Hornby HM7000 DCC system, amazing low cost DCC sound and Bluetooth control!

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Simons Shed

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The Hornby HM7000 is controlled by the Hornby HM DCC app and is an amazing new DCC system that allows very low cost DCC sound and innovative Bluetooth control. Another incredible feature is the price - this is a very low cost DCC system. Let's see how easy it is to install and set up!
How to get inside the tender - • Hornby TT:120 A1 class...
#modelrailway #modelrailroad #trains #hornby
0:00 Intro
1:15 What is it?
4:15 What's in the box?
8:55 Instructions
11:45 Fitting chip & speaker
13:53 Setting up app & chip
20:12 The big test!
25:32 Is it any good?!

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@leokimvideo
@leokimvideo Жыл бұрын
Hearing the words 'free' and 'Hornby' in the same sentence is mind-blowing and rare. I wonder where the catch is, nothing is ever truly free.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes I was surprised they didn’t charge a subscription for the app or something, fingers crossed it stays free! Thanks for watching 👍🏼
@modelrailwaynoob
@modelrailwaynoob Жыл бұрын
Hardly any profiles, forget if you have an Android phone for now and they are designed for Hornby locomotives. Try fitting the Next 18 decoder in a locomotive.
@leokimvideo
@leokimvideo Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed Nothing is ever truly free, and also thanks for watching
@LarsPW
@LarsPW 10 ай бұрын
@ianmckernan1944
@ianmckernan1944 Жыл бұрын
I'm currently waiting for the Willie Whitelaw (with sound) set. Been airfix kit building for a while, after abandoning model railways due to moving to a small bungalow in retirement. (I'm approaching 76) but was totally blown away after watching the Hornby model world and seing the introduction of TT 120. With my wife's permission I have got to work on a baseboard and watching this I'm so excited at DCC and the free app, beautifully explained Simon. Thanks for your videos and, yes, I'd appreciate further 'tutorials' on the DCC set up.
@vonklinkerhoffen4343
@vonklinkerhoffen4343 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that Simon. Succinct and to the point review. The sound on the loco was so good it was drowning you out 😂. Fitted my N18TXS chip to my TT:120 William Whitelaw when it arrived, but have not used it yet as have decided to switch over to Peco track and in the process of changing over. Watching your video will certainly help when I get around to setting things up. Interesting that you cannot have the same profile on two devices, that’s technology for you, but like you say this is ground breaking stuff. Knowing this I think I’m with you and will set things up on my iPad. Thanks again
@AllensTrains
@AllensTrains Жыл бұрын
Looks like you had a lot of fun making this video. Thanks for uploading.
@keithshayle7027
@keithshayle7027 Жыл бұрын
Impressively smooth speed control!
@wamgoc
@wamgoc Жыл бұрын
Great to hear you are more positive, this week! Great review!👏👏👏👏
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@martyndeyoung8207
@martyndeyoung8207 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great review Simon. One of the sound keys is labelled "Fireman's breakfast" - great attention to detail, Hornby! :)
@Rob-Slot
@Rob-Slot Жыл бұрын
Oh WOW, more things controlled by my phone, NICE !! I just love how my phone does everything for me in my life, no matter how small the task. What's not so good is how bad it is at being a phone to talk to people on, especially when I'm out of my town!
@wild_rover2648
@wild_rover2648 Жыл бұрын
great video and explanation of a great system, Simon
@ACLocofan
@ACLocofan Жыл бұрын
Great video thanks...this new system looks really exciting...with so much more potential
@sunj375
@sunj375 Жыл бұрын
great, lovely loco, and nice run through of everything enjoyed that
@Madonsteamrailways
@Madonsteamrailways Жыл бұрын
This sounds jolly miraculous!! My own system operates both DC and DCC!! My layout is a Dad’s Army layout - Walmington-On-Sea - complete with appropriate vehicles.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Sounds fantastic, thanks for watching 👍
@georgebottarini1788
@georgebottarini1788 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Great informative video. Keep them coming.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do! 👍
@1tonyboat
@1tonyboat Жыл бұрын
Ordered the 21pin sound chip and should be here Friday . That`s going into a Colas class 37 .. Thanks for the vlog , very usefull (saves me reading the instructions)😂😂👍👍
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Have fun! 👍
@drevo50
@drevo50 Жыл бұрын
Cannot wait to try this.
@SDRM_Model_Railway_Club
@SDRM_Model_Railway_Club Жыл бұрын
Quality as usual Simon. But don’t forget the scenery 😜
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
😁 yes still got some work to do on the layout!
