Simon Jordan & Graeme Souness DEBATE If Todd Boehly Is To BLAME For Chelsea's Problems 🔥

Simon Jordan & Graeme Souness DEBATE If Todd Boehly Is To BLAME For Chelsea's Problems 🔥 | talkSPORT

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Simon Jordan and Graeme Souness debate if Todd Boehly is to blame for the struggles Chelsea have been through.
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@user-rd4sr3ec9i 6 ай бұрын

“Who’s he talking to”😂😂😂😂😂😂

@dennisstaines8005 6 ай бұрын

I actually think the first mistake was hiring Graham Potter rather than a established high level manger and I blame that on all the pundits saying he is a wonderful up and coming manager but quickly failed to make the grade (I must admit I thought he could work). When Frank came in as care taker he was shocked on how unfit the players which is why we performed badly. We also had 11 injuries with many of the injured key players , which added to the disaster. The final error was selling so many good players and buying in many inexperienced players and many that are not good enough. We are paying the price for these bad decisions. I do agree they should have asked Marina and Petr to stay on for the rest of the season and help guide them in their first season. Not sure Bruce Buck what have been of any value. Not a Pochettino admirer but they should have probably got him instead of Potter and I suspect we would be in a much better state.

@Nev91280 6 ай бұрын

Apparently Bruce Buck & Granovskia had the chance to sell Chelsea too a couple of Chelsea fans but instead chose Clownlake capital, the worst owners ever, no affection for the club its just about making as much money as possible in the next 10 years.

@alzer6467 6 ай бұрын

And somehow Potter is on the United shortlist to replace Ten Hag if that goes south.

@Dominic-gf1do 6 ай бұрын

Potter was awful

@enkaan1676 6 ай бұрын

W@nk lampard was better was he 😂

@user-bu9nb8wr6e 6 ай бұрын

Todd Bohley buys a Champions League winning side full of proven world class winners. Sells nearly every player in that squad and replaces them with over priced untried and untested kids. The geezer is an arrogant fool.

@BSMAG87 6 ай бұрын

I mean, 3 of the defenders left on free transfers because the club couldn't offer them new contracts due to the sanctions, the time had come for Kante, Giroud and Kovacic to move on and majority the rest (Ziyech, Pulisic etc. never really did it in a Chelsea shirt, so you're kind of misrepresenting what actually happened. But, that said, only recruiting raw, largely inexperienced prospects isn't great strategy at all

@dalek3086 6 ай бұрын

Tomori, Giroud , Abraham and Pulisic all doing well in Italy. Chelsea let them all go. and Chelsea messed up Gilmour as as player.

@BSMAG87 6 ай бұрын

@@dalek3086 it isn’t “messing up” if a player wants to leave. It happens all the time, even at the big clubs

@patokev3691 5 ай бұрын

And Boehly sacked most of the staff at Chelsea... the medical staff (which is crazy), ... even the flippin' grounds keepers (wtf). He hasn't a clue what he's doing. Frankly it doesn't matter. Clearlake Financial will be selling Chelsea in 10 years as the global market for football continues to make teams more and more profitable. The Glazers bought Man U for like 700 mil pounds, now they can sell it for billions. What will 2030 bring?

@BSMAG87 6 ай бұрын

They're definitely making enough mistakes on their own but some context lacking here namely, the exceptional circumstances such as the sanctions that lead to the first transfer splurge (losing Rudiger, Alonso and Christensen on frees meant they were in desperate need of recruiting new defenders, and selling clubs exploited that) and the huge ongoing 2-year injury crisis that has made integrating all these new players even more challenging

