Simagic Alpha U 23Nm Direct Drive wheelbase | First Impressions

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Laurence Dusoswa

Laurence Dusoswa

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The Simagic Alpha U is here and it's everything I had hoped for. I put it alongside the Alpha Mini (10Nm) and the Alpha (15Nm) to see if the Alpha U's 23Nm is worth it and whether it comes close to the Simucube SC2 Pro which is (was?) the pinnacle of force feedback. Remember that these are just my first impressions. As always, a full long term review will follow in a few weeks. For now, get ready for some SMILES!
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Start: 0:00
Intro: 0:27
Unboxing: 1:13
Alpha mini Alpha Alpha U Comparison: 6:06
Installation (Timelapse): 8:08
Driving: 9:23
Summary: 20:22
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@EpicFatLip
@EpicFatLip Жыл бұрын
That genuine excitement never lies!!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
hahaha I sometimes finish recording a video like that and think "Oh I hope I didn't say anything silly" when I get lost in a product like this
@simracerpabs
@simracerpabs Жыл бұрын
I've had the Alpha U for a while and totally agree with Laurence. The Alpha U is amazing. The way it delivers it's 23Nm is truly sublime. The wheelbase has everything the Alpha Mini and Alpha has, but with added communication and power. What Simagic have done (with all three servo wheelbases) is nothing short of outstanding🏅💯
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Yep it has been a serious effort and the work they're doing on firmware is also commendable
@simracerpabs
@simracerpabs Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa Most definately. The firmware can only get better and better
@fcukinwhat4714
@fcukinwhat4714 10 ай бұрын
Hey mate Does your alpha ultimate base get hot ? My one gets realy hot after couple of races on iRacing and I’m not sure if it is normal The base is amazing like you sad Thanks
@user-in4ij8iq4c
@user-in4ij8iq4c 8 ай бұрын
23nm is too much for me ..
@blueferrari397
@blueferrari397 Жыл бұрын
Love your reviews Laurence. So honest, informative and natural. Thanks for sharing!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Cheers
@TwoIrresponsibleGamers
@TwoIrresponsibleGamers Жыл бұрын
That legit excitement when you went out on track and got the sliders right, you can't fake that. Really shows how you are feeling about this wheelbase. It also looks so nice, visually. Clean, compact yet so powerful. This video almost makes me want to stop my abuse to Tony. Almost... 😂
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Bahahaha thanks man! This was a great fun video. I feel like this product is made with my fingerprints in its DNA. It's just very suited to me.
@BoostedSTIG
@BoostedSTIG Жыл бұрын
GET LOST PETER!
@TwoIrresponsibleGamers
@TwoIrresponsibleGamers Жыл бұрын
@@BoostedSTIG Love you too Tony!
@WildStyle
@WildStyle Жыл бұрын
Simagic lists Sustained torque, peak more than likely is higher. I recently got the Alpha myself, I am happy with what I got! Did consider the U, but didn't feel like something I need. I would say they have upgraded all of them. I got a pretty fresh alpha and it has the same kind of power plug and it does turn on when you rotate it. Which I found amusing, it will connect to windows if you keep spinning it. lol My GT1 wheel came with both of the paddle shifters having minus cut in them. Hahaha Joking aside, Simagic has really created something special here, I can't say I have a comparison. It's the simple things that get me. Simple quick release, that is based on a real release, why not? Wireless wheels, with all styles to choose from! Not to mention, you can mount it however you like.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
yep great comment
@NotTheMaestro
@NotTheMaestro Жыл бұрын
I just bought the Alpha after watching your video, I got it with the Formula wheel and I love it. The quality is incredible and the base feels as solid as a rock. The quick release is also very good and a lot more secure than the Fanatec one in my opinion. The LED also comes on when you turn the shaft.
@leemillican6784
@leemillican6784 Жыл бұрын
Love the Boosted Media, Barry Rowland reviews etc, but that's the reaction I like to see when someone is using a new bit of kit. Great stuff mate.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
haha thanks
@RedLP5000S
@RedLP5000S 3 ай бұрын
I can't wait for my Alpha to arrive. It is the one. Simagic is on top of their game and they punch way above their weight. Excellent review.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! The alpha is incredible
@user-fv6gt6wt4d
@user-fv6gt6wt4d Жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to your full review, been contemplating going from the mini to the u! You have been one of the go to review and gameplay channels since I started this hobby 😁
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your kind words ❤️ going from the mini to the U is awesome if you can afford it and you won’t regret it. But the mini is already very impressive.