@LarsPW
@LarsPW 10 ай бұрын
When it comes to larger layouts and some sort of automation this becomes very interesting. We could steal the ETCS 2-principle and hide little RFID-transponders below the track on certain points of interest. The locos could read those transponders whenever they roll over them and send the information read via bluetooth to the central unit. The central unit gets knowledge where each loco on the layout currently moves. The transponders themselves do not need any wiring or programming. And the bluetooth connection should be fast enough to carry many of this locational data. The central unit could react by e.g. throwing a point or anything else. To solve this in a "classical way" you could use e.g. RailCom and (relatively expensive) occupation detection circuits with the ability to read RailCom-messages. The occupation detection devices have to send their informations over a relatively slow bidirectional bus to the central unit. Unless something like CAN-bus is in use many other accessory busses could be too slow.
@bobo327
@bobo327 10 ай бұрын
very nice video. have a nice weekend😊
@TheWGLOVER
@TheWGLOVER Жыл бұрын
What an excellent demonstration. Well done Hornby. I am tempted to get one to try it out. I look forward to following your progress.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching 👍
@johnkitchen9614
@johnkitchen9614 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully other manufacturers will get their act together and make smaller decoders that will fit into n gauge locomotives. I like the Bluetooth simplicity but I do enjoy my JRMI setup. I have been looking at Simons videos from the very beginning they have inspired me and enhanced my modelling ability. THANK YOU 😂😂😂 Just started my third layout.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes its a good start but I guess they will release 'gen 2' chips at some point that will be smaller. Thanks For Watching 🚂
@pierre-de-standing
@pierre-de-standing Жыл бұрын
These chips are still DCC compatible. Long live JMRI!
@jimjasper9851
@jimjasper9851 3 ай бұрын
Great video mate
@Madonsteamrailways
@Madonsteamrailways Жыл бұрын
My control system for my Dad’s Army layout is the ANEModel LD101. I have both digital and analogue locomotives to control.
@raymondmarkesteijn3198
@raymondmarkesteijn3198 Жыл бұрын
Great review thank you
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@1BCamden
@1BCamden Жыл бұрын
Thanks much appreciated
@chairmakerPete
@chairmakerPete Жыл бұрын
Looks like a good time to get into DCC!
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yep, impressed with it so far 👍
@douglaskinloch6272
@douglaskinloch6272 Жыл бұрын
This looks brilliant. I've had Bluetooth glitches with the previous HM analog system but that isn't a surprise. But why are people so down on this, it has to be the most logical thing to do in this day and age? Maybe I'm biased as an RC Ship models too. Bluetooth is ubiquitous, reliable and the separation of signal and power is just good practice! I intend to try and use this on my N Gauge and ON30 locos.
@EdWeeks999
@EdWeeks999 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@lms_steve6693
@lms_steve6693 6 ай бұрын
Hi Simon, I know this video is 9 months old, but I've just bought one to try and found your video most instructive, so thank you for that. Oh and Simon's Shed? More like Simon's conservatory! 😃
@mikeseba7817
@mikeseba7817 Жыл бұрын
Good news! 👍👍👍
@Chris_98_
@Chris_98_ Жыл бұрын
It's brilliant! I have it on two TT120 locos. Credit to Hornby which is well deserved 👏👏👏
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes indeed!
@asmith2021
@asmith2021 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation Simon. About to use Android App.
@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204
@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204 Жыл бұрын
Good video thanks lee
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
No problem 👍
@roundel52
@roundel52 Жыл бұрын
Great demo, thanks for recording it. My initial thoughts are that you can't work the layout with a friend if you have to re-pair with each phone. Surely that would be the sole benefit of logging in to the app. The huge disbenefit though seems to be if Hornby's servers are down, they stop supporting this or heaven forbid go bust. All that hardware and it will be unusable as soon as your phone dies. At least the decoders run in DCC mode, but needing Bluetooth to enable DCC mode would of course be impossible in that situation.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
fingers crossed they dont go bust 😱
@PaulMJStone
@PaulMJStone Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing the server element is for the loco names/photos/config. I wonder if someone would hack it for JMRI !
@andy_croft
@andy_croft Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing how the Legacy dongle works with existing systems and soundchips. great video
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'll have to take a look..seems to be on pre-order at the moment so not sure when it will be out.
@magpie473
@magpie473 Жыл бұрын
About time Hornby really took the lead as market dominant leader
@Cloudman572
@Cloudman572 Жыл бұрын
A bluetooth loco control system has been available in America for about 5 years now but I am pleased to see this hornby version.
@LocGeek
@LocGeek Жыл бұрын
Wow, very interesting! Bluetooth control has been tried over and over (by US manufacturers I think), but adding full DCC compatibility in parallel, and very cheap sound decoders, that does sound very interesting! Definitely will need to get my hands on one of those, the Next18 version does seem on the large side for N Scale, but may fit in some models. Thanks for the details!
