No pymtron? 🤨

​@@einplaysbadYes😊

@@einplaysbad nein, ein

@@PillarofGarbage I'll have to resort to desperate measures then...

Damn skibidi patreon

lock the doors and batten down the hatches

I forgot season 2 is out. I'm gonna pirate it.

@@PillarofGarbage Who is Anissa?

@@suezcontours6653 You might want to look it up. CW for sexual assault ahead of time tho

@@suezcontours6653 SPOILERS She's a Viltrumite who (in the comics at least) forces herself onto (that is, SA's) Mark.

I NEVER SAW IT LIKE THAT BEFORE

What scene with Debbie and Nolan are you talking about, where Nolan leaves and she starts crying? If you have an idea about what episode it might be or more surrounding information that I can use to situate myself, I'd appreciate it. I really tried to remember such scene, but couldn't.

​@@emmanuel1337 just rewatch the show with a focus on Debbie and Omniman's relationship. The pain and sadness is apparent in more than one scene.

ULTRA BRAIN-HAVER DETECTED 🤯

Something else to add - this show takes place in a world where there are other superheroes operating and frequently present at these scenes. It's not the end of the world if someone else handles it, and honestly, all these people should set up some kind of group text so they can figure out whose job it is to stop the world-ending catastrophe this week.

can't believe the SJW wokerati have created the superweapon 'fictional woman with feelings'

​@@PillarofGarbageand i would have got away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling anons

The worst part is that this isn't even the most toxic example of people on the internet despising a person named Amber over a failed relationship.

​@@PillarofGarbagelmao now now, we know "Woman With Feelings" doesn't exist in ... Uhh... Western society... Or whatever the Greek statue-profile pic havers on Twitter say 😂

​@@idokatzenell3667Did you still get your Soros money? Mines a few days late 😭

That is a massive strawman of the fan base. Because that is most likely the fans are just joking.

It’s not a straw man. That was a widely agreed upon take by the internet shortly after the first season ended

@@markstriker925 It's not a strawman. It's called a joke.

It's really just the fact that she knew he was a superhero and got upset that he went to go save lives instead of staying with his friends and her during that attack on campus. If they never did that when he said sorry as in say that she knew the whole time I probably wouldn't have a problem with her

Eh, a good chunk of Invincible fans didn’t even understand Omni-Man was the bad guy.

The show, tbf, doesn't do a great job at illustrating the passing of time (but that's hardly uncommon in tv)

Good. And yeah, that's a problem with the show. There's only like two times where they really point out the passage of time. When Mark goes to Mars, which definitely took about a month of his time (at least), and after he recovers from fighting Battle Beast (Amber says she hasn't heard from him in a month). I think there's also a mention when Nolan enters and exits that other dimension.

@@joshuawilliams8252 The person that gives Mark the initial advice, Eve, even says he wasn't supposed to string her along for months (six, I think?)

@@vidmuncher This is true as well, thank you.

A reasonable person would have dumped Mark earlier, but Amber isn't written like a reasonable person.

Intelligence doesn’t always mean they’re willing to have a complicated discussion about trust. It’s fairly comparable to coming out. Someone else can pretty easily put the pieces together if the person isn’t hiding it well, but actually telling them that could be difficult for both parties, whereas letting them come out to you builds trust. Also the idea that secret identities matter in this world is the real writing issue. Mark’s dad is very openly Omni-Man, anyone he’s close to would already be in danger, them knowing would not hurt them more.

"Single mistake" and the gaslighting has arrived it seems.

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Nolan isn't openly Omniman, his human identity is that of a writer. They do overplay the idea that people's complete lack of expectation of having superheroes just walking among them makes so that nobody really notices them or really puts things together, but it is what it is...

Yeah, I think it's strange characterization for her because she overall seems much more mature, especially given just how dire that situation is unrelated to their emotional issues. But the sheer Amber hate over a single, small moment is fucking disgusting (I wrote an actual essay about it for a college course last year lol), and completely fucking insane in how it dominates conversations. There is so much more interesting content to go through in this media rather than a small, insignificant plot point that gets quibbled about basically entirely because a black woman love interest isn't one hundred percent perfect. It's also insidious how many people will use this as a way to prop up Eve as a character, as if her only reason for existence is to be the "good" love interest for Mark. I especially hate the hypocrisy in people who mock the fact she works in a soup kitchen and then criticizes our hero boy, despite Eve literally abandoning superheroing and going on to do mutual aid type shit instead! Amber, Mark, and Eve all have their own ways in which they want to help the world and they do so on scales according to their ability to do so. It's such obvious, racist hypocrisy towards a black character.

@@athenabrown3117 Now I am not going to pretend that a lot of the hate towards Amber isn't just "Black woman with attitude bad". There are enough dumb manchildren out there to get whiny about this. But it is also wrong to pretend that the character just does a mistake. The issue is, no one seems to consider her behaviour wrong, but instead justified, which makes it seem like the series tells you "Hey, this character is behaving correctly". Whenever a series behaves like a character is clearly in the right, the people that disagree with that assessment will be obviously put off, often resulting in those people actively disliking the character - I mean, just look at how fans (and writers) hated on Tony Stark after the Civil War comics. In this case, everyone can agree that "By the way, I knew all along" shows some deep character flaws, so when the series seems(!) to pretend that this behaviour was justified, a whole lot of people are going to be pissed about Amber. The hate train is obviously completely unhinged, but I would not bat my eye if anyone told me they considered her the worst part of the show.

This makes a lot of sense, especially with the information that Mark sides with Omni-Man in most universes and is currently wrestling with his legacy in this one.

But that’s a false equivalence. Debbie is dealing with the fact her husband’s a murderer while Amber is upset that mark has to go save lives. What’s more important saving the lives of others or saving a high school relationship. You can make a case he shouldn’t be in a relationship while trying to be a superhero but Amber shouldn’t have gotten an attitude and at least broken things off sooner.

@@Captain_Titus3867 It’s about the lying. Mark was lying to her, and it was made pretty clear that was her only issue. And he only exposed that lie when she broke things off with him, so pretty clear he didn’t care about the secret identity that much and was willing to lie to her so far as she was putting up with it. She has a right to be pissed, because nothing about his lies helped him save lives.

@@Captain_Titus3867 Why did he need to lie to her about it, Cap? Why are you pretending that she's mad about him saving lives and not for lying to her? Did you even watch the damn video bud?

@@Captain_Titus3867I don't care that you don't seem to have watched the episode, but I feel like you should at least have watched the video.