@user-fv6gt6wt4d
@user-fv6gt6wt4d Жыл бұрын
I guess there's gonna be some people in my situation who'd like a bit more nm and are already in the ecosystem with 1 rim (which are pretty good imo). If the u has similar performance to the sc pro, while being priced like a sc sport, seems like a pretty good deal! I hope you get a chance to review the upcoming fx pro rim! Cheers
@DrR1pper
@DrR1pper 9 ай бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa firstly, thank you for the excellent reviews! If one were to not be using more torque than the Alpha can generate, is there any point in going to the Alpha U still? Might the trade-off favour the Alpha in that scenario due to (e.g.) lower rotor inertia, leading to greater responsiveness/reactivity for the same torque outputs due to the lower rotor mass? I'm really struggling to find an answer to this. I can afford either so it's not a cost issue but rather a performance one plaguing my decision. Any help and insight into my conundrum you can offer would be greatly appreciated! Many thanks in advance if you can and if not, well, thanks for the fab reviews all the same! :)
@david41567
@david41567 Жыл бұрын
Expecting my Alpha U to come in the mail any day! Your video helped me pull the trigger. After a few months of using it, would you mind sharing what FFB settings you using today? I usually run ACC but any starting point would be helpful!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
The defaults aren’t terrible. hop into my discord and I can share settings
@Pozer714
@Pozer714 Жыл бұрын
I want one! Looking forward to the small mini maybe down the road. Very nice.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
It’s a great range ❤️
@ryanzavitz1
@ryanzavitz1 Жыл бұрын
You sold me on it. I just ordered one today. Cheers mate
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
My aim is simply to share my experience :) it’s an incredible product
@nephroghost1912
@nephroghost1912 Жыл бұрын
Great review! I have the SC2 Pro which I love and likely will never need to upgrade in the future. So says a sim racer with upgraditis 😀
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Hahaha yeah there’s no reason to change from a pro. Enjoy it and get the mileage out of it :)
@iancharleycharles1486
@iancharleycharles1486 8 ай бұрын
Curious to know your opinion - if you ran an alpha at 11.5nm and an alpha ultimate at 11.5, would they feel similar at that level, or would the ultimate feel more detailed? That would be about 75% on the alpha and 50% on the ultimate. Thinking of upgrading but not sure the marginal benefit is worth it. Your videos are wonderful man, very informative.
@chadharris6625
@chadharris6625 Жыл бұрын
Just purchased this Friday and can't wait until it arrives! Im sure the difference is substantial from my mini! Just hope my 80/20 rig can. Handel the power. Great review as always 👏 thanks for everything you do!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Did it arrive yet?!
@chadharris6625
@chadharris6625 Жыл бұрын
@Laurence Dusoswa yes sir! Your review was spot on! I've never used the simucube 2 pro before but I don't see it being much better! It took me about 10 mins to get ACC too my liking, and man it made that game come to life! I set it to around 12 nm and couldn't believe all the details I was missing! Appreciate the comment 🙏.
@vrj0
@vrj0 2 ай бұрын
Nice man! So the Ultimate is not only stronger than the mini but also more detailed or faster you would say?
@CHAPI929292
@CHAPI929292 Жыл бұрын
Finally a review on the alpha U! Got one of these coming my way soon, I was looking for the alpha 15nM but since that was out of stock I just pulled the trigger on the U Edit: it just arrived and the box is beat up and there's a big hit on the base that took off a chunk of the metal... They definitively need to improve packaging. Too little padding for something weighting over 15kg
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
wow interesting! So it's similar to what I have in this video?
@CHAPI929292
@CHAPI929292 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa Sadly it's worst, in your case the box seemed to be bottomed out and in the video I can't see yours scratched or marked. On mine it's like something fell in top of it or the box fell into something spiky since there's a puncture through the boxes and foam into the base with a big mark on the metal Hopefully I can get a replacement soon :/
@TUGRA14
@TUGRA14 Жыл бұрын
@@CHAPI929292 HI Chapi, I am about to order the Alpha U soon, can I kindly ask for an update on your case? Will they replace it? I wonder how their customer support is.
