That being said, does a custodian make more money in another field, another company? Anywhere else? Worker pay is one issue, disrupting a school year after a 2year hiatus is another. In this case as an outsider, I would personally tell anyone in this position to find another job if they arent happy in their position, or take what they have to offer. Hire private companys under the schools umbrella to clean until there is a resolution and make it clear unions don't control hundreds of thousands of kids and families.

U clean stuff. Get over yourself. You go to college and pay thousands to learn to mop that floor.

Cause you’re not part of the union

@@marcm3017 The government is the issue here my wife makes $36 thousand a year as a Education assistant. She went to school and needed a diploma from college to earn that.

@@calvink.guentherjr no reason for you to be ignorant

every teacher i know (and i know about twenty teachers) supports these cupe workers.

@@apagoogootwo7552 of course they do....they get to go home and sit on their 6 figure salaries, do nothing like they did for the last 2 years, then use this for leverage when they go to strike....I love how you think they're backing them for unselfish reasons lol

@@CV-vi5zo the vast majority of teachers dont sit on 6 figures lol. I work paycheck to paycheck and I'm a teacher and I have two jobs.

@@apagoogootwo7552 They do i agree, but would they go on strike (give up their pay check until settled) for them?

Yeah, that’s fantasy. Reality, is that these people should be replaced by scab workers until the contractors negotiated, just like in the real world. The fact that teachers are going to walk out Friday, speaks volumes on the disgusting control unions have over the education system.

You’re comparing unskilled labour to skilled labour so their wage should be double than yours. If it wasn’t why would anyone want to do those jobs If they could make the same or close to the same picking up garbage? You deserve an increase in wage but to think you should be making close to someone with skilled labour and invested in a degree is asinine.

@@coyoterx6002 still applies. What does your 1% buy? A liveable wage for all workers benefit us all.

@@brendapatten8310 Why would anyone want to do jobs that require skills if you’re going to be making as much as someone who picks up garbage or works a till for a living? If you think all jobs are equal and deserve equal pay why not go ask how that worked out in Communist Russia. You need a job there’s no denying that but if you’re doing unskilled labour you’re going to get unskilled paid. Those that went for skilled labour deserve to have more money for the effort they put in to get there. You deserve a raise that’s fair to the skill you provide and unfortunately picking up garbage or using a pressure washer to remove graffiti is not a skill.

@@coyoterx6002 I sort of get what you are implying but if I do the math of this government in just the recent past, this is what I see. 1% of $39,000 a year is $390.00 or $7.50 per week. Every parent in Ontario of school age children received $200 as a math credit because our kids are falling behind. Lot of money. And 73 of the 83 MPPs saw an increase in salary of $16,000 on a $116,550yearly salary with an eye to raise them to $142,125 in an attempt to correct the 14 year freeze imposed by the Liberal government. Again, a lot of money. And if you are talking %, that $16,000 amounts to more than 14% or a weekly increase of $307 or $1230 per month. $7.50 week or $30.00 a month. Hmmm. Skilled versus unskilled? I have a feeling that some of those $200 cheques will be going to daycare and babysitters while the kids are out of school during this strike. Demeaning work really plays no value in negotiations. It undermines any negotiations and delays settlements. How is that working so far? Not all of those people on strike are cleaners. But agree to disagree.

Get a new career that pays more?

@@Hypeman10 bingo

@@Hypeman10 that's not the point people doing an important job working in our school system need to get paid a respectable wage otherwise they won't get people doing the job. I guess you don't understand the impact it has on our children not everyone can work with behavioral children with varying issues and disabilities in regards to learning more and more are diagnosed every day and are in our schools that need help so the impact of them not getting the help and having them grow up without learning will be a greater impact on society as a whole.

@@Hypeman10 Or.... continue doing what they like and strike to get better pay.

Perhaps she can find a better paying job, or perhaps a second job!

Yes friend, it is annual.

