you were right :)

HEAT PUMPS ARE ANOTHER EXPENSIVE SCAM TO FREEZE YOU OUT

I saved 3000 dollars when I installed a heat pump. So can you

Good story m8. And true. Its even worse though. There is no global warming other than recovery from little ice age and CO2 does not affect temperature. Lots of studies found no correlation and worse again even; CO2 is THE life giving substance on earth. Plants need it to grow and the current levels of CO2 are too low, bc there is continuous binding (by tiny lifeforms) into rock. Thats where the vast majority of CO2 is now. If anything, using fossil fuels is needed and there is plenty of it. Then the question remains why they push this nonsense. I think it is 2 fold: One, for the people in power to gain power and TWO, because of the principle that mankind has always tried to free people from labor by producing more efficiently. This has brought us to the situation where half the jobs in the west are non producing/ non functional jobs. So they want to push new things all the time, to employ more people and keep money 'rolling'. Our currencies (none of which are actual money) are going down as the west is crumbling financially and economically. All this creates new tech, new products, new jobs (as you also state) and postpones the inevitable for a bit. But that wont last. One of those fields is solar and wind energy, but that only works, bc they keep increasing prices and have most of that stuff made in China, with fossil fuels. Thats all trickery. Energtically there is no gain of energy from solar and wind, as it is used now. It depends somewhat on the lifespan, which is pretty certain at this time for windturbines and for solar... probably not much more than stated. Also the efficiency of solar cell panels gradually goes down. Same as for hear pumps, but in a different way. Heat pump sounds nice, but again, you have to add all cost to make an energetic balance and i dont think its going to be beneficial. The entire circus is probably going to come crash down soon.

@@bengteklund1576 LOL

How do you install the outsource if the owner live in tall apartment?

@@Frommirrorworld You don’t, or there is one master system for the building that uses a piped system to move hot or cold water through the building. No one system fits every possible situation.

It will be interesting to see the report later this year on the BPA’s tests around the PNW using carbon dioxide (R744 for you HVAC folks) water-heating heat pumps for space heating. They picked maritime and moderate on the Coast, i.e. temperate rainforest, temperate and moderate west of Cascades, or Puget Sound and Willamette Valley, inland dry and colder, think Spokane and Bend, Oregon, and quite cold locations (McCall, Idaho?). Don’t quote me too closely on locations. I skimmed it six months ago. Final report is always more interesting.

Interestingly, my Thermopride (the best oil fired furnace burner, period) oil furnace has a temperature of ~105-110F at the supply vents. My Fujitsu mini split air handler pushes out heat at 120F. Modern heat pumps are unbeatable.

One simple wood furnace can create 30kw of energy easily and costs 1k bucks or even less and will heat up a small house with a very bad insulation. On the other side 30kw heat exchange pump will cost hell of a money counted in tens of thousands dollars and isn't affordable. That's what many people don't understand. Insulation is first step to bring the loss of energy down and heat pump is last.

Cold and dry isn't a problem for air source heat pumps but 3C with a dewpoint of 1C (a very typical UK winter situation) causes a rapid build up of ice so the CoP and duty cycle go through the floor. I have an ASHP on an outbuilding and sure, it's OK above about 7C and OK below about -5C but these are not the typical UK conditions.

That is basically what the video says too

Your elecricity price is lower than the prices in Germany for example. We pay in average 0,3 EUR/kWh

What is Sweden's main electricity source? I wonder what the ground temps are in Sweden and if y'all can do ground source hear pump

In my experience, heat pumps work fine in cold dry weather. The problem comes with damp weather. If it is between 32 and 45 and humidity is high, the heat pump freezes up. It drastically reduces heating power and efficiency. Under these conditions, I doubt it is more efficient or environmentally friendly than natural gas. I also question if your system has supplemental resistance heating, most do? If the resistance heating is being used then it is less efficient than natural gas.

Meanwhile in Australia we are all still googling what the word insulation means

The price for all that free geothermal energy is having earthquakes and massive volcanic eruptions, isn't it?

