one sits further back than an equilateral triangle would dictate, in my experience some mild toe out is called for. As usual, people should listen for themselves to determine the best amount (if any) toe in or toe out.
@jeffsloane86283 ай бұрын
Acoustic Tsunami!? Good lord Paul. That must be the 1% that isn't True ;-) Another great video and congratulations on the FR speaker line up. They look great!
@avh7003 ай бұрын
For "s and giggles" I would try them out as a surround system durring set up or better yet in tear down just to see how they sound in that set up.
@JJ-no2ob3 ай бұрын
Nice to see the full range of PS Audio full range speakers 😊 I’ll see ya at Axpona ( I hope you’re bringing the new baby speakers -FR5)!
@lovejago2 ай бұрын
LOVE YA PAUL!!!!!!
@edmondj032 ай бұрын
Paul, I hope one day we can get to hear and see PS Audio speakers and amplifiers here in Malaysia
@OldTooly2 ай бұрын
Moving off axis, on some designs, can be a nice improvement in tweeter fidelity. Many tweeters shriek or produce sibilance when played a bit loud and moving off the direct line of sight can reduce that unwanted effect. Also, the questioner mentioned having them unusually close together and it helps a bunch to toe them out to some degree because your seating position will also be closer and tweeters direct coupling with your ears is rarely optimal. So off axis can also smooth that out some. Each speaker, each room , each listener will be a custom setup so experiment to what pleases you.
@richardshippful3 ай бұрын
No FR 5s Good looking speakers I would like to here them strut
@endrizo2 ай бұрын
aaa nice ..all together now
@logtothebase23 ай бұрын
I like what Kef do with their modern themed speaker cabinet designs like the LS50s , Paint them! Hey Paul, how about fluro orange camo or duck egg blue as a custom paint option?
@nickthequick3 ай бұрын
Where does the room come in? If you are in a wide and short room situation, surely that is different from being in a narrow but long one - or what?
@velchuck3 ай бұрын
“Very wise Grasshopper” 😀
@antonyharding53603 ай бұрын
Paul for king ❤❤❤
@jamestorres47053 ай бұрын
I hope I win the lottery one day so I could purchase a PS Audio system.
@nirodha353 ай бұрын
Who in their right mind would toe out their speakers… I mean REALLY🙈. Must be out of serious questions🥳
@RoderikvanReekum3 ай бұрын
FR 10's look the best to me. Especially in a small room off course.
@glenncurry30413 ай бұрын
I know you are in favor of what is the most popular recommendation of an equilateral triangle arrangement. Speakers equal distance apart as from the listening position. Way back in the day when I was in Audio I remember it being a 2/3rds ratio. The speakers 2 units apart for every 3 units to the listener. 6' apart gave an 9' from each speaker listening spot. Perhaps for those with space restrictions this ratio would work.
@stefanblutke80533 ай бұрын
Hi Paul, may I ask you why you have an isosceles triangle in your speaker setups usually? If I watch you vids I always see that the distance between the speaker is much shorter than from the speaker to the listening position. Sometimes you‘ll see that very good, depending where you‘ve placed your camera. I would guess you have for example 8 feet between the fr30 / fr20 and 10 feet from speaker to listener. Considering that you have ideal conditions in you specialised rooms (in the opposite to us „ordinary guys“ ) you easily could have set them up in an equilateral triangle. I also ask you because you strongly talk and write about having the speaker setup to equilateral whenever its possible. Thanx Steven from Germany
@scottborenstein82913 ай бұрын
You don’t want the tweeter energy bouncing off the walls on purpose.
@grumpy94783 ай бұрын
or any energy for that matter. keep the ratio of direct to reflected signal biased to direct. toe-out is not a sin - if one is in a wide mid- or far-field space & the side-walls are a "good" distance from the speakers. speaker radiating pattern is also a factor, as Paul points out. ultimately it is a matter of acoustical-tuning-to-taste in your space, listening position, perception & the playback system you have. years ago, when I was in the driver / speaker biz (after many years as an audio / music enthusiast), it occurred to me that one creates a sort of musical instrument ... that integrates ALL elements (including design aesthetic), leaving the listener to do their part too. perception management is up to the listener.
@logtothebase23 ай бұрын
Meet the family.
@andyd91263 ай бұрын
I think what the guy meant was, if the listening chair is moved back should the speakers be less toed in.
@JohnDoe-pc9qf3 ай бұрын
No toe of any kind. This is the proper way my son.
@richardshippful3 ай бұрын
They should have the Subwoofer out next year. Center channel not likely.
@user-ko8kx8vf1k3 ай бұрын
Always hated white speakers looks like had left over wood from trim in room so decided to make speakers to match wood trim. 😅
@bigjay19703 ай бұрын
Seems like they should be more concerned about setup than burn in based on some recent past situations.🤔🤫🙄
@garysmith84553 ай бұрын
Yes, I saw those reviews from the last show....
@bigjay19703 ай бұрын
@@garysmith8455 🤫😬🤐
@louisperlman80303 ай бұрын
Just position a pair of Bose 901’s backwards 😊
@endrizo2 ай бұрын
come ooooon paul.. just push play. play something.. anything... show them alive
@endrizo2 ай бұрын
mmm still room and rich people for a bigger FR40
@ThreeDogShow3 ай бұрын
All the speakers even the closest are towed in and they are less than 8-10ft. So who set up that room? Hmmm
@Mark-lq3sb2 ай бұрын
Not a listening room. Temporary set up for burning in new equipment before taking all to Axpona audio show.
@L.Scott_Music3 ай бұрын
Only if they are really big and don't work anymore. (Haha!)
@AlexAparicio3 ай бұрын
Ok. Ok. No toe in under 8 feet. Very useful information
@user-oq9mv8pc2g3 ай бұрын
No
@marcse7en2 ай бұрын
In 45 years of Hi-Fi experience, I can honestly say I've NEVER heard of "toeing out" loudspeakers! ... It's incredible how much nonsense is connected with Hi-Fi. Enthusiasts will believe anything (particularly if it's expensive!), if they think it'll make their system sound better! It's sad, really! 🤣 In the context of new equipment, it's called "break in," and not "burn in." Break in is also useful for detecting faults in new equipment.
@Natan90003 ай бұрын
Toe in, burn in, power supplies, so many confusing opinions in hifi country. I’m still not sure what’s the truth 😅 nice video and thanks for all the information you share ❤
@jorgebravo79803 ай бұрын
I’d suggest to try them for yourself and draw your own conclusions 👍🏻
@cesarjlisboa75863 ай бұрын
I think that’s about time for all loudspeakers designers start work on omnidirectional loudspeakers, using AI. Don’t make sense to have a sweet spot in a living room any longer.
@brenmangood3 ай бұрын
A "living room" setup is a lot different than a "music room" setup. Is your space multipurpose or dedicated to music listening? Is it mostly for watching movies in multichannel surround sound or two speaker stereo for serious music listening?
@screamallyouwant3 ай бұрын
Only a center channel and a sub missing.
@garysmith84553 ай бұрын
Center channel NOT good for TRUE STEREO recordings = 2 channels. I do agree with the subwoofer. I enjoy 2.1 but not 3.1, save that for the movies LOL.