Masked you gotta give your money for a egg man vs the DBS verse
@AlriaGonzela Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 EEG man is scrambled egg if he fought against DBS verse💀
@MaskedReaper20 Жыл бұрын
@borutardfan nah, he would mass producing cell max
@bonepawn1644 Жыл бұрын
@@AlriaGonzela man, eggman has 12D strength and survived something stronger than the source of super forms
@danielendless Жыл бұрын
I like how Sonic chills out at maybe Planet level then inexplicably jumps to Complex Multiversal with one transformation
@KeybladeWielder100 Жыл бұрын
Friendship, my guy
@wannerubg2686 Жыл бұрын
He isnt palnetary at base tho he atleast high universel if you see sonic arabien nights you will see
@IloveStarr Жыл бұрын
How is Sonic Planetary if he even beat a Planetary character? Its not like stats are relative to each other in Sonic like it is in DB, Sonic defeating something with weak durability doesnt exactly make him Planetary, Im not the best at scaling but this guy scales so weirdly, if I defeat a slow ass Mike Tyson whos as durable as a baby with bone cancer then does that make me Prime Mike Tyson level? And why does he just outright ignore the fact Kid Goku is Planetary level? Its so strange to me how he just ignores the giant ass holes in his scaling while also ignoring Gokus feats or scaling, its also notable that even Super Sonic could not defeat a Planetary being in frontiers as it was outright stated, so with all this negative feats, why does he just ignore these glaringly obvious holes?
@gabrielmachado1247 Жыл бұрын
That is why Hyper Sonic only appeared in one Game,why the fuck would you need more power?
@sonicwithglasses131 Жыл бұрын
base sonic isnt planet level at all, gens literally boots this man atleast unviversal
@redman10 Жыл бұрын
My favorite sonic scaling channel
@MaskedReaper20 Жыл бұрын
Ikr
@TheCanineContrarian Жыл бұрын
You should also check out SaiyanScholar he delivers amazing content as well
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Masked really made six a sonic scaling channel
@ohhellwhereami2574 Жыл бұрын
@@TheCanineContrarian yes he is both good at sonic and dragon ball
@jkjordon1 Жыл бұрын
And for some reason, mario fans think that mario can solo goku and sonic with the white toonoki suit?
@bigbangrafa8435 Жыл бұрын
Chaos Energy seems to be arguably the most broken source of power in fiction. Like, to go from base Sonic to Super Sonic is like going from an obese and jobless reddit moderator to Soul King-absorbed Yhwach Bach in a few seconds, you can't make this shit up.
@TheOrcKatari Жыл бұрын
It truly is. The original concept of the Super form was to be a reward for the player for taking the effort of going for completion by collecting the 7 Chaos Emeralds, like it's telling us: "great job, here, for your hard work YOU BECOME GOD for the final stomp". And it's great
@gabrielmachado1247 Жыл бұрын
And the fact that is canon that Sonic CAN grow in power fast enough to surpass or at least match previous super forms with generations where he fought enemies that he previously needed a super form to even have a chance (perfect Gaia,and the biolizard),so you could Argue that current Sonic is stronger than 06 super Sonic,maybe even unleashed super Sonic,why? Because A,he already had +6 months of getting power thanks to fórces,and all the stuff inbetween this Game and frontiers (team Sonic Racing,the IDW comics and stuff) And then,in frontiers Sonic gets a "potential unleashed" treatment in frontiers thanks to the hermit and Elder kocos,like if level 1 Sonic in frontiers,is already kind of superior to forces Sonic,then what the heck is level 99 Sonic?,hell the end powered Sonic Up along the adventure with various tecniques,so Sonic becoming stronger in frontiers is pretty much canon
@Rathalos2428 Жыл бұрын
Also- according to Sonic Team when making the Classic Era, Chaos Energy on its own is Omnipresent, and acts as an Super-Substance that gives energy to everything within Sonic's Universe before the Universe was later opened up into an vast and open-ended Cosmology. Super Sonic literally can never run out of Chaos Energy if just siphoning it from the Air while the Emeralds have the same energy magnified by an infinite fold. Sort of the reason why why 1 Emerald can just stop Space-Time while 2x Emeralds just manipulate Concepts freely such as Time Travel paradox-free.
@Constantly_stroking_my_meat Жыл бұрын
Not really, things like plot manipulation, mathematical manipulation etc do that just better Correct me if I'm wrong but that would be a source of power right?
@nabihatibrahim5220 Жыл бұрын
@@TheOrcKatariChaos energy: OP power source. Omnitrix: OP gadget.
@joshjones1727 Жыл бұрын
It’s bizarre seeing someone scale sonic properly after death battle had Mario beat him. They honestly had no idea what they were talking about
@tiktokcompilations797 Жыл бұрын
Right they downplayed him and Archie sonic
@thatitalianlameguy2235 Жыл бұрын
Mario is pretty fucking op too tho, luigi and him beat a reality warping bowser and a satanic star, and a bunch of demigods and eldritch creatures if counting paper mario
@ahmadkazan5473 Жыл бұрын
@Thatitalianlameguy when nintendo characters aren't used as a way to please fans after losses like knuckles vs dk and sonic vs Mario they are quite the underrated underdogs.
@MagnificantSasquatch Жыл бұрын
My guy, I'm sorry, but nine times out of ten, Mario claps Sonic. He's reacted to faster and has on a multitude of occasions been shown to be able to anticipate and avoid attacks executed in frozen time. Let me repeat that: Mario can read and preemptively dodge attacks that are performed _when time _*_isn't moving._* That kind of reaction time is almost as ludicrous as Popeye being able to occupy two places at once and fight himself. Not being as fast as Sonic doesn't even _matter_ at that stage, and he's got him outclassed in strength, experience and versatility by default. Couple that with a vastly larger arsenal and more continuous and regular cosmic feats, and it's in the bag. Hell, Mario survived being sucked into the epicenter of a supermassive black hole that destroyed the universe, followed by a new big bang. Mario was in ground zero of the death and rebirth of existence, _and he was fine._ That's not even the RPGs, that is a mainline platformer feat.
@jayson.win231 Жыл бұрын
@@MagnificantSasquatch hate to break to you but the second sonic goes into his super form its over for mario
@AbandonedStarSystem Жыл бұрын
I think an important thing to note about Modern Sonic is that he beat Perfect Chaos in base, and he needed Super Sonic to beat him in Adventure, which either implies Perfect Chaos is weaker now for some reason or Sonic got a Super Form level increase from Adventure to Generations. Edit: Rip the editor lmao
@Rathalos2428 Жыл бұрын
One cool detail supports your latter hypothesis which is Sega insistence on "Sonic gets stronger with every game" going back to the Classic Era where they insisted by Sonic 2, Sonic has gone faster than ever than during Sonic 1. This can be seen as physical growth, but later on in the series, it's just stated Sonic when serious just has endless amount of growth that can be amount to getting 2x stronger with every minute which already is broken when stacking with limitless speed and Sonic somehow able to amp that up since the Classic Era.
@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy Жыл бұрын
He also beat emerl who not only had all the emeralds, every character in the games battle data (meaning he was basically a super sonic, shadow, amy, knuckIes, etc) but he beat him in base and in 30 seconds.
@zelz3011 Жыл бұрын
But can you really scale Perfect Chaos to some of these other threats or was Super Sonic just that much over Perfect Chaos or that version of Super Sonic and thus Sonic say got strong enough later to beat a PErfect Chaos who sort of didn't compare to later threats?
@ClairvoyantDreams358 Жыл бұрын
Sonic has stupid accelerated development.
@UltraVelocity14 Жыл бұрын
When sonic fought infinite in a rematch and sonic beat him infinite asked how did he become so strong and sonic says he grows every second so sonic’s potential is insane
@HomeNuke Жыл бұрын
THIS is how vs battle videos should be made. Snappy editing, solid tracks, factual statements,counter-arguements. Great work Six. Genuinely entertaining and informative
@HomeNuke Жыл бұрын
Heh. Nice
@VarietyCastle9 ай бұрын
Counter-arguments especially
@EndMisery Жыл бұрын
0:00 - Tekken Tag Tournament 2 Piano Intro Massive Mix 1:35 - Tekken Tag Tournament Ending Music 4:01 - Sonic Unleashed - Windmill Isle (Day) 6:23 - Tekken 6 OST: Electric Fountain (Karma) 8:49 - Tekken: Dark Resurrection - Hall of Fate 14:48 - Undertale OST - Another Medium 22:56 - Dragon Ball FighterZ OST Cell's Theme 27:54 - Guilty Gear Strive - Smell Of The Game (Main Theme)
@divine8405 Жыл бұрын
You are a goat 🙏
@Ashdynater553 Жыл бұрын
The music 😌👌
@truespeed8699 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙏
@LavaCreeperPeople Жыл бұрын
damn
@theyetti90 Жыл бұрын
Why are you the MVP, right now, sir?❤️
@LuciferArc1 Жыл бұрын
Sonic having space time erasure resistance actually makes sense because if he didn't have that resistance, everytime he would move faster than space time, his atomic structure would probably be burned up
@ka_killers2088 Жыл бұрын
It really doesn’t flash is sad to be faster and he still can’t resistance getting deleted from reality so that’s just bs
@ka_killers2088 Жыл бұрын
Then I’m trying to figure of why people still debating when sonics creator said he can’t beat goku 💀💀 dude said this a awhile ago yet KZfaqrs still be trying to over rule it like it’s they character and they know better then the creator
@thegoldenb7280 Жыл бұрын
@@ka_killers2088 the comic writer doesn’t realize how strong he made Sonic. In other words, he sucks at powerscaling his own verse.
