@@@@@ hey the experiment was run from sept 1st to 4th, but it's over, i'm not hosting it anymore, i'm not going to host it again, there are no servers currently running it, and i don't know if anyone else will run a server with this plugin. the developer has released the plugin for download here: naleksuh.com/notso-randomizer.sp

Heavy charge is fucking hysterical to see in practice.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING MORE TERRIFYING THAN A HEAVY USING THE MINIGUN-CHARGIN' TARGE COMBO

The idea of a spy making his way to the back line and shredding the enemy team with a mini gun when they least expect it is horrifying.

8:20 what 5,000 hours of heavy looks like.

the mental image of a 300 pound russian man armed with a big freakin minigun just POWERWALKING towards you at such high speeds that he's followed by an after-image is mind-blowing

So basically, once you took class restrictions for weapons away, the game's meta equalized to Quake? That seems fitting.

Low key busted: Heavy with Quick-Fix. Suddenly you have a 300HP Medic running around, since Quick-Fix matches your speed to the patients if you're slower, at Scout speed. Or blast-jumping alongside Demos and Soilders. And since Quick-Fix is a *secondary* he can still pull out a Minigun. Just imagine a Heavy launching himself through the air with a Quick-Fix alongside a Soilder; swapping to the Tomislav mid-air and bombing you.

6:10 - 6:13 That Heavy is the single most horrifying thing that I've seen in a TF2 match. I'd shit my pants seeing a Heavy run after me with such speeds.

He explains the severe limitations of heavyknight while playing clips of said heavyknight being the scariest thing I've ever seen

The fact that Scout utterly dominates the meta to the point of redefining it several times in so many ways just goes to show how powerful having extra mobility can be in TF2 when paired with access to every weapon in the game.

8:18 I'm sorry, but the stickyjumper heavy coming out of nowhere to own the shit out of the sniper heavy absolutely sent me

This quickly went from "This will be a fun way to experiment with different, funny ways to play the game!" to SCOUT HELL

From experience, a scout with a phlog is pretty terrifying.

The heavy with a charging targe was one of the funniest things I've seen in tf2

Y'see? The main reason why Valve had to gatekeep weapons to classes was to protect servers of the sheer nightmare that is Phlog Scouts.

I ran a tournament to find the "best" loadout years ago. The format was a bit different, it was a 1v1 MGE tournament, but just like this players could choose any base class and any loadout, with the restriction that only engineers could build and only spies could disguise and cloak. This was way back in 2014, so balance was very different. In particular this was during the days of charge turn scripting. The winning loadout, and it was clear without question that this was the best loadout for the challenge, was Heavy with Minigun, Charge'n'Targe, and Claymore. The Charge'n'Targe with turn scripting gave ridiculous mobility, so that no class could escape fighting a point blank heavy. It also gave beefy resistances to fire and explosives. The minigun obviously deals massive damage. The Claymore was there to extend the charge duration, making it even harder escape from the Heavy. I recorded some footage from the challenge, which you can see here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ncWBn66YztDdcmw.html

The Heavy charging is one of the funniest fucking TF2 things I've ever seen. The crit heavy skating around the corner like that was so terrifying.

extremely fat demoknight was very fun, nice experiment

I'm shocked there aren't more trickstabbing Scouts, someone who can zip around and double jump also getting to insta kill from behind sounds scary.

Y'know, the idea of Heavy with a Medi Gun, especially the Vaccinator, seems super powerful! Heavy's main weakness is how slow he is, but having your beam on somebody causes you to match their speed if you're slower, & this would be even more effective with all of the scouts running around! You could pocket a Phlog-weilding Scout & be an unbeatable combo!

6:00 might not've been the final meta to performing best at the game, but it's definitely the final meta of killing people irl via heart attacks

What we've learned: Scout is OP but him having a Scattergun is what makes him balanced.

Hear me out, Scout with: Ali Baba's Wee Booties Buffalo Steak Sandvich Preferably the Bushwacka as your melee Scout is fast, has a double jump, but he has low health The boots increase his speed even further, and gives more hp for melee Buffalo steak sandwich gives minicrits and keeps you in melee and makes you even faster The bushwacka turns those minicrits into actual crits, plus Scout uses his melee faster (I think) TLDR, Hella dangerous use for the steak sandwich

"Sniper wasn't good because everyone was so mobile" One of the reasons mobility increasing items/abilities are dangerous. Give someone too many and they can become busted

If the server had an option to vote out certain weapons for the round, I’d think the balance would be better. I also noticed that the game quickly turned into PVP Quake as soon as phlog scout happened

A heavy charging at you while revved up is nightmarish

The beauty of Tf2 is how carefully balanced it is. Notice how even slight balance tweaks, let alone massive overhauls can really bring out the scouts nasty side. Suffice to say, had the Tf2 team not so expertly balanced the game, scout would be the dominant class. His movement speed combined with the raw power of other classes utilities would be a nightmare.

