Should you use a Drysuit for Buoyancy Control? (@

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Freeman Adventure Video

Freeman Adventure Video

5 жыл бұрын

Back after a 3 month hiatus for the coldest of my cold water trips yet! The Skookumchuk Narrows in February.
In this video we arrive and do our checkout dive and I delve into the highly contentious topic of using a drysuit for buoyancy control. Comments are my opinion and should not be taken as instructions.
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@the-real-chaosaffe
@the-real-chaosaffe 5 жыл бұрын
There is one simple reason to _never_ use your drysuit for buoyancy control: Safety Your drysuit is designed to keep you dry, but it can fail, and a flooded drysuit is not designed to be able to be purged from water intrusion. Your BCD has multiple venting points specifically designed to be purge water intrusion, and can still provide adequate lift even when full of water. Additionally BCD's are also made of much more durable material, and are therefore less likely to fail. I agree with you, when you are starting out the instinct is to use the suit to control your buoyancy, but you have far less control. Open your suits autovent to full open and learn to tilt your arm to release air from the suit. Add gas to your suit to adjust for compression as you descend, but always use your BCD for controlling your buoyancy.
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jason, Yep you pretty much summed it up. The only thing I really feel the need to say is that I was trying to give people beneficial reasons to try using the BCD, rather than reasons not to use the drysuit. Normally I find people will be attracted to benefits but ignore warnings. I hope that came through in the video. Sorry for the slow reply btw, had some things going on outside of Yt that needed my full attention.
@w.stevefreeman8169
@w.stevefreeman8169 6 ай бұрын
My experience with a drysuit emphasized proper ballast weighting and the associated aux equipment. I always used a dedicated argon inflation supply for the suit with a wing BCD and double steel LP cylinders. The wing BCD did eliminate the rollover problem. The LP's are about as neutral as you can get a back gas supply to be. I never did any dives in cold or deep water that did not need the wing and doubles, plus a 80% deco bottle, so I can't recommend a single cylinder setup. In SW with a 7mm wet suit, I normally take 13# to be just about neutral at the surface and about 5# more with a drysuit. My suit was custom made to measure but I still had a problem with suit air migrating to my lower body. Adding gaiters did help. I did get really proficient in the tuck and roll. The suit was trimmed to keep a slight squeeze and the BCD did the actual compensation, biased more to the suit at depth. I'd never do a full dive without being progressively trained on every bit of gear and I'd never task a suit to be a BCD. Then only with it all in place, checked for function and cross-checked, would I step off. A lot of this is my training, NAUI & TDI, and my preferences. Stay safe.
@cycleSCUBA
@cycleSCUBA 7 ай бұрын
BCD. Adding additional air to a drysuit to get positive buoyancy and your trim will go and you rock and roll all over the place.
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 7 ай бұрын
BCD or drysuit why would you ever be trying to get positively buoyant? When drysuit diving for me I empty the BCD at the surface to sink, then add air to the drysuit as I descend until I reach my bottom and achieve neural buoyancy/ fend of suit squeeze. After that (towards the end of the dive or around reaching around 40 feet) It's a game of letting air out of the drysuit to manage the ascent. I'll only really make use of the BCD again after I reach the surface after the safety stop.
@kassor.tumlaren7154
@kassor.tumlaren7154 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have been using dry suits for almost 20 years and I also teach using them. I teach and use the dry suit as bouyancy for two reasons. 1 If you use the BCD you will be able to use less air in the suit which means less insulation If you are correctly weighted you will never end up with too much air in your suit. My suit is still a bit squeezed when I am perfectly bouyanced. 2. If you use air in both your BCD and suit, in case of an unwanted acend, or if you for some reason need raise up or move a bit shallower fast you will have to control the expanding air in both the BCD and the suit which is an unnecessary risk. To minimize the risk of getting air in your boots you see to that you get the correct size as well as filling the space with thick socks. Lastly it is important to learn and practice how to control the air in the suit, if you get too much air in your boots you should by reflex dip your feet in order for the air to leave the boots, getting light feet should never come as a surprise. Standing on your head in a dry suit for watching small critter, filming or taking photos is not a problem if you control the air in the suit. None of my students, dive buddies or another diver in the same group have never rushed to the surface with their feet first after completed the training in the course. Some have experienced light feet of course but the have handled it before it has become an issue. It all comes down to practice and always react fast on "light" feet.
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kassor, I hope I didn't come off as against using the Drysuit for buoyancy because I was also trained that way and find managing the one air pocket far easier than trying to manage two. Its funny there's another instructor further below in the comment who is the total opposite: 20 years teaching and swears up and down that its wrong to use the Drysuit for buoyancy, he couldn't give a reason as to why its wrong (and I asked him for one) but oh well, doesn't hurt me any. My goal in this video wasn't to say if its right or wrong but more to lay out pros and cons as I saw them (via my own experience and some research I did beforehand) people can decide for themselves what they prefer.
@mikesonntag7698
@mikesonntag7698 6 ай бұрын
Much safer to use both imo. I was taught that way and yes it is more to manage at first but you get used to it. You should only use the inflator to take the squeeze off. Unless you don't care about trim or looking like a blimp. If you ask any tech instructor or DIR there is only one answer and I trust their opinions since they are the top in our profession.
@stephenciesielski8403