The honest trailer w/ kirkman's reaction points this out. Literally one day after Amber's visibly freaking out she says " I knew weeks ago". Which is either a writing oversight, or an odd character choice. Based on kirkman's reaction, it's pretty clear that it's a writing oversight. Oops!

all right but like they had only been dating for months. me personally i wouldn’t trust her with my secret or really anyone like that

Idk I kind of like the idea of a character you thought would always be nice and understanding being vindictive in a situation. Not as a ‘she’s the absolute worst person ever who doesn’t deserve love’ but as someone who was angry and did something selfish to serve their own anger. Feels like it just adds more agency to her character even if it is the agency to fuck up. (Tbh most characters should probably have that.)

The thing is, no matter how permissible you personally believe lies like that are, no healthy, romantic relationship should be built on them. Like, has it seriously not occurred to you that Mark could've just, idk... dumped her? If he really couldn't maintain that balance properly, then he should've just taken the best course of action that'd be the best for both of them. Simple as that. 🤷

​@@Levi-rc8khyeah this is how I feel about it. It's on mark for not being truthful. If he doesn't feel like he can tell Amber about it and continue to lie to her then he should consider how all the lies and absences affect Amber, and realize if he can't be there for her he should not continue to string her along.

Also I cannot wait to get some break time from my job to watch the first four episodes of season 2.

I just hope they break up idk

​@@maxpokebruh27bad news, only 1 episode out rn

@@biscoitomolhado3641they do in the books. Mark ends up having kids with Eve

@@owlbert2020good to hear

the little of Just A Robot's work I've seen makes it seem like he's Just A Moron

Does he really think people give a shit about who he is? Bro you're not Batman

I...I don't remember that part

Did...did he play it 100% straight?

Did...did he play it 100% straight?

Like skyler couldnt have been more supportive to walt, and he was still treating her like crap, and she calling him out, she has that right, on his high and mighty ego. Even walt saw in the end how she was pretty loyal and he might should bail her out of legal consequences if he dies. and he is the worst. .

The hatred Lana from Smallville got is also kind of a precursor to this. The two characters are eerily alike: raceswapped superhero love interests who are vilified for expecting honesty from their boyfriends.

Karen on The Office, anyone else Ross or Rachel ever dated...

Or Rose from Star Wars Episode 8. I hated the character, but the actress didn’t deserve the hate she got. She just had the bad fortune to be in the worst part of a bad movie. Toxic fan base gonna toxic.

Of all breaking bad characters portrayed as absolute monsters that would be shunned by society at the blink of an eye, Skyler did the worst thing anyone human could ever do She was a woman A little bit naggy So obviously she's worst than all of them /s

Exactly! Have you ever noticed how Amber only ever psychologically targets Mark after he's been severely traumatized, beaten within an inch of his life, or witnesses dozens of people be murdered as slowly and deliberately as possible to cause the maximum pain the human mind can comprehend? Mark witnesses his mentor get put into a coma and permanently lose his powers, then gets his insides rearranged in alphabetical order. Immediately afterwards, Amber is mad at him for missing the soup kitchen (during which he's helping take down a crime lord who rules over the neighborhood the soup kitchen is in). Mark endures dozens of life-threatening injuries while saving their mutual friend and the man he loves, it's his fault for ditching her, which means she thinks that it's also his fault she tried to cheat on him with a taken guy. Mark's entire existence and purpose in life is invalidated while he's being used like a chain whip to massacre a city? Amber comes back to him, decides that they've reconciled without his consent during his coma, and kisses him, ignoring that he didn't kiss her back. Similar to why you've never seen a good husband scream at his wife for not also massaging his shoulders on top of all the housework and child-rearing after coming home from the hospital post-childbirth. Amber is an abusive narcisist, and that's ok from a writing standpoint! Right up until you realize that the writers genuinely believe they made a good compelling character due to their belief that this is how all black women act. Mark is a victim of manipulation since birth from a genocidal psychopath with over a millennium of experience with war, establishing false identities, and treason via enslaving of entire planets. Amber's a victim of bad writing.

Amber's writing is so bad it made eves writing worse.

​@@FishAnvilThe fact that Amber is framed as being correct, and is then stuck with Mark for almost another whole season makes this even worse.

Ah yes, I see you're another Brain-Haver 😎

Personally, I think Amber was handled poorly, leaving a lot of people confused & annoyed. I do some of the hate goes too far though.

@@chriscortez2036she should’ve talked to him in private and said “I know it’s you, but I pretend to not know to protect myself” because why would you withhold information from someone and expect to figure it out eventually? That’s just shitty

@@psychosalad6653because she shouldn’t HAVE to. He the one lying. He’s the one who wanted a second chance and wanted things to be fixed but wouldn’t (not couldn’t because he immediately does it). If I know you’re lying to me I don’t have to deal with it and smile while you keep thinking I’m too dumb to figure it out or tell you I know, that’s YOUR job as a good person.

@@DontCallMeAaron maybe mark didn’t trust her with his superhero identity. She could have bad intentions, or she could slip and reveal it to someone. Or maybe my perspective is skewed. I live a life where I barely understand nonverbal communication, and where interpreting the person in front of me is a constant battle, and if I was mark, I’d be pissed that she wouldn’t clue me in when I’ve been putting my ass in the line trying to save lives, and I didn’t immediately trust her with knowledge of my double life. It was a gamble and I’m losing

Amber being bland was the thing they liked. Guys like that usually find women with anything close to a definable personality, let alone a strong one, far too intimidating.

I totally agree.

​@joshuawilliams8252 Amber does not have a "strong personality" she is selfish and narcissistic and didn't already say selfish Actually to be frank, Amber being "selfish" is an understatement. She expects to be at the forefront of Mark's life despire her just being a highschool crush, even after *knowing the exact reason as to why he had to be so absent.* On top of believing she was entitled to the informational hazard that is "I can lift mountains and send America destroying asteroids away from Earth!" she also thinks that her feelings, importance, and intelligence are more pressing than preventing the entire invasion of Earth, the destruction of entire cities, and the lives of millions to billions of people being wiped away. Why does it, or rather why should it take Mark getting beaten to an inch of his life for her to even have the slightest bit of empathy for what Mark is going through? Amber knowing about his secret identity and still giving Mark crap for it is completely sociopathic and absolutely manipulative. What was she going for? What was she trying to prove?? That she wasn't stupid? Did she really have to put all that stress onto Mark just for that? She knew that he was saving lives yet she still wanted Mark to give her more attention, almost as if she's saying "just let those people die my feelings are more important!!" That shows a severe lack of empathy for others and her feeding the poor in a single community doesn't mask that, its only a front for the viewer to believe that she doesn't only exist to ruin and corrode everything to fit her exact need. The only type of defense people use for Amber is by blatantly downplaying what Mark does, he saves lives, he saves men, women, and children, why do people never understand that? If Amber knew *EXACTLY WHAT HE DOES, WHY BE MAD WHEN HE DOESN'T SHOW TO AN EVENT WHEN YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHY?* She *knew* he was saving and protecting people, she *knew* he was risking his life for others, she *knew* that whenever he was absent for an entire day he could be dead, she *knew* that, and yet she *still* felt that she was more important, or should be more important in Mark's life than keeping en entire family from getting flattened by a skyscraper. *WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT FEELINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIVES??? AM I THE ONLY SANE PERSON HERE??*

