"Make this game like every other game I play so it's palatable to me"

"One class or no class. And only weapons." Hm, that sounds a lot like any fps shooters like call of duty, etc.

Shrouds tldr opinion: please make destiny 2 into another cod clone

Bro does NOT know what he’s saying 😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥

Shroud on his way to make every game like valorant or cod

Let’s rebalance and take all the things that make destiny 2 away

Destiny isn't supposed to be balanced, it's supposed to be fun

So essentially halo, he wants halo.

Nobody tell him about apex. Man would have a heart attack 😂

Don’t let sweat Lord pros dictate how games are made or balanced 😂 ….especially destiny

"Why don't they just make this story game a pvp game guys?"

The bathroom after taco Tuesday is more appealing than his idea

A person like shroud should stay with what he is good at

Shrouds idea is basically let’s take the destiny out of destiny

Bro he’s spitting straight ASS 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

Sure…..go play CoD

Hard pass on all of the above

In my opinion Shroud is one of the few people on the planet who shouldn't be allowed to have opinions

Let's just make Destiny not Destiny. They need to remove SBMM , prioritize connection, release new maps and content and that's all it needs. PVP in Destiny 2 doesn't need to try to be an esport, it just needs to be FUN AND REWARDING. It's a looter shooter not an esport, it's OK if PVP is straight up crazy as long as its fun (i.e. no cheaters, no teleporting laggers from 1/2 way across the world and no SBMM forcing every game to be a slow sweaty slog)

Shrouds idea sounds more like year 1 destiny 2 that we all know how well that did for the playerbase

literally the classes and abilities are what make destiny destiny, the pvp specific team should definitely be a thing tho

Obviously this man has different preference. I respect his opinion, but almost everything he said other than having a dedicated PvP team would just destroy the image of the game as whole.

I wish the people had a voice and not only streamers and "influential" people who dictated the way a game plays. It seems foreign nowadays that a company listens to their playerbase.

Destiny is not the typical fps shooter. It's not meant and probably never will be an e-sports game. Destiny's ability and shooter centric pvp is something special that most games can't match. I do agree that pvp can be better if bungie had a dedicated team instead of play testing balance changes on the ability side of pvp

Shroud forgetting that hes playing a PVE game with a PVP gamemode

Yes Shroud, let's rebalance an entire game and franchise to be more focused on an activity that takes up less than 10 percent of the total game. We shouldn't just let it be it's own game, we *must* make all games with any pvp the exact same as each other so they all suck.

Shroud came from his dying game to spit some soul sucking advice so he can have another game to "not play"

if they are going to listen to anyone its going to be people like zk not shroud :L

Yeah, he knows what's best. He's been playing D2 all this time, not like he didn't just return.

A guns-only game mode that featured once every few weeks for crucible would actually be cool.

Shroud doesn't know the game enough at all to give a relevant opinion. With the state of crucible now, the most comepative changes they could do js no exotics, standardize stats across the mode with say all players having tier 7 in everything in spite of armor, and maybe have it even be guns only. (that's probably too far) Changes like this would be the best way to "fix" pvp, especially if it's only in comp. That way you can still have all classes compete with strengths and weakness while subclasses are treated as characters that can be independently buffed and nerfed as needed with enough variance between the main classes to still have trade offs. However the primary issue with sweeping changes like that is that simply put is a lot of work and its a hard sell for bungie to put that much effort into a mode that fundimentaly brings no direct revenue in since its open to even FtP players. Additionally comp would get very stale very quickly since exotics and to a lesser extent Stat distribution are the main things that vary from player to player. Especially the more competitive those players are. That's why seeing something like a warlock with tarrahba, ophidians, on dawn blade is more likely than seeing someone running sweet business which a exotic you are given immediately as a new light. The primary shake ups that would affect leader would either be whole class reworks like when the light 3.0s dropped or a new subclass all together like Strand. Something that doesn't really fix the issue since the several month period each season is would be its own set in stone meta only slightly shifting as new exotics are discovered like when a raid drops, provided that exotic is both hard to get and meta defining. TL:DR Shroud really shouldn't be giving balance advice on a shooter/sandbox he has played in for barely even double digit hours in.

Also, Destiny pvp is so different to anything else. It seems the only similarities with other games is the 1st person pov, and the pvp modes. Gun play, armor, classes, aspects, stats, perks, abilities, subclasses, movement etc etc etc. So many variables, not even including PvE content and how that influences the sandbox. The game will always be in a really good state or a really bad state. That's the nature of high variables.

"lets make this game like everyother pvp game" LOL. ngl, that take was complete ass.

Nah man. This ain’t about to be like call of duty. Destiny still maintains its creativity and I love that. Playing against people with literally complete different weapons and powers is amazing and interesting. He just wants things to be more like call of duty and basic.

"Dude why dont they take out the diversity and just make it NOT DESTINY?"

That dudes a 🤡

Only guns? I'm not against it but this isn't call of duty. If you want only guns just go play cod.

Shroud expects for the game to adapt to him rather than him adapt to the game

Why would we remove abilities? That’s literally destiny? If u want to improve something ability’s and class should be the priority imo . And I frankly think the gun system is alright rn u just need to find what ur comfortable with

No thank you im fine

This is why PVP is second to PvE. They built destiny for PVE and PVP is just for fun. I feel like pvp players are jumping for hope because shroud is saying something about pvp.

