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To be honest Super Sonic can stay in tht form for days its shown in Sonic advance. The ring limit is just a game mechanic.

I’m a hardcore Mario fan, but even I agree that Sonic wins, no questions asked

6:39 A good thing worth considering is everytime sonic has a "limit" to how fast he goes. That's not his max speed, that's how fast he's willing to go safely. Imagine him going crazy fast through cities like in Unleashed and he constantly creates Sonic Booms because he'd break the sound barrier on multiple occasions. Given he's all about protecting and helping others from flickies to people, he definitely would limit how fast he should actually go.

👇sonic team

This debate is probably never gonna end. Not mad tho.😂

Damn I didn't think a guy who thinks Peppa pig is a serial killer would make a power scaling video and give good points

Finally, this guy understands that Mario couldn’t beat Sonic

Honestly at this point, comparing Mario to Sonic is like comparing a grenade to a hydrogen bomb.

A small correction on the Super form. Since the Advance games are canon, the super form can easily last for a few days. The rings are a gameplay mechanic that don’t actually apply to him as a character. Also, faster than light is the BARE MINIMUM for his speed. But yeah, great video! I love that you give Mario his best stuff, and push him to his limits regardless of how it’d end the same way anyway.

this debate have been going on for 30 years and i dont think people would stop

loving the videos bro, actually stopped what i was working on to finish watching this, keep it up!

As a Super Mario fan, I know damn well that Mario has no chance defeating Sonic at all, so I have to admit that Sonic takes the W Edit: this fucking war is still going on, HELP ME 😭

Sometimes as a Mario and Sonic fan, I really absolutely despise the two fighting. The two are basically friends nowadays

Interesting video. You have really good points honestly

As an honorable mention and fun fact, there's a secret red star power up in Super Mario Galaxy 1 that basically lets Mario fly freely, unlike the wing cap that has that whole momentum flying system going on in SM64

And to top it all off, sega had to remove hyper sonic from the series because it's so overpowered that it can literally destroy walls by just touching them (shown in game) and can even breathe underwater.

I disagree with the "SM64, Galaxy, Odyssey Mario are different Marios." because they are most likely the same Mario. Other than that this video is really accurate. Also if Mario had the white Tanooki Suit I would just teleport him into Marble Zone or somethin.

I love Mario, and it dosent bother me at all that Sonic stomps Mario.

people discussing Mario vs sonic: "alright so no extra lives, broken power ups, and no abilities specific to one game" people discussing Mario vs sephiroth: "um dont you know Mario is multiverse level and can deflect supernova right back at him"

Actually a good video with good points. Finally. Didnt even mention archie comics scaling cuz he doesnt even need it

Black holes actually don’t heat up unless they’ve eaten a star recently. Besides that, if you find a lone black hole with nothing around it, it’s a cold death from there.

My Sunday was interrupted by this beautiful science lesson

Hey. Gonna chime in here with my 2 cents. You're ABSOLUTELY right in saying that Sonic would win the fight. He's all that and teaches people to be very kind to each other, so he wins in that area as well, like when did Mario ever have a "Mario Says" or an equivalent of that in one of his cartoons? Never. Anyway, I am very glad to have Sonic in my life as I am an extreme Sonic fan.

Nintendo is drunk, wanna know why? They made a disturbing music in Super Paper Mario named "River Twygz Bed"

I totally agree. I have been a fan of mario but sonic is just better. The quote “Running around at the speed of sound” always got me when I was a kid and made me like sonic. The sonic vs mario debate is probably over because of this video.

By the way, Sonic can survive the force when inside a black hole. In Zero Gravity, he just goes in, casually beats a god, and then its fin. And in base form too!

When u really think about it as long as sonic has rings he’s technically invulnerable

This is the first time I’ve seen anyone bring up the fact sonic has his own super star power up, makes you wonder why no one talks about it

Ahh yeah i can see the fact that Sonic wins and as a fan as both of them I appreciate the fact that you took the time to actually specify the Mario you were using and and you bring up actual logic and fun fact did you know we where extremely close to getting an Archie Mario

Even though I’ve seen like 1 million videos this one has to be my favourite

Sonic could beat Mario on a Monday morning without even leaving his house and without a chilly dog

"Game mechanics won't be used" 10:48 12:13

I feel like sonic would just run laps around mario as he could do nothing about it then he'd start beating mario like there's no future just to show he could.