​@@joshuawilliams8252ya loving your boyfriend and not insulting him for being a hero abd being a burden is very boring. Guess the west definitoon of good women is being as annoying and shit as possible. No way you defend this version of amber shes boring and uncomfortable to watch

@@joshuawilliams8252 well, she is bland now. How you now change your tune for that?

I feel like an argument could be made that the entire Debbie plotline is the thematic followup to the Amber plotline in season 1. I'm not sure if that argument would sway me (like you, while watching the first half of season 2 I kept thinking about how all it seemed pointless). But someone out there with more investment and perspective than me could probably make a really compelling argument.

Yeah, I was surprised by how easily they seemed to have gotten back together. There's definitely some parallels to Debbie with how much Mark has just left her this season and she's kinda stomached it but I thought there would be a more direct discussion about it in one of the episodes. I would be kinda disappointed if they dropped this development because of audience backlash but I have trust that the writing team has something in mind because I do see slight traces of conflict still remaining.

Actually, I'd argue that season 2 has lowkey vindicated that break up.....situation. Largely because (slight sideeye at another user I was conversing with in this comment feed) she utters the lines "No, go on. I know what I signed up for" and "No, Mark, don't ever apologize for saving lives" - almost as if she can say those things (and MEAN them, to boot) when she actually know what's going on. We could've been here sooner, but Amber had to learn the truth on her own and not from Mark.

It's low-hanging fruit because it's obviously the worst element of the show

"People want to murder my family, and I'd like to make that harder for them to do." "That's just an excuse to not let people in." Weird you bring up queer voices being brought in and can't see the parallels between secret identities and the closet, and the EXTERNAL reasons that people don't just come out to everyone immediately.

Exactly. I see people say "well she's just 17", except we also get 2 other characters completely on her side as a proxy for what the writers think. It's pretty obvious that this was an overcorrection towards a black woman character who is strong, smart, charitable and morally correct in every single situation. Meanwhile stereotypical dumb white male bullies guys are completely acceptable.

So your making it about race ?

People have more sympathy for Omni man cause he’s actually written good if anyone is racist it’s the people writing amber.

​@@Lildoug_456did you just not watch this video at all?

We all know there is a loud minority that really hate TV!Amber for being black with more depth than Comic!Amber but hide behind criticizing her reaction to Mark.

@@Lildoug_456 B R U H

​@@Lildoug_456"iF aNyOnE's RaCi-" Lmao shut up

You're right. They could've crafted a sharper, more concise message. It wouldn't even be unrealistic with a little work ("Mark, I've had a bit of time to really think this over"). Hell, even getting back together wouldn't be unrealistic with some work, either - if you ending the first conversation with Mark pleading and Amber telling him to give him some time. Then starting their next meeting (post recovery) with something like... Amber: *hugs Mark* I'm glad we haven't lost you Mark: *not returning the hug, looking off to the side* uhh....right Amber: *looks up" huh, what? Mark: That's nice and all, but have I lost YOU? Amber: oohhh, right..... Amber: I was so mad Invincible was robbing me of you Amber: I guess it feels like Invincible's robbing you of me, huh? Mark: It does. It REALLY does.... Amber: *wrly smile* Start again? Mark: *relieved* Yeah, start again Or SOMETHING like that.....

So you want comic book writing which avoided this trope in the first place?

Relationships are supposed to be mutual, both parties must contribute. While I see your perspective, I need you to understand, she was a bad girlfriend. It may be because the writing was bad, but for the sake of argument, we’ll assume this was always intended. The reason for my claim is that she knew. Instead of communicating that she knew, she decided to never bring it up. To understand, you’re going to role play a bit. Imagine if you are in a relationship with someone with chronic, severe depression. Someone who, at any moment goes into a spiral of thoughts of self hatred and suicide. This person who you’re dating is keeping it a secret from you because they didn’t want to burden you with it. They is constantly leaving events you’ve planned together or is just gone at random. This person has to fight their depressive episodes and leaves you when they do so. Normally, if you’d decided to break up with this person on the grounds of them constantly leaving would be fine if you didn’t know they were depressed. I would even excuse you if you decided to be very angry with them and exploded on them. But in this scenario, like Amber, you knew. You knew they were depressed, you knew about their episodes, you “knew”. But also like Amber, you decided to not confront them on the issue, thinking that they would come to you eventually. Let’s say, one day there was a shooting and this person immediately disappears on you, obviously to make this realistic, since they aren’t Mark, they simply took off to “fight” their depression and call the police. They even went back for you like Mark did with Amber. And you break up with them like Amber did with Mark, publicly. You leave them. So scrapping whatever courage they had left they went to tell you the truth. They have depression and is constantly trying to fight it. Unfortunately, just like Amber, you told them you knew and want them to go away. You’ve rejected a depressed person for trying to fight their mental illness. Yes, you’ll go try to get back with them just like Amber did, but, just like Amber, only does so when you saw them on the news about them surviving their suicide attempt. Obviously, they’re not Mark, so them trying to die makes sense. You then go to their home and hugs your suicide survivor. Is this the happy ending you want? Does this satisfy you? I’ve made this scenario because I’m hoping you would understand where I’m coming from. It’s about knowing a secret and not confronting them on it. In any other scenario, where the blame would be on them, like cheating or gambling addiction, just break up. Just confront and break up immediately, no need to drag it out. The fact that she knew and didn’t do anything about it shows a lack of initiative and courage. I truly hope you don’t idolize her behavior, it’s not a good one.

@@jamesbecker7499 So Amber is pure evil incarnate because she didn't tell Mark she knew he was lying to her, but Mark is completely blameless for telling those lies. You just hate women. That is the only possible explanation for this belief that makes sense. Mark lying to her is fine, her not obediently accepting those lies is the worst evil to happen on a show where an entire city gets slaughtered just to make a point. What a fucked up thing to believe.