@mukuroikusaba7347 Жыл бұрын
@@ka_killers2088 why are you so butthurt over a cartoon hedgehog vs an martial arts alien
@ka_killers2088 Жыл бұрын
@@mukuroikusaba7347 butt hurt? Please don’t try to read people emotions thru a phone screen you makes you look stupid.
@justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313 Жыл бұрын
Sonic's feats become a bit more impressive when you realize that Sonic took a beating multiple times in Sonic and the Black Knight while trying to fight the Dark Queen in his base form while wielding Caliburn. Even after Caliburn *shattered in two* Sonic was still willing to fight back no matter what, which eventually resulted in the lost power of Excalibur returning causing Caliburn's broken remains and Sonic himself to power up into Excalibur and Excalibur Sonic respectively after the three Sacred Swords were used to assist Sonic. Adding on to that, the game prior in the Storybook duology, Sonic and the Secret Rings has Sonic facing up against and then *defeating* Erazor Djinn, the Genie of the Lamp, *while at death's door* thanks to the Flame of Judgement Erazor originally tried to cast at Shahra and is constantly *draining his LIFE FORCE* and *is almost GONE* by the time he uses the White World Ring of Wishes to open the doors to the Night Palace and was most likely fading away even more while running through the floating palace considering Sonic half jokingly asks Erazor to add a bit more to the Flame of Judgement still stuck on his chest. Adding even more on top that, Sonic once got infected with the Metal Virus, a liquid metallic substance that turns any and all living things into machines. During a scuffle with two Zombots (a term coined by Sonic) Sonic himself was infected while fighting them and unfortunately kept making it worse by fight more and more Zombots head on. He was able to his speed to run off the infection, but eventually it was starting to fail after multiple physical contacts with Zombots and he could only hold it back at that rate. Eventually at the final issue of the Zombot arch Sonic almost fully succumbs to the Metal Virus only for Sonic to turn Super and literally burn it off and with the help of Super Silver and another reality warping gem known as the Warp Topaz, sends every last ounce of the Metal Virus to the f*cking Sun but unfortunately Sonic winds up in the Sol Dimension for an undisclosed amount of time. And before anyone tries to correct me saying the events that take place in the IDW Sonic comics aren't canon, Sonic makes a reference to the comics by mentioning Tangle the Lemur, an IDW Sonic character and the IDW Sonic comics follow the same events as the games as the previously mentioned Tangle first appeared in issue 4 of the IDW Sonic comics which follows the aftermath of Sonic Forces, a mainline entry in the Sonic franchise. (Sticks the Badger is also mentioned in the ending.) And also, Tangle and Whisper (another IDW Sonic character) appear in Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces: Speed Battle as playable characters. Also, never piss Sonic off. Dude broke the *sound barrier FOUR TIMES in a ROW* in issue 42 all because The Deadly Six thought they were clever with attacking Restoration HQ while no one strong or capable enough was around. If Sonic didn't know how to control his speed I'm pretty sure The Deadly Six would just be The Dead Six because I shutter to think about what the impact of the force behind Sonic would be like after he stopped moving.
@gamingwithjay9728 Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget about escaping null space
@ulquiorracifer__ Жыл бұрын
Right and for people who throw the “ it’s not canon” sonic mentions both story book games in both generations and frontiers
@justsomesimplenuclearbirbs4313 Жыл бұрын
@@gamingwithjay9728 That's true, but was with the help of the Avatar character via Double Boost. But that being said, Double Boost itself technically first appeared in Generations 3DS at the end of the Time Eater fight when both Super Sonics combined their powers to unleash the stronger Boost which completely obliterates any attacks the Time Eater sends to the hedgehogs. Even though Classic Sonic never learned the Boost itself until the ending of the game. The positions of Classic Super Sonic and Modern Super Sonic even match up with the Double Boost positions the Avatar and Modern Sonic are in during the technique! And considering neither Classic Sonic or the Avatar character have the Boost in their moveset, even though it was teased that Classic Sonic might have some variation of the Boost in the teaser reveal trailer and both iterations of Classic Sonic (Console/PC & 3DS) learn the Homing Attack in Generations regardless of which version you're playing, it might be possible Sonic can share the Chaos Energy he uses to Boost with other people who interact with him or help him out. I mean, in both Sonic Heroes and Sonic The Hedgehog (2006) Super Sonic transfers Chaos Energy to Tails and Knuckles in Heroes and Shadow and Silver in '06 to allow the respective duos to go Super. Although in the case Tails and Knuckles they gain odd Shields that mimic what the Super Transformation is like.
@TheLarryDungeon Жыл бұрын
@@ulquiorracifer__ And typically in a DRAGONBALL debate, these are the same people who will use non-canon feats and/or characters when they feel they are losing a debate
@Eldoofus Жыл бұрын
"The Dead Six" ohmygod that's funny
@manwhodoesthings Жыл бұрын
Also, fun thing to note; Archie Comics sonic can be measured to have immeasurable speed as during the Mega Man crossover, time was stopped and sonic was still able to move, similar to sonic generations' "white space" and the whole not having time thing.
@SuzukiCabs Жыл бұрын
Immeasurable*
@KHloreExpert Жыл бұрын
Easy mistake regarding terminology: Infinite Speed: Can travel an infinite distance in any amount of time. Inaccessible Speed: Can move even when time is stopped or otherwise completely absent.
@joeda900 Жыл бұрын
That was Sonic Man against Flash Man not the actually Sonic so I don't know if it scales
@saltygibus5746 Жыл бұрын
@@joeda900 That was a robotized Sonic, so it should count.
@ether2788 Жыл бұрын
@@joeda900 that was sonic
@thedebatemasterАй бұрын
never have i ever thought i'd see someone actually do a "Can they beat Goku?" conversation and they aren't completely losing
@AzathothJunior Жыл бұрын
The amount of work that has been put in this video makes me realize that we don’t deserve six, he’s just the GOAT when it comes to these types of videos
@pipsqueack Жыл бұрын
Bars.
@AFed69 Жыл бұрын
bro said kid buu was stronger then buuhan and that he destroyed a galaxy in an instant though 🫠
@Freakingbad89 Жыл бұрын
We know he had help from he who shall not be named.
@Jotenks Жыл бұрын
@@AFed69 kid buu is stronger tho ☠️
@grimreaper15 Жыл бұрын
@@AFed69 Kid Buu was more "dangerous" because of his being pure evil, not stronger but he is right about Kid Buu having the power to destroy a galaxy in an instant, it was stated many times that the universe would be destroyed if they lost.
@limboxz1279 Жыл бұрын
15:10 he still managed to diss ichigo 😂😭
@anthony2K2008 Жыл бұрын
This man really doesn't like Ichigo 😂
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
I mean is he wrong i think that attack would eradicate Ichigo aizen black box only disrupt it and grim also did the same time while that attack straight up erases or tears it apart
@hypotrain Жыл бұрын
It's over...
@IchigoTheQuincy Жыл бұрын
When he was talking about the egg man robot in round one he put in quotes that it “bullies the soul society” 💀😂
@ath477 Жыл бұрын
What did ichigo do 😂
@memeemporer11 Жыл бұрын
Yugi: human level strength Yugi: "I believe in the heart of the cards and my friends" Yugi: *bench presses galaxies*
@xavierlehew6746 Жыл бұрын
I love when Six talks about scaling outside the naruto verse. Dude is most knowledgeable on Naruto of course but its cool seeing him scale other verses
@donavanfrea6768 Жыл бұрын
It's criminal how under utilized Hyper Sonic is. I remember the exhilaration I got when I first achieved this form playing Sonic as a kid. Only to be let down that it never came back or at least to my knowledge it hasn't
@PonderedSwine Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it was only mande because of the fact that Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3 being separate games, so that they could have a reason for the players to collect the chaos emeralds in both games
@donavanfrea6768 Жыл бұрын
@@PonderedSwine Whatever the reason it was pure genius
@christopherford39 Жыл бұрын
@donavanfrea6768 and with update 3 of Frontiers coming soon, there is a chance Hyper can return.
@lukasruston8618 Жыл бұрын
@@christopherford39 Pretty sure the director for the game said that Hyper isn't coming back (didn't say why, probably because of the massive power increase that they wouldn't realistically be able to fit well into the story) BUT they did say that they wanted to give Sonic some new kind of form soon... so a possible Cyberspace-powered form could be happening.
