My experience has been has been much different. Great ergonomics, pretty good trigger, and dead on accurate. I actually shot a butterfly off of my target at 10 yards. And I have never previously handled the P320 series. 500+ rounds no malfunctions

I know from personal experience, nothing sucks more than a gun that doesn’t work very well.

I have had mine now for a month, and I've not had a single issue, love the sig m18

Officer: "DROP YOUR WEAPON!!!" Me: "But officer, It's a Sig!" Officer: "WHAT EVER YOU DO, DO NOT DROP THAT WEAPON!!!"

This is a sample size of one. When my work switched to this firearm we had to go to the range. When we go to the range, it’s a large event. Hundreds of shooters with hundreds of Sig M18 pistols. The problems he is having does not reflect the weapons performance. After spending the day with it I purchased one for myself. I get that this video is for recreational shooters but please don’t take his experience as the norm for this pistol. Please go out and shoot one before you write it off.

I don’t understand why Sig is still using that grip module. The X-series of grip modules are so much more comfortable to shoot as well as getting your hand higher up for a lower bore axis.

It seems we're in an age where you don't need to spend a whole ton of money to get a pistol thats reliable and will perform when you need it to

My p320 out of box had 2 failures with in 200 rounds. We deducted that is was more a magazine issue. Spring was super tight... Still using that magazine and I am now at 4000 rounds no more failures...

Looks like SIG needs to up their game out if the box on quality. I appreciate you honesty. I agree with you.

Another GREAT review I'd have to pass on that one ....... And that's why they call you the HONEST OUTLAW..........Thank you sir.

On the multitude of M18s we have had come through and be used for LTC or just at the range, most had to be shot 500 times to wear that tight spring into form. Bc of the length of time and amount of rounds (demanded by military) the spring comes a bit tight (this is exacerbated by being a shorter spring, than m17, full size, or X5 full. They work well once broken in. We have only seen 1 other p320 that had its sights off like that (and were non adj..... sometimes people mess with those adj sights before shooting or the store does (on adj sight variations) to show how much they can be altered. That being said, this is a combat gun, meant to have combat aim (shows more on short sight radius. Combat aim is different from 3 gun, or target aim guns in that you hold just under on target aim set ups vs combat aim set ups , where covering the object with front sight is the philosophy. Great vids, love the content, keep them coming. You make our jobs easier, when people can come in with a certain amount of info.

M17 and M18 I own are just fine … No failures … reliable and will protect myself quite nicely 👍

For all the money I have spent because of these videos you finally save me some bucks. Way to keep it honest.

Generally, most quality issues are production issues. You can’t run a factory that makes a lot of defects and expect QA, or QC yo catch everything. You have to work on it from both ends. Make the processes produce statistically fewer defects, and make sure you have no weaknesses in your inspection methods. Just my opinion.

I have an m18. I bought it maybe two months ago. No failures and it shoots dead on. I am a 1911 man so I dont carry it but it's not bad

He seemed progressively more bummed as the video went on, sad day.

Just picked up my first stainless Taurus G3, thanks in part to your review Outlaw! Appreciate the content.

I have this with a romeo1 pro on it and a straight trigger, helps a ton. Magtech has been the only ammo I run through my 320s with no failures.

I'm 58 years old and have had A Boatload of handguns over the years. My only keepers are from Beretta, CZ, and HK.

I am surprised by the stove pipe you are experiencing ,my m18 has not malfunction at all and it is dead on ,the first 100 rounds right out of the box without even cleaning it first were all 100 head hits. I love this gun more so than my beloved glocks. I own both the M 17& 18

Please review the Beretta APX line. They are definitely within "budget range" now as they are easily found for under $350. I wish they had been chosen over the p320 having handled both I believe them to be the superior gun and (as reported) politics probably are what prevented their adoption as the M17&18

I remember when Sig pistols used to come with a target. Proving the accuracy of the gun you just purchased. You can clearly see why that doesn't happen anymore.

Just recently purchased my sig sauer P320 M18 and absolutely love that pistol. Stacks a 21 round mag out to 25 yards and 3.5 to 4 inch group out at 50 yards. I had no accuracy issues out of the box what so ever with this pistol, and had no functioning issue with 4 different manufacturers of ammo.

There were 3 malfunctions and sites off. Thats a lot for that price.

Not to sound like a fanboy but if he has difficulties with a gun, I'll just avoid the firearm at this time. He is one of the most accurate people ive found on KZfaq and if he can't hit the target, there is a problem with the gun.