@CHAPI929292
@CHAPI929292 Жыл бұрын
@@TUGRA14 Hi mate Initially they refused to replace it or give me a refund. They insisted it was UPS fault so I should make a claim with them and get a refund from UPS After a couple of days of struggle they finally agreed to give me a refund or replacement. I opted for the replacement and they sent me a new base, this time with proper packaging. Funny enough UPS managed to beat up the package again but this time the damages didn't reach the unit so it arrived in good shape I can't say support was the best but in the end they at least helped me solve the issue so I guess that's what matters
@philrob4468
@philrob4468 Жыл бұрын
@@CHAPI929292 for them to tell u to go after ups is ridiculous... they choose the shipper.. send me a new base and they can deal with it.... them just trying to pass the buck along is unacceptable for a business. I'm glad it hot covered for ya... as I'm sitting here thinking between simucube and simagic, this made my decision easy. I think I will go simucube.. How are you enjoying it so far? What did ya come from
@chadharris6625
@chadharris6625 Жыл бұрын
Probably will upgrade to this and sell my mini, if my rig can handle the torque. Great review as usual 👏
@yubos98
@yubos98 Жыл бұрын
Wow, does it really only cost around $1400? I honestly thought it would be much higher, and I see it on sale for $1200 at some retailers. That's crazy good value for what this is! I ordered my Moza R9 just last week but looking at this...I have a feeling in another year or so I'll make another jump to Alpha U or SC2 Pro. Thanks for the video, Laurence!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
It depends on the reseller but yeah, the prices aren't too bad. that said, it's close to the SC2 pro pricing which might inspire some people to just be the safe bet
@amarokdcs1062
@amarokdcs1062 Жыл бұрын
I was looking into the R9 and GS Wheel, could get them for around £850, but the simmagic Alpha Mini and the GTC Wheel came out to around £900, much better deal, ordered it last week
@chadharris6625
@chadharris6625 Жыл бұрын
@Laurence Dusoswa just got mine for 989 from simotion! So way better proposition
@amarokdcs1062
@amarokdcs1062 Жыл бұрын
@@chadharris6625 I’d love to buy from simotion for the price but they do not ship to the UK sadly
@chadharris6625
@chadharris6625 Жыл бұрын
@amarokdcs yeah that stinks. They didn't even charge me Tax or shipping. Not sure how much the simucube is there? But I would still choose simagic all day!
@SimRacing604
@SimRacing604 Жыл бұрын
Wow! As good as the SC2 Pro? That’s awesome to hear. Thanks for another awesome review, Laurence!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
The full review is coming in a few weeks. For now, it's looking REALLY positive
@styxxtheanimal5720
@styxxtheanimal5720 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa Cant wait to see the review. Even more so, cant wait to get my Alpha U :)
@goose1925
@goose1925 Жыл бұрын
the notch feeling through the center of the wheels rotation can be caused by content managers "FFB Post processing" after I turned that setting off the notch was completely gone (I am using the alpha mini so it might be different)
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
I've not played around with that
@gulfcoaster210
@gulfcoaster210 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love my alpha u. Switched from the dd1 to alpha u recently and couldn’t be happier. The alpha u is better in pretty much every way. Much better build quality, qr is in a different universe from the shit qr1 and the ffb is much much smoother and more detailed
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Nice one! Yeah it’s a hell of a piece of hardware
@victormuller4462
@victormuller4462 Жыл бұрын
Great video! How would you compare the Alpha 15nm with Cammus, such as details and torque?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
The alpha is superior in feel and form factor. The torque on the alpha also feels superior.
@OculusDrift
@OculusDrift Жыл бұрын
Now I'm interested to see you compare the Alpha U with the R21. Any chance of that happening? 👀
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
I have no idea :) If you message Moza to ask them, it's more effective than me asking them I think :)
@nishikant7859
@nishikant7859 Жыл бұрын
Hay Laurence! I have a question for you. If I had to pick one, which one should I go for? The Alpha or the Alpha U? I'm upgrading from Moza R9
@styxxtheanimal5720
@styxxtheanimal5720 Жыл бұрын
Yet another great vid. If i may ask, is there actually more detail in the Alpha u , than in the Alpha. Or is it just a NM increase ?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
You get more power/range in the details so yes, there’s more detail.
@styxxtheanimal5720
@styxxtheanimal5720 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa Then you have just convinced me to upgrade from my Alpha :) thanks heaps for an awesome vid and channel Laurence 😄😄😄
@vrj0
@vrj0 2 ай бұрын
@@styxxtheanimal5720what do you say about it, can you feel an improvement in details rather than only power? Thank you!
@elmalloc
@elmalloc Жыл бұрын
i have simucube 2 pro but i need a few for smaller setups in the home, thought sim magic alpha mini would work.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Yep the mini is really good. You’ll be surprised
@labpong7562
@labpong7562 Жыл бұрын
Laurence.....hope you will do follow up review of this base sometime soon. There is no long term use info out there of the Ultimate or Alpha.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
My alpha review is a long term review. I had it for 8 months before releasing that review. But I will also be doing a long term alpha U review
@labpong7562
@labpong7562 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa noted.....lol Just waiting to hear more in depth views as I have been on the fence about getting this model. Thanks for your vids!
@vrj0
@vrj0 2 ай бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswais the longieren review of the ultimate out already? :)
@wirklich_niemand
@wirklich_niemand Жыл бұрын
nice video! does it have a game detection like simhub? like if you switch a game it will launch automatically an assigned profile?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Yep! it does! I still need to get used to it but it's there and seems to work
@knyte6426
@knyte6426 Жыл бұрын
I've only had my Alpha Mini for little over a month, and I love it to death, but I'm already eyeballing this beautiful monster. What is wrong with me?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
The mini is amazing. It's kinda like choosing an engine for a BMW 5 series. It doesn't have as big an impact on the car for some people but for others, it's the reason they bought the car :)
@F1DrivingZombie
@F1DrivingZombie Жыл бұрын
Just ordered an Alpha U last week, excited to get it and I’m moving from a VRS DFP. I’m interested to see how the FFB fidelity is compared to that as the main reason I bought the Alpha U was the wireless compatibility.