His opinions are designed around no variation. He wants single LO that is top tier rather than play how you want and it can still be decent

If only Destiny had a player base that enjoyed it as is 🤔

For being one of the best PvP players in the world, Shroud can’t snipe for shit.

Shroud plays d2 for the first time in how many years? He knows all he is the prophet

I'm so glad the creators at Bungie have a much bigger imagination than that

By one class, does that mean only one class type per match or one locked class for all?

Wait there isn’t even a pvp team ?? 😂

That’s the kind of opinion that makes me think “Y’know, maybe we oughta get rid of that pesky first amendment”

So I wouldn’t mind the idea of consolidating players into “one class” that can choose between all the abilities warlocks, hunters and titans have. According to Destiny Lore, guardian abilities are more or less learned and just depicted by how each “class” uses the light. Realistically why couldn’t a hunter use a ward of Dawn? Or a Titan a golden gun? It would create a lot better build crafting to say the least.

They just need to balance PvP separately from PvE.

Yea let's take more advice from pvp sweats about how to improve the rest of the game 😂

Well if you look at the numbers there might as well pnly be one class for pvp, last I checked hunter had a 42% usage rate.

man I like shroud but that is a bad take

If you ever feel useless, just remember this guy just records other people's content and sits and watches it again like he's providing something.

Keep destiny pvp how it is we just need a better loot pool more maps and different modes

We do have a PVP team ZK mushroom Grenada Jake and jez

Destiny PvP players don’t like gun fights & balance. They literally run away 99.9% of the time. No matter the skill level PvP players love their cheap stuff in Destiny. He’s right but it’s never gonna happen.

I think they should seperate pvp and PvE like how most games do it.

Dedicated pvp team sounds like the game will live forever then

Bungee should have a dedicated pvp team that actually play the game

Guns only would be fantastic, haven’t touched destiny for like 6 months now, totally worth it, used to be my favorite game.

guys it’s for game to not always be competitive we can just have fun

People like shroud and other twitch streamers are the reason that average players like myself who don’t enjoy sweating their way through every piece of content in the game now get to deal with ridiculous light level caps on standard activities, not to mention the horrible pvp experience that already exists…. Particularly in trials…. Pretty sure the majority would be better off if bungie didn’t listen to the opinions of such a tiny percentage of the player base.

Shroud is saying everything lucky has said 10x over the years

Destiny 2 PVP without classes is just Halo PVP With weaker Shields and faster movement.

Bro basically said “make this Apex but with stompees”

Saying Destiny getting rid of classes, is like say Warframe should get rid of Warframes.

Shows that no matter what pvp centric game you hail from, D2 is wayyy more complex and in depth than any other

With only guns, there is really a use for the ghosts since they give us powers. The ghosts would then be limited to just reviving us

They have a dedicated pvp team they have been working on marathon for that last 2 years

He comes from the COD competitive world, we don’t need those opinions on destiny. It’ll ruin the game since the PVP is a secondary role in Destiny

Just add a "lightless" playlist no fancy schmansy light just guns but that would be hella boring and get removed almost immediately

What is u made pvp with the destny 2 characters. U could be zavala. Or Cayde any character

Yeap i mean it sounds like a good game mode to test like they doing with check mate

This is the type of guy who tries to give you advice on how to get a girlfriend when he’s single

The only thing they need to do is balance pvp and pve separately. Keep everything. Just separate your balancing in both game modes.

Lol I’ve been playing this game for 7 years and didn’t even know there wasn’t a dedicated pvp team until just now

Accuracy based matchmaking would fix it. You can truly tell who is using chronos.

I hate every streamer that plays a game doesn’t understand it or barely even touches it but still try’s to give opinions on it of what should be changed

What make this game unique? Yeah we can’t have that

Almost exactly what Bungie intended to do moving from Rise of Iron to Red War.

Lol guns only is basically 1 class. Unless you count appearances and jumps/boosts as class defining.

“They should change this game to fit games that I like so I’ll play it more”

Destiny isn’t a PvP game though, it’s a PvE game that just happens to have a PvP mode.

He basically just said make the game Call of Duty

When everyone references COD instead of Halo, those are the ones that are really misguided. Stripped down Destiny would resemble a Halo titles thanks to the movement, TTK and modified BLAM engine. It would simply have a huge sandbox in comparison. A mode like this is coming, called Checkmate and a lot of us have wanted it forever. The games core is nothing like COD. Bash Shroud all you want, but mistaking Destiny’s core this bad is worse, especially from those that play the game.

I think a guns only game mode would be pretty interesting

Here after I heard about the new "PvP strike team" they're adding to Destiny 2 🎉

He wants every game to play like csgo.

Be interesting to have a gun only playlist, kinda like the opposite of mayhem. Maybe it just rotates once per season, just for funzies

Shroud and his fantastic philosophy in games...

"please make this game exactly how I like it instead of what it is"

The abilities are the only thing that separates this game from every other FPS.. i think the uptime being changes like they did on checkmate is a good balance.

As a pve main, whatever makes you guys happy

the 4 100 titan build thats running thunder crash:

That’s what makes destiny different ! I would personally like a mode where there is no supers and that’s all really

They need to add a weapon ban system with how many gun that are in the game it would work well so in trials you can ban the sniper category or ban pulse rifles and so on.

It's insane that there isnt a no abilities mode

THIS IS DESTINY NOT CALL OF DUTY THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA HOW FUN THIS GAME IS IN ITS CURRENT STATE