@donezmoss428111 ай бұрын
@@lukasruston8618Love the fact you basically predicted new Sonic Frontier events for the new update without realizing it lol, and in all seriousness I don’t think Hyper Sonic should even be battle applicable for Sonic anymore simply due to the fact since its officially stated never being able to come back into the series, and even making sure they made up lore event to not be able to return because they’re in another place entirely, more than shows imo this form was a one off thing in the classic run and shouldn’t even be canon let alone scaled and calculated since its a boost too large to even be consistent for Sonic lore, and plus I like Sonic’s new Cyber Space Super Form anyway, its boost is kinda massive in its own right, despite us not truly knowing what it brings to the table, but hey at least its canon and can be used ☠️(even tho it might be a one off form)
@justinjumariburner Жыл бұрын
feels good to be a huge sonic fan
@songohan7171 Жыл бұрын
You really believe that sonic can beat Goku 😂😂😂 white people I swear
@GFGoku Жыл бұрын
@OzSkeeOz Fr
@sonicmanic2556 Жыл бұрын
@OzSkeeOz Sonic would easily destroy Goku then since the only major power boost Goku would have is Kaio-Ken and he can't use that for prolonged periods nor is it anywhere close to the level of Super Saiyan.
@Best_Ship_Ever Жыл бұрын
@OzSkeeOz Hyper Sonic = UI lol
@datonebigguy Жыл бұрын
@@Best_Ship_Ever Nah Super Sonic is actually enough to beat MUI Goku
@theoneandonlyflameeye Жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention one thing about the Emerl feat. Emerl has also absorbed all 7 Chaos Emeralds over the course of Sonic Battles story, so during the time Emerl and Sonic fight, Emerl has the power of the Chaos Emeralds and the excess energy of the supposedly multi-star level Final Egg Blaster, and Sonic beat him in 30 seconds.
@Oreo_166 Жыл бұрын
He literally mentioned the feat in this video ☠️
@theoneandonlyflameeye Жыл бұрын
@@Oreo_166 I meant the whole 7 chaos emeralds in emerl theme
@AVAgustusCeaser Жыл бұрын
Didn't he also copy everyone's skills including Sonics ?
@KotalaGod9 ай бұрын
@@AVAgustusCeaser yes, full power emerl has access to every single skill available in the game, meaning he can perfectly replicate everyones fighting style.
@gabrielmachado12477 ай бұрын
Well,Prime Now being after Advance 3 makes Sonic Having Low Battle Skill kind of Null,because afterward we can see he clearly Got Waaaaay better
@Talesofaweedsmoker Жыл бұрын
Sonic's potential for growth is insane. Sonic has grown so strong so fast man.
@datonebigguy Жыл бұрын
exactly bro
@ImHeggHogg Жыл бұрын
honestly you could say the same for goku, both of them grow at an extremely fast rate
@Rathalos2428 Жыл бұрын
@@ImHeggHogg I would enjoy to compare notes and details on both their growths, but one glaring difference is Goku during Long Fights has to conserve stamina to keep using Ki Attacks and Forms while Sonic.. has no cap on his stamina in normal situations including fighting as Sonic spends his game just staying awake non-stop to even without food depending on perspective.
@glauberbispo8922 Жыл бұрын
@@ImHeggHogg sonic has more potential, he fight caos a first time and was needed super sonic to beat it. Months later soni fight with him again and beat it without need super sonic goku has more than 40 years old, sonic has only 26
@StevenJones851 Жыл бұрын
Sonic's Growth is impressive
@AscendedAwakeningAstral Жыл бұрын
16:27 who knew heart soul n friendship can make u a 6th dimensional tier power🤔
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Persona and kingdom hearts
@aidenreed680 Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 facts
@LuciferArc1 Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 people think manga, comic, and anime characters be busted but I swear video game characters are something else
@kingrippzard2027 Жыл бұрын
@@gameuniverse5973 I remember learning Persona scaling. Shits wild man.
@bichoestranhocomcaudas6543 Жыл бұрын
Sora from kingdom hearts be like:
@ragequitgaming2795 Жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that Emerl was also being powered by the 7 chaos emeralds, which merge entire universes together with the sol emeralds. Making Base Modern Sonic arguably Universal + as a highball. He also defeats Perfect Chaos in base who would scale to this as well in base.
@EnriqueMirano Жыл бұрын
He isn't using them to their full reality warping capabilities tho, just as a power source, which means he should have enough energy to split the planet apart with ease and destroy stars
@udonnauchegbu2018 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you'll see this comment but it is important to note that the spin off games are canon to the main Sonic continuity based off of the comment made in Generations where he mentions several spin offs. There might be some scaling there that could upgrade Sonic.
@divine8405 Жыл бұрын
Magiaryworld was one of them which he mentions in the vid.
@jayscription6376 Жыл бұрын
You could say the same for both sides, like if we include some of the feats he didn’t mention like Goku shaking the void with his existence alone. Or sonic outrunning nullspace with someone with him
@Blueoney Жыл бұрын
@@jayscription6376 I don’t think those feats are canon cause goku never mentioned it again
@daseal1479 Жыл бұрын
Secret Rings has some OBUNGA level feats for Sonic, some of his most impressive of all time.
@divine8405 Жыл бұрын
@@daseal1479 yeah those are a whole nother "can of worms"
@Flugel_Halogen Жыл бұрын
I like how prime showed us that sonic only knows the most basic of fighting while relying more on his speed, while shadow has speed but also knows how to fight better and uses both to get the upper hand at first. This could give sonic a reason to actually learn how to fight from knuckles or even shadow himself later
@EarleTKG Жыл бұрын
When you can punch someone at mach speeds there’s really no need to learn to fight.
@jobi7651 Жыл бұрын
I haven't even watched Sonic Prime but dang
@devEdev1100 Жыл бұрын
Prime sonic seems much more immature so he's not the best version to go off of. Frontiers shows that sonic definitely know how to fight
@SonicSwift99 Жыл бұрын
@@devEdev1100 Not only Frontiers, but also Sonic Battle and Sonic the Fighters as well. And that one little segment in Forces where Sonic just beats the brakes off Zavok.
@ahmadkazan5473 Жыл бұрын
But looking at the games specifically secret rings base sonic there is arguably stronger than all 3 super hedgehogs in 06 which is were shadow and silver peak,being that strong really doesn't encourage learning fighting styles.
@unclephillymya Жыл бұрын
Bro I can’t believe that Six got paid THAT MUCH to do a Sonic video 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@gameuniverse5973 Жыл бұрын
Masked has that drug dealing money I swear
@dantemitsoyu977 Жыл бұрын
How much
@unclephillymya Жыл бұрын
@@dantemitsoyu977 idk I’m not Six
@Mok3yMokEy Жыл бұрын
@@dantemitsoyu977 Six said on stream that he’d do this video for like 1-3k can’t remember the exact amount.
@h8thegr8 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving Game Sonic his flowers. Although not as BUSTED as Archie Sonic, he can very much still hold his own against juggernauts.
@jamainegardner4193 Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna disagree with the Modern Base Sonic rounds because there are scans for Erazor Djinn that put him at multi-universal with a weakened Sonic beating him. It also doesn't make sense to use Kid Buu destroying a galaxy for both a destructive capacity feat and a speed feat. It has to be either/or.
@SRUFUS3D Жыл бұрын
Sonic in base has demonstrated Universal - Multiversal scaling with Secret Rings, Black Knight and more. He has more Universal or higher feats in base than star level ones I'd argue. I'd argue end of DB Goku to planet to large planet too. Good video overall, Six.
@Rathalos2428 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention that Sonic R has shown the Emeralds are able and contain their own Universe's which contain no trace of physics, are potentially endless and just a fraction of the Emeralds power which the Classic Era has built Classic Sonic has having surpass the power of an Emerald by Sonic 2. The series is vastly underrated, just one thing that comes to mind would be rapid and monstrous jumps in power such as how Mania Sonic after going through Forces was undeterred and stalemate Classic Metal who was Amped on the Master Emerald.
@sonicandshadowsjunction Жыл бұрын
Maybe Sonic's got Universal and Multiversal Durability since in Base he survives hits from things like the Dark Queen (who most definitely is trying to kill him) and Time Eater (being Piloted by the Eggmen so it's most DEFINITELY trying to kill him), but I don't see it being for his AP.
@Rathalos2428 Жыл бұрын
@@sonicandshadowsjunction It was Sonic's AP when vastly weaken that did damage enough to basically blitz Erazor Djinn who was borderline close to Merlina's power by the end of the game without the World Rings.
@marcxworld5708 Жыл бұрын
You could easily scale base sonic in secret rings to high hyperversal+++ just with metaphysics and astral planes
@scurreith3667 Жыл бұрын
@@marcxworld5708and his speed as being immensely faster than Buu since it’s stated in Secret Rings and implied in Black Knight that after Sonic’s adventures concluded in those respective worlds, he ran between universes to get back home, which, uh… I think running between universes that all have trillions and trillions of galaxies is faster than Buu moving through a single galaxy in a second or so.
@HopefulBlue Жыл бұрын
More Star Wars, Sonic, and anything else you find interesting would be cool, I enjoy the in-depth explanations in your videos
@DJLegend16 Жыл бұрын
In the DBS anime, the hit timeskip statements are valid. The manga is the one that declares his timeskip doesn’t work really on people with higher strength. This isn’t the case in the anime as timeskip works even on SSBKK Goku later on and Hit is stated to not grow in actual strength at all. The timeskip shouldn’t even work nor the time cage at all against Jiren if the ki thing was just 100% valid. But I don’t think it changes much anyways
@kanewilson8624 Жыл бұрын
The timeskip still works on Goku, but since Goku has a higher PL it means that Goku has higher resistance to its effects. The higher pl you are than Hit the more resistance and then immunity you get
@DJLegend16 Жыл бұрын
@@kanewilson8624 in the anime that’s not indicated at all. I’ll agree it’s written very poorly in the anime, but the whole higher power so you get resistance thing just isn’t really prevalent there. Hits timeskip at its weakest was still too much for Vegeta and Vegeta states that Hit lacks strength. Goku had to develop a skill counter (that doesn’t make too much sense) but hey, he did what he did.