@@kingcurry6594 Everything in life's a trade off

So, basically, the solution is to move everyone to Iceland? Don't you worry it might get a bit crowded there and that keeping your houses warm economically will suddenly become the least of your problems?

@@kingcurry6594 luckily they have strict building regulations so the earthquake aren't a problem in terms of damage, and the biggest volcanos are a good distance away from the population areas, but yes there's risks

I have the same situation and it works fine. But homes need to be well insulated.

But would a gas boiler in your home be cheaper and more efficient if it was as available and priced the same as the UK, including installation and maintenance costs over that 12 year period?

@@simonpeggboard4004 if u go that route the most cost efficient is really good insulation and electric floor heating, really cheap installation and no maintenance ever. It almost never breaks either and the repairs are very cheap. But good luck getting subsidies for that.

@@Jester-rm9ox Not sure they have subsidies for heat pumps in Norway (which was the subject of the conversation). Last time I checked electric underfloor was less reliable than wet underfloor by a factor of 3, but been a while since I looked.

Yes, air to air Heat pumps work great for being cheap, and heating the air. and they do even more in the UK, but the problem is that they want to phase out the Gass boilers, and the gass make the heated tap-water. Not many houses in Norway use the Air to Water or water to water pumps as they cost way more, are more complicated, takes more room etc. And they can't get ass efficient as the temperature has to be twice as hot(because of the tap water).

A micro chp like H2PS-5 is the solution.

Another one of his videos that has aged remarkably well. Skill Builder has his ear to the ground / knows quite a few people !

+1 great comment

The guys a genius!!

In fairness I don't think this Government has the skill or intelligence to manipulate the market to that extreme. Besides electricity has sky rocketed too. Rather it's men in suits exploiting a business opportunity and jumping on the carbon free band wagon. Oh wait...

Mike My house is similar to your with passive heat. I replaced old ac unit with 37 seer one. It's big for an ac unit BUT much larger coils and cycles less so cost to run is far less than older ones. Paied for itself in a few years. Cost little to run.

Combine it with solar panels and you get your cooling costs covered and also a big part of your heating costs!

David.... That has been my argument from the start. It's all just a new fad that the Government has latched onto. Sound Bites.... that's all we get from the brain dead in Westminster. Heat pumps do not work in 99% of houses in the UK. End of argument. But. When will they listen? Sod the idea of "Ripping out Gasboilers"...and giving grants to install these totally impractical Heat Pumps. Put the grant money (Taxpayers) into new builds that are as efficient as possible....and go from there. Why oh why do they insist on putting the cart before the horse? Boris has the perfect opportunity to get this right.... Yet he seems incapable of seeing the wood for the trees. It could cost him the next election. (You owe me a pint Boris.) (Corruption is rife.)

@@patagualianmostly7437 Unfortunately our PM is a complete idiot. He is very good at increasing the Uk birth rate but lacks technical expertise when it comes to viable heating sources.

yes more hot air from Government liked the idea of air source heat pumps now looks like a wood burner is the best route

@@DavidGarcia-mm6sh careful you may some boris lapdogs feelings haha

The government not knowing what they are doing!! Are you sure ? 😁

my house is 600 years old

@@JohnSmith-en6ev I'm getting there slowly, one year at a time.

You’re lucky. Here in America we build our houses out of wood and chemically-laden wood waste. At least we have fiberglass meat in our wood/wood waste sandwiches; but that certainly does not compensate for a lack of thermal mass.

You must live in the UK - about the only place in the world that I know of where people think 10 deg C is "toasty warm". 😁

May I ask how you manage the fine particles from the burning of wood?

We are hearing this a lot. It would be good to interview your neighbour, maybe on Zoom to hear their story.

