They need to ban ALL gambling adverts before, after and during games. Sick of seeing it.

How can a headline story on perils of gambling have only adverts for betting 🤷🏼‍♂️

I love the fact if I wasn't running a plugin, every time i watched a vid on YT about Tonali I'd get blasted with bloody gambling ads.

The bottom line here is the FA upheld Tonali's ban, if he was only banned from Italian football and Europe that would be one thing but the FA upheld his gambling ban in English competition so charging him again for the same offences committed before the ban is unfair.

Jims attitude on this really shocks me. If you changed gambling for alcohol he would be significantly more understanding. Poor from him really.

Toney got 8 months for 232 offences, by that token Tonali should get 7 weeks for 50 offences.

Martin should be the Arch Bishop of the PFA

Martin's the only one of the three talking sense here. How's Tonali a recidivist? These bets were before his original ban. It's part of what he was already banned for. The only difference is the final 50 bets happened in England instead of Italy.

A bit rich from Talksport....they encourage and promote gambling.....they can offer gambling helplines and help websites but its extremely hypocritical of them. They tempt people into gambling and they point the finger of blame and condemnation at men who fall for their adverts and talk of betting.

There will be other footballers out there looking over their shoulder that haven't been caught yet.

Cantona kicked a fan , regardless of the circumstance , but none the less was banned 6 month. Terry racism accusations 6 game ban . Tonali could potentially be out a year and a half. Doesn’t add up really

Harry Tofollo bet against his own team and claimed mental health issues, and managed to get a reduced ban. Tonali has already been given a 10 month ban and is receiving help. What is the purpose of giving out bans? He's already getting help. As far as I am aware, he hasn't been match fixing. Jim and Simon are going on like he murdered someone. Players get less for racism.

Getting addicted to gambling is so dangerous.

Looking at the FA only - if they are to be considered separate incidents from the Italian penalties - then Toney was given 8 months for over 200 offences then by that math Tonali should get 2 months for his 50 beaches. Then the FA shouldn't wait for the Italian ban to be over before applying their own sanction so Tonali's additional ban from the FA should start immediately and run concurrently with the Italian ban.

50 addional offences in 2 months? That is an addiction problem!!!

Why can't they find away to punish Tonali without punishing Newcastle United? He should be punished in his pocket but left to play for the team. Now the team is paying for the mistake of a player.

Addicted or not, betting on yourself or the team you play for to lose is so much worse than general betting.

Firstly, as far as we're aware, for all these newly charged offences happened while he was in the UK, he has NOT bet on any games since he was caught and charged in October... meaning any punishment other than a fine should run concurrently with the ban that's already running. Secondly, as we once had with brewing companies and alcoholic beverages, the game is saturated with big money sponsorship deals, on shirts, billboards, and the endless advertisements during every single match in the UK. He deserved to be punished, as did Toney, but we don't even seem to be acknowledging the hipocrasy in all of this. If gambling is so abhorrent, then why aren't we pushing tooth and nail to eradicate it and the companies involved from the sport in general?

Keown always defends the player, ALWAYS as he doesn't see anything from the clubs or the FANS point over view ... EVER!

Just taking a moment to appreciate how hard Milan mugged off Newcastle: effectively took their CL qualification money for Tonali then binned them out of the tournament 😂😂😂

Jim doesn’t play with a full deck of cards

What is the point for banning him for even longer? 10 months is more than enough it doesn't achieve anything

Gambling is an addiction, l get that. There are literally dozens of sports to bet on. As a footballer, why risk your career and livelyhood betting on football when you know it's illegal ?

Simon using the expression "dollars to doughnuts" is pretty ironic considering that's a gambling expression lol

Eddie - i fail to see how Tonali has been 'honest'

Footballers are allowed to bet but not on football, so the addiction argument is somewhat flawed. Players must be punished for gambling on football and for every infringement, or we could end up with a systemic issue where match fixing is a reality in the EPL. Look at Serie A only a few years ago.

No way the club should still be paying him. That should be part of the consequence. As it is, he's getting financial reward for doing nothing.

Surely committing the offence was the breach of contract whether or not it was explicit t in the contract.