@@jamesbecker7499 That scenario is not equivalent and it's absolutely insane that you think it is.

​@@jamesbecker7499why should she say anything it's Mark secret. It's his responsibility to say something not hers.

No, it's not about that, but how she went about it. If she already knew why not just confront him that? Why wait until later when he tries to come out later? Only in an attempt to save the relationship? It also just made no sense at all like no matter how you try to spin it at all, it just makes no sense for her to be mad at him during the active threat that she was also a part of. Going back to your example with the firefighter. I agree with that 100%. Now take that girlfriend and put her inside the burning building. Should she still be mad at him for saving her ass? Okay now let's actually make it more accurate to the scene of the show. She's outside of the burning building. What's a fire is spreading. It will eventually affect her as well if she doesn't get away from the threat. An explosion happens in a burst of fire almost sets his best friend on fire so he steps in a way with his fireproof here to prevent him from being burnt and sent to the hospital or possible death. While he's handling the active threats taken care of the fire to make sure the rest of you not only don't get burned, but the rest of the University doesn't burn down that way you guys can continue to not only look at the rest of the university, but maybe actually apply to it one day because it will actually still be standing and not a pile of ash and rubble. Instead of being grateful that the one person you know who has the skills and the equipment to deal with that fire, you get fucking pissy that they left to go grab their oxygen tank and their fireproof jacket. What did you want them to touch the fire with their bare fucking hands? now yes, Mark for the most part physically invulnerable. Not truly invincible as his name implies. But her most part he's invulnerable to most physical attacks. He still takes damage and he still gets hurt. But his suit is not there to protect him. It's to protect those he loves. Which is literally what he is there doing. Which is literally what he is there doing. Going back to the metaphor, even though the fireproof equipment is there to protect the firefighter, they can use it to protect the civilians as well. There's stuff like fireproof blankets that they can wrap around civilians. Maybe we can assume this firefighter where's a fireproof blanket around his neck like a cave just in case he needs it to wrap around a civilian to protect them from flames. Really Mark uses his body or his hand to deflect a punch but you get what I'm trying to get hopefully. And all this time, all this time while he is taking care of this active fire and making sure his loved ones don't get hurt because they're in the active threat as well, you as one of the people he's protecting from this fire that is slowly coming closer to you and can burn you as well, you get pissed off that he "ran away"to go get his fireproof jacket, helmets, and oxygen mask in order to do his job more efficiently. What sense does that make? Why in the hell would I ever empathize with somebody who does something like that? and what's funny is for those in defense of mark, this is the exact example people will give all the time and guys like you will still try to say that he's in the wrong. Nobody was ever saying that he was not a bad boyfriend or that he wasn't wrong for lying to her. But that that was not the time or place. He is literally in a situation where he's saving all of their asses including her. And his suit is one of the very things he needs to use in order to protect them. Her frustration was understandable. But that was absolutely not the time or the place to let her frustrations be known. And if she really really really really really really really needed to, she might as well would have took him in private and had a conversation instead of making him feel like shit for going out to save people including her from an active threat. Or an active fire in the case of this metaphor. Set fire that almost burnt and killed his best friend. but yet we're supposed to see Mark as a selfish one and not her? Yes he was trying to have his cake and eat it too. And he was wrong for that. But how am I supposed to see that as worse than somebody who's mad that he was literally saving lives including hers? Especially when she chose to blow up right right right right right right right right right the second after the threat was over instead of being grateful that he was safe including herself and his friend. That is beyond fucking selfish. Everybody's lives there including your own, the person who is frustrated with the firefighter, is more important than your feelings. And I will say that the Amber hate bandwagon is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know what that's about. But I'm willing to bet a good portion of people are really just mostly mad about the people who keep defending her and telling everybody else to look at it from her perspective. We've seen it from her perspective. And it's a selfish one. It was sympathetic up until that point where the perspective became selfish. I actually liked her character. I still want to like her character. I like her design. I like the voice actor. The voice actor does a great job. But man that dialogue just ruined it. That one moment ruined it. It ruined her for me. It took all the sympathy I had for her, and I threw it out the window like it didn't matter. I can't speak for everyone, but for a lot of people out there including me, we mainly don't like her because it feels like the show took all the sympathy we had for her and just stomped all over it. And then it took a nice fat shit on it. Just a nice pure warm diarrhea. Just to top it off with piss from the people who keep saying look at it from her perspective. We did. We were. We were with her until she ruined it. Until the writers fucked it up. She was a sympathetic character before, and now no more. And what's crazy is thousands of people out there have probably said the exact same thing I probably have said a thousand times in a thousand different ways, and somebody like you was still trying to make that person out to be a misogynist. Even though they're mainly disappointed that a sympathetic character was no longer sympathetic. We're being told to look at it through her perspective when we've been doing that this whole time. Which is why we're now against her. She went from sympathetic to selfish.

I feel like people get swept up in the idea of the supportive GF to the hero cliche that they forget there’s a lot of legitimate good reasons why someone would want to turn that down. 1. You have to accept that there are always going to be bigger priorities than anything you have going on in your life. You’re BF might have to run off during your darkest moments or crowning achievements. 2. The person you love could be killed by a supervillain at anytime. 3. You could potentially be threatened or held hostage by a supervillain if one ever learns about you. 4. You won’t be able to talk with others about what’s going on in your relationship. BF has been distant? You can’t go into detail on why with your best friend Those are just a few off the top of my head but I know there’s more and when you put them all together it’s easy to see why someone would want to nope out.

Is it a subversion? Mary Jane Watson has had big issues with Peter Parker's super heroics, especially when Venom appeared. The issue with Amber is she was so badly written in what was otherwise a fantastic show. just think, when a relatively unliked or unlikeable character is given the high horse, against a guy trying to do everything right and is written sympathetically is only going to make them look like an utter bitch, especially if they know the truth. Trying to present her as having a valid point is crappy writing given the context. She knows he's risking his life and all she cares about is why SHE hasn't been told of his secret identity. Anyone defending this is doing some mental gymnastics. Accept she's a crappy character and stop trying to justify a character whose clearly been written in an unlikable way.

@@danielebowman Thank you, you said it all.

@@danielebowman Thank you. I see walls of text trying to defend her, when all I have to do to defend mark is point out that he disapears to save thousands, and Amber knowing his identity also reveals Nolans identity. The lie is of omission yes, but only while he's still unsure if he's ready to put everything on the line. For Amber you have to value her relationship equal to human lives and have Mark act extremely recklessly about his secret identity. Amber and Mark were at half a year iirc, and he was finally getting ready to say something about it (because he'd only been invincible for about a year at that point!). Imagine if the break up went sour at month 7-8 and now he has a bitter ex for CECIL to deal with. Luckily Marks dad beat him half to death, so alls forgiven.