Going with a ZEB storage heater myself, but won't get the £15k - £7.5k discount

these prices are just bonkers for air to air pumps.. what sieze house you got? My grandparent have a 1960's suburban house, used to have direct electricity heating, they installed a air to air heatpump for less then 3000 euros, covering 90% of their heating needs over the year. Their house walls have less then 10cm of insulation, added insulation to the attic for another 2-3000 euros and their heating costs have gone down with 70% that heat pump payed itself off in a few years. Air to air pumps for a 100 sqm house should not cost that much, and in the cases you need bigger pump.. here people tend to buy a second or even third pump for basement or if they got more floors. If your house consist of many rooms, air to air is also less effective. If you got a water radiator system and your house is big or many rooms, air to water is the way to go, or even better geothermal, but more costly investment.

@@mycide UK is air to water pumps generally

@@JoolsUK price makes more sense then. Is it common with circulating water radiators in UK? Gas heated or oil still common? Here houses between 60- late 80s many houses had direct electricity, giving little options to air to air, specially town and city houses. Clean and cheap power back then 100% hydro and nuclear, we didn't export more then what we didn't need. tax payers built all energy here and now we get to pay insane prices for our own power that is cheap to produce.. something rotten.

Exactly!!

Agreed, but obviously they will cock it up too.

@Jesus Jones "Insider Trading" has harsh penalties for the common folk, but not for the elite

Like the vaccine

Darren: They all do! All sides of the house are hypocrites.... It's ACCESS they crave...not the salary of an MP.

@@John-ed2wj law of physics anybody? no?

energieerhaltungssatz, in english conservation of energy

Exactly.

But a lot of the current UK housing stock CAN NOT be insulated. All the best.

@@ivancho5854 why cant it be insulated? I really cant understand.

You forget to mention that electricity in your country costs nothing compared to the price in the rest of Europe

@@ltjuglans194 Actually, the price of electricity in Switzerland is a little higher than the UK. France is quite a bit cheaper. Switzerland is pretty close to the European average.

@@davidellis2021 France has nuclear power

@@moetocafe So has Switzerland. What's your point exactly?

@@davidellis2021 my point is, that nuclear power is one of the cheapest and with very stable fuel prices, unlike any other energy source. I don't know the energy mix of both countries, but probably France has much higher percentage of nuclear in their mix, than Swiss.

Our next door neighbour has an oil fired central heating system that makes a racket when it fires up. Meanwhile my three neighbouring air source heat pumps and my ground source heat pump are inaudible.

@@rogerphelps9939 that thing must be malfunctioning. Furnaces (no matter the fuel) are usually inaudible from outside the building.

Thank the support for a war in ukraine and stopping low cost trade with russian fuel which resulted in your energy prices gettting jacked up its affecting us in camada too. The political world is a joke right now. Everyone need sto stop being devided and work as a team no matter where you were originally born

No, new homes need to be built properly.

@@robuk3723 ur mum gae

@@robuk3723 How about you pay to tear down all the old houses not well built enough, and rebuild energy efficient homes for them. Do something to help or shut up

Insulation Insulation Insulation! Wherever you can put it, put it! Pipes, attic and if possible, floors.

Well said Bob, totally agree and as a retired engineer myself the modern world suffers from an inability to think practically and learn from those with knowledge. Good intentions and profits lead us down the wrong roads often.

@@LiLBitsDK He's right. In the UK, the correct spelling is 'draught'.

Is not an option when you rent a cardboard box for couple thousands pounds.

@@goury Here in New Zealand rental properties must comply as of 1 July 2021 for minimum R-Values for insulation and a range of other energy efficiency measures. So, it would seem like many other country to country differences that this is about governmental priorities and policies. This energy policy the UK has seems bizarre that they don't insulate to a minimum standard prior to grants/subsidies for heating.

@@lucasbuchanan6939 cool. If only NZ wasn't located at the very edge of the of the world.

@@lucasbuchanan6939 THIS

There are some pumps that work at -70. There are also some pumps that work at +70. There are however no pumps that work at both +70 and -70. This is why you should always buy one in a local store and never from ebay or amazon or wherever else on the internet. It sure can be more expensive, but at least you can be sure you're buing the right one for your local climate.

How much do you pay for gas in Canada? In the UK it is generally ⅕th the price of electricity so no way a heat pump can compete with an efficient gas boiler.

