EXTRA: After this video came out Bajaboard is attacking the channel on multiple facebook groups sharing prints of previous conversation to lie to us… After doing this they also have send few more messages and they erased all our conversation so in that way I couldn’t show that does prints are out of context. This was a video to help them to get better but they are not able to accept that and they prefer to attack a negative review and blame the owner of the board. Hope that this information is helpful. MADpack is here to always tell the truth about this companies if they are good you guys know they are simply simply amazing for me but BAJABOARD is simply Garbage not only the board S2 ATRAX but also the persons behind this brand.

Hey Marco! We are totally flattered you chose our product to compare the Baja to but I also want to let everyone know that we at Propel had absolutely no influence on this review. We are seeing it for the first time today, just like you are. We did not arrange to be a part of this video in any way....but we are flattered we were used as your example for what quality should look like. Every day we try to do better. We own our faults and fix them with lots of input from our riders and their feedback. We know we can always do better but not without you guys.

Hey Marco and Zak, first we should say that we are going to take all the feedback you guys talked about it because these are valuable lessons for a young company like ours and it's from the bad rider experience that we can actually take actions in the right direction, however, I think we should add some comments to the video because we don't think everything it has been said is correct, btw you should pin this comment to the top so viewers can actually understand the reasoning of some choice. Let's start by saying that we have sold lots of Atrax and Atrax upgrade kits in the last year and even if this board was from our first production, like some others, it's something that we didn't see happening to anyone else. Starting from the beginning of the video we don't use wooden boxes anymore because we had lots of trouble with some countries that don't accept importing wooden boxes. There way around obviously but this will require more documentation, longer shipping time, and more cost to import it for customers due to customs. So what we did instead was we moved to cardboard boxes, like everyone else, we have installed a g-force sensor, also called impact sensor, on the box that goes off if the box experiences over 30g force which it's what happen in this case. As Zak stated some parts are there to break first to prevent any further damages in automotive are called crumple zones and the top arms in the Atrax it's one of those, in fact, what we did we have made the bottom arms very thick because they are going to get damage riding over different terrain, you haven't shown this, and the top thinner because the only times that will get damage is during a crash and not normal riding. For us, this makes way more sense instead of making the bottom thin and the top thick like in the other brand. Regarding the accident we see in the video that screws have been removed on top of the deck, we don't know if there is any other screw that has been removed during the swap of the parts from the shipping damage however we can tell you that if some parts haven't been reassembled correctly don't expect full integrity of the board. You have commented on how thin some parts are but you haven't mentioned the material differences or manufacturing process which matters, aluminum vs steel or CNC vs cast. These are all points that you should have included if you wanted to talk about the chassis. We also don't understand how is bad if the board feels loose and nimble at low speed but then it tight ups and stable at high speed. Isn't that the best of both worlds? With 10" wheels if you are particularly tall or with big feet you can have wheel bites that is why we recommend to those people or to stick to the 8" or get the bigger sister G4, saying that we can see at 8m40s how much the wheel is out of alignment, toe-out, this is something that the rider needs to do straight of the box before even jumping on the board based on his weight. Last we do not offer a refund for a change of mind if you have already received the board, like many other companies, Zak had a bad experience starting from the board arrived damaged by the courier and we thought we would do the right thing and offer a full refund. I would like to make this very clear we DID NOT offer a refund because of your threats in making this video in fact we even told you, Marco, if you wanted to make this "review" to go ahead but we don't think that this completely reflects our product since you didn't even give us the chance to actually look at the board ourself after the shipping accident and making sure that what other customers get is what you are talking about.

*One hell of a cold open.* 😲 Very informative video! It's so important to hear about stuff like this, if everyone just gives glowing reviews then you never get a full, balanced look so thank you, this is gonna help a LOT of people. ⚡🤙🏼🤙🏼⚡

I own 2 bajaboard atrax's and I love it. Bajaboard has been supportive. I guess it's not for everyone. Just buy a board that fits each person's preference, financial situation, etc.

I don't normally comment on the video and I should say that I owned for a while a BajaBoard 4WD. After listening to the video and reading through some of the comments it seems like BajaBoard has done the right thing by offering a refund I don't blame this entirely on them considering all the facts, for this reason, I wouldn't take this video as a proper review of the board or company.