Wats crazy is that even now in season 2 (from the first ep) he still isn’t being honest with her. I wonder when he’ll learn his lesson. My money is on when he and Debbie actually talk.

@queenviren well in s2 he's at least talking to her. He's being more open with eve because they're end game so trying to have anymore emotional set up with amber isn't worth it.

Amber wants honesty but doesn’t give honesty, if she did she would’ve come clean to Mark about knowing before dumping him. But instead she gaslit everybody by acting like she didn’t know then saying that she did know. If she knows he’s a hero then blowing up at him for the college campus visit doesn’t make sense. She knows that hero is Mark but is still upset that he “ran away”. Like what does she expect him to do? Fight without the suit and mask, putting everybody he cares about at risk because supervillains could easily target them specifically now? Also, keep in mind that prior to them starting to date they had no relationship at all. Weren’t friends, didn’t know each other, didn’t even have each other’s phone number. And she’s expects him to tell her every secret he has in under 5 months of dating.

@paytonyoder1260 why didn't mark tell her. I get amber should've handled that better, but why didn't he just tell her? She was waiting for him to be honest. His dad was basically telling him that he was doing the right thing, which he wasnt. So how about we point the stink eye at omni man instead of sitting on amber like she's the one who beat the ever living christ out of mark as opposed to battle beast

@@LightGlyphRasengan because it’s a secret identity and it puts her at risk. He’s known her for less than half a year and he’s expected to give up his biggest secret that could even be embarrassing? Did you reveal your biggest, deepest secret to a person you dated in under 5 months? He can’t very well go around telling everybody that he’s a hero, if it gets out that they know his secret identity then they will have a target on their back. It’s absolutely ridiculous how much people expect a new superhero to divulge his most important secret to a girl that he started getting to know 5 months ago. Do you go tell your partner of under 5 months that you’ve got an addiction? But no, we can’t wait for Mark to naturally open up. We’ve got to reach in and rip the secrets out of him because he needs to be honest with the woman that isn’t being honest with him. Mark really likes her, he wants her to be proud of him. You think she’s gonna be proud if he basically says, “Amber, I’m a superhero that gets beaten up and nearly killed regularly.” It’s absolutely insane that you’re saying that Amber could’ve handled it better, but why didn’t Mark tell her all his secrets on her schedule. Do you tell people in your life important things on their schedules? Do you let people pressure you and rush you into things you aren’t ready for? Do you have people in your life that know something about you and gaslight you by acting like they didn’t know in the moment only to tell you they knew already when you try to tell them?

Nolan explicitly referring to her as his pet seems like the obvious reason people are doing that...

Facts

Sick of melodrama without purpose n depth

I never felt that Amber was waiting for him to keep messing up.

Amber never waited for him to mess up. She waited for him to tell the truth and was upset he never did. Also hiding your double life from loved ones doesn’t help them in any way. If Mark couldn’t be honest with her than it’s not right to drag her along while lying to her. Amber also isn’t right for expecting him to endanger himself by telling her his secret but that’s why she dumped him.

@ruthlessjones8220 loved one? They're teenagers who have been dating for a few months. Are you entitled to know everything about a person a few months into dating? Even then, Mark was wrestling with telling her. I think the long history of superhero stories does show that hiding your superhero life can, in fact, help. Hell, even under cover police etc know this. He does tell her and her response was frankly toxic. She had already figured it out, she could have been honest and mature, talked to him, and moved forward together. It is bad character writing and forced drama. Simple as that, really. Fortunately, it is better in season two.

I think this is an "Umbridge vs. Voldemort" situation, we KNOW villains are evil, but we hate them as villains, not as people. It's like a post I saw "The mass homicide in this book is fictional, but my annoyance for this character's behaviour is real" hahahah I think we have all kind of seen a person like Amber who makes it all about her, and not being trusted when the dude is getting punched through a train trying to save people. I think that's why she's a little better in season two, she saw him as Invincible and Mark when getting his shit kicked in by his dad and was actually afraid for him instead of annoyed he didn't tell her before.

Dating a superhero, regardless of your knowledge of their secret identity already puts you at risk. Keeping this secret from someone you're dating is putting them in danger no matter what.

Nah it's completely reasonable. She's putting her life at risk dating him. If he's not ready for that kind of relationship (he's not) then they should break up. So she breaks up with him. End of story.

If his secret was so important he would not have used it as a bargain ship to win her back because after they broke up notuing changed. He still only dated her for some months, she is actually safer now that they aren't together, so his secret was not really that important and was more of him trying to be like he though a superhero should be based on Nolan's advice.

​@@AuthorityCat Come on man. You know Amber's a prick for not recognizing that mark learning how to save lives is more important than her stupid high school fling. And the idea that she has the right to know that Mark is a super hero is ridiculous. You expect Mark to tell Amber this big of a secret to a person they've been dating for what like a month?! And not keeping it a secret can only put her in MORE danger! "Loose lips sink ships" and that's just with modern military, now Imagine that with superpowers.

I wanted to listen to the whole video before commenting on why Amber is hated in S1 and you completely missed the mark. They hated her because she was toxic, manipulative and a narcissist. People hate on what they can relate and we all knew a S1 Amber (same reason Umbridge is more hated than Voldemort in Harry Potter).

@@francargeric1 I just made this exact comment like a minute ago, you get me my man! Thank you, I don't feel nuts.

Nice straw man go argue against the wind lmao

brain less@@livetochange974

The problem isn't her cutting the relationship or being upset. The problem is her complete lack of understanding as to the reason he was keeping that secret. She was acting like she was entitled to that sort of information within a few months when in reality that's not the type of thing that should just get dropped that early and if she has a problem with dating a superhero, she can absolutely leave the relationship. But don't try and pretend like Mark is a piece of shit for saving other people's lives as a priority. You can break up with someone without being a dick to them. Eve wasn't even as harsh with Rex when he was literally cheating on her. That warranted that type of reaction. Mark didn't.

I haven’t read the comics and I might’ve missed something in the show. Did Debbie know the whole time? Also I think Skylar is a bit different because while she’s kind of annoying to our MC, she has a more understandable reason. With Amber, she should be mad about Mark, but I think the show did poorly at showing that both of them were wrong imo. Mark shouldn’t have to show his secret identity to a girl he’s only known for a few months. It’s dangerous to tell people things like that, no matter how long you’ve known them for. I think the reason the fans hated it was cuz of the writing. The writers failed to show it properly imo

This is a ridiculous false equivalence. _Not having_ your partner's personal financial information doesn't come hand in hand with constant, unexplained disappearances and no-shows.