They have received 1.2-2.5% raise every year. Why do they deserve an unheard of 11% raise?

@@rob-1873 Taking in the cost of living and it only going to keep going up 11% is justify

@@momtur4875 No one is getting 11% raises. Even the people who pay those people’s salary. 11% raise for tax payed employees while those taxpayers don’t get anything even close? Why do they deserve more than the people paying their salary?

@@momtur4875 not when its the Canadian people who are suffering through the same economic environment are the ones footing this insane wage hike

Nope. 11% annually is what they're asking for

@@ryanhorner1675 Allow me to correct you. The 11% increase is triggered IF the individual earns less than 40K per year; after which the increase would be 2.7ish% increase. IF the teacher earns 40K+ , the 11% is not triggered.

@@seanmolloy9297 Sid likely knows this but that wording doesnt create outrage and clicks and traffic to his shitty show surprised they gave him one at all dude literally has like 10 people who like him

So basically the poor want a livable wage. I don't see any problem with this and definitely support them

WRONG SEAN !!!! TORONTO - A union representing Ontario education workers has asked the province for annual wage increases of 11.7 per cent - or $3.25 per hour - as the two sides hash out a new collective agreement. THAT'S ANNUAL INCREASE...EVERY YEAR !!

If they work there for 25 years, they’d be making about 500k per year as a janitor. They deserve a raise but let’s be realistic.

@@bigyeet3629 This is why we need to pay our education staff more. Clearly you didn't receive top marks in either math or reading comprehension (or both?).

He's the director of education for the entire province, I'd say he should make more than a teacher

@Amanda wow you're stupid.... 40,000×1.11%, repeating over 25 years does in fact equal almost 500k The point he was trying to make is that an 11% yearly raise will in fact get you to a really stupid number in a short time frame....

@@NoChance18 read my response to Amanda

yeah but ontario teachers make the most money in the world for being a teacher

Also it's a flat 3.25/h raise, that 11.7% is for the lowest earners. The highest earners it's less than the rate of inflation. The 11.7% is being used to mislead people thinking the request is rediculous.

Also keep in mind that McGuinty and Wynne both kept the Harris rates of increase for these workers. The usually get 1% or 0% per year.

@@basketballmaven1454 CUPE education workers are not teachers. These are EA, janitors, secretary- some of the lowest paid employees in the education system. They make an average of 39000 per year.

Where does the gov get the money? They've already spent everything. They have to print more...

Thank you for doing what you do, sir! You deserve more appreciation for the good work you do!

I WORK fOr yrdsb!!!! Teachers better not leave us custodians cause we would have your back!

They won’t Teachers are only in it for themselves and will step over/use anyone they deem useful to them to get what they want. Just like they stepped over healthcare workers who can’t strike and stole all their thunder for their own needs. I feel for the others like custodians, teachers aids and the likes but for the actual teachers themselves, F them! It’s apparent they got enough look at that joke in Oakville that’s teaching woodshop with cartoon breasts. The teachers union should fix that problem before stepping over and using others to benefit themselves more so.

Rich guy educates his kids in private school, why would he care?

Sid needs to STFU it's painful listening to him talk, specially about sports

Please do no hang your hopes of anything serious on that hack. He has repeatedly shown he is not up to the task.

@@johnwilliamsbr yeah he is horrible

Yes he's got a knack for it alright. I agree 11% increase every year is not possible. 3% to 4% is standard increase in the private sector. Teachers and workers need an increase to education industry standard pay levels as well.

@@johnwilliamsbr So if we say the exact same thing about you, no more, no less... then it's a valid point about you ???

Yes their 10% raise in dollars is almost half of what a custodian makes in a year.

Ford does not care about education, housing or healthcare.

How much are they worth in your opinion and why?

Administrative staff wages make sense, they honestly don't do much compared to custodians and they're paid less somehow.

Don't you think our children have suffered enough loss of education in recent times!!!

