In a parallel universe this is another mad piano composition of liszt arranged by beethoven for full orchestra

I love Liszt's orchestra to piano transcriptions! His Wagner and Verdi ones are fantastic too!

You know, given how much this is changed compared to Liszt's score, I feel this should be called Beethoven-Liszt-Katsaris

Нет,друзья,что не говорите,но Симфония номер 5 это просто самое шедовральное произведение в Мире!!! Такая масса эмоций в одном произведении. Это диалог ,мощный спор и переубеждение одного человека другим. Логика и сила побеждает неадекватность ,скольжение, переобувание в воздухе,абстрактность , поверхностность,отвлеченность , романтизм и прочие несостоятельные доводы! И это так чутко выразить в музыке! Бетховен гений на все времена,поцелованный Богом!

They're transcriptions, not reductions. Those who say the pianist adds bits to the published liszt score don't seem to realise that he too would have embellished the score while paying. The 1860s published scores probably were considerably edited. Part of Liszt's aim seems to be to get these masterpieces to live audiences, not in some great nobleman's house but in a public hall. Many would probably not get to hear an orchestral performance of the symphony in a lifetime. He trained many pianists to high standards, but the score had to be playable by a large range of performers, hence the many ossias. Beethoven's attitude to 'accuracy' with a score was simply that the spirit of the music and the player's interpretation was paramount. He owned one of the first metronomes, for example, but is never known to have used it.

I’ll bet that if Beethoven had lived long enough and never lost his hearing-he would LOVE it.

Movement 2 is so pretty on the piano!

Utterly magnificent. It meant that many more places without access to orchestras could hear Beethoven's music. I wonder when Liszt ever did sleep - composing, performing, teaching, transcribing. Lots of Schubert's music who he regarded as the most lyrical of all composers.

I love these vidoes that feature the score and the music. Really helps you notice melodies and intricacies you'd otherwise overlook. Thank you so much!

hahaha the ending! I can definitely understand him not wanting to end it, I'm sure it was fun to write and play as well.

That is simply fantastic - thank for sharing.

Saw this performed live. There were points especially in the 1st and 4th movement where it seemed as though the roof was gonna fall.

My favorite Sheet Music is Symphony 5( Beethoven). Thank you Marcel Simader🤩

Litz es genial. Su admiración por Beethoven fue enorme. Cuando Litz tenía 11 años pudo conocerlo en vida y esa admiracion lo llevó a convertirse en su mas grande difusor y a llevar al piano sus sinfonías. Listz era un genio pero siempre admiró tambien al genio de Beethoven. El disfrute de esta adaptación es máxima. Absolutamente deliciosa. Saludos desde Colombia.

So interesting to have the hands crossing at the beginning of mvt. 2.

The part at around 15:59 is so good.😘👌

These Liszt arrangements of the Beethoven symhonies are amazing, and accomplish what I would have thought impossible, and each bar definitely reminds you of the orchestral version. And Cyprien Katsaris is a good pianist to have to play these, with his remarkable ability to differentiate simultaneous voices within a passage. But I notice quite a few places where what Cyprien Katsaris plays is different from what is written in the score. Did Liszt make more than one arrangement and could this account for the discrepancies? - or did Katsaris change it himself?

La interpretación de Marcel, espectacular.

the second movement is gold!

Fantastic Music 🎶🎹👏

Perfect music

Piano Redction されて簡素化されたスコアなのに、音を聴きながら譜面を眼で追いかけるだけでもう精一杯ですが、こういう音楽鑑賞の仕方も楽しいですね。素晴らしい編曲(と言っていいのかな？)を有り難うございます。

Super, bardzo mi się podobało !

Just had my first 2 hours on a piano and now my head explodes. :D

25:32 sound's like the 3rd movement of mozart's 7th piano sonata.

The first one is my FAVORITE!🫠🫠🫠 Edit: oh wow those low notes on 4:16😮😄

Katsaris has an ungodly technique, this piece sounds so damn good!

35:09 omg that is incredible lads

Exelente!!!

this is on my piano stand. I have three editions of the V for piano, plus another from the library, and Liszt sits under the fingers by far the best.

I really more enjoy the piano version than any orchestra version ! Far more possibility to put the contre chant in front !

unbelievably. Great transcription, superb Cyprien Katsaris. Especially the 4th movement. Thank you so much !

Super

"Let the performance begin!" -A conductor probably

15:11

1st movement is my favortie

Sad thing is that he suffered more because, as conductor he was facing all that brassware while the performers had their backs to it. He was aware of the effect on his tinnitus. During the siege of Vienna, he lay on the floor in a cellar with his head covered in cushions to try and preserve hearing. He went right off Napoleon after that date!

THIRD MOVEMENT IS GLORIOUS.

25.18 - blood tingling!