The Hyprocrisy in football is shocking. Allow betting companies to advertise non stop, have programs sponsored by betting companies and then complain when people bet.

Where is the investigation into Milan?..... What did they know?

Tonali has been silent since his charge/ban while Toney has claimed that he was hard done by and that’s the difference. We should support those with addiction issues but there should always be consequences for their actions, like you would with any other employer outside of high profile sports clubs. Personally I don’t see the worth in banning him further unless he carried on gambling after he was accused/charged.

I wanted to know when he was told he was he was under investigation by the Italian FA, it was the 12th October 2023 and had to leave the Italy Squad training camp. The last betting breach reported by the England FA was October 12th 2023 according to everything I can find online. There’s a few individuals declaring he was betting after the Italy betting Investigation was declared. I want to know whether they’ve found different or they’ve not checked the facts.

Would love to hear Simon Jordan ‘discuss’ this with Paul Merson. Jordan wouldn’t know what hit him. Addiction to gambling is as bad as addiction to alcohol, drugs or anything else.

It's funny that Simon says that he has no skin in the game on this issue whilst his podcast is sponsored by Betfred

Tonali told Newcastle he wouldn’t take wages during his ban if they took him up on it iv no idea

I may be very biased but IF he has cut out the gambling and has obviously had a significant punishment, I don't quite see the point of punishing him further if the problem has effectively already been resolved and these charges are from BEFORE the initial judgement. That is the point here right? To excise/ extirpate the actual problem here- pure punishment has no point to it. That said, I am annoyed that he's come to the club for big money and stupidly broke the rules as a Newcastle player. Tonali's suspension was also the catalyst that destroyed our season- had he been available the injuries wouldn't have hit nearly as hard.

Martin writing his weekly shopping list by the looks of it

I support Newcastle and he's been flagrantly breaking the rules, him and Milan knew what he had coming and he continued his behaviour.

The offenses were before the ban and he was open in the investigation. The FA has known about this... at most give him a ban that serves out concurrently with his current ban.

How does it make sense that the 2nd time he commits the offence he gets a suspended smaller sentence? If its a suspended sentence it should be double what the original sentence was. Still the sentence shouldn't be suspended. Had this happened while he was suspended or before he got suspended?

Sentences often run concurrently in criminal law. The FA have to go through due process as these 50 offences occurred under their jurisdiction. Any punish should run concurrently. Tonali did notify the FA of these offences.

'He has suffered enough ' 😂😂😂😂

Fine him 8 weeks wages he won't do it again

Part of me feels that there should be some form of punishment but at the same point he clearly has an addiction problem which needs to be dealt with.

Tonali has clearly put himself in an invidious position and dollars for donuts suggests he will get a longer ban

Whilst I think breaking rules requires punishment, it's important to consider the effect of a playing ban. I'd argue that an extension of the current ban would damage Newcastle disproportionately compared to Tonali. I think the FA would be better served by forcing Tonali to do community work, both in and out of football, to raise awareness of gambling and the dangers involved. This takes up Tonali's personal time (which may still affect his performance for Newcastle) but saves Newcastle from having 50 million pounds worth of player on their balance sheet that can't contribute. My understanding is that he's already required to have done such work as part of his current punishment, so it seems a more reasonable avenue to pursue. That being said, if the intention is to improve how clubs monitor their players relating to gambling or behaviour more widely, then extending the ban would potentially be the better punishment as an incentive for Newcastle and other clubs to ensure their players don't fall foul of the same issues.

The FA are a joke. Gambling companies are everywhere in football and now they want to clamp down on betting. Where’s man city with their 115 charges

Tonali never wanted to leave Milan. Milan sold him because of the gambling issues. Newcastle bought a car with a flat tyre.

I'd like to know his strike rate prior to any judgment.

and yet they allow betting companies to sponsor and be involved at almost every level

I see no issue betting on your own team to win but there is an issue to bet on yourself to score first

The problem with this, it’s not all that black and white (pun not intended), you can have a game riddled with gambling that’s on almost every advert, on shirts, in stadiums, in build up adverts on the telly etc etc and then punish anyone from within who has an addiction? The issue is that the two are undeniably related. How much longer can you go on punishing individuals when the soul of football itself is infected with betting to its very core? And I’m not saying Tonali didnt/doesn’t deserve a punishment, but at some point there has to be a cut off. The lads an addict, he needs and is getting the necessary support. Isn’t a year long ban not enough?