@SomeDumbGuy wouldn’t it be great if we ALL got 11% more? Employees of private owned companies or corporations don’t get the same demands met because it comes directly from the owners pocket but I guess once you’re dealing with other people’s money it’s easy to just throw it around by the billions

@SomeDumbGuy so how much are they worth?

Have you considered going back to school to become a teacher instead? Pay is a bit better, considering all you guys go through. Can’t imagine running around on my feet all day being responsible for the survival of dozens of children. Thank you.

Yes I have! And I probably will 😊 thank you for your kind comment !

@@ShoyuRamenBreakingBad Maybe she likes her job and is beneficial to the school the governemnt should just print more money and give it to them

Why do you think the government don't want to accept your demands?

It's about trying to disband unions

We need financial education there’s jack in all provinces and it’s very sad. I’m graduating this year and the old old Bare bones of financial education is CALM in Alberta here. It’s sad that I have to learn from someone on KZfaq this stuff and they still preach to save your money when we just watched everyone who saved there money (over 6 months of expenses have it liquidated/vaporized from this inflation from stupid spending when you in reality should have put your money in something with above 5% inflation to be a hedge like for example S&P 500 which on avg grows 10% a year which offsets inflation by 5%.

Welcome to the corporate world … did you expect your career to be better? Everyone who works for international companies is treated like a number, a resource that doesn’t matter and is fully replaceable. The biggest difference is you get a full pension that lasts until you die and the majority of people have to save up for their own retirement and rely on the performance of their rrsp to carry them hopefully through to death but likely won’t.

Maybe you ppl should stop grooming and abusing children with the forced gender ideology

@@Davidjune1970 so, fight for your rights, or join a union. Everything we have, we fought for. And we aren't losing it without a fight.

@@Geoffzilla that’s not how the business world works. You get 4 months off work a year minimum plus tenure. I don’t think you understand how difficult working in the private sector is, but your welcome to leave teaching to learn. In my sector people are getting 3.5% raises after a wage freeze of 3 years. So what are you saying about inflation? For our workers who get paid less than $40k a year it’s literally 60 cents per hour more.

What’s a few dollars? Literally hundreds of millions of dollars. The government has no money. Douggy isn’t keeping it at his place. I agree governments don’t need a big surplus but it seems whenever we don’t run a deficit people feel cheated. When it should literally be the other way around.

@@ryanmac358 he has the money to spend on useless highways though.

@@ryanmac358 except that the ministry of education has a 2 billion dollar surplus from last year, and they can't staff the schools?! Someone is stealing the money rather than paying it out as they should.

@@Geoffzilla who’s stealing the money?

@@Geoffzilla the whole province has a 2 billion dollar surplus. Not education. Why is it such a bad idea to try and pay down hundreds of billions of dollars in debt to reduce debt obligations for future generations.

Omfg. You think there isnt money? Just pay them more...its not hard.

You’re not collapsing anything. The buildings the students teachers all remain constant. There is no savings. At least the Catholic board is in subjected to woke politics

@@Ont785 It’s the teachers who get in that are woke. Catholic board just as much as the public.

@@Ont785 you so wish you lived in the States, don't you? "Woke politics" eye roll

Anton - your taxpayer dollars pay for education/health, etc - there is limited money, unless you are happy to pay more taxes! Im explaining how you can save money to pay them more! Stewart - you sell the buildings/land that are not needed and fill the schools needed - cost savings on running the schools sold and proceeds from the sale! And eliminating the two layers of incredible admin would be a massive savings!

Before doing breakfast news Sid was on the score and then sportsnet 360 for ontarios biggest sport show Tim and Sid. He speaks his mind always and is hilarious

He’s a whackjob. Get a new job if the pay isn’t good. Either they’ll raise the wages or have no staff. Not that hard…

His not a wackjob. His just telling you the realty! How can they hire people if the pay is too low. You need staff like you need nurses and teachers! There is always a solution and reducing expenses in government in other ways to pay teachers, education workers and nurses more is the only solution.