@betofernandez5524
@betofernandez5524 Жыл бұрын
And how It compares to VRS?
@alecmillea4539
@alecmillea4539 Жыл бұрын
Please let us know how it compares!
@michalmikus2103
@michalmikus2103 Жыл бұрын
My problem with VRS the same cables..i want wireless..so give us your feedback what is better?
@henrik1743
@henrik1743 Жыл бұрын
Dude I am in the choice now what did you think???
@TheTimMiranda
@TheTimMiranda 10 ай бұрын
Any update! @f1drivingslime i want to know how the U is better or if you miss VRS
@nathanstretch
@nathanstretch Жыл бұрын
If someone isn't running the FFB at 100%, is there still a benefit to the more powerful base? IE if you never go beyond 50% because you just don't want too fight the wheel that much, do you still get a benefit with the U over the Alpha in terms of quicker response or anything?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
You get rapid response and lots of granularity in the ffb. The power is not as important as the dynamic range of a wheelbase and generally a more powerful base can transmit more details
@horsefly1020
@horsefly1020 Жыл бұрын
I have the alpha for a few weeks now. but haven't changed any settings yet. Some cars in IRacing seems a little weak. I guess I will have to change some settings.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Change those settings :) it's worth it
@horsefly1020
@horsefly1020 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa I just did it's amazing what I missing out on.
@levinste2750
@levinste2750 7 ай бұрын
I'm using the Alpha Mini wheelbase with FX Pro wheel Thinking about upgrading to Alpha or Ultimate I'm a bit confused. 10 Nm vs 15 vs 23 Nm I'm okay with 10 Nm. What is actually the difference between the Mini and the Ultimate, except for the Nm?? For example, if Ultimate is set at 10 Nm and Mini as well, 10 Nm, do they feel the same? Has the Ultimate more " power " vibrations, etc, vs the Mini, when both are set at 10 Nm? What about the noise / heat ?! Does the big brother, Ultimate, generate more noise/ heat, vs Alpha Mini? Any advices are welcome, thank you in advance
@rickylah69
@rickylah69 Жыл бұрын
With alpha mini, suspension high, smooth level low, we can hear some sound in the base. Smooth level has to set low to feel all the details. Do the alpha U make noise with smooth level low and suspension high?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
I don’t pay too much attention to base noise because I have headphones on, but yes, suspension can introduce massive coil whine.
@akpanjennings
@akpanjennings Жыл бұрын
Honestly contemplating selling my whole Fanatec setup to get this base. I already have HE sprints on order to compliment this base
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Many have taken that route and never looked back
@fireonmytarget8937
@fireonmytarget8937 Жыл бұрын
I've commented on a bunch of your vids, sorry for the spam lol. Going from G923 to Simagic Alpha U and CSL elite V2 pedals - I am pretty much set forever right? I have a works bell QR hub on my Miata - that should snap right onto this base if I am not mistaken...
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Yes. That is like going from a Ford focus to a Tesla model S :) enjoy!
@scottpolston6137
@scottpolston6137 9 ай бұрын
Man im interested in these my local microcenter has them in stock the Alpha and alpha mini but i got a full moza setup so if i upgrade itll be a R12 most likely and crp pedals how does simmagic compare to Moza
@donbixote
@donbixote Жыл бұрын
Does the Simagic Ultimate make as much chattering noise as the Simucube 2 Pro? I have the SC2 Pro and will happily change it out for this if it is silent. That plus the built in wireless connectivity and power is a huge plus over an antenna and battery.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Do you hear the chattering while driving? Or are you trying to keep the noise down for others? The alpha u has its own little noises but I haven’t compared the noise side by side
@donbixote
@donbixote Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa it’s mainly when hitting rumble strips does it make the noises I’m talking about. Lowering the slew rate limit to its minimum removes the noise entirely, but also makes the base fat less responsive. It also happens a lot on bumpy courses like Sebring.
@909elle
@909elle Жыл бұрын
Hi Laurence ,thanx for the revue I just wanted to hear a little more about the alpha U I understand that you liked it but a little more details about the unit will go a long way Now that you had it for a couple of months .thanx
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
It’s incredible. There’s a software issue which they might have fixed now where the gt1 and gt4 wheel rims were losing connection to the base. They say they have fixed it but I haven’t had a chance to test. Assuming that’s fixed, the alpha I is the best wheelbase on the market for me. I prefer it to the SC2 pro even though the sc2 pro does have more power.
@909elle
@909elle Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanx for the quick response ,you mean the ALPHA U ?
@TugboatTony
@TugboatTony Жыл бұрын
Damn it... When you start smiling like that and I have been looking at an item, my wallet gently cries cause it knows it will hurt soon...