@ahmedthebassa 6 ай бұрын

I agree with everything you've said apart from the part that the "sanctions" led to us losing Rudiger, and Christiansen. Its down to POOR planning from as Souness says "football knowledge" at the club. Tuchel was brought in with Cech and Marina running everything. Remember, during the entirety of that season, we kept hearing that Andreas and Toni were close to signing a new deals, but their agents were clearly shopping them around. Those talks should of began a year earlier. Sadly, the man they brought in previously, a Mr. Frank Lampard want them both out, he preferred Kurt Zouma to them. Its a problem we've had previously. You gotta have the coach, directors and owners aligned. We went out for youth in 2012, then we hire Jose, and he gets rid all of most of the youth in Salah, Lukaku and KDB, but only kept Eden Hazard. Under Tuchel, we once again did the same, we brought in a coach that only got the job because of our transfer ban, had to use youth, in Lamps, but then a couple years later, Tommy T walks in, wins a UCL, but then wants a 28yo 100m Lukaku, to fuel the spend we sell Guehi, Livramento, Tammy, etc. TT PAID 15m + Marcos Alonso for Aubameyang. Alonso was valued at 10m, so we terminated his contract to allow him to move to Barca without them having to pay any Tax. Every other player we signed either played amazing against us or was overly hyped up. It was all down to TT in the first window. He was definitely terrible to work with Tuchel. When asked if he would be part of the interview process to get the technical director, he said he didnt want to do that. When asked if he enjoyed having more control over transfers, we said he couldnt wait til the window was over, as he didnt like talking and convincing players to join. Which explains why Lukaku fell out with him, he clearly wasnt the one who convinced him to rejoin, it was Marina and Cech, with a tower of cash. Imagine, you give the manager power, power that all managers in the modern game would kill for, but he then says that he 'misses' Cech and Marina.

@david82724 6 ай бұрын

Brother… we coulda gave them players deals ages ago… but who’s to say we wouldn’t have sold them anyways … we have a team that’s similar to a nursery… players with no experience that r overhyped…

@david82724 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@ahmedthebassabut a mangers job isn’t to do that??? Others want the power others don’t… he was the best manager we had in ages… he identified a player he wanted and let the other ppl do THEIR JOBS… TT’s job was on the pitch with the team… wasn’t his role to persuade players and waste all his time on that

@averageinternetuser95 6 ай бұрын

It amazes me how some of these well-paid people in the media genuinely appear to know less than fans. Marina was Abramovich's employee and was always going to leave the club with him. The previous board all then left of their own accord once the new owners came in. Granted, most of the transfers so far have been very poor, but the old regime left of their own accord, so you can't really throw that one at the club.

@TickleMyDickl3 6 ай бұрын

And that's a point souness made. 'Should have pleaded with them to stay'

@strikereureka244 6 ай бұрын

Exactly, yes he shouldve pleaded with them to stay but buck, cech and marina were all jumping ship as soon as the take over happened, not much boehly could do about it. We can't compare it to Newcastle as the transition of purchases was very poor and not needed (forced by the government). Of course its gonna be rocky at first but with time the club will go back to its status of a European regular club.

@sandboxplayerz667 6 ай бұрын

@@strikereureka244 Also, Roman was doing underhanded deals, which are slowly coming to light. It was good for both parties that everyone involved with Chelsea left. These owners could never work like Roman, so they needed to have a fresh start.

@Tarek_ElMaddah 6 ай бұрын

Boehly’s biggest problem that he talked about changing football when he knew nothing about it. He was so arrogant without backing it up with success.

@samcurtisrobinson 6 ай бұрын

Sounesss spot on

@yt.personal.identification 5 ай бұрын

Simon took it all personal. Someone tell him it isn't Graeme's fault that Simon failed as an owner that thought it would be easy. He clearly felt represented by Souness comments.

@travelswithted673 6 ай бұрын

I side with Souness on this one

@joncieelmore8056 6 ай бұрын

Funny how Simon Jordan never admits when he’s wrong.

@ironrebel357 6 ай бұрын

Especially when it's an argument that involves owners.

@MW92. 6 ай бұрын

Simon = top LAD proper clobber

@user-bu9nb8wr6e 6 ай бұрын

Thats because he is full of pride because he is ruled by his ego. When he gets older if he gets lucky, he will look back and cringe. His pride makes him arrogant and that makes him look foolish.