It makes little logical sense for it to be “extended” (as in a further ban tagged on the end of his existing one) it should only really be extended by a new concurrent ban slightly overlapping his current ban Tonali went to the English FA when the Italy proceedings were starting and disclosed this information, the FA have only just reached their verdict It would make very little sense for the FA not to hand out immediate punishment and instead delay it and tag it on the end of a ban that was from another organisation and an investigation the FA were not part of. There’s not justifiable motivation to reach a verdict and then wait 5 months to give out the punishment, the punishment if there is one should run alongside the one from the Italian investigation, the only real way and “extended” ban makes sense is if he has 5 months left on the existing ban and the FA want to hand him an immediate 6 or 7 month ban for the 50 breaches here, in which case it would be an additional month or two

I wonder what are they checking for all the time on their desk??

These 50 charges where before he got banned not after? Surley this 50 is within his first punishment. Wild wanting to ban him more

as a manchester united supporter and from solely a football pov, I am grateful his absence for the toon army has hampered them and thus benefited us. but from a human pov it is a desperately sad story, gambling is one of if not the most destructive addictions in society and I genuinely hope he overcomes these demons

As someone who has a brother who has a gambling addiction for these to say that the guy knew the rules and should have not bet is ridiculous. Addiction is an illness and needs to be accepted as that in sport like in any other walk of life, I guarantee the player will be hurting and will be humiliated for himself and family. Sadly in the future he will have set backs just like alcoholism and drug addiction, the man needs help not punishment after punishment, that doesn’t work.

These 'new offences' are in continuation from his original offences the only difference is he moved country. Its not as if he got charged and then decided to gamble again after that. He has already missed the whole season so what good would it be to extend it beyond this even further? It would be different if he had started gambling again after being charged

Toonali has been found guilty for breaking rules in Italy, has his punishment. The FA have charged him with similar breaches, that is a separate charge not connected to the Italian charge. So any punishment should run concurrently with his ban now and not added on to the ban from his Italian conviction.

People really do underestimate gambling addiction - he needs help more than anything, bans won’t stop him. He’s human at the end of the day and gambling addiction can be just as crippling as alcohol and drug addiction - really hope he gets healthy and back on the pitch soon

Why has it taken the FA all this time to now say he has breached the rule. They could run it by the side of his current ban! But I bet they don’t and extend then ban which will be ridiculous as it certainly does not help the player or club!

There must have been medical and phsycological rehab sessions to be had while serving his ban

Is Martin suggesting excusing a rule beach simply because Newcastle are suffering?

Why don't they fine players for indescretions like they do in the NRL?.. Nothing hurts players more than paying fines from their own pockets

The Tonali deal will be ashworths legacy at Newcastle.

Betting on matches not match fixing. Before the FA give out a ban remove the betting advertisements. Doping and Match fixing are way bigger offensives.

Unfortunately it's new offences, that he cooperated should add leniency but does require an additional consequence. If someone was found to have additional speeding offences after having their license suspended, there would be additional consequences for actions not yet punished. He may be suffering but he has done this to himself. There are many people suffering the consequences of other people's actions that don't get the support Tonali is getting.

Shock horror ..man utd fan against Tonali being allowed to play!! 🙄

I don’t feel that I know all the facts yet. On one hand Newcastle said he fully cooperated with the Italian investigation so must have disclosed betting in the Premiership. This wasn’t a new period of abuse after previous punishment was initiated so why would the FA get involved now instead of earlier? If he didn’t admit the Premiership bets then he could be punished again but it’s taken a ridiculous amount of time to get here.

He’s received a ban & is getting the help he needs & focusing on a comeback & taking positive steps , these bets took place before he come to Newcastle , punishing him & Newcastle further only sets him back .