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
bahahahaha sorry not sorry
@styxxtheanimal5720
@styxxtheanimal5720 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@thomaswyatt199
@thomaswyatt199 Жыл бұрын
I feel that the new sim pro manager is holding back the wheel bases full power it is in beta still. I have the alpha and the ffb no where near as strong as it was before with alpha manager.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Yeah my expectation of the power was higher, to be honest
@AdamMickMannis
@AdamMickMannis Жыл бұрын
Does it work with any wheel with QR hub like the Moza R21?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Simagic products only. Simagic rims and Simmedal
@jcsquared1111
@jcsquared1111 Жыл бұрын
I currently own a DD1, formula V3 wheel, and the Porche rim with podium shifters. I upgraded my brakes to Simtrecs, and now thinking long and hard of ditching the dd1, Anyone have any thoughts on this Alpha u as it looks amazing, and that FX pro wheel with screen looks incredible. If people say its as good to dd1 I can sell both wheels and the dd1 and its almost a wash? should i do it ?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
People say that the simagic alpha u is a good upgrade from the DD1 but I cannot make a call on that as I haven't reviewed the DD1. It sounds like a good deal to me if you break even for sure
@jcsquared1111
@jcsquared1111 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa awsome!! Think that might be the peefect blend of quality with enough power and pricing to make the jump worth while. As The skm magic is 1700 out the door, and simucube would be well over 2k plus additional funds for qrx system.
@taxi615
@taxi615 Жыл бұрын
Is it worth spending the money on the Alpha compared to the csl dd 8nm? I know this is the Alpha U, but I have no need for 25nm 15, which seems more than enough. Hope you see this as I'm looking to upgrade in the next week
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
From my experience, yes, 100% worth the upgrade
@taxi615
@taxi615 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa thanks
@oppgoblin1358
@oppgoblin1358 Жыл бұрын
Will you be releasing a long term review on this unit ?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
yes 100%. The main delay has been the software. It hasn't been updated properly and is still in beta
@TugboatTony
@TugboatTony Жыл бұрын
Darn you LD... Just ordered my Alpha and my wallet is crying. Think I burned up my Alpha Mini and had to get a new PCB board to fix it from running it to hard and hot. Just rewatched to get ready for next week. Will I be able to run the same settings as my Mini and just turn up the total power?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
baahahahaha. Yep settings are similar
@Leynad778
@Leynad778 Жыл бұрын
If you haven't used the SC2 Pro with the current July firmware, you can't compare it anymore. I bought a VRS DFP in March because I had some trouble with the SC2 Pro and wanted to send it to RMA (a 2nd time). Those issues with FFB-drops vanished after the April firmware update, but while testing the VRS I preferred it's FFB over the SC2 Pro and twitched back to the SC2 three times to be sure that it's not just imagination. I especially was missing some road-texture in the center I get with the VRS and even was a few tenths faster with the VRS in AMS2. I also got too harsh jolts over bumps which was especially annoying in rF2 and with the VRS I was even SECONDS faster for delivering what I need instead of crazy stuff. In July I thought it's time to sell the SC2 Pro since it's warranty was running out. The July update was out and just wanted to install it, try for an hour or so to be sure that it's not doing strange things again. It's on my rig since a month now while the VRS is collecting dust now. For rF2 alone I probably would prefer the VRS still but the SC2 Pro is now decent as well and no more missing road texture, also much better in Raceroom. ACC and iRacing I didn't play enough to make an opinion and the tyre-model in AC seems quite out-dated anyway to feel enough nuances, at least with the Kunos content I've tried.
@samueldowney2806
@samueldowney2806 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up on the new true drive update! I hadn't noticed. DLing now.
@OculusDrift
@OculusDrift Жыл бұрын
@@samueldowney2806 How is it?
@maxdigiacomo7641
@maxdigiacomo7641 Жыл бұрын
The VRS DFP is so close in feel to the SC2 Pro that most will never feel the difference on track, but the difference in price is quite substantial. The VRS DFP is very hard to beat.
@Leynad778
@Leynad778 Жыл бұрын
@@maxdigiacomo7641 The difference in price could be worth getting the SC2, since you need to buy a QR wheel- and baseside for the VRS and apart from cheap Ebay-stuff the options are costly, especially if you want to connect more than one wheel. The SC2-QR is the cheapest option for just wheel-side QR and a full kit is at least 165€ plus extension. I bought the SRC QR plus extension and it's over 100€ per wheel, but can't be called a 'quick' release and reminds me of Fanatec-QRs (just without the play). The hub VRS sells is crap with high risk of slipping, but no alternatives in Europe either other than the SCR QR. And the SC2 Pro is clearly more powerful and comes with build in wireless. The SC2 Sport is more comparable with the VRS including spacer and (nowadays only) base-side QR, wireless and overall the more polished product. In order to attach the QR to the VRS I had to rasp off a little off the torque-pin that needs to fit to the shaft, so it feels a bit DIY and not really thought through from the connectivity.