Damn. I hoped for a flawless review. Thank you and your wife for taking the time to make a great informative and entertaining review.

I've owned it for a little over a month and fired over 1,000 rounds, not one misfire or failure to feed. Have fired 5-6 different types of ammo, mostly Federal and Seller & Belliot

M18 on the 18th! I see you

I've had my M18 since January, shot true out of the box. I've also put 1500 rounds of Federal 115 and some reloads through it without a hic-up, wonder if you got a lemon. I will agree the large sights are a bit annoying, but it's easy to get past. Thought it was weird your case only had 2 21rnd mags, mine came with both 21rnd mags and a 17rnd.

I never thought of my keeping my thumb above the safety on Taurus G2C. Disengaging it on the draw so you're ready to shoot immediately totally makes sense! Thxs for that tip!

The reviews on this page have served me right since I started following a short while ago. Thank you for this!

First time seeing any of your vids. Man you must be former SF or something with accuracy and capabilities like that! Very impressive

I bought a Canik TP9 SC the other day. And shot it today. I had 0 failures! And I ran five different types of ammo through it.

For a hot second I was worried that the wife forgot her pot and spoon. Thank you for always giving candid and honest reviews.

I still love my Sigs . I haven’t had any issues with any of them . They all run just as they should . I am gonna say this is just a 1 off kinda deal . As someone else stated maybe the stove pipe is a spring issue . I will still carry mine .

This is definitely a bummer. I have a full-sized standard P320 and it is perfect. I shoot it better than anything else I own. I won't lie, it made me jump wholeheartedly onto the Sig train but seeing this makes me rethink some things. I guess I am fortunate I got a good one. I hate that this happened to you, dude. But thanks for your authenticity. You are for sure the best there is here on KZfaq.

the Sig has made you a mere mortal my friend...lol

In all seriousness, your channel has really helped get me through this quarantine. I appreciate all your hard work and effort. I've also been meaning to ask you, what is your take on the sig MPX carbine? I really want a PCC and I love the look of the MPX but the fact that it's around $2,000 is hard to swallow.

And u just solidified my opinions of Sig..

Sig pistols are generally over-sprung like most other manufacturers because most owners wouldn't change recoil springs at normal intervals. The M17/M18 pistols were designed and built to shoot 124gr NATO spec ammo. This could be a possible reason for the failures and for the point of impact with the sight. Sig along with most manufacturers don't do an adequate enough job of letting the normal consumer know things like this which is to say the least inconsiderate of their customers.

The reason why this gun does better at closer range is probably due to the shorter barrel length. This was actually one of the primary reasons why the Navy SEALs switched to the Sig 226 (MK25) from the Beretta. This gun looks cool but sad to see that it jammed that many times in the video. Sad because I love my Sig P226 (MK25), and I really wanted to look into this gun. Glad I saw this review.

I just broke down... I bought one $535 with one 21 magazine. No one has them in stock, I was happy to find one.

SIG quality control has been absolute trash the past couple years. Way overpriced for the performance they give their customers.

Got my m18 yesterday. I love this gun.... Sig makes good guns big 👍 up to them

The Sig P320 was the first gun I ever shot. From a family that has never seen a gun, my friend took me to a range before he left to go home to England (shot P320, Glock 19 and Glock 26). I now am licensed, can conceal carry and own a S&W M&P 15-22 sport wanting a Ruger American Predator as a finishing my thesis reward from my stimulus check.

I bought a Bersa Thunder .22 ~10 years ago because it was a Walther PPK knock-off and similar to a Hungarian FEG .22 (?AP-22) I had. Its been a wonderful pistol! Maybe 400 rds and NO malfunctions with a mix of ammo. So I got a Bersa Thunder .380 and have maybe only 200 rds through it with 3 different brands of ammo and its hasn't had a malfunction yet. Kind of a budget-brand but I love them. Simple blow-back, accurate, reliable, affordable... I also own a bunch of .45's and 9mm's but that Bersa .380 is the one I'll take camping/back-packing because its light, accurate, and I trust it.

Everybody gives Sig such high praise. While they’re not junk, they seem to always have problems. P365 issues, P320 issues, M17 issues. They quit making most of their 1911’s, the area I think they shined the most.

I see Sig's quality control still sucks. For the money that gun cost it better work and work right. No thanks. I'll stick with my Ruger's. Good quality at a lesser price.