@oddballssherman3785
@oddballssherman3785 Жыл бұрын
"Im sure theyll fix that in no time at all". Simon, as a retired data engineer that phrase is similar to "Titanic is unsinkable" to mariners
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
😁 I'm an optimist.
@oddballssherman3785
@oddballssherman3785 Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed I heard that phrase for 25 years, along with my other favourite "that will be fixed for the release version" 🙂
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
@@oddballssherman3785 my favourite is “yes of course we can do that, let’s add it to Phase 2” in other words, it’s never going to happen 😀
@oddballssherman3785
@oddballssherman3785 Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed Yep, from a dev who has already lined up his next rollout. I plugged my data into some shoddy systems over the years. I was embaressed to teach end users on occasion. This looks great though, on a mechanical basis its hugely impressive
@route7railway567
@route7railway567 Жыл бұрын
Sounds great. Can’t wait for mine to arrive. It’s a game changing bargain. Lots of people have been dismissive of this Hornby system. I think they will all have egg on their faces 😂 Regards … Steve 👍
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Its great and hope they sell loads and continue to add to it and develop it 👍
@alanharris2799
@alanharris2799 Жыл бұрын
This is a really good budget option that isn’t massively limited. It’s got an additional channel to the old TTS decoders and the fact the files are free is excellent and makes it very flexible. One thing about the more expensive sound decoders, they do often synchronise brake sounds with the deceleration, if Hornby could add that feature in this would be a perfect solution.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
it does seem to try and sync the brake sound if you leave the AFC on...doesn't really show in the video as I kept pressing Stop instead of just slowing the loco down gradually 👍
@user-lp2li4sx4i
@user-lp2li4sx4i 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Simon for all your videos. I was eager to install decoder and was excited right up to the point where error message displayed missing sound data and before that missing Rom. I phoned Hornby and did some resetting with of decoder with them ,still fault remains,say it may be decoder at fault. Waiting for them to email me with a remedy. Pleased to see yours went smoothly however clearly not everyone is having a good time. All the best with layout. Ian
@markdebsauzzietravels
@markdebsauzzietravels Жыл бұрын
HI Simon Great vid and it does make DCC more attractive, one question I do have is what happens if you would like to run 3 or 4 trains how would that work ?? Cheers Mark
@robertedney645
@robertedney645 4 ай бұрын
I’m slowly replacing my 00 gauge fleet with these and also adding smoke units to them which needs a small relay to work as the decoder function output current is low the first I fitted went into my flying Scotsman that sound profile also plays Scotland the brave lol
@RowgateDale_Railway
@RowgateDale_Railway 6 ай бұрын
So essentially I don’t actually need a controller? Daft question probably but I’m a newbie to the hobby and really don’t want to confuse things too much, this looks a good way to me!
@davidharle952
@davidharle952 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this very informative video, if I decide to go down the DCC route then I can come back and use this as a good reference. Thanks. I'm not too sure if it's that cheap, maybe for one Loco but I've ended up with 3 and hoping for the Class 08 later on in the year. So that's close to £280 then I would need to buy the transformer.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes it soon adds up if you are fitting multiple chips! Compared to buying an alternative DCC system (z21 etc.) and, for example, Zimo sound chips it will be less...but not 'cheap'!
@Cloudman572
@Cloudman572 Жыл бұрын
Cheaper if you don't want/need sound on your. Locos, sound locos are never going to be cheap. For a cheap DCC control system take a look at DCC-EX but that is not plug and play.
@user-ib6rx2jf6h
@user-ib6rx2jf6h 4 ай бұрын
I purchased a new Lenovo TAB M11 so that I could go with HM7000. Unfortunately I could not get things to work properly. After several days of backwards and forwards with Hornby, I received this message from Hornby today (20th March 2024): It’s also worth noting if you are an Android user, we are aware of a bug whereby HM7000 decoders are appearing fresh out the box as ‘Resettable’ and no appearing under the Ready to Link section. This can be fixed by using the Force Quit function within Android settings to close the HM | DCC app, then re-open the HM | DCC app and then Restart Scan. This will then find the HM7000 decoder without the need for a Reset Code.