@@PillarofGarbage If your a hero saving lives and making enemies, the last thing you want is to give them targets. A secret identity is the same as financial info. both will change your life in the wrong hands. 5 months is not enough time to trust someone with that type of info. I could date someone and she could ask for my social. I give it to her then on month 6 we have a falling out. Welp now she can sell that info. His disappearances where explained as lies for for her own good. But that goes out the window once she said she found out. Now instead she is toxic as she is putting other lives below her feelings. She calls him a coward for leaving her to fight cyborgs knowing he is the one fighting them. The fact she said she knew for weeks makes her point pointless. It would have been better if she just said that she cant have a relationship with a superhero like it happens in the comix. I dont know why they felt they needed to make as toxic as she is in the show.

@@umbralflow6883the villain can always find out the secret identity, regardless of if the hero’s loved ones know it. Not telling people you care about about potential danger only puts them in danger

@@groundbird4904 Not really in many cases the identity gets leaked by friends and loved ones be that from villain noticing that they hang around the hero often. In some case the friend straight out rats the hero out. My point still stands. What happens is a bad break up happens and she wants to get back at him and leaks it. Most heroes dont do that so early in the relationship. What sane person will just hand over their whole life to someone that may not keep it safe. Maybe after a year or 2 when you know they can be trusted like that. It why most heroes date other heroes as they also understand that type of life.

@@umbralflow6883 what kind of person gives over their whole life to someone who -at the very least strongly appears to- be poorly deceiving with bad excuses and insultingly demeaning you through an expectation that you will accept the excuses. Maybe Mark didn’t want to share his identity with someone he spent months with -it was still wrong to lead Amber on with false pretenses, at least an allusion to physical danger would be useful to prepare. Mark shouldn’t have gone into a relationship without being willing to give and share as well as tale. You cannot take, and take, and take in a relationship and expect everything to be fine, regardless of justification. Also, the examples in which the identities are revealed, would the amount of time they spend in public not also be the hero’s fault? The person that cannot fly around at supersonic speeds can’t easily keep up, right? I agree with you that a relationship with another hero could be better, but I base that around a supposed ‘true knowledge’ of one another, and a willingness to share secrets.

Regardless if he had responsibility as a superhero, he also did as a boyfriend. Don’t know where the rest of your bs argument came from but sure

I think the reason it’s titled “shut up” is because discourse should be somewhat productive. A good example is this comment section, I hate Amber’s character (season two does her better by just ignoring the scene most people complain about lol) but I understand where the people who sympathize with her are coming from. But most Amber discourse is just unproductive, even if it isn’t misogynoiric, it’s just dogpiling that I don’t enjoy. Like, in real life, I can discuss this show and discuss Amber and it’s all levelheaded and shit, but on the internet it really does make you wanna go “shut up, man.”.

nah, I cooked

@@PillarofGarbage and now kitchen is burning.

Yeah, and you forget that book did that better by dodging that stupid trope all together.

No, what you don't understand is that everyone in the in world acting like Mark was completely unreasonable is what makes it bad. She could just be an unreasonable character if it wasn't for the fact that the full cast who it is brought up bends to her logic and acts like Mark is ridiculous for trying to protect people by keeping his identity a secret. It's stupid and makes no sense at all Like, it's fine to say he should have broken up with her in the scheme of things, but acting like she wasn't completely insane for pretending to not know he was risking his life to save theirs and far makes it immersion breaking and infuriating

THAT'S really your reasoning eh?

I would have more respect for her if she didn't act like Mark abandoned her when she knew full well he was right there literally saving her life. She doesn't have to stay with him, but pretending he did something he didn't do in order to guilt trip him is toxic as fuck.

@@YouthRightsRadical shitty or not, isn't she entitled to be angry when jerked around and not trusted with the truth? Justified or not, she was acting out of real hurt, and I think that deserves acknowledgement.

​@@deliciousfloorcandy I can acknowledge that she felt hurt. She obviously did. I'll even go beyond her feelings and explicitly state that Mark is a shitty boyfriend who doesn't know how to be in a relationship. He couldn't make their relationship a priority like she'd made clear was important to her, and he further tried to manipulate her into coming back to him by revealing his identity. That is very much bad behavior on Mark's part. Amber's shitty behavior doesn't excuse Mark's shitty behavior. And Mark's shitty behavior does not excuse Amber's.

@@deliciousfloorcandyTrue she had a right to be frustrated buuuuut her behaviour is still highly toxic and probably wouldn’t be so defended if the genders were swapped. I find a boyfriend shaming his super girlfriend for not being honest with him at all times deeply uncomfortable wouldn’t you?

@@li-limandragon9287 There's a difference between not always confiding in someone and being chronically unreliable and giving bullshit excuses. If a female partner pulled that, no, I would not find that uncomfortable. I would find being upset with her justified.

Yeah, people who are insecure should be ashamed of themselves.

like yeah you were mad that mark was still lying to you but making up a whole new excuse to go off on him is pretty self centered and entitled of you like you being told is more important than lives being saved she is the reason mark doesn't immediately help find rick which led to rick being turned into a cyborg

Completely brushed off that their friend had basically died, almost cheated on him and ruined the weekend and SHE KNEW? Textbook narcissist.

Thank you for being one of the few sane people in this comment section.

she also almost cheated on him manipulated him and so on so forth the superhero issue is not even actual reason why she is trash.

Actually there's a video from a notable brain-haver about what you missed, there.

If you can't see how toxic she is in season 1, then we can't help you.

@@wulaeofthetengu8336 yeah I don’t think I’m the one that needs “help” in this situation. If you watch season 1 of Invincibles, and your big takeaway is that this high school girl is “toxic” because she acts like a selfish teen a couple of times, then I’m afraid we can’t help you.

@@vileforfeit Because emotional abuse is perfectly okay if it's a woman doing it to a man.

@@YouthRightsRadicalima have to ask you to touch some grass, go outside, and to please interact with people.

@@bigboy3686 Why would that make me okay with sexism and abuse?

I'm fine with it. I tend to watch things slowly anyway, so it hasn't bothered me much at all!