@sonicandshadowsjunction Жыл бұрын
Even if the Higher Power Level thing is how it works, it wouldn't really stop something like Chaos Control where it's shown to work on characters of equal strength. If Infinite's Phantom Clones are as strong as the originals as stated, then Shadow chaos controlling his clone and Sonic shows that their hax works regardless of strength so Goku's getting stopped regardless.
@jayscription6376 Жыл бұрын
@@sonicandshadowsjunction nah, people like guldo from early dbz could this and they still beat him.
@Rathalos2428 Жыл бұрын
@@jayscription6376 They only won from their Universe rules while Chaos Emeralds have shown complete control beyond the Multiverse such as repairing Dimensions/Universes that are not part of Sonic's Timeline such as the Sol Dimension, MaginaryWorld and White Space.
@brody_gg5342 Жыл бұрын
Hyper sonic is kind of hard to scale since we’ve only seen him once in s3&k. But I still agree he would slam goku
@gabrielmachado1247 Жыл бұрын
There is two ways of scaling hyper Sonic,either he is x7 times super Sonic,or he is the super Sonic of súper Sonic (As in,if base Sonic is a 1,and súper Sonic is 1.000,hyper Sonic would be 1.000.000)
@Rathalos2428 Жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmachado1247 I go by a mixture of both to be honest. The Super Emeralds would be the Super Form version of the Emeralds since we see Robots, and Animals able to become Super which would hint that the only thing left would be objects which make the Super Emeralds fall into that category. I say 1 Super Emerald = 7x Chaos Emeralds which makes it an odd number of Hyper Form being 49x stronger than Super Form. This comes from how Archie Series has an Super Emerald able to let one achieve a Super Form implying both are somewhat equal in power. My headcanon simply includes the Master Emerald as its own supplying the Super Emeralds which makes 50x Super Sonic. It may sound limited, but this would be an multiplier of infinite-stats such as how spin-dash takes Sonic to his peak speed but moves like Peel Out, Light-Speed Dash or Boost are several folds faster than the regular spin dash. Also, in canon example would be Metal Sonic who matches Sonic's limitless speed but uses Maximum V Overdrive to go 4x faster than Sonic; who can keep up with Peel Out which is an older technique that would be surpassed by Sonic's growth and later techniques like Light-Speed Dash and Boost.
@RadicalBoiChris Жыл бұрын
@@Rathalos2428 You can't really put a number on the chaos emeralds. They're stated that even a SINGULAIR chaos emerald has infinite power (that could either mean just infinite stats or just infinite power that could be withdrawn from) now imagine all 7. A singular super emerald is obviously stronger than the chaos emeralds combined, just imagine all 7 super emeralds.
@nubby4244 Жыл бұрын
@@RadicalBoiChris hyper
@nubby4244 Жыл бұрын
@@RadicalBoiChris i think its kinda like enerjack. your only as strong as your imagination. seeing as sonic is only known for kicks, he really don't be using the power of super other than for the huge power boost
@TDJTALKS Жыл бұрын
Just by a few seconds you can tell this video quality is amazing
@juliusnovachrono4370 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, this video is amazing. Especially, with regards to Sonic's scaling.
@nullxl1749 Жыл бұрын
This is only Videogame Sonic from what he had shown, so imagine how strong Archie Sonic would be if this Sonic is this strong
@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia Жыл бұрын
Archie Sonic 1 shots Goku. But if we're using Archie Sonic we also have to use Goku's other versions that 1 shot even Zeno and the Grand Priest. Hell, even Xeno Krillin 1 shots the Grand Priest and Zeno from the main timeline. And let's not bring out GFG, because he's 1 shotting Archie, since he's boundless and "above fiction" since he fused with a metaphysical version of the audience (which is all of us.) And as real people we're boundless.
@LightLemon. Жыл бұрын
@@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia I'm finna solo goku ong
@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia Жыл бұрын
@@LightLemon. No offense, but you would have to solo yourself, and every other human to solo GFG. Since he's part of all of us.
@LightLemon. Жыл бұрын
@@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia I would beat the shit out of myself. I do it on a daily basis.
@leticianeal91478 ай бұрын
@@Anti-Alphabet_Mafia Is God fusion Goku official, or is he fan made?
@phobikshiki Жыл бұрын
No way.. he ACTUALLY did it. Haven’t started watching yet but I’m impressed you were able to even get a video made on the topic💯
@CJ-D-GOAT Жыл бұрын
The answer to the question ive been waiting for since i was 5 😭
@Zenith_Nulls Жыл бұрын
what??
@ducksoup6986 Жыл бұрын
Cool video, had a lot of fun watching it. I do have some questions about the Buu Saga vs Modern Sonic section though. I haven't seen your other Sonic video, so if those answered my questions, I apologize in advance. 1. I remember Sonic beating Infinite by his lonesome about halfway through Forces, so would he still be amped by the power of friendship during that feat? It's not unheard of for Sonic to surpass previous versions of Super Sonic, we saw Generations Base Sonic defeat Perfect Chaos after all. 2. We've seen Sonic keep pace with space ships in Colors, so there's reason to believe he's faster that Dodon Pa's rocket ship that traveled in the quadrillions of times the speed of light. I know Buu saga characters can upscale from similar feats, but I figured it'd be worth bringing up. 3. You could argue immeasurable speed for Base Sonic since the CD guide you showed credits Sonic's speed for creating a time warp. You already talked about how "traveling through time and space" was metaphorical in Generations, but what about Sonic restoring time through speed? I'm not sure if I'd say that's just an ability since Sonic's speed is credited for the restoration, not any hax or special circumstance. I'm surprised you didn't mention Egg Reverie Zone and how its HUD timer was constantly jumping to different points in time, that'd at least scale to Super Sonic, but also Base Sonic since he only transformed after entering the zone. I understand inaccessible/immeasurable speed is weird for both Goku and Sonic since every piece of media featuring them shows time pass as they do things. But I suppose we can say the same thing for even lower speed scaling, like an MFTL+ Goku and Sonic would have no trouble crossing global distances in femtoseconds, yet the Broly Movie and Sonic Unleashed show them opting for plane travel instead. Same for many Attack Potency feats, even scaling both to Planetary levels would mean stomping a little hard would surface-wipe their worlds. Overall, the video was still good and I look forward to see what you make in the future.
@gamingwithjay9728 Жыл бұрын
Also, it is stated that every time Sonic finishes using the emerlds, he also gets a power boost.
@Tazmain.10 ай бұрын
Where?
@riymeep670810 ай бұрын
where was that stated?
@ariffirdaus53769 ай бұрын
comics as of right now
@ariffirdaus53769 ай бұрын
basically he fought a super form opposite version of himself, and he figured out since he got boosted upon depowring down from super form, that opposite version of him would do the opposite, so he tricked him to exit super form together and got the upper hand
@Tazmain.9 ай бұрын
@@ariffirdaus5376 in the idea comics
@grey4798 Жыл бұрын
I know im probably in the minority demographic content wise, but yo Six if you keep putting out Sonic videos i'll definitely come through and watch all of them. Also, id be curious to see how youd scale Archie Sonic in general. Nice vid bro, take care and have a good day
@KIDInuyasha96 Жыл бұрын
Bro. I'd watch like and share a video from Six on Archie Sonic's scaling any day. I never read any of the Sonic comics but I've seen video addressing the story, themes, and scaling. Sonic is beyond comprehension of how busted he is in that comic.
@thekillaboy8817 Жыл бұрын
@@KIDInuyasha96 Archie Sonic is a different beast, his feats are actually insane and I honestly don’t know what would be a good matchup for that Sonic cuz I think that version stomps Goku way harder
@KIDInuyasha96 Жыл бұрын
@TheKillaBoy 88 unless its like a cartoon character like popeye or spongebob where nothing can really defeat them since they are broken "gag" characters. I do agree no one i know could contend with that version of Sonic.
@KIDInuyasha96 Жыл бұрын
@MoloTurbo hahah probably but if it lets him throw more shade at the Bleach verse, I'm sure he wouldn't mind 😂
@thekillaboy8817 Жыл бұрын
@@KIDInuyasha96 bro really be dunking HARD on Bleach it’s funny asf though 😂
@ZeraVoltage Жыл бұрын
Love to see Sonic winning Let's Go🔥🤝🏾
@Tyler_Frenzy Жыл бұрын
Your videos and the effort and personality you put behind them are off the charts in therms of quality and enjoyment. So much so that Im able to watch a 30min video about 2 characters I find boring and couldn't care less about.
@dommydom8673 Жыл бұрын
you have no idea how long ive been thirsting for you to cover this. Ive never smiled so hard to seeing a video on my feed. I havent even watched the video but I know im gonna love it regardless. Six I love you so much you’re killing it. Please make more sonic related videos.