@argyrosmichail1008 6 ай бұрын

Honestly Simon blaming TTis beyond a joke . W

@robin231176 6 ай бұрын

I don't think you understand what happened there.

@argyrosmichail1008 6 ай бұрын

@@robin231176 what happened then

@robin231176 6 ай бұрын

Got to be careful here, but Simon Jordan and others have alluded to substance abuse after his marriage fell apart.@@argyrosmichail1008

@simonmenzies3142 6 ай бұрын

Don’t know why Simon’s trying to find a fight here. He looks silly trying to blame everyone for nothing🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

@Dominic-gf1do 6 ай бұрын

I miss tuchel and roman

@rl865 6 ай бұрын

Boehly has to take some responsibility for decisions such as manager sackingss and ethos in terms of recruiting youngsters for a squad. But he’s not the only one it’s more an issue for the club as a whole

@MOH_AL_K 6 ай бұрын

He’s the biggest problem bcz he’s the one that made all these bad decisions since he’s the owner.

@MOH_AL_K 6 ай бұрын

Defending Boehly , even though his decisions are the ones that lead to Chelsea’s demise , would be crazy !

@jzajzz 6 ай бұрын

0:42 😂😂

@argyrosmichail1008 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely right Graham go on simon tell us how TT was acting

@jamesjelley6126 6 ай бұрын

He is 100% to blame. Turned the club into a profit machine

@stephenhartley4054 6 ай бұрын

Love it Simon mate great stuff 💙💙👽👽

@kwakka636 6 ай бұрын

Take a shot of whisky every time Jim white removes and puts on his glasses you will be smashed 😂

@TurtleJeff94 6 ай бұрын

Todd Boehly owns a minority share in Chelsea, he’s just the face of the ownership. Behdad Egbali and Clearlake Capital own the majority share and are the ones behind all the idiotic spend on transfers. They’re buying young, unproven players and selling academy players to make as much profit as possible out of the club. As much as I don’t like Todd, he’s not entirely to blame, he’s just the face of the ownership

@phildemetriou440 6 ай бұрын

"You're making a binary observation" SJ doesn't half talk gibberish lol.

@alexandergeorgiev74 6 ай бұрын

It's all Boehly fault

@dannyrooney4323 6 ай бұрын

Club just needs to settle down. Rome wasn't built in a day.

@nayden5834 6 ай бұрын

Those two got good banter.

@gerd9126 6 ай бұрын

Souness and Jotdan are very good together..

@Tarek_ElMaddah 6 ай бұрын

Boehly’s other problem was sacking everyone, even though they were successful for many years. He wanted to make changes and be successful so everyone would point at him and praise him. It’s all about himself! Meanwhile, he changed a working formula.

@jonhayes7322 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely cretinous of Jim White to say “soccer” in an American accent - we, England, used soccer to differentiate between rugby football and association football

@jackmack-ov7nd 5 ай бұрын

Jordan was blaming Poch a couple of months ago Simon "Mr Flip Flop" Jordan. They should name a pair of flip flops after Simon Jordan he changes his opinion with the wind

@menzibhembe3916 6 ай бұрын

Simon Jordan is the most annoying person you can ever come across. His ego doesn't allow him to admit guilt or wrong. At times, he argues just for the sake of arguing.

@dannytallmage2971 6 ай бұрын

So funny when Africans say stuff like this. An entire continent that didn’t have the wheel or two story houses until Whites showed up calling someone arrogant. Compared to an africant Europeans should be arrogant.

@richiesheridan7247 6 ай бұрын

Boehly fell out with Tuchel because he wanted Ronaldo

@martynmcnulty782 6 ай бұрын

YES ! BUT for Poch to ask for more 💵💵💵💵💵 is bonkers 🤪 YOU ARE THE MANAGER 😡 time to justify your obscene wages and coach these players to get the maximum out of them ! also does this club have an academy ? GIVE THEM A CHANCE !