Bruh you forgot Archie sonic which can punch someone one so hard that it deletes over 3 billion dimensions and runs faster than the cameraman🗿🗿

dam worth it watching his long term vids he is actually really observative

I love both of them, but these were all facts for my childhood hero to come out on top, Everyone always does forgets about hyper sonic cause he was only in one game sadly but its imagine modern sonic being able to go hyper

This man did a better video on this debate than death battle

Now that’s what I call accurate

Bro literally unlocked unforseen brain power we never thought he could unleash like all these calculations are just insane

I do love mario and sonic tho but sonic solos tho❤

No joke, Sonic easily can take Mario in a death battle, even if Mario is in his golden tanooki suit, and sonic is in base form, sonic could grab and dump him into lava before Mario even realizes he’s moving

Sonic is built to be that guy in a fight

Every canon Mario is the same Mario

As a massive Sonic fan, I'll give some benefit to Mario with powerscaling and say it's a close fight. I think Mario's power ups and durability can give him the win against base Sonic but Super Sonic would whoop him especially after the Frontiers' buffs.

"For me, none would win, both have ups and downs" -A true Giga Chad

8:42 another thing nobody brings up is that Sonic’s invincibility item needs to be stronger in order to surpass is base durability than Mario’s does for Mario

This is the definition of facts. You accounted everything I’ve been saying. This is canon!

I would actually love to hear your takes on other Mario vs. Sonic match ups, like Luigi vs. Tails, Bowser vs. Eggman, ect. Also, I don't think rings will be a problem for Sonic, since he could always just summon more like in Frontiers.

"Mario is spear-chuckin' black-" 💀

Mario threw a baseball so fast it overloaded a speed gun.

Mario defeated dreamy bowser, who was amped by an infinite number of dreams. And thanks to mario party we know that dreams are universe… We also know mario is capable of piloting the star diver which travels several hundred lightyears in seconds. Hed be able to react to sonic.

About comp Mario, while I agree that Paper Mario and Mario are different, I do think it is implied in the series that Mario from the mainline games (64, Galaxy, Sunshine, etc) is canonically the same Mario. Visual differences of the Marios is not canon, rather hardware limitations at the time, and there was never any implication in the games and lore that the different Marios across games were actually different people, unlike Sonic who has interacted with and fought alongside classic Sonic. No Marios have ever done this in the way Sonic has, and besides paper Mario there was never talk of timelines and a multiverse of Mario. I think for a fair fight we shouldn’t assume each mainline game is a different Mario in canon just because other franchises like Sonic or Spider Man do similar things. The only one who’s actually different is Paper Mario.

Knowing sonic, he wouldn’t go full speed during the fight because you know, hes sonic.

Bro turned into a DEATH BATTLE channel lol

Paper Mario is canon, in Yoshi's Island DS there is a clear hint of it. Also, bro forgot to talk about RPGs and tried to sneak in In-game mechanics.

This plumber can go toe to toe with a being that can survive black holes, lava, and a dip in the sun. He can even throw him far away with just his base power. He's basically similar to knuckles when fighting sonic. Meaning he's not weak without power ups.

if curious george pulls up to the fight its over

Sonics speed is pretty much auto win for him against mario, I don't even understand why this is a debate bc while mario can be a lot more powerful than most people perceive him the only advantage he has in this fight is raw strength & durability which even then isn't too much since sonic can withstand his limbs moving at lightspeed