@maxdigiacomo7641
@maxdigiacomo7641 Жыл бұрын
@@Leynad778 Yes the SC2 Pro is a more polished product and has more power, but most will never use the extra power. If your in to wireless wheels and switching out your wheels often, then yes i would go SC2. You could get the VRS DFP and good wheel with the SRC QR for about the same price as the SC2 PRO. Dont get me wrong the SC@ PRO is a great system. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7SfZ6yJ2JuopGg.html
@Max__apex
@Max__apex 6 ай бұрын
In ACC Is the ultimate at 60% in game equal to the Mini at maximum ?? I tested the ultimate today at 35% and feel like the CSL 8nm. And it works out as 8nm from 23nm at 35% So by that logic the ultimate at 60% should feel like Mini at 13nm, which was very strong for me Can you shed some light for me as I want to decided ??
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa 5 ай бұрын
Buy the one you can afford. If 8Nm is enough, just enjoy it :) the big thing you get with more power is more dynamic range. So that means that the details are clearer even when not using maximum power. Think of hitting a small stone on a race track at 100kph. It gives a big bang that barely moves your steering wheel. But you feel it. It’s kinda like that.
@terencedunn
@terencedunn Жыл бұрын
Damn LD, that looks great. A little to rich for my wallet now. Another great first impression vid.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
thanks man
@terencedunn
@terencedunn Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa any word on the cost? And those other wheels you flashed up look sweet too. Its always nice to see you grinning like a schoolboy who is up to no good when you are looking at a product.
@Vchan21
@Vchan21 Жыл бұрын
Does the kill switchs kills all the power so i can use it like a power on/off or just the USB communication?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Nope :( just kills the usb comms…
@Vchan21
@Vchan21 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks!
@argmarius
@argmarius Жыл бұрын
Thinking to go between this and VRS, i wonder if there is someone who used both of them
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
I haven't reviewed the VRS yet unfortunately
@argmarius
@argmarius Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa I went nuts and ordered SC2 Pro
@cescu8832
@cescu8832 Жыл бұрын
hello, when I use smooth level low the engine is very noisy, does it happen to you too? Thanks a lot for the answer!😊
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
depends on the sim. which are you using?
@cescu8832
@cescu8832 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa I use alpha U with fx wheel...this happens especially with acc and ac. Thank you very much for your answer, you are very kind!
@blackmac1970
@blackmac1970 Жыл бұрын
I can't tell from that whether you liked it or not 🤣 I'll just wait for the b roll.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
bahahahaha
@chadharris6625
@chadharris6625 Жыл бұрын
I just ordered this base and hope my rig can handle it lol. Stupid question probably, but do you get this stuff for free? And if so how do you go about a career like this?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
I get this stuff without paying money for it yes. The only way to get started is by reviewing the hardware you have and using that as a portfolio when approaching companies about doing reviews. Try to focus on hardware that you’re likely to buy. In the beginning you’ll be lucky to get stuff at cost price or even half price. Eventually when you prove your worth, you can set expectations like I have clearly outlined on my website at www.laurencedusoswa.com/about/ But be under no illusions. This is only a career for a select few. It makes me some pocket money but I’d need to be doing at least 10x what I’m currently doing just to make minimum wage. I have a day job. Hope that answers your question.
@chadharris6625
@chadharris6625 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed reply 👍. Have a merry Christmas man!
@mehere2633
@mehere2633 6 ай бұрын
Did anyone else see the LED flash on the wheelbase when Laurence snaps the QR on? 5:18 Edit: If I'd watched for 5 more seconds I'd have seen it light up when turning it.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa 6 ай бұрын
Yep. When you turn the shaft it acts kinda like a power generator. So much so that if you disconnect the power, but connect the usb, and turn the steering wheel lots, the PC will recognise the base as bein connected. Once you stop spinning the steering wheel, it will ‘power off’ and disconnect again.
@FordEntertainmentGroupFEG
@FordEntertainmentGroupFEG Жыл бұрын
The weight of that, it’s just savage. That’s what she said.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@bruvitskb7798
@bruvitskb7798 Жыл бұрын
The interpolation basically takes away the grain in the wheel I have found smooth level 1 and interpolation 9 is where it’s at
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Yeah some settings can cancel others out or make them less effective for sure.