@garyjohnson3751 6 ай бұрын

I blame the glazers

@kevd4734 6 ай бұрын

Alonso!

@jordano9093 6 ай бұрын

He is saying alonso going barca

@bond12 6 ай бұрын

Hahahaaaa, Graeme Souness is on Point!!!!!!!!!

@jimedwards9171 6 ай бұрын

Did tuchel buy the players the? Or was they bought for him and told this is your players now, deal with it!, so he left after a couple of months as he knew it was not going to work.

@dalek3086 6 ай бұрын

Tuchel could not buy and sell the players , old problem with Chelsea owners going back to the days of owner Ken Bates.

@jimedwards9171 6 ай бұрын

@dalek3086 cheers for the answer, that's what my impression was

@knightwatch4168 6 ай бұрын

Simon as a failed football club owner always knows the best😂he knows better than everyone but he failed dismally when he owned a football team

@UnreliableUsername 5 ай бұрын

But if its Man United its ETH is to blame and not the Glazers fault

@stephenrice1592 6 ай бұрын

Spot on Graham the bloke don't have a clue to run a football club 😂😂

@user-mw6ej1lc7o 3 ай бұрын

Marcos Alonso 😂😂😂😂😂

@jimmywellroks 6 ай бұрын

big hole in Graham's argument is simple: the people running chelsea before Boehly were running the club into the ground. 12 of the senior squad all had the contracts expiring in 2023 and the players they were bringing in weren't up to much. they literally sold the bulk of chelsea's centre backs right before Boehly arrived. the rot started in 2017 and the new ownership are having to turn around a much worse situation than most people realise. also Boehly assembled a footballing structure beneath him a few months into the job, something Chelsea hadn't had for 6 years. so the 'people around him' are all 'football people' and not Todd Boehly or American

@jab-gn3sw 6 ай бұрын

American owners who don't understand the game, getting rid of successful staff & players is ridiculous at best , you don't change the whole team !

@bryguy572 6 ай бұрын

They appointed themselves as Sporting Directors - instead of hiring a Sporting director et al. Who's that foolish to walk into a foreign sport and appoint themselves as Directors? They were being played by agents like Mendes to everyone else. They also were foolish enough to go into foreign markets themselves. Boehly said in an interview that they were learning how all the markets were different and it takes time to learn those markets - so why the heck didn't they hire people that work in those foreign markets, that know those foreign markets, to actually work for Chelsea in those markets instead of learning on the job and having their trousers pulled down? Sacking Tuchel because he didn't want to get involved with recruitment or be micro-managed and now telling Pochettino he doesn't want him involved in recruitment and to focus on coaching. Simon just had a howler of a debate. He keeps repeating the slander from ONE SIDE which is Boehly as to why he fired Tuchel. Boehly has given multiple different excuses as to why he wanted rid of Tuchel and Simon just repeats them without the wisdom to know there's two sides to every story. Todd first said he wanted Ronaldo and Tuchel didn't want him. Kept refusing. Then Tuchel stopped Boehly and a crowd they were bringing into the dressing room. Or Tuchel wasn't responding to his messages or Tuchel didn't want to work on the recruitment side. Now it's some mystery slander that Simon continues to repeat. Souness conducted himself very well here. Simon saying it's fact Tuchel spent 300 million is silly. Todd had plans to sack him since the summer and only waited because he didn't want the backlash. Why would he buy Tuchel targets for a manager he's doing to axe? He wasn't. Tuchel got Sterling but the rest of the picks Tuchel didn't want. Tuchel wanted Nathan Ake and de Ligt. They gave him Kulibalay and Fofana. Souness was correct in what anyone with half a brain would have sat back, hired professionals to work for him and assess the situation. Boehly, Eghbali decided to burn money like the Joker from Batman.