being a fan of both mario and sonic i'm aware of what both can do, and with all of the credit that sonic gets it's also kinda weird that people overlook when compairing feats and stuff like solaris which people don't tend to give 06 a second thought, sonic defeating gods and beings beyond time and space it's self i mean mario has done the same if not for the games that are canon to the storyline as each indiviaul mario has been recently confirmed it's just mario like the ones in the canon story are from super mario bros. through 64 up to sunshine and odyseey also having mario party 5 being canon being linked to dream team and paper mario since the dream port holds infinite amount of dreams and universes and parrelle universes which a dreamy bowser had control of and mario fought him on the same turf with luigi in the dream world. lets also not forget that in galaxy mario has survived a universe level hell even multiversal event with bowsers's star reactor and even fighting a grand star bowser in base form who was moving at the center of the universe with a black hole consuming stuff. and with mario party 5 being canon and them having minigames in there with out running a black hole that obviously gives mario atleast a leg up despite sonic being way faster. and mario is also strong too in base form from majority of his fights with bowser and or in the rpg games. but honestly ignoring game mechanics and junk like that mario dying to lava same could be said for sonic being super but drowning and or being crushed. it can honestly go either way for mario or sonic because they're both stacked up on abilities. it's good video but i'm noticing a slight bias abit

nah pretty sure invincibility lasts longer than power star

Paper Mario vs Classic Sonic would be a perfect fight

And less not forget, Sonic defeated the STRONGEST villain in super smash bros. Mario couldn’t even do that.

Just a correction about the hyper form it’s powered by the super emeralds not the master emerald (the super emeralds are the chaos emeralds in their peak power so sonic using them was able to ascend beyond his super forms power)

I was waiting for u to say hyper sonic Sonic in the at form hon WHOOP HIS PLUMBER AHH

It would be cool to see a Sonic vs Wally West video (I think Sonic wins but I want to see your thoughts on it)

Archie Sonic casually survives and undoes the erasure of his universe with chaos control. Paper Mario casually lifting about 18,138.5 tons. Archie has speed, Paper has strength, and they both are durable because of the things they can do.

Sonic speed can be used against sonic himself because Mario has reflexes, if sonic run so fast and mario hit him with his ultra hammer on his head, it's like a car that driving at high speed and crashing into a wall

Bro thank you because every time I ask who wins sonic vs mario and they always say mario so thank you as a mega mario and sonic fan so I am relived that there is a fair fight and fair comparison. Thank you

Ya know, i always see Sonic vs Mario, but Sonic AND Mario is unstoppable.

It can honestly just go either way like I said, we never seen them in a fight and ppl will just keep on debating them, we don't know if sonic base destroys all Mario's forms or mario base destroys all sonics forms bc at the end of the day it's just an opinion, and I will respect it, we have so many forms it's kinda hard to count, and the only time we seen them fight kinda is smash but that's not their true power level so we are not sure who wins but nice vid again :D

You make an excellent point of characters different versions, but I don't think it's really like that I think that the mainline games all have the same Mario (From SMB to Wonder, including Donkey Kong and Mario Bros), while the Mario & Luigi games have different Marios, so do the spin-offs (I know some characters like Toadette were introduced in spin-offs, but I don't think it really matters), while Paper Mario (And debatably Dr. Mario) Are completely different characters, I do agree that Sonic would win by just existing and people that keep talking about who would win just don't get what makes Mario and Sonic special Also some corrections 9:10 99 seconds? 13:14 Mario isn't that bad against black holes, I know this is probably gameplay mechanics being gameplay mechanics but in Galaxy he can stand a decent distance away from black holes before being consumed by them Also, I'm not very sure about Sonic teleporting or cloning himself, I think that he just moves so fast he just tricks the eye into believing that

Honestly even if you do wanna give Sonic the ring time limit, in Sonic Jump it's stated that he's collected 70 BILLION RINGS which would mean Super or Hyper Sonic would last 2219 YEARS, idk how Mario is gonna outlast that lol

I ain’t ever knew sonic scaled higher then Bill Cipher

6:44 In fact the sonic ceo in a difficult interview said that sonic speed is relative to the flash, which is mind boggling cause he’s taking about modern sonic not archie sonic, even though this statement needs to be proven in canon, but still people underestimate sonic’s actual speed.

"The Mario in Mario 64 isn’t the same as Mario odyssey and galaxy…" No. Mario going into bowsers head in odyssey shows which games are connected through memories. The only different ones are the paper, manga, 93’ movie, 23’ movie, main timeline, and galaxy, because yes it is a separate universe as told by Luigi in the first game.