@springtrap360sniper4 Жыл бұрын
What an absolute banger of a video! I love seeing people who normally scale anime or other specific genres attempt to branch out into different verses, it's a nice change of pase and gives less frequently scaled verses some deserved spotlight.
@chaoticchaos2177 Жыл бұрын
I gotta disagree with Modern Vs Buu Saga Goku. Ian Flynn, already confirmed that White Space is an Aspatial and Atemporal realm. Even if you don't wanna give him that you didn't cover the Null Space feat. Sonic running fast enough to escape a Dimension that's closed off from other dimensions. And the Frontiers argument seems a bit odd to me. It's a game of course he's gonna be slower when you're playing as him, you don't wanna zoom out of bounds, and his speed has to be nerfed for gameplay. As for attack potency. The Phantom Ruby was stated to be Stronger than the Master Emerald in the Sonic Forces Prequel Comic. The Master Emerald is stronger than the Chaos Emeralds which can bring hopes, dreams, and wishes into reality, plus can bring a being like Solaris back to life, the same being that was destroying the concept of time and space. Infinite was stated by Sega to be stronger than the villains fought by Sonic before, Sonic beat Infinite in base which means in base Sonic should be Multiversal. Plus Sonic is also able to go to worlds where physics has different rules entirely (Special Zones) so that would be a 9th-dimensional feat already in the Classic Games. Plus you didn't mention that Sonic brought back the Entirety of his universe in Sonic Generations. Including timelines that were erased (IE Crisis City) Plus Dimensions like Special Stages and the Sol dimension just by running alone makes his speed insanely higher than Goku can do.
@dillado67 Жыл бұрын
Man Just write a bible 💀💀💀
@chaoticchaos2177 Жыл бұрын
@Dicko Lmao yeah I should 💀
@LavaCreeperPeople Жыл бұрын
sonic wins
@chaoticchaos2177 Жыл бұрын
@@LavaCreeperPeople yeah sonic does win lol
@sacredpower75305 ай бұрын
Would the rookie/your oc from Forces be a power house as well? Since they were able to solo Infinite
@EdgyTheHedgy891 Жыл бұрын
I could kinda make a point about base Sonic immesurable speed scaleing But it's kinda wage since it comes from a compearesing to an another character So there was this one time, when Takashi Idzuka (head of sonic team) stated that game Sonic could rival the comic book version of the flash in terms of speed And that's quite a speed scaling to say the list If we go with the high end and take Wally West - the fastest flash in the comic books, well this guy has quite an amount of feats like outruning the imbodiment of deth or outpasring teleportaithion, we could actually kinda scale the last one to Sonic since he defeated Shadow a lot of times, and Shadow is not only the second fastest character in canon but also casually uses telepirtaition and time manipulation in his fights We could also scale it to pre crisis superman who could travel in beetwen solar systems in a metter of seconds and from the flash rebearth we know that Barry Alen could otrun superman without breaking a swet and Wally is even faster than Barry, so we should at the wery list go way past kid Buu feats in terms of speed You could find calculations on Wally West's top speed on the doctor comics chanel (not an ad or anithing) for exampel, and it's a big number to say the list, I honestly don't think even Whis could move that fast So yeah you could kinda scale game Sonic to all of this, but only if you take that one statement from Idzuka as 100% canon Also in sonic advance 2 and sonic rush Sonic opened portals to special stages, which are in another dimensions, useing his speed, which should be at least a 4d speed feat Also this comment is way longer then I thought it woudl be, I'm sorry, I'm just kinda into power and speed scaling and I could get carried away sometimes
@hajimemightflex5185 Жыл бұрын
that grammar tho 😭
@EdgyTheHedgy891 Жыл бұрын
@@hajimemightflex5185 sorry English is not my native language and I didn't have a lot of practice lately
@hajimemightflex5185 Жыл бұрын
@@EdgyTheHedgy891 ah ok
@BattleBrotherCasten Жыл бұрын
My question is- Sonic has all the speed, but how much power would his attacks actually have against Goku? No matter how fast you are getting hit by Jiren would be WAY worse than getting punched by Sonic..I mean look at those noodle arms😂
@VBandanna-yv7oc9 ай бұрын
@@BattleBrotherCasten people are probably going to throw the whole momentum thing at you to make up for the fact that he's 3 foot tall and and extremely small body mass
@sucka_punch-2000 Жыл бұрын
Great video man! Huge DB fan, even bigger Goku fan, and I've heard people say Sonic can beat Goku. Never argued against it, but I never knew why. This broke everything down wonderfully!
@MatthewJamesKalasky Жыл бұрын
I'll admit, I wasn't really expecting Sonic to be THAT powerful.
@PxIarix Жыл бұрын
The craziest part is, Archie sonic (which is the comic version) is this strong in his base form and can scale up to outerversal with his super and ultra forms.
@justafaze5695 Жыл бұрын
this was alot more interesting than i thought it will be
@KidWithAMagicSword7 ай бұрын
So my bias for who would win between my childhood favourite anime character and childhood favourite game character was right??? But fr, this was a great matchup. The statements and counter-arguments all felt very factual and the scaling was top notch. Keep it up, Six. 👍
@LaymoSupraymo4 ай бұрын
Finally, a good comment on this video
@robinsonsonic Жыл бұрын
As a massive Sonic fan, this video gives me LIFE. I found you for the Naruto content but stayed for the Sonic love. My GUY! ✊🏽
@phantless2203 Жыл бұрын
🤓
@Realent_less Жыл бұрын
The way you explained and the way I already understood the two characters I took a guess at who takes and I got it everytime
@LavaCreeperPeople Жыл бұрын
*In 2023 Game Sonic would still win in a fight against Goku, anime and manga, no debate* proof: Why Sonic definitely wins against goku, Destructive Capacity: In the Adventure Era, Super Sonic was able to defeat Perfect Chaos, who is powered by all the 7 Chaos Emeralds A single Chaos Emerald is able to break the World into seven parts, Multi-Continental to Large Planet DC So it would be no exaggeration to say that Perfect Chaos would also be Large Planet level, since the main reason to why Chaos lost it's because of his inability to harness the positive energy of the seven Chaos Emeralds Later in Sonic Generations, Sonic once again managed to defeat Perfect Chaos, but this time in his Base form, that's due to the constant progression in power that Sonic had, making Generations Base Sonic > SA1 Super Sonic = Large Planet level. In Sonic Unleashed, Base Sonic was able to cause massive damage to Dark Gaia. Dark Gaia is a being with limitless supply of energy due to being powered Chaos Energy which can destroy entire Planets to even Large Planets. In Sonic Lost World, Sonic managed to defeat the Eggrobo, a giant mech powered by the life energy of Sonic's world, who has been calculated to be Dwarf Star level In Sonic Adventure 2, Super Sonic, alongside Super Shadow, managed to defeat the Finalhazard, who had previously fused with the ARK via Chaos Energy also powered by it which can destroy entire planets and pierce through stars. Star level Super Sonic Later in Sonic & The Black Knight, Sonic manages to defeat a Dragon which he compares it to the Final Hazard Star level base Sonic In Sonic Colors, Sonic managed to defeat the Nega-Wisp Armor, a giant robot piloted by Dr. Eggman, who uses the powers of the Wisps and can combine them at his will. Because the Nega-Wisp Armor drains Hyper-go-on energy quickly like the Mind Control Ray, Dr. Eggman needs to harvestisps constantly throughout the battle. The same Black-hole like object that appears in the game is also empowered by the same source of energy of the Nega-Wisp Armor which has a strength calculated of 1.83 Foe, which is the equivalent of Large Star level In Sonic Battle, Sonic manages to defeat and overpower Ultimate Emerl in just 30 seconds, Emerl's abilities were not only upgraded by the Chaos Emeralds which can pierce through entire stars, but also captured the energy of The Final Egg Blaster, which can one-shot entire galleries of Star systems. When Emerl captures energy/data all of his abilities including physicals are greatly improved Not only that but all the energy absorbed couldn't go into the input so it was released in the output instead, proven by his upgraded and overpowered abilities that he used in his fight with Sonic kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9WBaLeZu8zLc6M.html (10:08) Multi-Solar System level Base Sonic In Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity, Sonic managed to damage and overpower the Master Core: ABIS. This being abilities were amplified by the Arks of the Cosmos which can form a Black Hole that not only consume stars but create them as well a large collection of them as you see the inside of it proving the point. Not only that but he tanked his own Black Hole as well. Multi-Solar System level In Sonic Mania Plus, Sonic is able to defeat Metal Sonic Kai, Metal Sonic Kai's abilities were amplified by the Phantom Ruby at the time that he was able to warp Little Planet which had multiple Stars and constellations Multi-Solar System level In Team Sonic Racing, Sonic and the gang are superior to the Boos, who are able to control a dimension that contains numerous stars which would be a Multi-Solar System level feat In Sonic and The Secret Rings, Sonic defeats Erazor Djinn, an evil genie who was responsible for making the universe vanish from existence, and if he had enough power he would enter into Sonic's reality. Erazor's magic should be far superior to King Shahryar, who was able to create the world of Arabian Nights using unknown magic that he performed. He was able to use those same magic powers to amplify his physical abilities in his fight against Sonic Universe level+ Base Sonic Continuing on Sonic and The Secret