@ahmedthebassa 6 ай бұрын

We lost Rudiger, and Christiansen for free as it was down to POOR planning from as Souness says "football knowledge" at the club. Tuchel was brought in with Cech and Marina running everything. Remember, during the entirety of that season, we kept hearing that Andreas and Toni were close to signing a new deals, but their agents were clearly shopping them around. Those talks should of began a year earlier. Sadly, the man they brought in previously, a Mr. Frank Lampard want them both out, he preferred Kurt Zouma to them. Its a problem we've had previously. You gotta have the coach, directors and owners aligned. We went out for youth in 2012, then we hire Jose, and he gets rid all of most of the youth in Salah, Lukaku and KDB, but only kept Eden Hazard. Under Tuchel, we once again did the same, we brought in a coach that only got the job because of our transfer ban, had to use youth, in Lamps, but then a couple years later, Tommy T walks in, wins a UCL, but then wants a 28yo 100m Lukaku, to fuel the spend we sell Guehi, Livramento, Tammy, etc. TT PAID 15m + Marcos Alonso for Aubameyang. Alonso was valued at 10m, so we terminated his contract to allow him to move to Barca without them having to pay any Tax. Every other player we signed either played amazing against us or was overly hyped up. It was all down to TT in the first window. He was definitely terrible to work with Tuchel. When asked if he would be part of the interview process to get the technical director, he said he didnt want to do that. When asked if he enjoyed having more control over transfers, we said he couldnt wait til the window was over, as he didnt like talking and convincing players to join. Which explains why Lukaku fell out with him, he clearly wasnt the one who convinced him to rejoin, it was Marina and Cech, with a tower of cash. Imagine, you give the manager power, power that all managers in the modern game would kill for, but he then says that he 'misses' Cech and Marina.

@studentofdgame9420 6 ай бұрын

I’d love to know what bohely told Simon about tuchel , he heard one side of the story and sided with the owner. He spent all that money regardless if tuchel wanted those players or not.

@minatodroger7890 6 ай бұрын

Must have told him how he gave tuchel so much power as manager and he didn't want it. I mean it was reported they wanted tuchel being in on the interview process for the technical directors and also for the new players. He complained he didn't want to do that. I mean he was going through a divorce and was doing all the PR when the sanctioned happened. So fair to him sill he recommended players that really didn't fit the profile either I.e cuca, sterling auba

@studentofdgame9420 6 ай бұрын

@@minatodroger7890 it was their job to get proper football people to walk in the door with them or ask the old regime to stay for a grace period until they could get the people they wanted not come to the club and let everybody leave then play football manager and overpay for player that summer and winter….. tuchel is a coach and a good one

@si4632 6 ай бұрын

haha tucel did sign some strange players didnt he lol

@rc9719 6 ай бұрын

Simon can’t go against the incompetent owners fraternity .

@Nutswoodworking 6 ай бұрын

They will get it right.

@Hassan32132 6 ай бұрын

It ain’t even hard all they had to do is buy osihmien or Kane this whole season they’ve created chances and not taken them they could easily be in the top 5 rn

@goodallj338 6 ай бұрын

yep with the money they have its only a matter of time

@tevildo45 6 ай бұрын

They’re a finished club

@Jason6369gaming 6 ай бұрын

@@tevildo45we’ll see you probably support a team that could only Wish of having the success of Chelsea so jog on

@BSMAG87 6 ай бұрын

@@tevildo45 Lol it's been bad, but compared to the likes of Arsenal and United who have achieved very little in the past 10-15 years, it's only been 18 months of mediocrity... Makes me laugh considering how people are currently waxing lyrical about Arsenal yet they don't have a single trophy to show for all the big spending they've been doing, yet apparently Chelsea are washed when they've won the Champions League more recently than the gunners have won even a domestic cup. No club is entitled to success and football is generally cyclical. If Chelsea still aren't competitive in say 3-4 years, then we can talk.