@@eckyhen heat pumps are more than ten times efficient. Not only that, but UK is importing gas, so it's bad for the economy.

@@goury I assume by ten times more efficient you mean a cop of ten. I have never heard of a heat pump that can go that high, especially in real world conditions where 3 seems to be more typical.

@@goury That is complete bullshit. The max COP you get out of a heat pump is 3, modern gas boilers are near 100% efficient. Since UK electric is nearly 10 times the price of gas, that means a gas boiler costs ONE THIRD as much to run as a heat pump. . . I know, I fit them, then we come back in winter to 'upgrade' them with a gas boiler.

We can live without air conditioning in the UK, and save energy doing so.

I don't see anything in the video title that specifies you would learn those things.

@@andrewlevett4274 Agreed, I can think of about 3 weeks in my 47 years of living in England when I felt the need for air con.

Not cheap gas!

Don't worry about the environmental impacts. You're not going to be around forever.

Newest heat pumps can go down into -5's F or lower. You should look at upgrading.

yeah.. i dont know why he is all worked up about

That's just terrific;; just hope the utility doesn't have the bright idea of increasing their rates; they do that from time to time!

@@cranbers Efficiency drops the lower you go. I live where the temps go down to -20F and lower.

Average temperature in NJ is about 40F for the heating season. A hybrid system would do you well. Not sure what energy costs are in NJ these days. Utilities will quote a number per kWh which is not what you pay. Look at your energy bill for all the additions. When I lived in NJ, energy companies quoted $.10/ kWh but the final bill was closer to $.21/ kWh. That was 10 years ago.😅😅

You are not supposed to sit right next to the discharge head - where the airflow is strongest. All the reviews I have seen show the air discharge temperature from the head to be around 90 - 100 degrees F, which most people would find uncomfortably warm.

True...but that's far from being even as easy as easier said than done. I told my landlord that the winter before last would be the last winter I'd have an ugly wood pile outside of the workshop because I'd be insulating the building and putting propane heaters in. Well...I did a crap load of insulating but when it comes to something that had no insulation to begin with insulating it means a major construction project, tearing out drywall and such. The building I'm talking about has auto repair equipment all over the damn place! Just moving stuff to get ladders in there to insulate the ceiling is nearly impossible. And I'll tell you this, if you have one area that you simply can't thoroughly insulate, you're screwed! The cold air will suck up a crap load of propane and you'll be wishing the wood stove was back. I told him this winter I'd be heating with wood for as long as I live here and work here. If that's a problem, tell me know, I'll move out. He said, "can you put a tarp over it in the summer?" LOL I will still work at insulating but the next project that needs to happen is a small walk in door so that I don't loose so much heat when I open the overhead door to walk in. I'm still going to loose all my heat when the door opens though. So what's going to happen? I'll use both wood heat and natural gas but I refuse to use propane. It's FAR more expensive than natural gas which he uses in the house. Let me tie into the gas and I'd rip the stove out tomorrow! But "no, I don't want to do that" he says. You can't win! LOL

i will tell every conservative that heat pumps are a liberal conspiracy

Because we all are living in nicely done excel sheet of perfect computer model.... Why are all climate change celebrities are NOT selling their oversized mansions yet? Why they still use private jets? Do they drive electric VW UP or big gas guzzling SUV? Do they eat bugs or exotic meats? There, open your eyes.

@@myself342 that's a bunch of non sequitur. Excel spreadsheet or not, the efficiency of heat pumps beats gas boilers, the data is quite clear, if you disagree, please cite your sources rather than merely intimating and insinuating. Why are rich people doing what they want and being hypocritical... because people are hypocritical, that doesn't alter the efficiency of a technology.

@@LudvigIndestrucable I saw somebody have to put together about 8 kW of solar just to run his heat pump. Doesn’t sound like a plan for most people, when you need another 15 kW of solar to run your house. Where are the savings?

Most MP's I feel have invested heavily into the manufacture of Heat Pumps.