Rings, Sonic was able to defeat the Ifrit Golem who was revealed that he had the power to burn the world due the power of the World Ring even while time was stopped Proving that even with just one ring is enough to destroy the Universe This was not implying that it's Planet, it was implying to be a Universe to the point that the game was traveling through them And we all know that you can control the universe with less world rings like 3 or 4 like Darkspine Sonic (3) and Al Layla Wa Layla (4). So that is another Universal+ feat. In Sonic Forces, Sonic damaged and overpowered Infinite, Infinite's abilities are empowered by the Phantom Ruby which energies can create universes with space-times like the Egg Reverie Zone and Null Space. Null Space = Subspace Universe level+ Base Sonic In Sonic Rush, Super Sonic alongside Burning Blaze were able to defeat the Egg Salamander, a powerful lizard-like mecha created by the combined efforts of Dr. Eggman and Dr. Eggman Nega to harness the energy of the Sol Emeralds, his presence enough was causing Blaze's world to merge with Sonic's which in turn would've caused both worlds to collapse Dr. Eggman planned to use this mecha's power to create his own dimension after the destruction of both worlds Low Multiversal feat for Super Sonic Later in Sonic Rush Adventure, Super Sonic defeats the Egg Wizard, Who had obtained the Power of the Stars, which was sustaining both Sonic and Blaze's universes along with their space-time and the existence of other parallel universes along with their space-time. The Egg Wizard can also merge the two universes and reign as its king, and Super Sonic can single-handedly deflect his attacks and later defeat him alongside Burning Blaze again Multiversal feat for Super Sonic. In Sonic Generations, Sonic, alongside his Classic counterpart in their Super states managed to defeat the Time Eater, an alien creature with dominion over time and space, which Eggman used it to erase Sonic's history and undo his numerous defeats in the process, it's also the responsible of the White Space, which is a broken realm composed of many stolen ares from their place in space-time. And in one of the Generations guide, the Time Eater was considered a threat to the destruction of both Sonic and Classic Sonic worlds/universes, making it a Low Multiversal feat Note that, The Emeralds were affected by the destruction of the Time Eater and were colorless like the rest of the Sonic universe, unlike the time when they prevented a universe from collapsing due to the absence of the "Power of The Stars" in Sonic Rush Adventure, which proves that he's superior to the Egg Wizard, who is Multiversal And yet, another Multiversal feat for Super Sonic. Now we will talk about the biggest threat and enemy ever faced in the Sonic Gameverse franchise, Solaris. Solaris is the central antagonist and final boss of Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). He is the sun god of Soleanna, as well as a super-dimensional lifeform and a god of time, who is worshiped by the people of Soleanna. Eggman stated that Solaris was capable of destroying all existing timelines and collapse time itself into nothingness. timelines are the same as dimensions, universes and realities in the Sonicverse. He was about to destroy every single dimension, which would also include the MaginaryWorld, a dimension which contains the 4th dimension itself, which has innumerable amount of dimensions. Multiversal feat Not only that, but he was also born not only due to Iblis and Mephiles, but also the Chaos Emeralds itself. So all of his feats are Chaos Energy powered, and the Chaos Emeralds have been consistently stated in the series to be a source of infinite power ever since the Classic era. "But Sonic needed the help of Shadow and Silver to accomplish this feat, so it's not all by his merit" Not only this mean nothing since he still scales to them, but also there's the fact that Solaris is an transcendent life form that exists in 3 periods of time, the Past, Present and Future, and each of the Super Hedgehogs needed to take him by himself on each period cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569997237854273547/597130781424615499/Screenshot_2019-07-06-15-15-21.png ^ "Defeating it here, now, would do nothing" There's also the fact that the '06 guide itself states that Super Sonic had already enough power and strength to defeatk Solaris. Multiversal Super Sonic. Skils and abilities: He can stop time using Time Stop (Sonic Adventure 2 Multiplayer), Time Break (Sonic and the Secret Rings) (Sonic Generations) and Chaos Control (SA2) (Sonic 06). -has had two fighting games were its shown he often trains -in Sonic Battle he said that he can easily adapt to his opponents fighting style and he has shown this too since he defeated the Knights of the round table who experts at swordsmanship.
@Tylerplays897 Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing telling of sonic feats and yeah..... goku is getting utterly claped with just a single flick😅😅
@FEdelasJONS Жыл бұрын
Sun Wukong solos
@VoidBornHuman Жыл бұрын
@@FEdelasJONS of course mr '7 different types of immortality" would solo the sonicverse, he also solos the dbverse. if you was calling Kakarot the name of the character he was based on then no you are incorrect.
@FEdelasJONS Жыл бұрын
@@VoidBornHuman No I wasn't
@Orio4355 ай бұрын
@@FEdelasJONSi mean you’re completely right but why bring it up
@dbzmods6429 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised he didn't mention that Goku said Granola and Gas were moving faster than instant transmission. Who true ui Goku now scales above.
@burnttoast.2017 Жыл бұрын
That would mean that they were moving faster than instant.
@dbzmods6429 Жыл бұрын
@@burnttoast.2017 Yeah. Which is why I'm surprised he didn't mention that.
@gabrielmachado1247 Жыл бұрын
@@dbzmods6429 i mean,hyper Sonic would probably still be a tier or two above in speed
@burnttoast.2017 Жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmachado1247 I don't know. We actually don't know how much faster Hyper is versus Super Sonic as we have only one reference point from one game. The fact alone that they were moving faster than instant means it's a immeasurable speed feat. If Super Sonic has one of his own, we would have difficulty attesting who is faster as it's both a ridiculous feat. I'd say that Goku would take this one, as he still is stronger and more experienced than Sonic is in hand to hand combat, even with Hyper, taking this guys Buu Goku highball.
@gabrielmachado1247 Жыл бұрын
@@burnttoast.2017 i really don't agree Here, because i think you are really downplaying Hyper Sonic,Hyper Sonic is deadass the super form of a super form,the chaos emerald obtain transformations,super forms of their own that Grant each one of then a similar power jump,and then Sonic gets all,that power imaginé the jump from base Sonic from Super Sonic,and do It again,but this time from super to hyper Hell, Goku's experience and power (speaking as if he WAS stronger,something he is not) might not even Matter because none of Sonic's Hax are ki based,so Goku overpowering Sonic is not gonna save him from chaos control,time break,time stop,getting turn into rings,and Other shit Sonic can do and thanks to Sonic and the black Knight,we learn one of two things Sonic's growth is insane as he goes from being unworthy of being killed by King Arthur to low-diffing him in a few days or sonic's learning speed is as high as everything else with him And even more importantly,Six said It himself,HE WANKED GOKU for this video,and he still got stomped
@cloud49089 ай бұрын
The editing on this video was on Point. Super solid video
@shadowsansvii8715 Жыл бұрын
Dragon Ball, Sonic, and Undertale music in one video? This is why Six is awesome.
@Squidtard Жыл бұрын
Extremely well edited and researched video. It never really occurred to me how broken Super Sonic is as a character.
@mortedorito8413 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely Love the Editing ❤
@crimsongamer31379 ай бұрын
(I'm trying not to spoil it for anyone who didnt watch the video first. So if you know you know.) Since I love both of these characters, I don't mind the ending. I mean, I always assumed it would end the way it ended, so I am very happy. But still. Its nice to see one of these videos that are ACTUALLY non biased and are just being as honest as they could possibly be.
@KatoBeyond Жыл бұрын
Another banger, we love to see it. 13:10 Got me thinking about Battle of Gods when Goku recovered from a stab in the chest that looked fatal. In Super, Goku and Vegeta might be using that healing ability to recover from near death states to gain zenkai boosts during battle. Thoughts on this interpretation?
@LavaCreeperPeople Жыл бұрын
hi verified
@LavaCreeperPeople Жыл бұрын
yeah he had healing powers in ssg but unfortunately it was retconned :(
@LavaCreeperPeople Жыл бұрын
zenkais seemed to be retconned and replaced with "saiyans growing stronger as they fight"
@sonpo6177 Жыл бұрын
I really like this comparison and interpretation of both Sonic and Goku and how the difference between Anime and Manga could affect Goku's scaling. For me, I always think True UI/MUI in the manga is weaker than in the anime since comparing the manga to the amine, Jiren doesn't seem to go full power in the manga, unless I forgot (that saga in the manga was pretty short). Then again, that wouldn't really matter since Goku would be stronger by now. Also, I notice you didn't mention the battle with Solaris in 06. I know it technically never happen in Sonic's timeline but would it make Sonic stronger or weaker compared to the feats you stated if you did use it?
@stephaniejohnson5361 Жыл бұрын
he did mention the battle with solaris he just didn't go into detail about it
@sacredpower75305 ай бұрын
It did happen, thanks to generations (Time Eater) bringing back crisis city and Blaze remembering the events of 06.
@goodpol5022 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see Six’s opinion on Mario vs Sonic.