@iansngauge
@iansngauge Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon! Looks like a very interesting development for the hobby. They look a bit too large for N guage - at least for the majority of my locos - but hopefully they'll get scaled down in time! TBH tablet / phone control really doesn't appeal to me as I like the tactile feel of a proper throttle, however, I'd love an app to allow me to change CV values easily, which this system seems to provide! I await an update on how well it plays with your Z21 system with interest! All the best, Ian.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, I'll have to try it in my Dapol 68 but I suspect you are right and it will be too big. Setting the CV values is so easy, it does make make other systems feel old-hat, will be interesting to see how they develop it and add to it. Thanks for watching 👍
@ashbournejunction573
@ashbournejunction573 Жыл бұрын
I use z21 with a digikeijs dr5000. Works great. Is this easy to migrate a whole fleet? Thanks
@benskiproductions
@benskiproductions 6 ай бұрын
Are you able to adjust the cv chuff timing setting so it’s more in time with the wheel revolutions?
@PaulMJStone
@PaulMJStone Жыл бұрын
Have you tried the app on a tablet for more space? Can you have 2 throttles for instance or more buttons available?
@paulharrington1140
@paulharrington1140 Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, I wonder if this works with R8312 elink with railmaster software
@saidbakr
@saidbakr Жыл бұрын
Are there sound chipsets for tracks?
@LordBonesaw
@LordBonesaw Жыл бұрын
I have fitted 2 of these now and they have been running flawlessly via bluetooth.. One issue I have found that needs addressing is while the loco is running the sound gets lower and distorts to the point you can’t hear it…. Switch sound off for couple minutes and works again!! But going forward it’s the same quality for half the price of the overpriced DCC controllers
@Madonsteamrailways
@Madonsteamrailways Жыл бұрын
The best speakers for this locomotive would be a double sugar cube in the tender.
@GosportRailworks
@GosportRailworks Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting idea, however I'm not sure how well they'd fit in N Gauge models, though the 6-pin one at 17mm long might work for anything which doesn't need a smaller decoder (Dapol Steam engines) or a Right Angled one, the Next-18 chip at 28.5mm long would be far too big for N Gauge. Still it's something to keep an eye on, but will have to pass on trying it till the decoders are smaller (and I've only got an Android phone)
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes shame they didn't get the Android app out in time. As soon as a class 68 sound profile is out I'll try it in the Dapol N gauge 68, hopefully it will fit. Thanks for watching 👍
@georgemartin408
@georgemartin408 Жыл бұрын
A game changer indeed. But can you operate 2 or more controlling devices (via the Bluetooth app) for more complex layouts requiring more than one controller at a time?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
You can but it looks like its not easy to swap a loco from 1 phone to another so 1 person would control 1 set of locos and the other would have a different set which isn't ideal.
@rdrhouse
@rdrhouse Жыл бұрын
have you tried powering the loco from a battery.
@paulbarnard5636
@paulbarnard5636 Жыл бұрын
Great video Simon I have got oo gauge in the garden how do you change number from 3 to onther number kind regards Paul
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I think you just tap the DCC address box and enter a new number and it just changes it straight away. Thanks for watching
@thedragon7442
@thedragon7442 Жыл бұрын
Hello simon just found your channel and wow watched most videos Im hopeing to get a shed layout but was wondering few things Whats the heat like in summer and whats it like in winter. Also is it a ship lap shed And i was worried about thiefs Where i live is very rural middle terraced house. Do you keep the cars buildings trains wagons in the shed or do you take them into the house. Many thanks
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for watching, the heat / cold is not too bad as I insulated the whole shed with 50mm celotex boards. It is ship lap and I don't leave anything valuable in there but we've not had any problems as like yourself its a house in the middle with no access so they'd have to come through the house and ignore everything in there just to get to the shed. 👍
@VictoryWorks
@VictoryWorks Жыл бұрын
For everyone concerned about Hornby pulling the plug, charging for the app, going bust(!) etc. From what I can see you can use the app to set up a decoder with custom sounds, play around until you get it just so, then set it to normal DCC operation and it will then run forever without needing Bluetooth? You can still change the CV values on a track, etc. Without the app the only thing you won't be able to do is change the sound files, but presumably once you have that to your liking you'll never need to change it again anyway unless you move the decoder to another loco. £65-70 for a decoder with sound that you can set up yourself for any loco seems like a bit of a bargain to me? I'm pretty new to this, am I missing something?
@pim1234
@pim1234 Жыл бұрын
what is the with of the table ?
@SichardRamuels
@SichardRamuels Жыл бұрын
I am now even more imaptient for delivery of my Easterner TT:120 set (DCC fitted)! Is the power supply you're using the one that came with the set? If so, how many locos do you reckon you can run off 1A?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
It is but not sure how many locos it would run as I only have the budget for 1 chip so far 😅
@ChobertonJunction
@ChobertonJunction Жыл бұрын
New to the channel and wow this is very interesting. I am starting again after 40+ years away from the hobby. So many changes. Not seen your earlier video's but interested in your choice of scale TT:120 was there something that made you choose that? This does seem to be great value for money and I will see when I get to this point.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! I decided to give tt120 a go as I was looking for a new project as a break from my big n gauge layout which I've been working on for a number of years. I don't have space for a OO/HO layout so I love the smaller scales. 🚂
@ChobertonJunction
@ChobertonJunction Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed interesting. I have looked good and hard at TT:120 but I fear that it may not take off. I like the slightly larger scale from N but in the end what with my eyes etc 00 will fit the bill for now anyway. Thank you for the advise.
