I am going to join the war on drugs. On the side of the drugs.

​@@sepalmq1229Max0r reference ?

​@@sepalmq1229 me when playing britain in vic 3

@@terminator9489 yeah

If you can't beat them, join them.

there's a mod for that iirc

They did say that the civilisation had used up all the tungsten in their entire system by firing the gun at everything

It would be unbalaced af to put a weapon behind a single origin. Plus, if we actually start having planet destroying weapons from a distance, we are talking about relativistic kill missiles. Those are incompatible with Stellaris on the most basic level. Gigaengineering is a great example of how Stellaris doesn't really function well on that level. Not only does it break game systems but it's just incompatible with multiplayer competitions. Even the AI has to be bound away from building and using the Nycol Dyson Beam. Implementing relativistic kill missiles turns most of space sci fi pointless. It genuinely means that the dark forest is real, that any advanced species can snipe fledglings from galaxies away. It means fleets are near pointless and the first species to use these weapons wins, a shoot first scenario. There isn't even much that you can do to defend yourself. It's nearly impossible to see a rkm coming at you. Even if you see it, you cannot stop them all. Best case scenario, you fire a volley back and get mutual assured destruction. But the attacker could build self replicating drone swarms that destroy any planet with life signs. Even if the defender fires back, it's not the homeworld of the attacker and instead gets flagged as the new top priority threat.

The weapon is too slow. Remember these systems are potentially 10 to 20 light years apart after just too hyper lane jumps. It isn't a viable weapon against FTL empires, but I guess it could be used as a good surprise crack against another empire. You just fire it 10 to 20 years before you intend to go to war with them and potentially wipe out 1 planet before things have even begun. Obviously the counter is the higher their intelligence is against you the more time they get to stop it.

@@LuizAlexPhoenix To be fair the origin kind of points out the flaw with the weapon in a game like stellaris. The first is that its effectively a mega structure build using the resources of one solar system, meaning more or less there's a good chance another empire will discover FTL technology and come greet you before you get time for a second shot. Even if fire it off and it lands before they crack the technology there's a good chance you'll have developed habitats to accommodate for a growing population. Habitats that would be neigh impossible to attack with a weapon like this, and you just basically made them aware that they need to use their freshly destroyed planet to build weapons against you. The possible worst thing about all of this is that it's just slow. The type of damage this weapon can do can be discovered in less than 100 years of discovering ftl in the form of a planet busting weapon that can can make a lap around the galaxy in less than 100 years. It has its uses that I pointed out in the other comment, but it's just impractical in a universe like stellaris. The only people that could possibly hope to make use it are in systems not connected by hyper lanes and the moment jump technology is available the game is over. They'd be better off building drones who's sole purpose is to wipe out signs of intelligent life so when their colonists get there they either get shot dead by the survivors or have a whole new planet freshly terraformed for them.

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Nah. You're part of the "xenos are cool" faction, and then realize that you were wrong and xenos need purgin'.

The weidest part is that they needed an enemy that was strong enough to attack you. But then somehow aren't any longer. Plus, to avoid questions such as "can we just build that same weapon?" they contrived a limit by saying it takes a whole system's tungsten. To a wide empire, that is not that big of a deal. Presumably, there are millions more systems out of the hyperlanes, so they are useful too. Finally, just weaponize the Dyson Sphere into a Nycol Dyson Beam.

To be fair disagreeing with them is just playing a normal empire with some flavor that survived an initial strike. I think the point of this origin is that you let the darker voices win, since it gives you a falling to darkness kind of fantactic purifier empire. Similar to how with clone army, descending is basically 'we had our fun, now lets be a normal empire'.

Actually you get a Free Civic Slot, if you stick to your guns, so you are rewarded. So your options is to go Mid-game Fanatic Purifier, or a Civic Slot if I am not mistaken

@@LuizAlexPhoenix The problem is different I guess, part of it being physics - mass driver would accelerate it to some fraction of a speed of light and it will take years for it to hit. Second problem is gameplay, yeah a wide empire could very much afford to create and upkeep a weapon like this, but is it a good design choice to basically have a "destroy enemy planet in X years" mechanic? Nope. Especially that vs a tall empire you could stagger the launches in such a way that they hit right next to each other which is just complete cheese.

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The bigger problem is that space is very very very very big, and 'finding' someone is very difficult. Visiting is even harder. And by the time you see someone, they might be long gone.

@@SomeUnsoberIdiot We can look billions of light-years away for signs of powerful civilisations, the kinds that could be a threat. By 2200, we'd already know about any Fallen Empires from their constant emissions. A number of the regular empire types we'd also know of, same reason. You can't hide your thermal footprint unless you hide inside a nebula. And even those move over time. And that's with FTL available. In real life, no, you learn about any neighbours long before you can meet them or shoot them. And if you're new, they're likely millions of years older and stronger.

​@@archapmangcmgThe thing is, even if you start firing at everyone and somehow they don't destroy you on one go, then someone just outside your detection range will immediately know and deem you a huge threat. Say that we are the first civilization ever, just create a self replicating swarm that expands out of our habitable cloud. This swarm can fire away from us into any planet inside the habitable zone of a star and any planets with life signs. After a while, the newborn civs would get blown from galaxies away without any ability to properly retribute.

@@archapmangcmg Yes, we can look billions of light-years away -- at things as they existed billions of years ago. And anything that is there *now* can look at us -- and they'd only see what we looked like billions of years ago.

@@keenirr5332 The universe is OLD. Civilisations could have begun before our Sun formed. They could have watched that event, watched Earth cool and develop life. There is no hiding from that. The idea that two independent groups developed simultaneously is ludicrous. You'd never accept that as a scientist until you had a LOT of evidence that it actually happened that way. Billions of years available and two chose the same 0.0001% still leaves a gap of thousands of years. Enough time for the older group to be in space while the younger was discovering agriculture. By the time the young ones are in space, the old ones are so far ahead militarily that they cannot be defeated. This isn't a Dark Forest. It's a young child opening its eyes and waiting the second or two for their eyes to clear and see everything around them. Is it a park in the middle of a city? Is it open plains? Either way, it's not scary, just vast, and they won't do anything useful throwing a pebble.

Agree

It's actions by the AI like those that make me think they're powered by spite. Like yes they're completely incompetent at times but they manage to somehow be infuriating in the best ways. Fallen Empire: "Do what you must, I have already won"

@@frylad I mean, props for being able to identify a threat. Crisis empires are existential threats. Everyone dies if they win. So if you have to sack your planets to stop them, it's worth it. A shame they can't coordinate better, but ironically enough, that war was followed up by my vassals mass revolting, I was literally at war with every single one of them. But because it was a war for independence, they didn't have the TW mechanics, so they couldn't keep what they took. I just surrendered when they got close to my capital and forced them into a 10 year peace deal so I could blow up the galaxy uncontested.

This is the way. Much less frustration watching than playing.

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