It's kinda amazing that 6 out of the 9 classes had some sense of utility. Scout for the mobility obviously, but Pyro for the fire immunity, Heavy for the health, Engie for the buildings, Medic for the regen and Spy for the cloak. I dunno what use would have the other classes tho, except maybe a mix health / mobility for demo and soldier

8:38 the fact that even when any combination of weapons on any class is possible the crossbow medic is still the best for healing really tells how good the crossbow is.

seeing heavy just swing around the staircase at lighting speed at 6:11 is hilarious yet simultaneously terrifying

I'm surprised spy wasn't better. Cloak with any weapon seems very powerful, but I guess the games were too hectic for that. And then there were the charging heavies. By god those looked terrifying.

I can only imagine how scary it was to see a heavy dashing towards you while firing his minigun and not being able to do anything about it

The heavy charging is simultaneously the scariest and funniest thing I've seen a character in this game accomplish in just one move lol

It definitely isn t one of the best loadout, but that spy at 4:18 would be such a meme. Instead of being backstabbed you hear a rev immediately behind you. No annoying facestabs, just a spy with a t-pose and a minigun.

"I present to you; Spyro" *Sounds of the gates of hell being opened as a tidel wave of righteous hellfire engulfs a helpless player.*

I swear to god Heavies charging at you at Mach 10 with the turner is the most hilarious and utterly terrifying concept ive ever seen.

Imagine a heavy ubering a medic, with the medic having a minigun, lol.

Scout has speed and double jump, soldier and demo have rocket/sticky-jump resistance, pyro is afterburn resistant, heavy has more health, engie is a building wisperer, medic has passive regen, spy can cloack. Sniper:

“Phlog scout” is the most terrifying thing I’ve ever heard of

Giving scout almost any other classes weapons would make him annoyingly strong, but still manageable on account of his low health. But now imagine a spy with a degreaser, or a heavy with a PDA.

So if you throw all the rules of TF2 out of the window, the meta returns to Quake?

Charging reved up Heavy was the thing I haven't imagined, ever. Now it'll haunt my dreams

you gotta admit, revved up shield heavy jumpscare is hilarious

Soldier Flamethrower Medi-Gun Disciplinary Action "YOU ARE THE SUPPORT, SON!" Why soldier? Doktoberfest, maggot

Heavy: "We fight like men." *Charges into an enemy player with his minigun revved, instantly killing the poor soul.* "What the hell?! Freaking speed hacker!" God bless you, Kitty0706, for giving us a glimpse at future technology.

All this taught me is that Heavy needs a minigun with a charge mechanic

An engineer with a Rocket Launcher for a primary would be fun. You could setup a sentry in some pretty checky spots.

If you ever decide to make another video like this, you should make "what if any class could equip any cosmetic? what loadout would be the most cursed loadout?" for halloween

I'm surprised the Natascha didn't become more meta with how over-centralized scout was.

Skinny gamer here, Pain train scout was the best loadout to abuse the control points, especially on the last points in A/D maps when you needed just a few seconds to win the match just like that.

dude scout with a your eternal reward would be the scariest thing ever

6:31 heavy jumpscare

Once, I could use every weapon with every class. The quickfix ubers were infinites with any class but medic. The stickybomb launcher don't remove your disguise when you use it ( like a very special sapper, hehe ). You can eat your own sandwich very fast by throwing it and taking it back with any class but the heavy. You can use Your Eternal Reward to be able to disguise, whatever the class you play. When you play any class but spy and you are disguised, your teamates will see you colored as an enemy player.

The charging heavy was such cool idea man It could be legit a weapon for heavy, not only gives him mobility but also makes weapons like the brass beast and Huo long heater super useful a

I would vomit, shit, piss, all at the same time if a heavy came flying at me revving the brass beast

charging heavies are hilarious, thank you for this vid

"fat demoknight is bad" *Shows SolarLight footage of him killing shounic repeatedly*

Heavy using the charge n targe was funny was fuck. Normally, a rev'd heavy is slow and tanks, but then he just fucking blinks forward.

9:25 "SENTRY BUSTER!"

Rewatching this a year later, did nobody think of Natascha Pyro? Pyro's natural immunity to afterburn plus the slowing effect of the Natascha seems like it would be a big help against the Phlog Scout. You could either combine it with the Battalion's Backup and Powerjack for extra speed and health OR a Shield and the Eyelander if you're feeling ballsy for stacking speed and health.

Phlog Scunt sounds like the ultimate cancerous experience.

So it has been proven once again: Direct hit is the best melee weapon

Sitting here imagining more meme loadouts and what a shakeup this would be for MVM. For one, the Huo Long might actually pose a threat to the Brass Beast's dominance if heavy could set things on fire himself. Or you could banner stack with heavies. Added bonus: Also apply this to the robots with custom waves. You could do some evil shit, like extended backup Heavies with sniper rifles.