AC Milan would been rueing selling him to a club like Newcastle. This is the current state of high end Italian clubs. Selling top players to Premier League outlets. In retrospective Milan must be so relived. They bagged £52,000,000 for the sale & don’t have to deal with an ultra toxic issue.

Did these ‘new’ bets take place on dates before the date he was handed his worldwide ban? If yes, then there should be no further extension. If the difference is that they have taken place in different countries, then there is no point in having issued a WORLDwide ban. If you are going to be running two different bans based on two different countries, the initial ban should apply to playing in Italy only, and this potential second ban should apply only to England. But it wasn’t. It was a worldwide ban. It’s not like he finished his ban and then did it again to earn a new one. The lad still has 5months of punishment left!

Trying to say Ashworth is to blame or he should have asked around is grasping at straws for someone to blame.

Imagine watching a game in the future with tonali playing and thinking this is probably a legitimate game.

A financial punishment ie 1 year salary, would suffice in the Tonali situation

what about the Huddersfield lad 484 bets 4 month ban 3200 fine why the difference

Our society is very incoherent, we talk about mental health and addiction out of one side of our mouths whilst we're bombarded, literally bombarded, with gambling adverts 24/7. Adverts on the billboards, radio, in stadiums, in programmes, on shirts, it's non-stop.

WOW Simon and Jim betting on if NUFC are paying him.....Waging is another word for betting.

But if i may ask after being banned meaning doing nothing with competitions for a specified period of time, they're supposed to monitor him from the time of his resumption,hope am not wrong here

10 month ban is already ridiculous, other players have had less bans for actual crimes. Its over move on nobody wins from adding another few month on when its already been 10 months.

He keeps breaking the rules! If you break the rules once and get punished. And you do it again, why on earth would you not be punished again?

I've never bet on anything so this is a new area for me. Is having so much money a part of it? I feel for anyone who has an addiction. We are all human.

When Sandro came to Newcastle his addition would not of stopped so he was still gambling when he was at Newcastle,but then when he got found out in Italy he then came out and admitted to the fa that he had gambled while he was at our club and told the fa what he had gambled on,so I would like to think that he has done his time and any ban from the fa should run concurrent along side his ban fromi Italy,but they could have further6 months suspended because if he is found once to be gambling on anything that 6 months would come into play

What happened to Grobelar !?

" A heinous crime " it's good to hear Simon Jordan starting to chill a little .

His contract is to play football. Unless he’s injured then not playing is a breach of contract already. The timing of his actions will determine if further punishment is deserved.

Jim acting like he does not understand addiction. "He should have thought of that!" Funny huh?

Any charge that the FA bring against Tonali should run from the date that their investigation started, which is October of last year when he approached them of his own accord, and run concurrently. I sincerely hope the FA aren't dragging their heels so they can justify bolting their own ban onto the end of his current one. They've pis*ed around for five months already while they "investigate" betting offences that the lad has already confessed to!

Heated

When will the day come that Martin agrees on anything

I'm with Simon. Addiction is NOT an excuse! These players are privileged enough without sympathising with these multi million pound salaried players! Consequences have actions!!!

Addiction is tough...What I don't get is why bet on football? Sooooo many other sports he could have bet on and never get banned.

explain then why do mps still get paid when found guilty of wrong doing like false claims

It's a 10 month football ban, not 6 as as Simon has suggested as there is the European championships that he will miss. I think a 10 month ban in a career as short as a footballer is appropriate. If he does it again throw the book at him.

For people thinking it shouldn't be an issue, to be on games (if you don't play in them, for example), just take a look at insider trader in the stock market and why it is necessary to punish this type of behaviour

Sounds like addiction and I don't think impartiality comes into it

We’ve all broken the rules of some sort, many have broken the law but when your caught it’s ’a fair cop’ time. For me he deserves an extension on the ban till the January window.

If you're out on bail during a drugs dealing trial and get caught dealing drugs again the courts don't say "OH he has suffered enough"

One thing: PIF definitely has more legal power than the FA. Does the FA want this fight? I don't want to see the PIF destroy the FA. Or do I?

Give appropriate punishment another ban he knew the rules if I broke rules at work I'd get sacked