@bruvitskb7798
@bruvitskb7798 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa yep in my opinion try smoothness 1 and interpolation 9 it feels way better
@JohnnyEMatos
@JohnnyEMatos Жыл бұрын
Simagic is amazing
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
They have their strengths and weaknesses for sure :)
@JohnnyEMatos
@JohnnyEMatos Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa like everything, I suppose, but in comparison with my experience with Fanatec, it is a night and day difference, from equipment to customer support
@chrisredfield8569
@chrisredfield8569 Жыл бұрын
Do you think it’s a good upgrade from Fanatec DD2 ?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
I cannot answer that question as I haven’t reviewed the DD2
@chrisredfield8569
@chrisredfield8569 Жыл бұрын
I see . thank you ! 😊
@gabox01
@gabox01 9 ай бұрын
I chose the alpha because it is still visually appealing and has enough torque. The ultimate is just too long and heavy.
@phelanpritchardgaming6194
@phelanpritchardgaming6194 Жыл бұрын
Looks awesome 👌🏻 simagic are doing great things. If I was buying now that would definitely be what I go for💯 Fanatec was my only option 3 years ago. This review makes me glad I went with the DD2 for the 25nm and all the fidelity. I had been thinking it's overkill but not anymore 😬
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
yep, more power definitely increases that dynamic range as long as the motor can react quickly enough. It's a great time to be a sim racer
@jinx20001
@jinx20001 Жыл бұрын
lets be honest, when it comes to direct drives it usually comes down to the software, most are now smooth enough and responsive enough in the hardware that the technicalities dont matter. strictly speaking it still looks like the simucube 2 is using technically superior hardware just looking at it on paper but its nothing the average human will be able to differentiate, like the simucube offering 22bit angle sensor compared with an 18bit sensor on the simagic... in my mind i think i would want the one that seems to be no expense spared on paper but the reality is its the robots in factories that need that precision. What is more important for us is the software and i still think the true drive software offers more for a user to dig their teeth into, i really like the static force reduction filter, i think its one setting in the software every other manufacturer should make a goal to have, it literally allows you to bring the detail forward while not breaking wrists in corners. For that reason id take simucube every time (plus im bias because i have one). when it comes to fanatec theres the crucial difference in hardware, where fanatec just does not have very smooth motors, the current quick release is terrible etc etc so for as good as the software is and it is great i just dont see the benefit when it cant overcome the natural issues the motors have (not used csl dd only dd1/2 myself). For that reason id probably choose simagic every time over fanatec knowing the motors are butter smooth.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
The SC2 is amazing. I don't let spec sheets make the decisions for me though. And just because software doesn't have certain sliders doesn't mean it doesn't have certain features. Sometimes it's just not adjustable. Honestly, I doubt anyone would tell these apart in a blind back to back test. It's a great time to be in the market for these products. thanks for your detailed comment
@JohnnyEMatos
@JohnnyEMatos Жыл бұрын
I love that Simagic lets you adjust the wheelspeed which can be a game changer depending on the sim
@jinx20001
@jinx20001 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyEMatos wheel speed would be the same as the slew rate adjustment which is a setting on the simucube, the slew rate being the motor response speed. Unless wheel speed means something else within the simagic software, i dont see what else it could mean, being able to control the return to centre speed maybe? but that makes no sense as that would be just the centre return spring setting available on most bases. i would think its the motor response setting which as i say simucube has aswell... fanatec does not.
@JohnnyEMatos
@JohnnyEMatos Жыл бұрын
@@jinx20001 yeah, I said it because I come from having Fanatec bases which don't have that
@jinx20001
@jinx20001 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa well you dont need to let the spec sheet decide for you since you have them all sent to you to try for free, but as a customer spending money i would think the spec sheet is a good starting point, i certainly give it more than a glance. The static force reduction filter would not be a setting simagic has and uses that you just cant adjust as that does not make much sense considering what the filter is designed to do. I mean its an easy test i would imagine, if you turn up the gain on the wheelbase does that directly effect the weight of the wheel when turning? im sure it does ofcourse like most wheelbases; the static force reduction filter would allow you to turn up the gain and then set a percentage you want that gain reduced for static forces, that would be what we feel when cornering as its a static force or holding force. If simagic does have that feature and you just dont have control over it then how would they know what the user wants it to feel like, some users would want no reduction in force when cornering, some would like a little bit less, a lot less etc. i find it to be an amazing feature that im frankly shocked no other manufacturer has straight up copied, I have no doubt its possible i just dont think its on their radar, it does not get the credit it deserves but its a feature i really think makes simucube stand out, i can happily run the gain at 20nm on the simucube with 20-25 percent reduction in static forces so i get loads of information through the wheel and less of the oh shit that's heavy thoughts in the corners :) and your welcome, i like to discuss it, our hobby is as much the hardware as the racing so its fun to go back and forth about it.