All that you just said is kinda stupid. By your logic, no one deployed overseas in the military should have a significant other at home because they won’t be able to spend much time together. And that isn’t fair for them because they deserve a loving relationship too. Of course, it’s one thing to go into the relationship knowing that sort of thing beforehand and another thing entirely to find out after the fact, but Amber is still in the wrong and always will be. (1. She had the audacity to be mad at him for keeping his superhero identity a secret when she hid the fact that she found out about it pretty early into their relationship. It’s very hypocritical of her to get mad at him for keeping an important secret from her when she, in fact, also kept an important secret from him. Especially when you consider that superhero 101 is to keep your identity a secret from your loved ones because them knowing could put them into serious danger. Criminals and supervillains could use a superhero’s loved ones as bargaining chips against them to get what they want, or worse, kill them (2. After finding out that Mark was a superhero, she didn’t tell him that she knew and just… Expected him to change how long he spent superhero-ing, even though he has very little control over how long a situation will need his attention or how many situations he may need to attend to in one day. And if she has even a modicum of maturity, she’d know that. (3. It is extremely selfish of her to be thinking about herself when Mark is literally putting his life on the line to stop criminals, supervillains, and save people. Like, who in their right mind would be upset at their significant other for not spending much time with them when they’re out getting beaten half-to-death by a giant talking lion from another planet? All in all, Amber is a selfish brat who deserves all the hate she’s gotten.

⁠@@Purechaos61​​⁠​⁠this comment is the embodiment of the average braindead modern media consumer. 1. Nobody said, not even amber said, he had to tell her was hero. What he had to do was tell her "I have personal responsibilities that I cant talk toyou about that will make it so I will have to cancel our plans at sudden and random times". Either that OR break up with her. The difference about people being deployed over seas is that THEIR PARTNER KNOWS WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR AND CAN MAKE THE DECISION FOR THEMSELVES. He never gave amber the chance to know what she signed up for, he PRETENDED to be a normal bf and then forced her to deal with his inability to be there for her regardless. He was SELFIS. His desire for a GF is not more important than her right to honesty. 2. Youjust plug yourears whenever she talks, huh? She literally said she didnt expect him to change superheroing, she expected him to make better decisions about how to handle his superhero job. So either A) break up with her because he knows he cant be a good bf to her unless he tells her the truth which he doesnt want to do, or B) tell her the truth and let her decide whether or not she wants to be with a super hero. Shes not immature, people who hate her just have the emotional intelligence of wet sand 3) Again SHE DIDNT KNOW HE WAS A SUPER HERO FOR 99% OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP, that means for MONTHS he kept making promises to her to make it to dates and dinners and events, only to stand her up and humiliate her each time and she had no idea why. When instead of he could have simply NOT made those promises. Being a hero is not an excuse to humiliate her and make promises to her he KNEW he couldnt keep because if his job needs him he HAS to answer the call. She NEVER said he cant be a hero, she just wanted him to be HONEST with her. "Shes selfish for wanting basic respect and honesty in a relationship" YaII are embarrassing

See, the fact that you characterize her getting mad that he LIED TO HER as being mad that he saved her life is so twisted my dude. She straight up explains in plain language why she was upset and you just decided that no, she's actually mad at Mark because he's TOO good and perfect. What is wrong with you dude?

@@the_exegete Sorry, mis-phrased, i shouldve said she got mad at him AFTER saving her life. Dont attribute to malice what can be attributed to a mistake bro. Amber has a valid reason to be angry but so does Mark. A superhero identity isnt as easy to give out as your home address. He could be putting a lot of people in danger AND hes been told to keep it a secret by Cecile so him not saying it in a 6 month relationship seems acceptable to me

@@Chippies278 She got mad at him for lying to her. Full stop. End of. That is why she is mad. Why are you not willing to see this? Oh, because if you acknowledged that your anger at this fictional girl would no longer be justified, and you enjoy that anger. I'll keep telling you incel idiots this over and over and over: if you lie to your partner constantly for months on end the fact that you feel like you have a good reason for it WILL NOT PREVENT YOU FROM BEING A DESPICABLE LIAR and you will rightly lose that relationship.

@@the_exegete I literally agreed with you, idk why youre getting so mad out of no where. I dont hate Amber, i dont think shes unrightfully angry, nor do i hate mark and think hes unrightfully angry. I could go into all the reasons why Mark fucked up as there are many, but thats not what i chose to go into, i chose to go into why i think Amber fucked up. If you actually wanna be calm about this, id love to talk about how mark messed up but right now i can tell you dont care about anything i have to say, i can also tell that you cant see the depth and passion that was put into both of these characters if you think the conclusion is simple enough to put into one sentence so whats the point, im not gonna go in depth if its not going to be read.

@@Chippies278 I don't give a single solitary shit about discussions about character motivations in this cartoon. I do care about the decade-long effort to turn young people into hateful reactionaries by riling them up over their shows and games and toys being destroyed by SJWs because women are allowed to exist in them. That is what the anger over Amber is. Part 803450 in this made up culture war bullshit. I have no interest in pretending that anything else is happening here. And the idea that you r super-duper nuanced position on THIS CARTOON is somehow more important and that we have to pretend those incel anti-SJW lunatics haven't poisoned all of this in order to indulge you is disgusting.

Of course just wait until you see the Gabby Controversy.

Bringing in nuance would be recognising the attempt to subvert the source materials subversion but fumbling it by following the same beats the source material did with their relationship

That would be because the narrative knows that Rex, Kate, Robot, Alan, etc. were acting badly. The narrative treats Amber's behavior as perfectly reasonable. If the narrative had treated Amber's bad behavior as Amber behaving badly, we wouldn't have people screaming about what a bad person Amber is because they wouldn't feel the need to argue against the narrative.

@@YouthRightsRadical Okay... but the narrative DOES treat her behavior as not plus ultra. Because an important element of this is that, in the core of it, she IS RIGHT! It's just how she goes about it that could have been better. And the series absolutely shows that.

@@hartthorn In what way does the narrative show her behavior as something that "could have been better"? Mark's behavior is called out by a number of neutral third parties, including his closest friends to demonstrate that the audience is supposed to recognize Mark's behavior as bad. Is there anything equivalent demonstrating the narrative sees the problems with how Amber is behaving?

@YouthRightsRadical Yes. There is. But as I already pointed out, Mark is the one ultimately in the wrong. Anyway, I'm gonna follow the video's recommendation and stop here. Villainizing Amber is just... boring.

@@hartthorn So you don't actually have an example of the narrative treating her as if she is behaving poorly? Okay then. I have no further questions.

"Mark expected an extraordinary degree of trust from Amber but didn't trust her in turn." That is an angle that I hadn't explicitly picked up on. Thank you for that.