7:41 Oh crap... I'm gonna have to remember that next time I play Randomizer.

imagine how extraordinary these metas would be if you built a completely new game with the idea of 'any class can use any weapon' in mind, in no other game would you have a tank class practically teleport into the enemy's face and unload lead point blank or a very mobile glass cannon with a flamethrower outright flambé an entire team

The Heavyknight with a spun up minigun rapidly approaching is honestly terrifying I now want an item for Heavy which thrusts him forwards like that

0:50 pyro holding the tomislav actually makes sense

9:42 I present to you spyro oh frick

You have to run this experiment again. This looks so fun

I would love to see a tournament with this plugin, but with a highlander clause to prevent scout rush and a teamwide "use it to lose it" rule (if one player uses a weapon, no players on that team can use it for the set) to prevent teams from picking the same OP loadouts every round.

5:13 the ambassador

scout with a flamethrower is just terrifying

man, a minigun with a charge ability seems like a good weapon design

demoman is literally obsolete because pyro has the same health but runs faster

Eureka Effect Spy actually seems like a fun idea. Kind of like a reward for teamwork.

I just recently got a plugin working that allows any class to pick up any weapon from the ground. While making it, I had questions as to whether it would be too unbalanced since I had seen this video before - what if a scout picked up a direct hit? Or a spy could cloak with stickies? But it turns out that, since you can die pretty easily and often in tf2, you would always die before you got too big for your britches and lose the weapon. Even if you did go on a good killstreak, it wouldn't be too hard for lots of people to rush you and kill you, since they only needed to kill you once before you lose your advantage. Not to mention you need to find a good weapon in the first place. You can equip a weapon on one class, killbind, and switch classes, but with respawn times it becomes not worth it and simply unfun to be waiting upwards of 30 or 40 seconds each death. I know this doesn't have much to do with the video, but I figured it's tangential enough to write down. The difference between choosing what you want and finding what you want is a lot bigger than I first thought, and it really cast a light on how huge death is as a balancing tool.

Scout with the direct hit + gunsligner and backup for extra health is just Quake. Like you are literally just playing quake at that point.

This was a delight to watch. Solar steamrolling and terrorizing the server with heavyknight was the funniest shit ever

Years ago, there was a community server i used to frequent that would occasionally run a plugin allowing you to select any weapon on any class. My favorite was always minigun scout. similar to the charge n targe heavy you mentioned, but with double jump and no charge cooldown. I actually did mess with direct hit scout a bit, but i was never effective enough with the direct hit to make it as much fun.

I wish there were active servers like this still :(

Gunslinger scout is scary but I truly wouldn't want to meet an eyelander scout with 4 heads.

Yes, the ultimate loadout: Pomson 6000 Dalokohs Bar The Pain Train

I had nightmares of a heavy being able to charge and now I know why

I actually remember thinking about this in class and now I have an answer. Thanks.

This is the scariest thing I've ever seen, but I love that so many classes are just floating instead of walking because I guess they lack animations for their loadouts

I ended up having a lot of fun as Scout with the Flamethrower/Degreaser, Medigun, and Jag. I just really enjoy being a team player and I felt that load out really suited my playstyle and was very fun (even got a few kills on ya 😋) Thanks for the opportunity to try this stuff out! It was a lot of fun

0:05 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SCOUT TOUCHED SASHA NOONONONONO

Nothing can stop you. The level 3 sentry hiding in the corner with the Engi and his widowmaker:

HeavyKnight may just be the scariest thing I’ve ever seen in the game

IMAGINE SEING A HEVY CHARGING AT YOU WITH A SWORD AND A SHIED,TEREFYING!

It's amazing the optimal loadout ended up recreating quake, considering the history of source/valve/tf2

7:28 The way the pyro holds the knife actually looks so cool

I'm so sad I missed out on this experiment because of my broken computer. This looks awesome.

A spy with the baby face blaster and big earner would’ve been neat

your relationship with Mr. Newell must be pretty swell for him to give a brief thought about the videos content!

My personal favourite was running booties/targe with the YER on scout since getting a backstab still disguised you no matter which class you use it on

From playing randomizer I actually guessed the most op loadout. Direct hit and banner on scout were insane there

Wonder if a Sniper Loadout on Spy could be good, like if someone figures out where you're sniping from, and they come to attack you, you could just go invisible, or Sniper Loadout on Scout, can snipe from some harder to reach areas on some maps

spy with a sniper actually sounds evil. can you imagine going to the objective and a spy decloaks from your spawn to headshot you? normally this playstyles weakness is that it takes multiple hits to kill but a sniper can 1 shot most classes.