@stephenciesielski8403 4 жыл бұрын
I’m currently taking the PADI drysuit course the way my instructor is teaching me starting out is on the surface use bcd on the bottom use drysuit! However if the drysuit malfunctions then use your BCD so technically you use both depending on the situation! Drysuit fails switch over to BCD to ascend but use drysuit to prevent suit squeeze and control buoyancy on the bottom
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Stephen, yep that's what I was taught as well. Typically the air I put in to get rid of "the squeeze" is enough or almost enough to get me to neutral buoyancy at the bottom, and im fairly buoyant (40 lbs) so it works out.
@divewithRJ
@divewithRJ 3 жыл бұрын
I think this question depends on what temperature your diving. If you diving in Canada but learned in the tropics, you should use your suit for buoyancy. But this also depends on how warm your undergarments can keep you, if your using neoprene or trilam, etc. This also depends on your tolerance to being cold or feeling freezing.
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly struggle to think of what naysayers are picturing when I say "buoyancy control" with a Drysuit, air goes in as I descend to at depth, after that I dump as needed coming up to avoid rocketing up. Do other divers spend a lot of their dives continually adding and dumping air over the course of a dive?
@divewithRJ
@divewithRJ 3 жыл бұрын
@@ScubaSEAsons for sure Ill have to add and dump depending on the bottom.. depending on how you dive. I was an instructor from the tropics and still consider myself new to drysuit diving, started last summer. I was told to just use your suit for buoyancy and your bcd only at the surface pretty much. When I tried using bcd for buoyancy, I got cold way faster.
@andrebakkers6619
@andrebakkers6619 5 жыл бұрын
Hey. Till about 30m I only use my drysuit for trimming, deeper use my wing.
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 5 жыл бұрын
That makes sense, I rarely drop below 30m in cold water, I find its too much air for to little time
@jarosawjurgielewicz8292
@jarosawjurgielewicz8292 Жыл бұрын
Nurkuję od ok. 25 lat, prawie zawsze w zimnych wodach, z czego ponad 23 lata w suchym skafandrze. Jest taka zasada: jeżeli nie ma jakichś przepisów, algorytmów postępowania to należy oprzeć się nawet na instrukcji obsługi, w tym przypadku od suchego skafandra. Chyba żadna instrukcja nie podaje, że ten jest lub powinien być podstawowym źródłem pływalności. Za to dopuszcza się, jak najbardziej, wykorzystywanie go jako alternatywne - zapasowe źródło wyporu. Ma nam zapewniać komfort na dwóch płaszczyznach: termiczny i ciśnieniowy. Nie po to stworzono skrzydła w kształcie tzw. oponki w celu umożliwienia swobodnego przepływu powietrza, dla ułatwienia trymu, żeby utrzymywać neutralną pływalność dzięki skafandrowi, bo tak uczą w PADI...
@thedivesmith8838
@thedivesmith8838 6 ай бұрын
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@Chickyhart8252
@Chickyhart8252 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the beautiful nudibranchs on your dive👍
@leodimonda5328
@leodimonda5328 5 жыл бұрын
I am a drysuit instructor, and have used drysuits for nearly 20 years, I have never taught any student to use his/her drysuit for buoyancy. The function of a drysuit is to keep you dry and warm. Your BCD controls buoyancy. Almost everything you said about a drysuit is wrong.
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 5 жыл бұрын
Plenty of Certified instructors do teach their students to start out by using the drysuit for buoyancy control, just because you dont doesn't mean its wrong.
@divesmartuk1727
@divesmartuk1727 5 жыл бұрын
Freeman Adventure Video those certified instructors should not be teaching then. A dry suit is as the name suggests. Too keep u dry. A BCD is as the name suggests. To control buoyancy. I’m not sure who taught you to dry suit dive mate but it’s really not good practice and the whole vid is misleading. Please only put enough air in the dry suit for removing the squeeze, it’s not a buoyancy compensating device and was never intended to be used as one. Just because you can use it like that does mean you should. Use the dry suit to stay dry and the BCD of buoyancy.
@ScubaSEAsons
@ScubaSEAsons 5 жыл бұрын
OK how about either you or Leo provide one reason that isn't "becasue i said so" or "because someone else said so". You know an actual reason... and it cant be 1)because your trim/freedom of motion are better, because i said that in the video, 2)it cant because its easier to manage air in a BCD rather than a whole suit, because i said that in the video, 3)it cant be because its not possible in more advanced diving (tech) because i said that in the video. Understand that telling people not to do things because you say so doesn't work, what does work is providing tangible benefits and or drawbacks to consider that people can work with, like the 3 i just pulled out of the video into this comment. This video was actually fairly in favor of using the BCD if you pay attention, i just didn't try to shove that opinion down peoples throats.
@arwanita
@arwanita 4 жыл бұрын
Freeman Adventure Video I did my padi dry course recently and they teach buoyancy control with drysuit only!
@carlosa477
@carlosa477 4 жыл бұрын
For me the problem with using the drysuit for buoyancy is that you lack the control that you would otherwise have when using the bcd. I’m referring to the ability to remove air quickly in any body position. Depending on an individual’s weighting, which is almost always too high, the amount of air needed to maintain neutral buoyancy would likely cause a runaway ascent. I have seen and heard of too many divers, most inexperienced and over weighted, that shot up to the surface feet first because they were using their drysuit for buoyancy. Yes I know, every drysuit specialty course out there teaches divers how to vent air, wrist seal, neck seal, tuck and roll, etc. No one does that. When shit hits the fan everyone’s first instinct is a head down desperate dash for the bottom. It never works because most forget their training under duress. Recent issue of scuba magazine had an article about a diver who died because of a run away ascent as a result of using a drysuit improperly. Diving is a risky endeavor, and in my opinion, teaching divers to use their drysuit for buoyancy control is setting them up for failure. Need too stay warm, wear more layers, don’t add more air. Just my 2 cents.
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