@aleopardstail
@aleopardstail Жыл бұрын
Q: will the app fire up after being installed _without_ an internet connection? thinking say if on a tablet with bluetooth but that uses WiFi but is it still usable without the wifi after installing it? if its not will also struggle if for whatever reason the internet connection is out (e.g. poor mobile signal or poor wifi) it does look impressive, the integration of "take a picture with the camera and use that" is nice and shows a bit of thought has gone in. and this is the first version. looks promising, would also be nice if there is eventually some method for controlling from a PC over bluetooth (e.g. laptop), for the future though - likely if Hornby publish the comms protocol to allow third parties to develop that overall though, looks very nice and good review :)
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes once everything is set up it does work without wifi. Thanks for watching 👍
@davidcurrie8429
@davidcurrie8429 Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, The app is available for android, I purchased a 21 pin sound decoder to try but unfortunately if was DOA. Your video is very informative and I'm looking forward to receiving a replacement. Regards, David.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Hope you get a replacement soon. Do you have a link to the Android app? Can't seem to find it and I'd like to add a link in to the video.
@davidcurrie8429
@davidcurrie8429 Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed Hi Simon, I did try send a link but not sure if you received it. Regards, David.
@davidcurrie8429
@davidcurrie8429 Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, Having looked again it looks like I was mistaken, The app was the HM|DC I had seen, it's a little misleading from Hornby having two apps that look similar.
@peterbudd1803
@peterbudd1803 Жыл бұрын
I would be interested to see how it works if you are using an existing DCC controller on the layout.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
I did have a quick go with the Hornby Select and it just worked as a 'normal' DCC chip would but need to have a proper look and maybe do a video on it.
@dunnyraildunnybahn5481
@dunnyraildunnybahn5481 Жыл бұрын
One of the other interesting facts is that this can be used by a Battery Powered locomotive, not perhaps so relevant formTT120. But 00 and larger scales may well find this a good cheep way to get into battery DCC. Though be interested to know the range in the garden.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Interesting! Also reminded me that I completely forgot to do the range test in the review!
@glynwilliams485
@glynwilliams485 Ай бұрын
How long does it take to set up
@TheHeritageLine
@TheHeritageLine Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, This system is very intriguing, Now I know everyone will be reviewing this directly at the Bluetooth feature point of view, but it would be nice to see it from the dcc aspect. I assume you program it through the Bluetooth ( sound profile) but will it program on a dcc system? ie cv's. is the next 18 chip wired so that it will plug into a loco that has already got speakers wired up? or do we have to use their plug in speaker. will the decoder and sound work on a z21 app properly. Hopefully some of these questions will be answered as many get to grips with this new chip. I suspect that Hornby will drop their tts sound decoders in the future in preference of this system so it would be nice to know if this would work or have limitations as a dcc decoder. All the best Tony.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, yes wanted to tackle the novel features of the Bluetooth bit first. I did briefly try it with the Hornby Select on DCC and it worked as a 'normal' DCC chip would.You should be able to change the CV values on Bluetooth or in DCC mode on a programming track. I've since had a quick play with the Bluetooth CV editor and it's so much easier and quicker then, for example with the z21. May be wrong but I think the Dapol 68 in n gauge has 'pads' to solder a speaker to, so I may be able to test on that to see if you need to use their plug or not for the speaker. Not sure if/when they will release a class 68 sound file (or if the chip fits in an N gauge 68!). Cheers, Simon.
@stormbowman7148
@stormbowman7148 Жыл бұрын
The decoder works perfectly fine on any DCC systems as any other decoder will. You can program it, setup function mapping with CV values. The easiest is to program it using the app, because the app will make some things easy for you. But you can do the same with a DCC controller and CVs. I have programmed mine using a Märklin CS3. Worked like a charm.
@TheHeritageLine
@TheHeritageLine Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed I suspect it won't fit into a N-gauge loco LOL! I use a different method of sound where I link the sound decoder to a normal decoder using the same address, then amplify the sound from the sound decoder under the board to some pc speakers. I have since found out that the sound decoder will work in a dummy loco with no motor so it looks like it could be a winner for my use 😁.