The UN doesn't care about this video, they're the ones pulling the strings, and your very own politicians are selling you and your children's futures out to this globalist tyranny.

I agree. This video needs to be seen by everyone.

@@Guillotines_For_Globalists Yet, the gas petrochemical companies are not globalists with a vested interest in maintaining their hegemony, no....????

@@leod-sigefast Their CEOs and boards of directors are, absolutely, yes. Exxon, BP, all have environmentalist greenies at the helms. Ask your financial advisor about this and let me know what they tell you.

You are not very bright if everyones on electricity the price sky rockets and you will auddenly find yourself a feudal peasant, if your not one already.

Hahaha!

Hahaha top man

Would be more efficient to just burn him.

Good old Roger he's passionate about what he does, I know exactly where he's coming from.. we are being fed a load of bull shit and herded like sheep, we are not being told the truth by anyone in any matter of concern regarding money and the planet.

What's the point of your statement if you dont state what unit you are using ? you are blowing more hot air than your heat pump !

@@luckyPiston 14 kW Mitsubishi Ecodan R32 Zubadan outside unit. Covers 350m² with some extra headroom for a possible future extension.

Well, you did go from electrical to heat pump. Higher efficiency is to be expected in this case. In the UK most houses use gas for heating.

Noise.. Have you considered LFN (low frequency noise)? You may very well not hear it, but LFN can travel miles causing totally unsuspecting citizens to search for a hum they will never be able to explain, but seriously disturbs their peace.

@@spiceworks5704 A very valid point. Noise is similar to an air conditioning unit. We did turn the unit by 90° as my neighbour did experience some low level humming noise that he noticed at night and just above the background noise. It is in the country side, so very quiet. He has a background as an engineer in Radio/Television and he measured using his sound level meter.

They stink..

Truden the clown is handing out government grants and he's never even owned one.

It's a dumb idea in Canada where we have huge amounts of concentratee heating fuels like oil, natural gas and wood. That makes more sense than trying to suck heat out of a diffuse source like minus 20 air.

Just think what all that work would do with a gas boiler then....

it will burn a lot of gas @@factorylad5071, that you can not produce yourself and most countries cant either. But everyone can make electricity..

Also remember the COP of a gas boiler (0.8) vs heat pumps COP of 3-5...Some people just are against progress in any way and form, but they shouldnt come up with conspiracies to pull even more less intelligent people towards them.

@@jokellus3236 the really good gas furnace to air are 95%. Which means even with a low COP is better to burn it in a power plant than to heat your home directly

@@jokellus3236 modern condensing boilers have an efficiency of around 92%

sense is no longer common

I have two air to air heat pumps fitted, an older Daikin and a newer Mitsubishi Ecocore. I also have undertile heating fitted throughout most of the house (the electric mat style not water pipes). When I bought the property eleven years ago the Daikin was the sole heat source for the property, and while it heated the air in the lounge and dining room, once you opened the door to the hall to get heat down to the bedrooms the lounge became quite cool. The second problem was that when you opened either of the doors (there are two ranchsliders in the lounge), all the heat seemed to disappear out the door, a problem when you have a cat. The other issues were the noise and dust. Now the undertile heating, rather like a radiator provides background heat that is silent and doesn't leave the house when the door is opened (no to the same extent at least), and heats the whole property. We rarely use the heat pump for heating, probably a couple of times a year only, but regularly run both for cooling, having one in the bedroom is the best thing we have done, and the Ecocore is quiet enough that you can sleep with it on. If I was still in the UK I would be maintaining my gas central heating but would look at adding a heatpump for the A/C element.

I'm sure you are right but as Roger said if your house is super insulated then a heat pump will work fine but we live in the real world and unless we are going to knock down all the older houses and build new ones at a time when the building trade cant keep up with the current demand its not going to happen.

@@martinasher8705 Walls are rarely the issue. As long as they're brick or stone and thick enough they will hold heat reasonably well. Majority of heat losses come from poorly insulated roofs/attics and old doors and windows. If you fix those your heating bills will reduce significantly. Whether it's worth the investment depends on the expected cost return of the initial investment but the prices of electricity/fuel will only go up, the insulation will reduce your bills for years to come.