I had the same problem with my p320 compact out of the box. Consistently shot 6 inches low (10 yards) so I let friends shoot to see if it was me, but even they had issues. Went out and bought new sights #8 rear and #8 front (was advised to do so) but still have the problem. Literally going crazy at this point.

Never seen (or heard) you miss so much. I was getting frustrated just watching. I can't imagine how you felt.

The wife and I both bought sig m18s and we put about 100 rounds of peace through them and we have not had any problems

Your honesty is top notch!!!

Makes me bummed to hear that serious disappointment in his voice toward the end of the video, but that's why I watch: the HONEST Outlaw. Love the vids. Keep up the great work.

I’m a Sig Fan. I own 7 or so. Including a P320 Gen 1. I love it. About 800 rounds, No FAILURES. I was considering this gun coz I lucked into $1200 somehow. Maybe not now. Appreciate the honesty

I purchased an M18 this morning because I considered it a sign of fate that my shop actually had one in stock. Without getting political, they've been largely unavailable with everything going on in the world so I jumped on it. Keeping this video in mind, the first couple of magazines were rough. I did have two casings not eject properly and once my slide did not fully seat forward when I released it after reloading. After that though, it seemed to get better and better. Although I think we should expect to be able to drive nails at short range without failures straight out of the box, I don't think it's necessarily abnormal to have early issues. We practice and train with our firearms and as we tune our skills to a particular gun they also break in and get better. After 50 rounds, I was anxious about the money I had just spent. After 300, I was feeling better. After another 500, I'm hoping any and all concerns will be put to bed. I'll be waiting patiently for your 1000 round review.

Glad to see your videos you’re back!

I think you definitely got a lemon. Ive shot over 600 rounds through my M18. I've used UMC Remington, Blazer, fiocchi, and most recently Hst. And not one malfunction. Per the owners manual, I took it apart, cleaned and lubed with good ol hopped and I think it's a great firearm. The whole bore axis debate is a thing of preference.

Have the pellet version of the m17 for backyard plinking, and had plans on buying the real 9mm version but was told by everyone not too. Thank you for confirming that they were right. Bought a CZ shadow 2 and haven’t looked back. 🤙🏼

just saved me some money ill stick with my 19x...thank you

This is why I watch YOUR channel you tell the truth about guns not like some others who just do fluff pieces and help sell junk .

I got my m18 today. I am very happy with my purchase. I put on my romeo 1 and it makes it look even better. When I go to the rage ill give a update.

These will be replacing our M-9’s later this year. Fingers crossed

I don't have the m18 so I can't say anything much but I do have the m17 and I can say at 1000 rounds it's preformed like a champ through it all.

Good honest review. Saved me some money. Thank you!

Very revealing comments. Good review.

Thanks for review ...was just thinking of buying as my 1st but I will keep looking!

I put 800 rounds through my m18 no problem, I love mine!

My carry progression went from an old (excellent condition) Mauser HSC to a 3.5 inch 357 S&W tank to an excellent Sig 2022 in 9. I carried the snot out of that SIG. Just broke my striker fired cherry recently on the Berreta APX Centurion that I now appendix carry. Great pistol! I was excited to see this SIG until it became a jam o matic and had such poor sight issues. Hope it was just this sample. Thanks for the video!

Thanks for the honest review Honest Outlaw.

Sig should bring back the P250. Same gun as the P320 only hammer fired. It shares the same frame as the P320 as well. I'll never get rid of my P250 not sure I'll ever buy a P320. I do like that tan slide. Great video as always.

Had the same issues as you with mine. Four failures in 300 rounds and mine shoots low...

I shot my M18 yesterday and tossed probably about 200 rounds of CCI Blazer through it and it felt really good, All I did was clean the factory lube off and toss some Hoppes in there and I got no failures and decent accuracy

I’ll stick with my $349 m&p 2.0.

I’ve put about 2,000 rounds through mine without any of the issues you stated - not one failure.

Thanks for your honest review

The 19x was the far superior option for our military. Unfortunately, you can't help but expect government committees to make the incorrect choice. It's what they do best

I've put 500 rounds thru my M18, no jams but a half-dozen fail to return to full battery issues regardless of what weight ammo I was using. Didn't use the metal sights, bore sighted with a laser and went straight to a red-dot . Was so excited to get this weapon but it was just so meh to shoot. Live and learn.