@@seo3324 Ont recorded a $2B surplus. We could also increase taxes on the rich at the provincial level in various ways. We can afford it.

@@seo3324 yep but the sheeple will say.. get a new job then! you ave the summer off! blah blah

Ontarians are too in debt for a general strike, sadly.

F the bargaining process, Teachers unions should be illegal.

Why?

@@harrypalmer907 That's just stupid.

@@harrypalmer907 exactly. They live off the public dime and have the nerve to strong arm us with our children so they can get a slightly better raise and lesser hours.

@@harrypalmer907 any public service unions shouldn’t be legal.

CUPE workers haven't strikes in 5 years. You're too dumb to be a nurse.

Ya let's pay doctors an nurses more money to sit around emergency rooms socializing, giggling an laughing while 100s of ppl in line begging for some kind of legitimate health care.

isn't this it?.....your lord knows they haven't reeeeally allowed HER to say much, other than to agree with him....quite different, from Znaimers initial intent.

Sid went full woke tard. Should Have stayed in sports

Yup! He'd be GREAT a teaching clowns with big red-noses

None of that has any bearing on raises. In the real world, raises are earned. In the real world, we also include the other benefits attached to the job. Reality is, this job in the public sector pays a lot less without benefits. None of us has any bearing on the education of my child. If it did, the teachers wouldn’t be walking out on Friday. I can’t imagine a unionized manufacturing plant, walking out, because the janitors need a raise. It’s just blackmail, Emotional or otherwise

@@Ont785 It doesn't work that way universally. If you make widgets, as your boss, I can say Stewart makes some great widgets. He makes the most widgets. He is a great widget maker. He is probably better than most people at making widgets. Our company made $3 million in profit last year. I have room in my budget and I don't want to lose Stewart so I will pay him more. If I lose Stewart, my company stands to lose revenue and profit given Stewart's contribution will be lost and I, as boss, don't want that. With education (and healthcare) in general, there is no defined product/widgets, and certainly zero consistency in the variables that affect any possible desired outcome. Given this, it is about the value we as taxpayers place on education as a whole - relative to other occupations and industries - and the long term outcomes we hope to see from that. If you talk to most educators they will tell you how poorly funded education is. At very least in Alberta it is getting far worse every year. Many argue (and I suspect with some good reasoning) that this is an intentional move by more Conservative governments to delegitimize public education to off load it to the private sector. We can see how well this works elsewhere. Anyhow, the point is, to what degree do we, as a society, value each and every component of the education system?

@@cre8ivjay Apparently not much-and usually by people who needed quality education the most.

City news is part of that cesspool they are very woke and saying theyre unbiased is a joke

Speaking of biased....

So you want something unbiased that's biased to the right?

@@ferox965 everyone is biased, only question is do you factor in logic or emotion.

"unbiased" + "slighty right of center"??? - This is a contradiction. Try again. Also "non woke" and "slightly right of center" is a contradiction as well. To be "woke" simply means to care about other human beings and the concept of truth (you are "awake" or "woke" to reality that exists outside yourself). To be "non woke" is to deny that others matter, this would be a far-right ideology. Center-right folks are perfectly fine with wokeness.

Usually a contract with a union is 3 or 4 years. I'm a custodian in Manitoba and we are with cupe. Our contracts are every 3 years. We usually get around a 2% raise at the end of every contract. 11% every year for 3 or 4 years is far fetched and isn't gonna happen. So unfortunate this is happening. Hopefully they get this resolved soon.

@@metalmarty3948 my mom is a custodian here in Toronto, Ontario. I’m not 100% sure if it’s different in each province but from what she tells me, they haven’t gotten a raise in a very long time.

@@VZ-Warrior_Soul That's unfortunate. I hope they get a decent raise because they definitely deserve it. I know sometimes contracts have to be negotiated but they shouldn't be waiting a long time for a raise.