​@@vidmunchertrust from what? He been dating for 6 months or less. He knew her for that amount of time. Like come on.

​@@heavyc4450he expects Amber to trust that he has good reasons for his absences but doesn't reciprocate the trust by telling her the actual reason he is absent.

Comic just had her actually understand that and later break up was due to long absence. Which makes more sense and actually subversive.

@@mikhaelgribkov4117 Geez, so why not just do that for the show too?!

go ahead not liking her or the series! All I’m asking here is that you don’t plaster excessive hate everywhere 👍

@@PillarofGarbage I'm the lone Invincible show hater in this sea of idiotic hype. Oh, reminds me of the days when CDPR cult was rising and I saw Cyberpunk trainwreck years ahead, it was even worse than i expected.

I think the "I've known for weeks" line was detailing how long Mark had been lying to Amber. Mark had weeks to come clean and tell the truth but didn't. She wanted Mark to be honest with her and he failed. I think that is what people are missing about that scene. If Mark couldn't trust Amber with something as simple as his secret identity there is no telling what else Mark has hiding.

@@kappadarwin9476 again. In my defense, I haven't watched it in a year, so now that I have my doubts, I need to go back and rewatch it.

My thoughts exactly

Very glad this comment exists! Thank you for taking the time to write it out :)

@PillarofGarbage Not at all, there actually exists a good deal I didn't delve into for brevity's sake lol. Many thanks for the heart, reply, and amazing videos

Reading people go into detail in the comments about why Anti-Amberism is shite has been a joy. I watched Invincible maybe a month ago or so. Zero engagement with the fandom until now. Finding out about "The Amber Problem", where whingey right wing white dudes say that the ultra bland blonde haired blue eyed Amber was better than an actual character who is black, caused my dog to begin barking incessantly. So yeah you'll never convince the willfully ignorant to give up their malice and actually arguing them is not only futile but counterproductive in that a serious argument gives a sense a validity. That something is up for debate. However it is important, and entertaining, to examine, dissect, and debunk as a public announcement so that the ignorant don't get radicalized by gobshites.

@@morrigannibairseach1211 Indeed, the confrontation of such ludicrous narratives is, in and of itself, the path of progress, as well as a wonderful means by which to dissect the actual worth of art and expression beyond reactionary drivel.

@@morrigannibairseach1211 That means that the majority of this shows fans are ignorant cos its no secret that most people that watch this show hate Amber

🤯 I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I SAY!!!

Nah you're right. There still would have been hate but this definitely intensified the anger and turned it into a "culture war" thing.

THANK YOU!

He mentions it in the video

It seems the name Amber has a trend then… all jokes aside, I always assumed she was a satire of a narcissistic asshole pretentious student. Maybe that was cope because I was enjoying the show but when viewing it through the lens of comedy, she just reminded me of the awful 2000s trend where the female side characters in tv shows where written as either whiny and annoying damsels in distress or bland voids who only exist to cause chaos for the main characters.

I'd agree with you, but the reality is she was already going to break up with him. He already ruined the relationship by hiding something so important that she didn't sign up for. It's not her problem. She's allowed to be an asshole to him and leave.

Yeah honestly a few months is not that long. Revealing a secret identity should be given to somebody you know well and for a long time.

Uh... sure...

absolutely hit the nail on the head with that second paragraph I sometimes get subtle incel vibes in some of the amber hate, and this is why - the fact that _maybe he isn’t entitled to a relationship entirely on his own terms_ is just not a thought that seems within reach for a lot of these people

@@PillarofGarbage Mmm. The terminally online crowd are the only ones I’ve heard really spouting this misogynistic shit, and it defo smells like a lot of people who haven’t really had a healthy relationship before, or a healthy friendship with a woman full stop. Thank you for being a beacon of sanity on the internet!

@@PillarofGarbage I think part of it is that a lot of guy have absorbed the idea that, at least in fiction, if you're a good person, then the universe will award you a lover. From that viewpoint, Amber wanting a partner rather than a nice mantlepiece to be displayed on is blasphemy; an offense against some people's deepest held beliefs about the nature of the world.

I didn’t get exposed to the Amber DiScOuRsE when I watched the show because I didn’t really seek out fandom for it at the time. When I did get exposed to it, I figured it was weird misogynistic shit because it happened in a reddit discussion about episode 6 of MAWS where half of the comments were accusing Lois of becoming the show’s Amber. Truly the most annoying shit.

Eh, I'm not the moment it happened i know the fandom would hate her guts. Look i amd many others don't hate Amber or the twist or them subverting expectations, but they didn't handle it very well and the excecusion was abysmal. Almost felt like they wrote themselves inta corner with ghat scene and this bew Ambers characterization. Old Amber wasn't a fool either she knew but was kost sympathetic abd understanding of Mark he just kept making things worse with kor answering her till she broke up with him

@@tauntingeveryone7208 at the risk of sounding sexist, that is something a woman would likely do.

​@@tauntingeveryone7208yeah this really how i feel about the amber thing, this is really just bad execution and misplaced writing on trying to subvert expectations. Plus by the end of the day amber is not an important character and will most likely be gone from the show for a long while and maybe have small cameos when she stops dating mark. Cause i doubt the writers would drop everything just to give amber more to do then giving spending time with more important characters like rudy/Robot

"Teenage girl doesn't like boyfriend lying to them" getting such an extreme reaction I say... is quite telling of the nature of many of those people's relationships in their youth

I was completely outraged when I first saw that episode but after thinking about it I realized she was right. I loved that episode because it showed that I had some maturing to do. I am disappointed that others have not.

@tauntingeveryone7208 actually I think that's extremely well said

Remember Skyler White? If you weren’t there for that, it was fucking crazy. And she did literally nothing wrong. Now, imagine if there was an inkling of validity behind the criticism, and you got the Amber discourse.

Being emotionally abusive is not "a little immature".

yeah most of these people are usually white middle aged dudes whining about "muh sjw, males are oppressed. black pepole in MY superhero tv show?!??????! the woke agenda has gone too far"

Thing is, Omni-Man is more enduring than Amber is.

you think she only had a wrong attitude? I wish I could lie to myself like this

It’s really not obvious. The show might not completely copy the comics.

Vent more about female side character

@@1kbmahan Don't tempt me.

She wanted Mark to tell her on his own. The "I've known or weeks" line was to inform the viewer how long Mark has been lying to her. If it takes you weeks to be honest about who you are, the relationship isn't stable. Mark is at fault, he should have told her from the start so that she could decide if she wanted to live that sort of life.