Hi Stuart, I am doing comparisons of ASHPs to gas boilers in existing homes for my university dissertation, would there be any chance you could complete my questionnaire when its ready? Thanks

Modern heat pumps have variable speed inverters and are surprisingly quiet. My sister's makes no more noise than her dish washer and not much louder than her fairly new refrigerator.

Its a money making scam. The government says it will remove the levy on electricity, once you are reliant on electricity for everything, they will add that levy on again

You have been guinea pigs for at least 40 years while the fossil fuel industry KNEW we would have global warming, and that the consequences would be grave. You have been lied to year after year after year while politicians protected the fossil fuel industry and told us that we were fear mongering. You are stupid enough to ask for politicians to have them for 5 years before you would consider fitting a heat pump, while you disregard the decades of use all over the world, where millions of homes use heat pumps that actually work.

Great idea.

@@TraitorFelon.14.3 But not fitted in the UK. Also you are basing your beliefs on a false presentation of science, which I believe in strongly. Question; What melted the Ice Ages before any industrialisation? How is it that the Sahara used to be covered by trees? How is it that remains of tropical plants can be found in the UK? The Earth is a volatile entity that has changed and is always changing, why do we think the natural changes have stopped just for our convenience? There is no immediate climate crisis, it is a political and media led religious crusade. We should insulate, insulate, insulate, then fit the best and most suitable heating system for our building, whatever it is. If anyone thinks that all the world - especially China is going to follow all this ‘save the planet’ stuff, then I feel sorry for them!

@@petercollins7848 And how is it that you cannot fathom the dire problems ahead? Haven’t you seen the graphs? Haven’t you noticed the speed of the increase? The accelleration? Is it so difficult to understand that Sahara didn’t just happen overnight but over thousands of years , but the vast problems we are facing now happened during the last few decades?

Not sure about larger pipe size a nd radiators - Insulation definitely . the other argument is just to continue gas / oil because we have poor insulation Huh?? Wait till Vlad decides to cut off your oil

@@Lance-fk1eb Not Putin, the clown Johnson stopping production in the North sea and the licenses for exploration years and years oil and gas still left

Mine cost 10k for full new system

hehe can i have heated socks aswell please

@@Lance-fk1eb ordinary radiators are made for higher water temperature (smaller surfice area) and ordinary pipes have trouble leading the needed amount of not that hot water to give enough effect on to the radiator.. (if you have a high speed on the water there is a annoying sound in the system and i guess it might lead to cavitation, perhaps also to small temperature difference between outgoing water and returning water that will effect the efficiency of the system a lot negatively.)

You spent too much, you could have buried a load of big plastic conduit yourself for a weeks excavator rental, some gravel, some weed barrier. It would take me 20 years to save £40k! I could dig it in myself in a few weeks.

What about the refrigerant gases, such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) damage the ozone layer, while others are extremely potent greenhouse gases. In fact, one kilogram of the refrigerant R410a has the same greenhouse impact as two tonnes of carbon dioxide, which is the equivalent of running your car for six months. No one talks about that.

@@coyote5735 Do you often release the refrigerant from the HP or AC systems? You don't.

@@janosvarga9997 No but they do leak over time all of them, think of the cumulative effect. Not so environmentally friendly after all.

@@coyote5735 classic "what if" chat.