@TheHeritageLine
@TheHeritageLine Жыл бұрын
@@stormbowman7148 Nice to know 😁, Thanks for the info, looks like this system could be a winner.
@thebritfarmer
@thebritfarmer Жыл бұрын
Can you use that chip on your shed layout using bluetooth while some one else uses the normal DCC system and the other regular DCC locos at the same time/
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely
@classicairlineractionfromavion
@classicairlineractionfromavion Жыл бұрын
As the 'instructions' to the loco are not carried via the track, does that mean that the modifications recommended for electrofrog points [to increase the reliability of the track signal] are no longer necessary?
@PaulMJStone
@PaulMJStone Жыл бұрын
I would think the electical short issue would be the same - track is still powered.
@John_N_Quay_Harbour
@John_N_Quay_Harbour Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure which came first: the chicken or the egg i.e. TT120 or the HM7000, but unless I have missed something it looks like N scale was just too small for the HM7000 DCC system which is very frustrating
@magpie473
@magpie473 Жыл бұрын
Any info on point control or is it only for the track and locos
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
not looked into that yet, not heard anything.
@GaryB_OutandAbout
@GaryB_OutandAbout 7 ай бұрын
Hi, great video 👍🏼 This has me a little excited. Please bear with me as I’ve only ever used analogue and have been looking at DCC for a while. So I currently have a very basic Hornby Hogwarts Express set, DCC ready, with analogue power track and controller that came with it. I wanted to add sound, but the cost of converting to DCC put me off a little. This seems to be the answer! So would I be correct in saying, to convert to use this system, I would need to buy: A DCC power track. The recommended DCC power supply adaptor. And then the relevant HM7000 Bluetooth pack (looking at the instructions, the train I have has an 8 pin chip, I’ve not opened it up to confirm) Would that be correct? Thanks in advance for any guidance. Gary.
@GaryB_OutandAbout
@GaryB_OutandAbout 7 ай бұрын
Hi again, so I went ahead and bought the bits I mentioned. I spent most of an afternoon excitedly installing my HM7000, to a DCC ready, Hornby Hogwarts Express. Just in case this helps others, I had some issues. I was analog only, so installed an R8241 power track with the R7337 power supply and adaptor cable. Installed the HM DCC software to my iPhone 12 Pro. Linked the decoder and updated the firmware fine. Then when installing a profile, I got a slightly different block error to you: ‘Error Installing Sound Pack block_error - Block 386 Failed! the decoder took to long to respond. Please power cycle the loco and nstallation Options try again.’ It would report different blocks each time and would fail with this error, at different points of the ‘Updating SPIROM’ step. Kept reporting sound data missing. I tried all sorts. Different profiles reboot of phone, different Bluetooth setting. Remove the loco and decoder then re-add (never changed the loco number or name), Nothing worked. I eventually tried another iPhone. And it finally installed the sound profile. It still initially reporting sound data missing, but a second successful profile install fixed it. I’m now happily installing the different profiles to try. Hope this helps someone. Cheers, Gary.
@davidcbroad
@davidcbroad Жыл бұрын
The sound is going half speed, is that a fault or has Simon not taken on board steam locos have double acting cylinders and an A4 with 3 cylinders has six beats per revolution of the wheels. Or can't it be set to 6 beats per revolution?
@TheHeritageLine
@TheHeritageLine Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, I've been thinking more about the HM7000 and to be quite frank getting feed up of waiting for them to release the Android app LOL! As I know Apps are something you are familiar with, would it be possible to use a IOS emulator on a pc to use the apple app to initially set up the HM7000 decoder (updates and sound profile) then just use dcc as it's usual control. Never having owned any apple devices apart from a 1st gen nano ipod LOL! not sure if you need an apple account and if this is possible. Any thoughts would be appreciated. All the best Tony.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the iOS simulator doesn't do Bluetooth, it has to be a real device. I think they have now released the Android app though (finally!).
@hovermotion
@hovermotion Жыл бұрын
Not sure why Hornby launched the chip without Android support..
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
No, its is strange. Don't see why iOS and Android could have been developed along-side each other. Hope they sort it out soon.
@grah84mck
@grah84mck Жыл бұрын
Hey. Thinking of buying the chip. But does it have the class 43 yet or it all steam?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
class 43 is on there 👍
@colinframe7095
@colinframe7095 Жыл бұрын
Can you control more than 1 train at a time from the app? If so, how long does it take to switch from one to another?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
you use the tabs at the top of the screen, it will be almost instant. Apparently the limit is 9999 locos on 1 phone 😳
@aronvirginas
@aronvirginas Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed "Apparently the limit is 9999 locos on 1 phone 😳" Good luck navigating more than 10 though 😅
@Shamshiadadd
@Shamshiadadd 9 ай бұрын
Hi I'm a little confused at what would be providing the track power. So some sort of DDC track power is still needed I presume?