@scottpolston6137
@scottpolston6137 9 ай бұрын
Oh wait the Moza R21 is $999 that will be the route i go for sure 21nm will be more than enough but the option to have that much will be there i just upgraded to a Moza setup a month ago so ill have to wait
@psaunier10
@psaunier10 Жыл бұрын
Can a Moza wheel fit on a sim magic base?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
It will connect but the buttons won’t work
@psaunier10
@psaunier10 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa Thanks for the feedabck! After a little research, Moza has a new Formula style wheel (FSR) that has the ability to be a direct connection to PC via a USB connection, claiming the ability to be used with other wheel bases. I feel the FSR wheel would be a dream combo with a Simucube 2 pro or Simagic alpha. But I understand that Moza has made some very good progress with updates that the R16/21 wheels bases are very competitive FFB wise, physical design is still lacking imo. Thanks again and hope you have a great day!
@jasoncarlson4285
@jasoncarlson4285 6 ай бұрын
Good video.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hope it helps the decision making
@jasoncarlson4285
@jasoncarlson4285 6 ай бұрын
Yes it did the smile on your face made me buy it thank you Ser, its a lot different to my csl elite wheel rig. Wow!.@@LaurenceDusoswa
@ArturGordinho
@ArturGordinho Жыл бұрын
The box came from the war ???? Hooo yeeess ho yes hoooo yeeees 😂😂😂😂
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
bahahahah yeah the box was a little... complex...
@nmelol
@nmelol Жыл бұрын
Simagic reports holding torque, not peak torque while many other companies do opposite.
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s still a little unclear what way they report stuff but they do tend to have more power than competitors.
@frankd.b.9233
@frankd.b.9233 Жыл бұрын
Woow you got all 3 sweet, 1 need just 1 lol;
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
I know. I'm pinching myself
@AdhamHossam165
@AdhamHossam165 Жыл бұрын
Yooooo!!!!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
sup legendface?
@AdhamHossam165
@AdhamHossam165 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa suuup! Im good.
@GregoryShtevensh
@GregoryShtevensh Ай бұрын
I want
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Ай бұрын
DO IT! (If you can afford it)
@ezpz4659
@ezpz4659 Жыл бұрын
I love my Alpha Mini. Im actually set on 100% ffb, 0 smooth, all mechanical settings at 0, and the game effects at 100 (except sometimes i remove all spring effects) 0 Wheelspeed, 0 Suspension, 0 Interpolation. It works so well I love it to deathh.
@ns_racing
@ns_racing Жыл бұрын
I have the mini as well and suggest turning wheel speed up to at least 60. That is what determines how much FFB the base will pick up from the game. And interpolation boosts the FFB signals from the game. I use interpolation at 5 or 6 game dependent
@jinx20001
@jinx20001 Жыл бұрын
@@ns_racing that's not how interpolation works mate, at least its not with any other wheelbase like fanatec or simucube, interpolation is primarily to smooth out the FFB signal so to make a rough incoming signal essentially smooth and more analogue feeling, it wont boost the signal, if anything it dampens the feedback which otherwise would be very raw feeling. so turning the interpolation filter down or off will increase the detail essentially, at the cost of being more grainy. Interpolation works best on games like iracing where the incoming signal is a harsher 60hz, interpolation will act as a... i guess you could call it an upscaler, smoothing out the harsh signal. if this is not how it behaves on a simagic (i dont know i dont have one) then i would say its not really working as intended.
@ns_racing
@ns_racing Жыл бұрын
@@jinx20001 um yea simagic is totally different. It has smooth level for smoothing the FFB signal and interpolation to boost low frequency signals and to multiply the incoming signal.
@OculusDrift
@OculusDrift Жыл бұрын
@@ns_racing no, interpolation does not boost low frequency signals.
@ezpz4659
@ezpz4659 Жыл бұрын
@@ns_racing Automobilista 2 with NuScorpii v2.5 settings is a whole different beast
@user-cg3in1jc8g
@user-cg3in1jc8g Жыл бұрын
alpha or alpha u ?
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
But the one you can afford. You won’t be disappointed
@DrR1pper
@DrR1pper 9 ай бұрын
@@LaurenceDusoswa if price is no issue though, is there ever a reason to choose the Alpha over Alpha U? E.g. if running the Alpha U at no higher than the peak torque of the Alpha....any trade-offs in favour of the Alpha then?
@tktk6927
@tktk6927 Жыл бұрын
BEAMNG Maxffb challenge plz
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Bahahaha imagine!
@sethdale4721
@sethdale4721 5 ай бұрын
I totally thought it said trak racer too
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa 5 ай бұрын
which part?
@moyzie5495
@moyzie5495 Жыл бұрын
that plug is a Australian plug lol
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
yep
@Smartie40.
@Smartie40. Жыл бұрын
So you did not like it much then 🤣
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
average at best :p
@paulstack2431
@paulstack2431 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your valuable comment 😅
@DavidGarcia-oi5nt
@DavidGarcia-oi5nt Жыл бұрын
Oh man my Simagic mini is feeling a bit inadequate!
@LaurenceDusoswa
@LaurenceDusoswa Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha the mini is awesome but if you have spare money, make someone else happy by selling them your mini and upgrade to an alpha u. That way, everybody wins 😂
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