@@VZ-Warrior_Soul, she would have gotten a raise every year, it’s contractual. It wouldn’t have been much, maybe 1.5-2%. But asking for almost 12% every year for 4 years is ridiculous.

@@CaSPeR_GHoST I just spoke to her, she just confirmed her raise was 30 cents a year. For 3 years. I’m speaking to her about this as I’m typing this so….

That’s unlawful remember ? That’s considered a occupation!!

The whole point of a strike is to do it from a position of strength when you have the most leverage. A strike during the summer would make zero sense.

lol....but it took hm to wake ya up?........yawn.

No he doesn't = he's ONLY saying this because LECCE's his friend, who got a 16% raise for not being qualified to do his own job!! White supremacy doesn't only affect non-white people, when their MAIN target is WOMEN, mainly white women with low-paying jobs = they want to WIPE them out of existence = these guys have SERIOUS mommy issues they don't want to deal with

True. Evenings are spent marking and planning new lessons and week-ends as well. After school sports take up time. It's not a 9 to 5 job.

No, it’s not. I can’t imagine going in and asking for a raise and saying that I deserve it, and someday I’m going to be promoted therefore I need more money now.

@@Ont785 we all remember that one teacher who was basically a trainwreck right? For some of us that was the norm, if we want these kinds of people to continue to influence our children at the most important developmental stages of their lives... Then keep paying teachers poorly, end of story. That job, has never been given the respect it deserves.

@@Ont785 Until the day that you do...

teachers don't work, they are just parrots, READ chapters 1 to 5, test on friday, repeat, so hard. replaceable with a sticky note stuck a dogs ass

No they don't work so hard. It's financial black mail using innocent school children. Despicable in the highest way. Work 9 months a year. About 20 days off with pay during school "year". No physical labor involved. Best medical and pension around. Enough feeling sad for pampered under worked over paid pompous cry baby teachers and there corrupt union. Being a skilled tradesmen, those are hard jobs. Half these self loving delusional teachers like to think they need more power over the students than thier own parents. Teachers always me me me.

What's the difference?? Curious! You mental-midgets are the real problem

@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 Calling someone a mental-midget, when you don't know the difference 😂. You're a Dunning-Krueger prize winner.

@@PrincipalSkinner3190 you’re definitely a mental-midget + you’re such a dimwit you don’t even know what you’re taking about with your own post 🤡😂😭🤣

@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 Joke is on you buddy. Shame you never had the privilege of an education.

But at least Trudeau bought a million injections of poison for all canadians!

Spot on.

Inflation is the highest in decades. These are 4 year contracts, in 4 years Inflation will not nearly be as high. So no I'm not paying unskilled laborers massive yearly raises matched with massively high inflation.

Perhaps the couch will be more spacious after the strike.

ya even tims a bit of a sheep, thats why tim and sid were kind of bickering or you could tell soemthing as going on before sid left. I think tims a bit of an ass

And next week he'll turn on the teachers and support the Ford government. Standard here.

@@Dawg..... you can tell sids a real one but ya he for sure has to play dumb a lot being on breakfast news

And how about the health care workers he is driving away! Ontario is heading for disaster with this clown at the helm!

Maybe its cus theyre chronically under paid? Notice CEOs and politicians never go on strike?

I guess this time around they are angry at the surplus that Ford has, and the fact that he's given his people raises twice and created positions for people like his nephew. Everyone loved education staff when Covid happened and having their own kids all day drove them crazy! Some selfish people out there

good theyve been fucked over by the province for more than 20 years why should they take it lying down

In summer months lol

Support workers haven't had a strike in 5 years after surviving on 0% raises. Stop licking boot and wake up for a change. 39 000 is unlovable for the work they do.

This is why I hate unions. Always trigger happy with the strike card

@@Michael-pg7rv you got alot of growing up to do! These people need to be heard!