@dextersdad6920 Жыл бұрын
mario ain‘t shit compared to sonic
@nkirmath8621 Жыл бұрын
Since Saiyan's get more power during fights, that means that their ki control allows them to midigate damage, and since they have a sort of way to just handle infinite ki, this means that ki can work like a really slow heal when used by a master and if taken slowly, but what makes it weird is how vegito fits into this. Since both goku and vegeta's ki are being used, it's possible that every time they fuse to fight an opponent more powerful...enough then they get to abuse the zenkai boost through fusion (probably why the earings are only for supreme kai)
@CMN9486 Жыл бұрын
No bias just straight on info and proof. That’s what I like
@grimreaper15 Жыл бұрын
There was some speculation, but mostly very well done.
@crater159_YT Жыл бұрын
Sonic is insane bro, in Sonic battle it states that he beat Emerl, who had the power of every single star in the sky inside of him, and Sonic beat him in base form, theres a lot of other feats Sonic has done that are extremely powerful as well.
@doohickeyhandy758 Жыл бұрын
I'll never get the "there is no time in otherworld" thing when Goku only had a year (well, half that) to train against raditz, like if he really is so fast (which he wasn't, I dont think Goku was at light speed till frieza, and we can't take the roshi sunglasses feat) then he'd have been training for infinite (Technically, no time at all) time and could of blitzed anyone in the following arcs. Hell, he could of been revived the day after he died with enough power to erase Buu, casually. I feel like "no time" only implies to age, as power can still grow, but he'd never age in Otherworld. Nowhere is it implied that movement in otherworld would be tied to the person's speed themselves either- its at least just "timeless" in terms of a quality, not that nobody can move in it unless they were immeasurable. White space has the actual spacetime literally frozen in time and space. Like to those in it, it's a frozen instance that sonics speed restores. These planes are different but we haven't been shown proper time passing while the characters are in it like with Otherworld. Maybe it does, but theres no evidence for it.
@ohhellwhereami2574 Жыл бұрын
Fax man
@hardcoore_gyt9254 Жыл бұрын
You misinterpret how time I’m dragon ball works. There’s still time in the normal universe so yeah he only had a year. Not to mention even if they did revive him time in dragon doesn’t work linearly. You don’t actually go back in time you go to a different parallel universe. Meaning that interpretation of reviving him a day afterwards makes no sense to the narrative being told. Like you said because there’s no time he doesn’t age in other world.
@youngfish1370 Жыл бұрын
Just loud and wrong
@doohickeyhandy758 Жыл бұрын
@@youngfish1370 i don't think you get it but alright. I'm not a "serious power scaler" or someone who'd really be invested in these things often, so no credit to me, but this is the point where I just wanted to talk about it. Pick it apart, but there came a point where it didn't make sense.
@doohickeyhandy758 Жыл бұрын
@@hardcoore_gyt9254 "no time" as in events in the otherworld not happening parallel to the mortal plane doesn't make much sense.
@AmateurAnimations65 Жыл бұрын
How ironic. So many see this matchup as a joke and in the end, sonic takes it 3 times out of 4
@a_guy_in_the_internet Жыл бұрын
Its just, i played alot of sonic games and watched the two movies and been a fan for this hedgehog and stuff, but when i saw this match up i said, bruh goku slams no diff- Never felt sonic can even touch him, like goku being the strongest its like a fact, even if you asked google He will say goku stombs, sonic known for his speed and agilty (at least thats what i see) but goku always was with the strength and ablites, but anyway that's just what i felt lol
@a_guy_in_the_internet Жыл бұрын
@@mugenbattleandedits2412 I respect that u said mid instead of negs but i still don't agree
@4Shadows20 Жыл бұрын
Great video man happy it came across the timeline lov the music too 🍻
@MFjaYWiLL7 ай бұрын
now he has Super Sonic 2 😍 love your videos. can't believe I missed this one. but amazing job.
@JJJuiceWRLDFan Жыл бұрын
Great video love to see you scaling Goku AND sonic. The only thing I will say is that in the super anime Goku while ki sick from using kaioken to fight hit King kai says that Goku was forcing his way into the future to contend with hit. Just wanted to point that out as an immeasurable speed argument for Goku.
@Voidedreaper Жыл бұрын
but that is countered by whis himself as he actually made that counter twice in the video. if you even want to go towards xenoverse, it's also holds evidence of that case because of chronoa vs mira, when she attempted to stop time and mira just broke through it through sheer power. you can say something but not be fully accurate. as a more accurate meaning of that wording could mean goku is predicting the future movements of hit which does make sense and can be seen plenty of times later.
@ImaPullThru Жыл бұрын
@@Voidedreaper it clearly wasn’t a prediction of you watch the fight all over again If it was a prediction, he wouldn’t have needed kaioken.
@JJJuiceWRLDFan Жыл бұрын
@@Voidedreaper King kai says he was forcing his way into the future not through Hits time Skip but through the future
@michaeldavila9715 Жыл бұрын
This was an awesome video. I'm just going to say that Current Base Modern Sonic beats Goku. I would even say it would take Black Frieza in order to give Base Modern Sonic a good challenge.
@LaymoSupraymo Жыл бұрын
Actually, Base Sonic would be universal. Scaling to Prefect Chaos means he scales the base full power of the 7 chaos emeralds. the base full power of the 7 chaos emeralds should be equal to that of the base full power of the 7 Sol emeralds, which had the power to drag Blaze’s universe. Base Sonic travel through the Arabian Nights can also get to trillions to quadrillions FTL, depending on how you interpret it.
@animixgamer7894 Жыл бұрын
He’s using Game sonic not the overpowered Archie(Comic) Sonic
@LaymoSupraymo Жыл бұрын
@@animixgamer7894 I know. This is game sonic
@sacredpower75305 ай бұрын
@@animixgamer7894Sonic and The Secret Rings/Arabian Nights is Game Sonic.
@banjo9158 Жыл бұрын
24:11 One thing to keep in mind, is that it's not known for sure if it was really a strenght/power feat, or hax, considering the only times the universe was in danger while in a fight, in DBS, is when gods of destrusction are fighting, and it's explicity showed that it's because of their unique energy at the beginning of the universe 6 tournament arc. Although even if the main reason the universe was in danger, was hax based, i think it still require a lot of strenght for something like that to happen, so i could see SSGod Goku being able to destroy like, Half of the Universe, or even the Macrocosm. at the bare minimum, i would say SSGod Goku is at Galaxy Level. Sure the Manga, indicates that SSBlue is at Galaxy Level (That's indicated in the fight agains't Zamasu), which would put SSGod even lower than Galaxy, but i don't think that makes much sense, i think logically, SSGod should be at least at Galaxy Level, and that was probably a contradiction. One more thing to keep in mind, is that Goku likely would not have survived the Macrocosm destruction, because Whiss stated that not even him would be able to survive that, and he is above the level of Goku and Bills. so even if he was capable of destroying the macrocosm or not, he would not survive that level of destruction.
@EZCOOKSIT Жыл бұрын
This is a certified hood classic
@lerona.martyr3811 Жыл бұрын
Great vid. I was worried you wouldnt use Classic Sonic from Mania and that youd highball Sonic but you discussed both favourable and more stringent scales for him. So it feels more like an unbiased scale presenting both sides of the arguement. I just have a few questions relating to scaling for Sonic. What I dont understand too well is the use of hyper sonic because it does not have much showing outside of Sonic 3. and at best we can only say it improves Sonic's speed, strength and various other stats by an unquantifiable amount The other is your point about the power of friendship recharging the sol emeralds (tho it should not effect scaling too much) Im split on that because we know how strong the power of friendship can be (like you mentioned before it helped Sonic and the avatar to fight full powered infinite) so its definitely super strong. but from my understanding the chaos emeralds are just able to react to and be influenced by emotions in general, not necessarily the power of friendship. In the jp manual for Sonic Adventure when it discusses chaos it explains that it was chaos negative emotions that the emeralds then amplified and transformed him into perfect. Chaos energy has also shown similar reactions like with the guages in Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 where it increases his chaos abilities. So it could be that just emotions in general effect the chaos emeralds and not just the power of friendship being that strong. Another thing is that you made a mistake by saying the maximum overdrive makes CD Metal Sonic 4x faster than light. Its acceleration is said to be faster than Sonic's so it will REACH lightspeed before sonic not necessarily have higher speed. In game it DOES have higher speed but I dont believe its 4x
@LavaCreeperPeople Жыл бұрын
super sonic (game) would win in a fight against goku (anime or manga)
@marlonwelty8016 Жыл бұрын
Dang I wanted to hear the Zeno retrieval interpretations (Zeno destroys a timeline and makes a realm that lacks space and time)
@alias_crouton2671 Жыл бұрын
Technically, super sonic and super saiyan were both released at almost the exact same time, so they both just had the right idea
@a_guy_in_the_internet Жыл бұрын
It was like 3 years, that's way enough to like idea and make it reality to your game in the time🗿 And that's sonic! The fastet thing alive-
@_veloxity919 ай бұрын
@@a_guy_in_the_internet One year, but Super Sonic clearly was inspired by Super Saiyan. It's surprising that Toriyama was cool with it.
@a_guy_in_the_internet9 ай бұрын
@@_veloxity91 oh Thanks for the information But yeah, maybe He liked sonic or he's that type of guy who is chill with everything and stuff I think its both
@elpopman2055 Жыл бұрын
Hyper sonic is Featless. But I do wish he made a Legit Appeance in the game Series and Have him provide Overpowered Feat That would be hard to top. Remember feats and calculations are more important than mere statemen8ts. Statements are only Legit when they are backed up With feats ands Calcs..