There's a few things in this video that are worth mentioning. - 6:30, the Endeavor's swingarms are thick, yes, but they're also cast metal. Cast metal is brittle and prone to snapping on impact; seen it happen to many longboard trucks. The Atrax has CNCed lower swingarms and laser cut upper swingarms. Sure, they'll bend in an impact, but I'd rather have it bend than snap. I've taken chunks out of my lower swingarms over rocks with no bending though, so perhaps the issue lies with the rider here. - 7:00, you can dial the brakes back in the settings. I usually run my Atrax at 80-90% and it's fine, but if you don't like the aggression you can turn it down more. - 10:00, the metal of the enclosure box is fairly thin compared to the Endeavor, but it's not problematic because the box isn't handling structural forces. I've smashed mine into rocks and stumps and left big scrapes up it. No issues. It's not a "bomb clock" as you say. Roughly 6000km in and no house fire. - 11:05, the Endeavor's coil shocks have significantly less travel than the Baja coil. I'll have to check the exact number but the Endeavor coils have something like 15mm of travel vs 60+mm on the Baja. More isn't necessarily better; I found that the Endeavor's suspension was fine over gravel and poor asphalt but couldn't soak up anything worse. If the Atrax is "too nimble" for your taste, just tighten the bushing dampers. I appreciate having a board that can actually go around corners, unlike the Endeavor where I often have to hop off and turn it. No matter how loose I set the Endeavor it just cannot go as sharp. - 13:20, the VESCs have similar power delivery nowadays but I wouldn't call them outclassed. My Atrax still beats my Nazare in terms of power, and with only the 60A controllers against the Nazare's Unity (90A per side). - 14:14. Would you expect Apple to give you your money back because you dropped their phone and broke the screen? Case in point. I think they were pretty nice to offer you a refund after you damaged it yourself. - 16:00 again, wanting it inspected is fairly reasonable considering they're offering you a refund after your own fuckup. It's also worth noting that Propel got their own start by directly ripping off the Bajaboard G4X. Have a look at the Propel X4S if you don't believe it. All in all, considering that you work with Propel, and you're complaining about Bajaboard wanting to cover their own ass after offering you a refund, I don't think this is particularly unbiased. Sounds like you're whining that they won't bend over backwards for you.

Sounds like a lot of your beef is mistakes made by the shipping company. It’s anything but unbiased. I’ve ridden a bajaboard for a year and have had several interactions with the Baja team. They’ve always acted ethically and kindly. I guess it just bums me out that you’d dedicate a 20 minute smear video without painting the whole picture. It’s irresponsible.

I love my baja s2! I’m 250lbs and the 10” wheels do cause more belt issues. Never had a belt issue with the 8” wheels.

Thank u for this video

I recommend you try Tranzite cross country 4x4 board. It's built like a tank. With vesc.

So if these bajaboard aren't good for offroad? What is best off road electric skateboard to buy for rough terrain?

Seems like Ecomobl is the way to go for a nice quality offroad mtn board. The M24pro is ~$1.5 cheaper & ppl I know that rides them are very happy with them. I get the attraction of eboards but not mtn boards tho as I think a good EUC will likely do everything & then some. In that vein, I got a mini cruiser & the new Eovan GTS Super coming in for this season. But ya, I'd never buy a Bajaboard nor am I their target customer.

We, me and my brother just ordered yesterday our new Bajaboard atrax and we will let you now if there are any issues with that. But i have the impression, that you are just getting paid from a competitor. This is obvious.... when i receive something with a damage you discribed, i have to send it back because in any other case you´ll lose the warranty. But your former videos "Bajaboard killer aso..." just leaves the impression... that you just welcomed it! Just to make that clear, i see the first mistake on the shipping company and the 2nd was yours not sending back the damaged board! This is my own view.... it is not fair in any way..

lucky I saw this video I was going to purchase one of these boards after having similar problems with evolve skateboards evolve boards are straight junk couldn't get it to last any longer than 2 months 3 max with all new parts replaced each time customer service was the worst I had ever dealt with aswell so heads up people avoid evolve

What about the helix 4?

Thanks for this video. You don’t always get whet you pay for in a premium brand. Just so everyone knows, that board is over 4000 USD!!! WOW. I hope that more people watch this to avoid making a huge mistake in thinking that they are going to get the “Best”

I have the Endeavor Pro and Im very happy its very rugged n heavy duty. These skateboard companies will never give you back your money. I could barely get my money from paypal complaint against Meepo. They say the Hurricane is IP67 but when I asked customer service they said no its not IP67????

Hahahaha @5.20 in your video, who is that? Need to learn how to ride!

The one telling thing with boards that I noticed when researching for a long time now, trampa are the ones out in the fields and in competitions, you will never see a bajaboard compete with trampa because they simply can't. I love the concept of the baja, but it's execution is clearly piss poor.