@andrewwarcup684
@andrewwarcup684 4 ай бұрын
I hope you got over your confusion. If not, the track is still powered the same as for any DCC system and powers the loco. The HM 7000 decoders can either be controlled direct by Bluetooth or through a DCC system. You just have to tell it if not using Bluetooth.
@doddc
@doddc Жыл бұрын
How many locos can the app connect to at once to control ? I thought Bluetooth had a limit of 7 connections, although I might be wrong.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
The limit is 9999 locos in the app 😳 As long as their is enough power to the track it should run as many as you want.
@roundel52
@roundel52 Жыл бұрын
It used to be 7, but this is Bluetooth 4, and limits are more than you'd need.
@olivermiles6858
@olivermiles6858 Жыл бұрын
@@roundel52 the app utilises Bluetooth Mesh technology, you’ll be hard pressed to max the app out!!
@stormbowman7148
@stormbowman7148 Жыл бұрын
The app uses Bluetooth Mesh. That is another technology. You can compare it more to the networks used by Philips Hue bulbs and similar systems. It is an entirely different league from your Bluetooth headphones.
@railthefox1857
@railthefox1857 Жыл бұрын
so can it onle be usd with a hornby dcc controler i onle have the bachmann ez command
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
no works with any DCC system 👍
@soheiltrains
@soheiltrains Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon, I'm considering buying one of these. Do you know if you can make your own sound profiles with your own audio recordings? Thanks SoheilTrains.
@jasperjenkin6645
@jasperjenkin6645 Жыл бұрын
this is great but could other people in an exhibition just control your models if they download an app?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
no they won't see your locos in their app 👍
@TheWGLOVER
@TheWGLOVER Жыл бұрын
I must be a bit dim, but how you operating the controls without your finger appearing?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
I recorded the phone screen with the built in screen-capture feature. on the iPhone, not with a camera pointing at the phone.
@paulkandi
@paulkandi 11 ай бұрын
What if there is no internet at a venue ( railway exhibitions ) ..? Or will I have to be on a plan to used it..?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed 11 ай бұрын
Once its set up you don't need Internet to use it (it just uses Bluetooth) 👍
@bennickss
@bennickss Жыл бұрын
Can you use these decoders on a normal DCC controller (eg Gaugemaster Prodigy 2)
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes, they also work as normal DCC decoders 👍
@WHRBERT
@WHRBERT Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed Does the sound work on normal DCC?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
@@WHRBERT yes, works like a normal sound decoder👍🏼
@WHRBERT
@WHRBERT Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed Brilliant, thank you
@DevilsEyeCT
@DevilsEyeCT Жыл бұрын
How does it get power to track that in an ordinary DC layout would be dead?
@164DiecastVideos
@164DiecastVideos Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t defy physics. If the track is dead, the track is dead.
@tinplategeektoo
@tinplategeektoo Жыл бұрын
When using DC, the power is at maximum all the time hence the loco can work. If you put a normal DC loco on that track, it will shoot off in to the distance.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
yep whole layout needs power 👍
@michaelconnon
@michaelconnon Жыл бұрын
Can HM7000 decoders be used in non Hornby locomotives? As I’ve heard stories of them not functioning the way they should
@pierre-de-standing
@pierre-de-standing Жыл бұрын
I'm sure they would. Hornby would be foolish to cut off access to a broader market.
@stormbowman7148
@stormbowman7148 Жыл бұрын
Yes, of course they can.
@giz.ian.
@giz.ian. Жыл бұрын
does the £32 package include sound ?
@Cloudman572
@Cloudman572 Жыл бұрын
No
@PaulGarwood
@PaulGarwood Жыл бұрын
Can this be used on a laptop with a touch screen?
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
No iOS only and Android soon (hopefully) but I don't think there are plans for a PC version.
@PaulGarwood
@PaulGarwood Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Can anyone recommend a suitable iPad for this?
@user-ib6rx2jf6h
@user-ib6rx2jf6h Жыл бұрын
A good video Simon. However, there is a considerable cost to those who would need to buy a new smartphone (with Bluetooth)!
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
a cheap iPhone 8 ebay special will do the job 😀
@PaulMJStone
@PaulMJStone Жыл бұрын
I think they said up to 5 years old hardware.
@user-ib6rx2jf6h
@user-ib6rx2jf6h Жыл бұрын
The cheapest iphone 8, new (probably been out on a shelf somewhere) and unused is £136.99. I rarely buy used noways as often there are problems. For some, new and 'I used it for a while' are the same thing! The cheapest ipad (2021) on Amazon is £329.99. I have two Galaxy S IIs. One that I use regularly and is in pristine condition, the other is 'as new' and will take over from the other when the electronics fail. I do not really want or need another smartphone.