This was a great video and actually has really good power scaling, can’t wait to show it to my Mario fan friend. Also I know this is a dumb question but who do you think would win in a fight Minecraft Steve or game Sonic (Classic or Modern). I think it would be a draw since Steve has infinite strength and Sonic can go to the speed of light.

I was like when is hyper sonic coming then he just came at the end

All marios are the same mario

Tyrecordslol gotta be the biggest w ever

Finally someone who understands both of the worlds

We need Mario into the Mario verse and Mario across the Mario verse

Adding something for sonic hax is that sonic is capable of using chaos control in super as shown in SA2. This would mean that he can instantly teleport,time travel on whim, stop time,etc

I love both characters a lot, but I immediately put my money on sonic, since he has so much more feats that are extreme, and more stronger forms.

Do Kirby VS Thanos next! I know Kirby very well, but when someone brings up Thanos, especially from the comics, I have no idea on how keep that argument going as I have no idea how strong is Thanos.

Bo didn’t even have to mention his other forms and of course the other canon form is hyper as it is in the classic games

A bit of correction : Advance Sonic is not Classic Sonic, its Modern Sonic if we look at the details, since Advance 1 and 2 happen before SA1 Classic Sonic is created due to the timeline split of Time Eater In Modern Sonic perspective Time Eater first appear in his birthday, while in Classic Sonic perspective its after Sonic Chaos and before 16-Bit Sonic 2

Super Sonic is not invincible? Explain why Knuckles punch Super Sonic out of his body. Form in "Sonic & Knuckles" beginning of the cutscene. It's true That we all see Knuckles did the same thing with Doctor Robotnik while using the Master Emerald in the Sonic movie 2. Edit: Yall, just remember. He either got hit and loses his super from by those giant robots in Sonic Frontiers.

Maybe something like samus VS link next? Id 100% watch as they are some of my fav video game characters

I'm gonna split my response up into parts because the comment was so long that it crashed my KZfaq. First of all, the Paper Mario and Mario aren't the same person argument is actually been proven wrong: In the original Paper Mario, Goombario's Tattle will state that Mario has been fighting Goombas ever since Super Mario Bros. This is a direct callback to the game itself. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b1/Goombario-PaperMarioCanon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20211027064505 Goombario is generally smart when it comes to his knowledge on things, as his Tattle demonstrates this. He's also a big fan of Mario, and the events of SMB are popular enough to be seen in plays or appear in Bowser's own realms. Thus, Goombario is a reliable source. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/e/ef/MarioFan.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027064926 Back to Paper Mario, we can read Luigi's Diary in his secret basement. Luigi writes about how the adventure stuff is difficult, and he enjoyed playing Golf, Tennis, and throw Parties. These are obvious callbacks to Mario Golf, Tennis, and Party. And while I am well aware that the Paper Mario series has referenced a sports title, mainly Mario Kart, it should be well noted that these were not intended to be their own paper versions, as at the time Paper Mario released, it was alongside the N64 era. Thus it's most likely they are direct callbacks to those N64 era games. This would also need to be the case for continuity sake. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/5/55/PaperMario_Sports.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027065911 Luigi also notes in his diary that he's afraid of ghosts, a personality trait that was established before Luigi's Mansion and later on used in other games. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/9/9c/PaperMarioLuigiScan.png/revision/latest?cb=20220111034622 Paper Mario is considered a sequel to Super Mario RPG, at least in terms of its lore and story. The general plot of Paper Mario is Bowser stealing the Star Rod to grant his own wishes. However, it just so happens that Super Mario RPG is also a game where wishing is its main focus. The general plot for RPG is that Smithy sent Exor to destroy Star Road (remember this location, it's important) in order to stop people from making wishes. So why are these two games connected? Well because the Star Rod is what is used to grant wishes in Super Mario RPG. How do we know this? Well we know that as Geno battles Bowyer, he mentions that he works for a "higher authority", and was sent to get back each Star Piece. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/01/GenoScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027071234 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b4/GenoScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027071636 But who exactly are those higher authorities? This is where Paper Mario's Star Spirits come in. The Star Spirits are the watcher over the Star Rod, and are meant to be the protectors of it. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/3/33/StarSpiritScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072206 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/a/a3/StarSpiritScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072240 However, you might think this isn't enough. For further proof, let's go back to Geno. If you are unfamiliar with Super Mario RPG, Geno is actually just someone possessing a toy. You might notice something, and that is that Geno's true form is that of a star. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/6/6b/GenoScan3.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027072638 He's a star, just like the Star Spirits. You might think this is just some coincidence, however this further relates to Paper Mario. We know that Geno is a star who works for higher authorities, and Paper Mario just so happens to have someone similar. That being Twink. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/f/f8/TwinkScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073234 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/0/0e/TwinkScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073302 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/bb/TwinkScan3.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027073330 Twink is also a Star who was sent down to help others by higher authorities, just like Geno. Thus they share the same occupation and general roles, connecting themselves. It should be noted that Stars are just a general species within the Mario universe. We won't stop there, remember Star Road? I hope so, because the two locations are also the same. Star Road (also called Star World) actually first comes from Super Mario World, making a further connection of a mainline title to other games. Star Road in both Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario are stated to be above the clouds. Something Super Mario World also displays. (Sorry if the image is small) static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/b/b4/SMW_Art_-_Star_World.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027074228 Both are star locations that are the location of were wishes are to be granted at. They both are star related locations (even if the names and place looks different, this is a general thing within Mario however). And they are both where Star-beings live at. If you're still not convinced, I present my final argument. How are the wishes granted? Wishes are described to take shape into a Wish Star, and become little shooting stars. Paper Mario directly says this is also how wishes are formed. static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/8/88/WishScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027075024 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/c/cc/WishScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027075058 Additionally, if we fast forward to Paper Mario: Color Splash, we can also directly see Mario and Huey make a wish. Which is done as a shooting star. That was a lot of connections. I guess Paper Mario being a scrapped Super Mario RPG 2 makes far more sense now. Back to more connections using... the same two games. Kind of. In Paper Mario, we see Mario be able to take the form of his NES-self, an obvious callback to his older adventures. Super Mario RPG actually does the exact same thing. Side-note, but Mario looking pixel-like is a canon thing he has acknowledged himself (Super Mario All-Stars Japanese Manual, Pages 121 & 123) static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/e/ea/NESMarioScan1.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027080558 static.wikia.nocookie.net/debatesjungle/images/7/73/NESMarioScan2.png/revision/latest?cb=20211027081237

