Might want to do something about the first 8 minutes where the wife just smiles and nods in silence - perhaps a solo rules explanation would work better? Then also, since she is introduced as themes expert it might be nice to hear her talk about the theme and not just mechanics.

That is fair. I'm excited for it because my roommate has Wingspan, so I haven't been able to justify getting it but also don't feel comfortable playing his game solo or with others, so I'm so happy that Wyrmspan is coming out because I can justify getting it.

There are so many board games out, that we can't play them all. No one has that much time. So even when games don't have direct comparables, they're still competing for the same time and space. It's great that some people will enjoy Wyrmspan, and it's also ok that people won't when it's not appealing to them, or their playgroup prefers other games in the same spot for any number of reasons.

I'm fairly similar regarding Wingspan. Though for me, I think I will prefer the real world bird theme.

yeah, I am curious if this version is less fun for engine building and more fun for people who like tallying points through a less random more complex puzzle the game presents to you. Will really come down to how restrictive it feels and how powerful the engines can get to possibly work around these new restrictions.

Got the feeling that this won't get tabled as casual/couples game like Wingspan. Boardgamegeek scores are not looking too hot at the moment, either.

It'll obviously be subjective, as every game tries to improve on previous games and mechanics, even if they aren't spinoffs. I'd offer you might prefer Wingspan if: you prefer birds, you prefer that art style, you want a game closer to "entry level" weight, and if you prefer more focus on the engine-building aspects of the game. Wyrmspan obviously has engine-building, but I'd say it has a bit more focus on combos and sequencing (which is signature to the designer's style). Also, Wingspan has a lot of expansions people like, and obviously, Wyrmspan does not at this time, so you don't have any modules like the Wingspan Asia 2-player specific items.

That's an important aspect for me as well. It would be a great game for me and my significant other but only if it's legit at a 2p count.

Personally looks like similar games but different gameplay. I think wingspan definitely still is entitled to a spot on the shelf.

Not sure of your gaming/local situation, but there will be a lot of copies in the world, so you can probably find a chance to get a game in with friends, at a local game store, or at a Con or event. There are no KS-style exclusives, and Stonemaier continually reprints their game, so you don't need to rush to any decision.

Stonemaier games website 31 Jan

It opens for retail sales in March or you can order direct from Stonemeier next week

Yeah! I love flamecrafts art style, but haven't picked it up because the game doesn't seem like my cup of tea. I would love to see it on a game I like more

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Exactly my thought! I second that.

I too prefer real world educational theme/content in games. Wingspan's art is beautiful.

Birds are evil and hate me. I have been attacked by far too many birds in my lifetime. Never been attacked by a dragon so dragons > birds.

@@rexology_bg if thats the way you wanna look at it lol.

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I would not play one vs another just for the theme… Wyrmspan have just “more” than Winsgpan. For someone which is not super fan of familiar games, there is no sense in chosing Winsgpan justo for “birds x Dragons” the games is much more evolved.

Yeah, I don't understand how anyone could like something that you don't since you're the Center of the Universe and you're the one that gets to decide what's good or not. Everyone should clearly have the same opinions as you do.

@nicholasschneider6655 agreed! My thoughts exactly! There are so many fantasy games with made up creatures. Birds in Wingspan are amazing too look at and learn about.

Crazy, that some people might care about a mechanically more sound game. Yes, I like birds but I could only consider buying Wingspan if I just wanted to look at the pictures because it is mechanically flawed as hell.

@RaK0 can you be more specific in short about what you find mechanically so flawed as hell in Wingspan? I played more than 50 games of it, and I do see some flaws for me, but those are relatively slight problems easily rectified with easy simple houserules(even though I play without them because I only play digitally so it's not possible for me to houserule it). I personally see "flawed" or "bad" mechanics in almost all the games, more often than not. And basically every game I do own(which is not nearly as many as I do want to own) I houserule some part of them when I play them(with my family, which is my "gaming group"). It's basically impossible for me to be 100% behind all of the game parts, in any game. There is always something for me worthwhile houseruling some part of every game I play. If I had it phyisically I would houserule Wingspan to give me more options on cards and foods, to reduce the luck factor and put more emphasize on options to mitigate luck, and to also discourage/disable such easy and boring "egg-spamming" strategy which unfairly overshadow the main point of this game for me: searching for powerful birds I like and enticing("building") them with required food. Food is at the beginning very hard to come by and I always find myself having slow start and feel like I am wasting my turns getting one food at a time. Especially even when you can take two food without additional cost, you mist get lucky to get those foods you really need badly. Unless I immediately(ASAP) build 2 birds in the forest, which isn't always possible if you get unlucky with the card draw, and it almost excludes all the other strategies in the beginning from being worthwhile and winning(though it's possible and I do win, with over 80 and sometimes 90 points, that way). Having to always play at least two birds first in the first round, in order to get the engine for food to the point that other actions are worthwhile at all. That my problem with the food, and from what I see also the problem with egg-strategy, seems to be resolved within mechanics of this new game Wyrmspan. For that I am especially interested in trying this new game. Even though I first need to try Oceania expansion for Wingspan, which is said to resolve the egg-strategy (and even food problem). Otherwise I love the mechanics. I love building(enticing) birds and running my engine with those builds (even many tines in a row - I don't consider that a negative or the flaw, as some do, because that's what I was working towards and I am responsible for, unlike egg strategy which doesn't involve any planing, just playing any birds in the plains row and laying egs whole last round because building birds isn't worthwhile/efficient compared to points gained through egs, especially since you need to discard egs to build birds). I was mainly commenting above(or I meant to at least) on the theme, not the mechanics. Realistic beautiful theme seems to me more worthwhile than "generic" fantasy of made up creatures. But that's how I see it, my opinion and taste, so... I hope you answer. I am interested to find out what are all the problems you have with Wingspan.