@lfcspectre4335 6 ай бұрын

Simon & Graeme = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts

@user-mw6ej1lc7o 3 ай бұрын

Yo! Souness is great 😂😂😂

@Anonymous-kq8oh 6 ай бұрын

I blame Paul Pogba

@g-stergaming4502 6 ай бұрын

Wait, this is Simon right, the same guy who argues that by spending too much, state owned clubs and now Saudis are ruining the market with knock on effects further down the pyramid...the same guy who argues daily "best in class".....he has sure changed his opinion, as one is entitled to do, when faced with someone trying to bad mouth Bohly..sorry, I mean...new facts....... and its funny how he uses Tuchel as argument, he tells everyone else who names anyone or anything "why bring it up if don't have courage of convictions to name them"... yet for what, 2 years, he and Jim have said Tuchel deserved to be sacked, they been told why...but won't name who, or why.....typical Tory 😅

@KG-vn8ou 6 ай бұрын

Simon you all seeing mole, you trust the people who have historically delivered success.

@footballmattersfc4690 6 ай бұрын

Simon Jordan - Top LAD Primark Clobber 💯

@frankford1115 6 ай бұрын

The owners rely on managers who most often win nothing and everything turns to custard. Football people get relegated, make poor buys, get fired. Then they climb on another horse. Why should an owner trust a manager? Chelsea were a success down to the owner. He won with any coach, any style, any philosophy, any project. He won everything.

@_Forza 6 ай бұрын

If Chelsea had 2 full back that could stay healthy and be competent, they'd be challenging for Europe comfortably.

@khailygooz 6 ай бұрын

I’m tired of this convo going round and round.1. We had a ban due to the Ukraine invasion. 2. We couldn’t give any of the players we had at the time a new contract because of the ban. 3. When Boehly joined, cech, marina and buck who were loyal to Roman resigned. 4. Tuchel was cheating on his wife and acting like a fool, which rubbed Boehly the wrong way, plus there is no doubt he leaked the 443 convo to the media. 5. You won’t get any succuss when you are rebuilding a club from 0.

@runningtoborder 6 ай бұрын

Chelsea are the biggest joke in world football. Shocking transfer after shocking transfer. Incredible.

@gooner4life518 6 ай бұрын

Alonso

@folu12 6 ай бұрын

Simple comparison - Look at how the Saudi's have approached the NEWCASTLE project... I rest my case

@veraw1221 5 ай бұрын

Todd bohly sacked a champions league winning manager,,,,,and replaced him with Graham Potter??? Enough said ,,,,,,hes at Chelsea to make money ,,, at any cost including the clubs demise

@king-19 6 ай бұрын

whaaaaat this is the guy that defends the glazers with blood when any utd fan calls pathetic😂😂😂😂

@alexnahra5894 6 ай бұрын

and you wonder why this guy ran crystal palace into the ground lol, total knobhead

@si4632 6 ай бұрын

souness was a rubbish manager🤣🤣

@jonhayes7322 5 ай бұрын

I agree with SJ & not Souness; the latter is a dinosaur, so arrogant

@footballmattersfc4690 6 ай бұрын

Graham Souness - Top MAN Gucci Clobber 💯

@Llo834 6 ай бұрын

Lmao simon and his Tuchel conspiracy theories. TELL US WHAT HAPPENED OR STFU

@hustleup3840 6 ай бұрын

😂

@argyrosmichail1008 6 ай бұрын

Todd laso boely a joke simon stop defending them

@whodadogrunning 6 ай бұрын

Marcos "lot's of hair" alonso

@nurobeatz5399 6 ай бұрын

Seriously some of these ex pro opinion is so flawed... i can make better points... BIAS!!!!

@DeanRyan89 6 ай бұрын

The club was £1 away from administration and absolute nobodies, Roman is the only reason they were temporarily relevant their delusions of grandeur won’t take away from the fact that now Roman is gone, they’re back where they belong. Mid table, simple as!