@user153xhzbso8e Жыл бұрын
Didn't he appear in Generations?
@igboamakauktv591 Жыл бұрын
To put it more clearly, h Hyper sonic is an ascended version of super sonic, and super sonic is outerversal.
@user153xhzbso8e Жыл бұрын
@igboamakauktv591 Super Sonic is not Outerversal. As for Hyper Sonic, you technically should've said it's a ascended version of Ultra Sonic since Ultra Sonic>Super Sonic and he only had 1 Mastered Emerald whereas Hyper has all 7 of them.
@divine8405 Жыл бұрын
Hyper sonic's "feat" is just being the stronger form between the two
@gabrielmachado1247 Жыл бұрын
@@divine8405 yeah,the feats of hyper Sonic are the fact that Its extremely straigh foward scaling,everything full power super Sonic can do,hyper Sonic can do either 7x better,or straight up on a infinitely higher scale
@marikuami6840 Жыл бұрын
subbed for the naruto stuff but this other verse scaling fire af G keep up the good work
@TobeySpideysProductions Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE WHO REALIZES THAT SONIC BEATS GOKU it's been years
@tiltedxfn3635 Жыл бұрын
Good video, i think you missed some feats that could apply to goku, like zamasu threatening to merge with infinite or countless timelines due to the db multiverse following the many worlds interpretation, or goku moving in a realm that has time erased, could argue inaccessible speed, or the afterlife being infinite which could actually upscale the macrocosm to 5d even early on, but overall the outcome for canon goku is correct, i think whis vs sonic could also be interesting, because we know whis can travel to different timelines.
@ohhellwhereami2574 Жыл бұрын
Zamasu was never going to do that at best he only started to fuse with 2 timeline
@ohhellwhereami2574 Жыл бұрын
Db doesn't follow many world interpretation unlike xenoversep Also you gotta move in space without time but in this case both space and time weren't there, also 5d db ain't real nor does it m9ake sense
@tiltedxfn3635 Жыл бұрын
@@ohhellwhereami2574 Yes he was lmao, and the whole narrative around zamasu is that there should only be one god who rules the cosmos, devoid of ANY mortals, he would've fused with all timelines had zeno not stepped in and erased him. Also the db universe has been stated many times to be infinite in size, the living realm itself is infinite, that means the afterlife would be a higher infinity making is theoretically 5d. Because to be infinitley larger than an already infinite structure, it would be a dimensional tier higher. And yes DB does follow the many worlds interpretation because of trunks statements and some scans I have on how time rings actually work. And the official db sight had dove deep into how time travel works in DB.
@ohhellwhereami2574 Жыл бұрын
@@tiltedxfn3635 bro that was only about one universe, he didn't know about other timeline to begin with, I don't think just because he could have taken over infinite timeline means he was that powerful already it directly implies he could have been stronger not was stronger so yeah To be higher d one infinite must transcend other infinity by infinite times Which is never implied just to say the example you're referring is infinite +infinite or finitely bigger infinity containing basic infinity You think it's like this, infinite ×infinite While it is infinite x+ infinite (where x is value on how much afterlife is bigger than living world) I want the site where I can find it Also trunks statement nowhere near stating it's quantum mechanics type many world interpretation to be high hyper
@tiltedxfn3635 Жыл бұрын
HIGH HYPER? Bro that's now what many worlds interpretation means bro, it means that there are an infinite number of timelines, not an infinite number of timelines that inaccessible transcend the last, I'm using that scaling method to get Goku to multiversal or multiversal+ to 5d ranges. I know dragon ball isn't hyper or infinite dimensional, but you can argue the multiverse to be 5d using higher infinites, but that's where it caps.
@jobi7651 Жыл бұрын
What is funny to me, is that you didn't even measure Hyper Sonic as you just knew that Goku wouldn't be fast enough. As well as Hyper Sonic there is almost no true way to measure his full power because the only game he was shown in was in Sonic 3 and Knuckles, which is 2d. So you would have to scale it off the Super Emeralds power in the archie comics to get like a low ball of where he would end up. This was very informational and to be honest I'm not surprised Sonic won because of how stupidly strong Super Sonic is. Thanks for making this so detailed time to win more arguments with this video. Take care have a good one and very good video it was interesting and awesome to watch!
@russ3161able Жыл бұрын
Fun fact. Super sonic was a thought way before super saiyan. Super sonic song came out 1988.
@matitheanimator10 ай бұрын
Super sonic came out in 1992 kid
@PROPHETBLXDE Жыл бұрын
Goated video.
@zeke7596 Жыл бұрын
*Archie Sonic laughing in the background*
@synsay Жыл бұрын
Raw durability will never be a normal phrase again
@zelz3011 Жыл бұрын
Was it ever a normal phrase? I mean like you don't go up to someone and say "I HAVE RAW DURABILITY".
@jairo7256 Жыл бұрын
@@zelz3011 😂
@TheBabelianGhost Жыл бұрын
Gotta love the Tekken Tag Tournament OST in the video. 🙏🏾
@zestymercenary Жыл бұрын
Though I feel as if Goku was downplayed a bit from my point of view , I respect you as well the editing was pretty good. So was the counter points and etc.
@amateuranimationz1785 Жыл бұрын
Goku was downplayed. Don’t most people put him a low multiversal at most.
@zestymercenary Жыл бұрын
@@amateuranimationz1785 yeah, but under scaling you can get him too, complex multi, high complex multi anyways.
@starsonic3607 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the video. To my view I thought sonic in frontiers was way beyond universal strength. But is it possible u could do a power scaling for frontiers sometime.
@darkside7802 Жыл бұрын
Death Battle is shit. THIS is how it’s done. Amazing work. It has not gone unrecognized, sir.
@ChileanRex Жыл бұрын
Wanking is not how it's done.
@khalidsaeedali8756 Жыл бұрын
@@ChileanRexare so giving yourself a like? Great boost to your self
@ChileanRex Жыл бұрын
@@khalidsaeedali8756 I didn't lol. The like button is white on my screen. If it was possible I would show you
@ChileanRex Жыл бұрын
@@khalidsaeedali8756 You know what? Just because you said that, I will give myself a like and have 2 instead of 1.
@khalidsaeedali8756 Жыл бұрын
@@ChileanRex great not only giving yourself a like it which is good but also have extra account? That's explain much more on What? Nothing
@mikelover6612Ай бұрын
Ik this is not a religious video but Jesus is the only way to heaven not by our works spread the gospel to everyone friends and family so that souls can be saved
@sonicturbogoku3978Ай бұрын
amen
@jonathanmiller7195 Жыл бұрын
I didn't expect this vid to be so interesting, great job. 👍
@redpieceofshit606 Жыл бұрын
pretty sick vid, but I think you're highballing Buu's speed feat, as I'm pretty much certain the scene you're using is more a representation of the destruction he's caused, and not so much showing him as he's doing it. It wouldn't really match up very well with how we see Buu fight if he could actually destroy galaxies that fast, but I don't think such a difference would really change the outcome of round 2 in a meaningful way.
@meachy1 Жыл бұрын
Very nice power scaling, Couldn't really say anything better, just wanted to point out how Sonic was able to survive in Null Space, "where nothing exist".
@TanSucksAtArt Жыл бұрын
Goku has also survived similar conditions, so that's probably worth something
@yeboysalty8152 Жыл бұрын
@TanDoesStuff goku hasn't, goku at best was in an area without time with his mortal body which was heaven, which can be debunked to king Kai allowing him to walk in it with his body.
@Thefatbug Жыл бұрын
You missed lots of things that you could’ve added to goku but W video as always
@grimreaper15 Жыл бұрын
ya he seems to know more about sonic than goku. Still a good video though.
@Tinyboichoppa Жыл бұрын
Bro really gave us all the knowledge we needed about these characters Dang ima sup bc of that
@stickydoodle8198 Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work, six!
@rajaryan4424 Жыл бұрын
Decades of defeating gods and monsters only to lose to a sponge and hedgehog
@Ginko_Sakata Жыл бұрын
I mean sonic has also been dealing with gods and monsters
@rajaryan4424 Жыл бұрын
@@Ginko_Sakata Yeah but the joke sounds nicer this way
@gabrielmachado1247 Жыл бұрын
@@rajaryan4424 Goku out Here training allí his life reaching and surpassing the power of the gods only to get violated by to smol yellow dudes
@Aigle662frileux Жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmachado1247 🤣🤣
@johnfrancois857010 ай бұрын
I’m sure sonic wins but it just such a hilarious match up lol 😂
@johnfrancois85709 ай бұрын
@@sukunamaster well if Goku turns into wukong he would win since wukong is the most op character in all of fiction and that's who Goku was based off lol
@masterplanner2364 Жыл бұрын
Amazing job my dude. So much went into this video, and as I big fan of both series; I really enjoyed it.
@Quzzail Жыл бұрын
Base Game Sonic Has Shown Immeasurable Speed and Multiversal feats alone, so I feel he got massively downplayed in this Overall, Nice Video and explanation, Six.