Because the kids aren't going to die if they can't go to school

Dr Dill , really ? No but what will happen to the children after the past 3 years of interruption. ? Dumber than ever , no structure and teachers teaching gender over the curriculum . How come they never strike in July or august ? Oooh yeah no leverage than , but it’s all for the kids right ?

@ Dr dill better look into some of the effects for the last 3 years of shutdowns , mandates and lockdowns .

@ Dr dill , brilliant response . Teachers striking every year . Can cops strike , firefighters , nurses no they are needed right ? Guess teachers aren’t really needed than are they ?

Were lockdowns legal?..or necessary?

Unions are the reason that Mat Leave, sick days, etc are a thing for EVERYONE! Stop being so selfish.

If you think getting rid of unions is the way to increase teachers' take home then I have a bridge to sell you.

What do college instructors have to do with education assistants and support staff? You sound confused as to who is actually going on strike.

@@drwzer You seem confused as my comment was actually an attempt to make a joke. Is this what you do all day? Try to correct people online and on social media? Are you sitting in your mom's basement right now in your underwear trying to be relevant? Keep tryin' bud...keep tryin'.

This has literally nothing to do with teachers, good job showing how ignorant you are.

@@scottgibeault1717 The amusing part is I was actually meeting with my accountant yesterday and I showed him your post and we both had a really good laugh. So mission accomplished! We both concurred, you don’t seem to know what college instructors actually earn.

Most people go to university so they don’t have to get there hands dirty. Those jobs are for the less educated.

@@drwzer that’s a pretty ignorant comment. Most jobs that are “dirty” and “for the less educated” tend to pay much more, my job pays more then teachers. I guess i’m uneducated for working hard for a greater income?

@@drwzer Lol I went to University and I love getting my hands dirty. I found that corporate bullshit jobs are the worst.

@@tannermeeks7120 First, you should look up what a straw man argument means considering I made no mention of what these jobs pay. And I’m very familiar what these ‘hands dirty’ jobs pay as I did them to help pay for undergrad and grad school. Second, it’s factually incorrect that most of these jobs pay more, some do but not most. There are plenty of studies that show university graduates on average have higher lifetime earnings. Third, if you are going to call someone ignorant, fair game, but at least know the difference between “then” and “than”.

@@drwzer Sorry Sir, couldn’t be bothered to proof read a comment on the internet. I went to university for environmental engineering, a job that starts around 45k and maxes out at 80k. Immediately took a “dirty job for the uneducated” in manufacturing that started out at 60k, two years later at 80k and still room to grow. I’m currently making more than a buddy who mastered in finance and has been working in a bank for the last few years. I would love to see these studies that you claim exist.

This isn't the teacher's union. Go educate yourself.

@@Iesous27 Because Dorians in the secretaries feel they I haven’t got a raise in a while, so they deserve a big one. That’s not how unions work in the real world. In the private sector, if the business isn’t doing well, they don’t get raises. And they don’t get to go back in time to get a bigger one. As a matter of fact, and Unifor, if you’re not gonna work, they will have contractors in to do your job for you while you walk to picket line. Companies don’t have the luxury of having secretaries and janitors going on strike, and shutting down an entire business like these idiots do. Teachers I’ve already given notice they be walking off the job Friday. Just a spoiled bunch of brats

@@Ont785 when the Government gives themselves raises, create new positions for their buddies have a known surplus, bribing parents with $225 to go to extra school help, but the parents can use that cash anyway they want. Look over here not over there. Live these people's lives before you call them spoiled brats.

@@Ont785 Teachers make around 40K per year. That's a disgraceful wage for such a critical job! And the three percent raise that they are ACTUALLY asking for seems perfectly appropriate to me!

@@jackieandrea They are spoiled brats. The very concept that they just “deserve a raise” Because it has been a while speaks volumes. In the real world, raises are earned.

Too bad he went full woke tard. He's actually really smart and has some good points on certain topics