@stevesouthwick4211
@stevesouthwick4211 Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon would I be able to use my mobile phone to use this system as I do the hm6000
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Yes, should work fine 👍🏼
@stevesouthwick4211
@stevesouthwick4211 Жыл бұрын
@@SimonsShed thanks Simon
@mydashcam4644
@mydashcam4644 Жыл бұрын
Its a game changer for hornby, once they got people using it they will switch to a subscription model. You will end up paying a monthly fee to use the app or access sounds / features. If you think this won't happen, ask yourself why would they not do it.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
Think it would be difficult to charge now theyve given it away....time will tell! 👍
@aronvirginas
@aronvirginas Жыл бұрын
"once they got people using it they will switch to a subscription model" Since the decoders are NMRA compliant and fully support DCC they can't really lock you into their system -- that's the whole idea behind standards. If you want to use, let's say, a Roco Z21 controller to control your TXS locos on your layout, there is literally nothing Hornby can do to stop you. The only thing you cannot do without Hornby's app is loading sounds onto the decoder -- but that is essentially the same with all sound decoders. Moreover, with other manufacturers, you also need dedicated hardware, not only an app: you need a LokProgrammer to load sounds onto an ESU decoder, an MXULFA to load sounds onto a Zimo decoder, a Piko SmartProgrammer to load sounds onto Piko decoders, etc. So by some measure Hornby's solution will actually be more accessible and user friendly.
@mydashcam4644
@mydashcam4644 Жыл бұрын
@Áron Virginás-Tar I understand the standards and won't be locked in. But I think they will expand the app and need funding to do that. I would like to have seen them release a new controller like the elite but with option to control via Bluetooth. This would mean you can control any chip via the app.
@stevewilliams1054
@stevewilliams1054 Жыл бұрын
Sound good but won't you need a device for each loco if you want to run more than one loco at a time on the same layout? You need to purchase another device if you only have a phone. Come and play but don't forget your smartphone or tablet.
@SimonsShed
@SimonsShed Жыл бұрын
you can add 9999 locos to 1 phone 👍
@mygreatbigfoot1679
@mygreatbigfoot1679 Жыл бұрын
I’m going somewhere i can get the abbreviations decoded. Feel like i’m the outsider in a schoolyard of teenage boys talking in insider code.
@PaulBriden
@PaulBriden Жыл бұрын
If you would have left this connected to the Gaugemaster controller that most people use, it would have crackled, packed up and then smoked. In my view you have soft soaped this. It says on the box TRI-MODE, it is not. You have not gone through all the Hornby controllers that there are issues with which they list in there own pdf. I guess you have covered what you are doing with this, however, not everyone will have your scenario. These decoders are smoking out all the time, not just for me, the carpet kid too and many others. The bottom line is if you pay £60.00 for the Hornby power supply you will be fine, however, if this is all you can afford then you cannot run anything else but HM7000. Hornby are no closer to solving the problems with this decoder which suggests it is hardware more than software (It has been 3 weeks plus now). The surprising thing is the Hornby TTS decoders run superbly in both analogue and Digital which considering both products come from the same company I find a little strange. Even using digital power while not blowing up, there are other issues too with this. Again, you have covered what you set out to achieve, however, people in my opinion should look at all the other reviews before purchasing. A small caveat, if any on here reading this have a Hornby HM2000 controller and think this will be great, it is Hornby, it is compatible, well, think on, Hornby say on page 16-17 of their pdf there are issues using this controller. Your videoing of your phone screen is superb, crystal clear with no reflections.
@stephenlittle7534
@stephenlittle7534 Жыл бұрын
I can see folk are going out to find some old phones and see if the app works on them. And you could just keep each train with it own phone .
@olivermiles6858
@olivermiles6858 Жыл бұрын
No need, there is no limits per device, so you can pair all decoders to one phone.
@Jimyjames73
@Jimyjames73 Жыл бұрын
I'll think I'll just stick to analogue - SIMPLES!!! 😄😉🚂🚂🚂
@rowdyperson6393
@rowdyperson6393 Жыл бұрын
It may be low cost but this is to draw people in. At some stage Hornby shall be charging people a subscription charge to cover the cost of the system at Hornby. Bluetooth is not free as the infrastructure needs to be looked after at the base of the system which will be at Hornby
@Madonsteamrailways
@Madonsteamrailways Жыл бұрын
You’re giving me good information, but with the sound chip turned up you’re inaudible!!
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