I bought the m17 and m18. I haven't put a round through the M18. They both come pre lubricated. Sig recommends 124 to 147 grain 9mm ammo and requires a 500 to 1500 round break in period. I did that with my M17 using 115 grain 9mm and it had 2 malfunctions. The malfunctions stopped after 100 rounds and never had a malfunction using the recommended ammo 9mm 124 to 147 grain bullets. With the pre lubricant it is on so thick you need to get both models very hot and you will never have a malfunction again. Just my experience. Thanks for the video.

The malfunctions on the Sig shown here are a real disappointment. I expected better. As for the "aiming low", I believe the sights on the M18 are sighted using a "combat hold" as opposed to the center hold or six o'clock hold. This means that the white dot on the front sight is where the point of aim would be (as opposed to the top of the front sight in the center hold or above the front sight in the six o'clock hold.) Were you using the combat hold when shooting this firearm? Thanks for the great reviews, as always.

I live in California. I can only imagine being free and able to buy this.

I had the same problem with my p320 the failure to eject rounds properly. Sent it back to sig they told me to grip harder still did same thing. Sold it ASAP good riddance to bad rubbish.

Thank you so much for this review I’ve had the same problems with this gun out of box glad to know I’m not alone 💯🤘🏻

Ours are working great. It’s easier to train new Airmen to hit well with it (vs worn out M9s) and works fine for a sidearm. It’s not my favorite, but an ok tool to supplement the the M4.

Owned an early model p320 tacops. Shot low for me, couldn’t tell if it was me but I wasn’t having that issue with any other gun. Sold it, but was hoping by now they would have fixed it. Was on a waiting list for the M18, guess I’ll have to pass.

I've been surprised that more people haven't pointed out the incredibly obvious height over bore increase in this gun over most of its competitors.

Dude that's a helluva group.

My p365 wasn't cycling rounds properly from time to time. I switched the followers from plastic to metal on the mags. No more issues

HONEST OUTLAW: CALL SIG customer service. They will send you a shorter front sight to correct elevation. Also when you put the sight in you can adjust it a hair to the right which will move your group left. The mil-spec M18 is sighted and designed for 124 grain Nato ammo. Which is really a +P in American specs. Gun is new, try hotter ammo, or a different brand or weight until the gun breaks in. As I am sure you know, different guns like different ammo. Thanks for the great videos...

Anybody watching, I watched another review and this guy said in the first 100 rounds he had 3 malfunctions also, but after the “break in” period of about 200~ rounds, he’s since put over 1k through it with no issues.

This video is two years old but I must say I’ve shot the M17 recently and the sights weren’t so much of a hindrance for me. I did love the placement of the slide lock👌🏻. Providing that the m17 has a longer barrel than my g19 yet still had a more felt recoil baffles me.

I put about 250 rounds through mine so far, and I haven't had any issues with it. Putting another 100 rounds or so in it tomorrow(gotta get practice with the red dot)

Funny. I didn’t notice any of this with mine. 500 rounds of various ammo. FMJ and HP in various weights. Not one FTF or FTE. He mentioned muzzle flip. I actually commented to the RSO that I surprised at the LACK of muzzle flip from this firearm. Mine came with 1 17 and 2 21 round magazines. On the very first use the 17 round mag would not load the 17th round and it failed to lock the slide back. When I reloaded that magazine it took all 17 rounds easily and locked the slide back from then on. Odd thing to have a break in on, but whatever! I’m a 1911 guy so this is definitely a step in a different direction for me as a shooter. I like it though. Much better in my hand than a Glock or CZ. To each his own I guess.

Good to know, I WAS considering buying one. Thanks for the demo!

A couple of things. 1 the fronts site probably needs to be swapped out for a #8. It's a known issue. I don't know why SIG doesn't just ship them with the number 8 front site to begin with. 2. 9mm 124 gn ammunition will solve the stove pipe issue.

Beautiful, Beautiful gun

I will just keep my CZ-75 SP01 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My m17 has never failed, 8k rounds threw it

I have the Sig M17, M18 and the 320X compact with all being good out of the box so far. They all have over a thousand rounds at this point, no malfunctions yet. Now in the last few years, I’ve had some troubled Sigs, two different 229’s, a 226 and an MCX. I don’t trust their quality control that much anymore due to my experience. I do like my three 320s for the most part but I tend to shoot low with them as well, especially my 320X compact. Could be me but it seems, like here, others have the same issue. Overall though, I like the ergo’s and they have a decent trigger IMO.

The auto gen captions say "music" when the targets ring out LMAO

I own a M17B ( all black) and it came with 2 21 round magazines and one 17.