If I was you I just build my own board

Before you bash a brand, best you get your facts right. I went to the website, the price on the comparison board is 2,7900, so you can't get 3 of them for the price of a baja.

This is a review from a childish perspective. I have a G4X and do very extreme off roading with it, as well as general work commuting. It is an amazing experience to ride. I have broken many parts and spent a good amount of money replacing them. It is the same with any sport, try street skating, mountain biking, motocross, windsurfing.... any sport you crash, break parts and spend money. Bajaboard has always been reasonably responsive and I am a satisfied customer. Also the J in Baja is pronounced like an H.

I'll make this debate very simple. In my opinion I don't see $4,000 USD worth of value in this board. Also from my experience I can see that this board looks very uncomfortable to ride. As to quality of parts I will not chime in but just like a toothless crackhead, I calls em like I see em.

With all these PEV companies popping up. 3k boards better have some customer responsibility. Something needs to check on the quality assurance. Go get em Marco.

7:46 this is the first board I've heard of that doesn't have current control, that's straight garbage, and dangerous

get trampa

Soooooooo… “I’ll give you a refund if you convince your friend to not make a video with the truth?” - now that’s NOT a serious way to work. I’ve never been interested in this kind of mobility and this doesn’t help at all. Thanks for the video and tks Zak for the real life experience.

Shocking thanks for the vid, defo won’t be buying one jokers 🤘

I am a (2020) bajaboard S2 owner. As I have the older brother of the Atrax I can go indepth on some of the things that have been lacking with bajaboard and their products. First, the chassis was stronger on the older model and didn't need that silly brace. Sadly the middle box is just slightly thicker so it can still bend but you need both legs to do it. Second, the controller uses the 2.4ghz band. I have a remote the is wifi protocol maybe ver 2. All I know is the it is very susceptible to outside interference. I am basically on my third controller with each one costing $200 and I still have disconnects to this day. Sadly I also am experiencing battery failure in all of my controllers except for the newest one. I don't know but judging by the video the controller is still the same as mine, crap. Third, the shipping has always been insufficient. Even my board came in one box of thin cardboard. With nothing else but balls of paper and some thin Styrofoam sheet over important components. I am lucky that my board wasn't damaged in shipping. Forth, bajaboard uses dicast aluminum on some of their components just like other boards. I know I have broken components and looked at their metal grain. So anyone who says that the endeavor uses cheaper materials does not know what they are talking about. All companies cheap out on components when they can especially bajaboard with their closeness to one of the cheapest manufacturing hubs in the world. Fifth, there are glaring design flaws that would prevent a lot of the issues I and others have had with my board and it's even older brothers. I was hoping the Atrax would fix all of the issues I have experienced with its older brother. Sadly, they just hyper focused and overengineered on some key areas like the turning and drive gear at the expense of cheaping out on other components of the board. I do have to commended them on their customer communication when you don't have a problem. I wanted to customize my S2 by putting three of their batteries in parallel and they helped me a lot in understanding their electronics and getting them to work correctly. The board worked and I was riding for over 70 miles at a time but sadly the glaring design flaws came with a vengeance. My belts would last more than 40 to 50 miles, the tires were so thin for an offroad board the I broke traction with even the tiniest braking, and the drive shaft needed to come out for service almost as much as the belts breaking. The drive shaft had these tiny plastic caps that is supposed to protect from metal on metal contact. All these issues could be fixed with just a change in materials and they would last 10X longer. So I had had enough wasting money especially because I had to buy these things directly from them in Australia. I built my own diy with a gear drive and 3kw battery this past month and I have had zero issues with any breaking or wearing out. Point is this company has been making boards for over 5 years now and have produced more board models than some of the other esk8 brands yet they still can't make a product with no glaring flaws is extremely disappointing.

You are full of it. Paid buy propel not paid by Bajaboard and you make this crap. I have over 3000 miles on my Atrax.

Brother I have a bajaboard s2 atrax enduro setup is nice machine 👌 I don't know why you are talking badly of it? Guys you are talking to much 🙄 you don't even know how to ride it,I saw you guys on it you are looking 85 years old ,so I suggest you ride and practice more than talk

Hmm good review.

I WOULD NEVER BUY A PROPEL, they try to copy Baja board, plus the material and controller is bad bad bad

bajaboard's (sub)quality is actually kindda common knowledge among diy'ers

too much cuts in the video

this video is what happens when spoilt child feels powerful because they a couple hundred subscribers on KZfaq... You should have let the company fix the board. period

Поссорил бренды и доволен?) А почему не записываешь видео на русском языке?