It's only $5000 with shipping. They practically give them away.

I really appreciate all of the TimWelds audience as well as the few companies I choose to work with for making this whole thing possible! This setup is going to enable some really cool project builds that are coming up on the channel.

He says in another comment that it was gifted to him, so no funding was necessary.

@@rodfrey good for him.

@@rodfrey they wouldn't have gifted it without him having that many viewers 😉

What did two tables cost you?

@@ChanceDeLaShyI paid $1999.00 each, yes $1999.00 the same kit thats double that today, I’ve had them for nearly 3 years now, absolutely love them.

@@ChanceDeLaShyI’ve bought nearly $4000 since in extra tooling etc, I’m having Delrin Pucks made (basically Prisms) so I can do other work, like woodwork etc. I bought one then Quantum machinery told me there was a price increase coming so I said send me another, back then they were $1999 for the 3x4 kit with all the tooling and going up $500.00 so I jumped on it. Now I believe the kit is $4500 which I’d never pay it today, that’s too much for my wallet. I’m into everything I have which is quite a a bit of tooling with a used snap on tool box for,storage for less then $10,000.00, you never see them for sale used. They are great, down the road I’d like a series 28 set but for now the imperial 16 is great even though the imperial 16 has less tooling available compared to a series 28.

​@@marcanthony854 You were wise. I bought the same kit for $2K. Love it. I had considered jumping on a second one at the time, but I didn't 🤦🏻‍♂️. Now, I'm thinking I'll snag the 2x3 package and make a 6x3. These tables are worth every penny.

@@marcanthony854Siegmund has different prisms. Their clamps. An have various materials for the feet as well, including nylon and poly.

They sent it out after I reached out to them. I really appreciate the few sponsors that I work with who make it possible for me to do more on the channel than I otherwise would.

@@TimWelds no harm ,,, but it lends a lot to your credibility if you say so ,,,

Yes, just say you received it as a promotional item....we know that's how a lot of You Tubers get stuff for free that not all of us could afford.

Thanks! I’ve used it twice and so far so good. I think the main difference will be fewer dings and weld spatter really does seem to stick less. It’ll take a little time to see what else stands out.

It’s good for the price point. It doesn’t have the ability to accept this type of locking bolts and the size is smaller (though they can double up).

@@TimWelds thanks for the reply.

Hey Tim, have you been hacked.....? Or is someone impersonating you????

What do you mean by too much heat?

I wish the engineers and designers who draw these things would learn a little about avoiding distortion in the first place and countering it. But they show fitments with no space and scribble codes without thinking how it's going to pull.

@@jimurrata6785 I imagine that it's hard to factor in because it's so... not random, but incalculable. How can it be quantified? Maybe the tolerances account for it? I don't know, but it's one of those things that no one really thinks about unless you're welding it. I don't really consider it during fit up, mostly because I don't know how to. But I know it's going to happen, because it happens every single time.

@@InchFab I've always felt that any engineer, designer, architect, whatever... should have to work in the trade they design for (so they realize challenges and don't spec the impossible) Is there an _absolute_ amount of distortion you will get from a weld... every time? No. Too many factors like stress already in the material, fit up, how hot the bead goes down, how fast it cools down, HELL, how that particular filler rod _felt like behaving _*_that_*_ day_ But pencil pushers and button pressers can help you overcome. Or they can back you into a corner and stick a knife in your neck. I'm not suggesting that they spec an unsafe weld process or compromise the design. Just design to make that 'perfection' attainable. (This coming from a guy whose longtime friend designs and specs (as well as INspects) plumbing for the nuclear industry.

Awesome! WD-40 worked great for me.

Great question! There’s nothing wrong with the Arcflat, but this table has a lot of advantages other than the size. The material is thicker and the holes are at a tighter tolerance, which makes the clamps sit more true. The surfaces are a consistent thickness and have chamfers ground on the bottom, which allows the use of quick mount fasteners that won’t work on the Arcflat. The table is made from hardened material which prevents dings that affect dimensions. The nitride coating keeps weld spatter from sticking. The engraved grid pattern and rulers make setups much faster. The overall quality is at another level as well. They are both a good for their price, but this system is in another league.

My Buildpro bolts work with this table without a problem. Just get the 0.98” length bolts and not the slightly longer 1.1” bolts. This won’t tighten down without a thick washer. My Buildpro clamps work as well. I don’t know why the bolts don’t work in your table. What’s the problem?

@@melgross You own a Langmuir table? Just to clarify you don’t mean the Siegmund. My table might have a different thickness than yours. Could be a casting issue on my end.

@@alonsorobots I don’t, but a friend does. Yeah, the Langmuir table is 3/8” thick. That’s why I said to use a thick washer. Then it’s fine. The standard bolts are for approx. 1 inch total thickness. Or 25mm thickness. All these tables have 16mm holes except for the Buildpro, which is 5/8”. Very tiny difference.

I highly doubt you’re is anywhere as good as a Siegmund. Sorry, but you’re not going to get the same spacing equality as a CNC table. Nor is yours going to be as flat, or as strong as this 0.500 thick hardened and tempered tool steel table that’s machined, then ground after tempering. Enjoy yours, but don’t fool yourself.

These are German made, extremely high quality and hard tables. It’s not that Kovosu tables don’t provide a good value option, but it’s not the same thing.

Interesting since the accessories seem to have very similar molds. Hole chamfering and tapers looks very similar as well. It’s definitely possible design is being copied by Kovosu. What’s the flatness measure? We have a Kovosu SS 304 and we have measured it to have flatness of 0.15 mm across the long length of our 4.5’ x 8.5’ custom table from them. *we paid ~$13K excluding customs etc

@@securitycamera322they’re not Kovosu tables. Many other companies copy the Siegmund tables and fixtures. Some are a lot cheaper. None are the same internally.

I paid 1999 for mine 2 years ago right before there price increase, today there 4500 for,the same exact kit

I'm thinking certiflat for that price, then.

@@sammccollum2985 ya, I don’t know how good they are as I’ve never looked into them but I can’t see spending $4500 for a 3 x 4 table. That’s why I bought two of them back in the day because I figured they were going to go up in price I would not pay $9000 for two of them today that’s for sure.

​@@marcanthony854once inflation is figured into the mix it really isn't much of a difference in actual costs. As long as your revenue has stayed up with inflation.

They provided it for use in videos. I really appreciate the few companies that I choose to work with because they make it possible to do more on the channel.

Yes, free for advertisement. I love how people say companies provided it for use in videos...Of course, or why else would they send it, as this all would have been negotiated over the phone prior to receiving said promotional items.

The full kit is $4500. They’re not cheap, for sure, though it’s in the price range as competitors tables.

More like $5000 with shipping, and then there is sales tax.

That’s fine

Depends on what you need “real” welders often don’t do quality work either. Go to Jason’s Fireball channel and see what happened when he went to some “real” welders and had them build some simple products. It’s enlightening. The best welders buy high quality fixture tables. It’s clear you’ve never welded.

Because they’re paid by the hour 🤷‍♂️

​​@TimWelds.... you are so right ! Plus, Not all 'real' welders are 'real' fabricators.