As soon as you bring Archie Sonic into the discussion, there’s literally no feasible argument that you can make that Mario would win

*Both are strong, both are equal and y'all need to shut up about this Console Wars shit.*

The character I just made up in my head solos them both.

Fun fact: At the end of super Mario galaxy a super nova exploded then turned into a new galaxy while Mario was in it.

Man this video was awesome! Can you do mario vs Goku???

about kirby.... the thing with kirby is that, hes pretty beatable....in the games and the anime he gets squished, sliced, turned into a ball, punched, etc..... he can faint and feel weak, but he can't actually die.... his star soul saved him once, and those soul things are something unique in the kirby games...

Tbh everyone keeps meat riding the character they like and justs wants to say the character they like wins in all honesty Both have acheived great things sonic bringing back time by running beating solaris defeating someone who could prob drive ppl crazy(infinite w/ his powers) and defeated the bio lizard and mario swimming out of a black hole defeating dreamy bowser and just beating bowser in general if they were to fight it would be close and the gold tanooki suit couldnt even get used without mario DYING 5 TIMES and hyper is out of the debate too bc they were confirmmed to be unaccesible to sonic anymore depending on how they use their feats Mario or sonic could beat the crap out of each other but both have limits like super sonic takes energy and mario as i said before needs to die 5 times to get golden tanooki also you really read all this congrats

Sonics rings mechanics in Superform has always been weird, in Advanced he’s able to stay in Super for a while, and in Unleashed he doesn’t have a ring counter he can take damage but uses the rings to heal himself so it’s honestly hard to tell sometimes

The thing about a Mario vs. Sonic battle, even just taking into account their game counterparts, its ultimately a test of versatility vs. speed. Compositing Mario basically turns him into the world's greatest swiss army knife, whereas compositing Sonic turns him into a physics-breaking god.

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