Again, it's not a 'reduction,' it's a 'transcription. ' A reduction is what you might take to a rehearsal, as for example, a score for a ballet rehearsal. A transcription aims to reproduce a much as possible of the original, complete with orchestrations etc. The published score is what a range of pianists can work on, what liszt and his favoured students actually played may have been far more like what we're getting here. An obvious intention was to effectively democratise classical music- the ordinary people might never hear a Beethoven symphony live- but with a cohort of highly trained pianists they could get much of the experience via a single performer. Obviously the published scores had to be available to pianists who hadn't been to the liszt academy, and to those with different physical strengths. Publishers in those days were reluctant to publish 'old' works, much less several different versions of the same work. There were also piano 'reductions' by the likes of Czerny and others.

crazy！

For all the takt op fans that came here to enjoy this masterpiece I respect you all.

One thing that I'm really noticing with this guy performing the symphonies is the things he adds to them that no one does. In here, for example, at 31:09, it sounds much more like what the orchestra's actually doing in the original than what I normally hear when other people perform Liszt's transcriptions. I'm wondering where that comes from. It's really quite remarkable, in a positive way.

Beethoven would have approved of this work...he loved Liszt as a child

17:36

4th movement is the best

36:41

loveeeeeeeeeee you can😇😀

please can i have a sheet music ?

Was Liszt a human or an alien? How a man single handedly do all these great works could be he never slept was he musicoholic? many questions to be answered

❤️

l should start practicing this

8:49 ni yat yip zau hai fung min ge bou fan (this page is the cover part)

4th movement sounds like Waltz of the Flowers

Хочешь осуществить мечту детства! Приходи и все сбудется♥️♥️♥️🥰♥️

What’s with the slow tempo in the final movement?

This looks more like some complex electrical circuit diagram...and I wasn't good at understanding them...Oh well! maybe I'll take up the triangle.

🎼💕37:15

I just discovered your videos, i don't understand, what do you mean with "reduction"?

I'll take the 4th over the 1st any day, but the 4th can't exist without the 1st

15:12 la folia

The Piano Reduction Score is much more easier to read cause all the orchestra parts are simplified down to just 2 staves

Wonderful piano sound, although I'm not a fan of these Beethoven symphony transcriptions..but I never realized that Katsaris was such this good..

Incredible - I think I prefer it to the original!

Just to play it,easy.You just practice the Piano 5year.But you wannna play it well,and understand the Suel, you need your life.

アルカンがペダルピアノでベートーヴェンの交響曲を編曲していたらその十分過ぎる功績功績でペダルピアノの存在をもっと知らしめていたであろう。

リストのオリジナルの楽譜通りにカツアリスは演奏していませんよ。

Interesting tempo…

15:10 ... heaven exists, indeed.

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WTF with the score 31:20 ?

Does anyone else think the first movement is played a bit too fast? And the tempos on the others seem off too. Sometimes painfully slow. Not sure why these choices. Is this related to the old debate on how the tempi were calibrated in the 19th C.? Although old Ludwig sure was brilliant, no?

0:34 those played notes are not written !

34:57 Two bars too many.

Great playing. Not too keen when the music sounds more Liszt like than Beethoven

I had to pause after the second movement because of the effect on my psyche. This transcription has shown me a perspective on this piece I simply could not have considered otherwise. I seemed to had entered into an otherworldly vista of spectacular subliminal colors. I experienced many “body auras” that I never had in all my many hearings of the orchestral original. Perhaps, Beethoven played this second movement a number of times himself and discovered this unique dimension beyond the sensual? This second movement was so philosophical sweet and tender in the quiet moments; almost to tears. This is so very unusual for me I feel it might be from a parallel universe? I know this description might seem somewhat bizarre but this is what I heard and felt. It was truly wonderful! PWG. P.S. As for the finale; it sounded like what goes on in nuclear fusion? I suppose?

Ideally 4th movement should be faster.

Piano "Reduction"

This recording by Katsaris is so good, specially the 3rd movement. Made me hate almost all the symphony recordings because now I think they play too fast.

2nd movement and 3rd movement is too slow

The piece is very nicely played, but I'm struck by how much less power it has than the original. And what was that awful racket produced when he played tremolos in the bass in the first movement. I know there were pianos of Mozart's era that had a Janissary pedal (used in his Rondp alla turca), but I don't know what would produce that sound on a modern grand.

Very interesting to listen to and follow with the score but unfortunately I couldn't get past the opening. As performed, the tempo of the opening motto theme (played twice) is completely different to what follows. It turns the core idea of the symphony into some sort of rhetorical device which is sort of effectively pianistically but which makes no sense musically. Sorry.

the scherzo is too slow(except the C major part)

25:10 25:18 You’ll thank me later. 😏

Why is the scherzo played so excruciatingly slow? Sounds like a minuet!

La pubblicità nel bel mezzo del secondo movimento è pura blasfemia. Non si potrebbero evitare certe bestemmie?

Super but I’m not ok with the tempi: 1st too fast 2nd too slow

Yo chill out with those tremolos smh

This transcription is a torture on the instrument.

That’s a lot notes and piano playing but very little music.

Das kann ich mir nicht anhören, grauenhafte Interpretation! Extrem zu schnell - Allegro heißt fröhlich, allegro con brio heißt allegro mit "Feuer" aber damit ist doch nicht das Tempo gemeint sondern der musikalische Ausdruck!!! - Bemerkenswert die spielerischen Fähigkeiten des Interpreten aber das musikalisch Empfinden bleibt leider im Hintergrund.

fake recording... thanks