Disconcerting that you've got 19 upvotes so far. Quite a few people have clearly bought the hype, and are in for a nasty shock when they go ahead and install a heat pump. Air source heat pumps are expensive as it is, ground source heat pumps cost even more, and will be way out of most people's price range. Most UK housing stock is too draughty for heat pumps to work properly. Our houses actually have air bricks built into them to let outside air in and ensure there's adequate ventilation. Houses designed for heat pumps are completely draught proofed and don't have any built in ventilation, instead they use something called MVHR (mechanical ventilation with heat recovery) to exchange interior and external air without much heat loss. It's not feasible to draught proof existing housing stock to the level required for heat pumps to work efficiently. That's why people who have them installed are complaining of cold houses and large electricity bills. The COP of a heat pump depends on the outside temperature. Their COP drops substantially below 0C, and below about -10C most of them shut off altogether and switch to resistive heating (COP of 1, the heat you get out is the same as the electricity you put in). When it's colder you also need more heat of course, so what this means is that the electricity demand of these things spikes dramatically in cold weather. By what could easily be a factor of 10. Very cold weather doesn't happen that often in the UK so it might not seem like that big a deal, but if millions of households have converted to these things it's going to crash the grid. We have very little spare generating capacity as it is, there quite simply isn't enough spare capacity to support millions of air source heat pumps (especially if their demand climbs to 10x normal due to very cold weather). It'll be like the blackouts in Texas, except a regular occurrence every time there's cold weather. Vulnerable people will die, and housing stock will be ruined by pipe bursts. It's an insane policy, especially since most of our electricity is generated from gas with an efficiency of only about 50 percent, when modern gas boilers have an efficiency greater than 90 percent.

Gas prices have exploded across Europe - partly due to lack of supply from Russia, as well as an increase in demand around the world. This shortage has increased the price of gas, which is also having a knock-on effect on electricity prices. Russia invaded Ukraine seven months after this video was filmed, though. Prices have gone up, yes - but not solely for the reasons he states.

When he says "They've got to bring the price of gas up", this happens through taxation, not through some shady conspiracy that you don't know about. The price of gas has gone up mainly because our biggest supplier turned out to be a bit of a shit.

And you no longer have the explosion/fire risks of using gas.

I replace compressors on heat pumps all day long. An 11k machines compressor cost £1000 and an 8kw is £800. On a r290 machine the gas is cheap and you can get 70c flow temps but you should only need 60c max

Like boilers have a great reputation for reliability.

@@ungrim97 some boilers do have excellent reliability. Of course you can choose cheap crap, but if you stick to Vaillant, Worcester Bosch or Viesmann, you can expect many years of reliable service with no hassles.

@@ibleedswede 70 deg C flow at what COP?

@@flatfoot only 1.2 COP @ 75 but it can do it cheaper than an immersion if you insist on a legionella cycle once a week for an hour. The rest of the time you can do DHW at 52 c for a good balance of cop verses usability. A usual family empties there stored hot water at least once a day so legionella protection would be provided by that alone. People always find objections to new technologies and standards. People objected to having to wear seatbelts at one time. I'm not sure if Roger is a climate change denier or a big oil shill but heat pumps in one form or another are the future for domestic heating and most of the obstacles that exist for retrofit to old houses will be overcome.

Also the uk government we was told buy diesel then diesel was bad. Then to counter the bad have diesel euro 5 meaning Adblue.

@@marcus577 USA utilities pull the same crap!

@@marcus577 adblue is seventy three percent distilled water then put in your urea, probably as good if you peed in there, just a matter of time before they find its either harmful to humans or the environment, but by then the millions would have been made, so that's fine!!.

The U.K government is trying to discourage air con units being fitted. The idea is to save energy because we are still a long way off having green electricty so air con will be powered by gas fired power stations.

A lot of old houses are difficult to insulate properly as it often leads to damp problems. The air leaks were often by design to varying degrees.

@@simonpeggboard4004 with new insulation Tech. getting cheaper, and more efficient.. all type of house are successfully. My House is from 1950.. Insulated by using a New foam siding... If home owner become more educated about what is available.. A lot of people will find there is a lot of inexpensive Alternative... And Home owners need to make better.

@@jwetPouOu Cheap and efficient doesn't solve the inherent damp problems from the original design. Obviously a complete overhaul can fix any problem, but cost and planning laws often prohibit such actions.

@@simonpeggboard4004 To stop the damp you need bigger gaps under the doors of the rooms you block the air-vents in (& maybe a fanlight). The Air vents (up on the walls) were designed to stop the build up of carbon monoxide back in the day.

American summers are much hotter than British. How would that affect comparisons?

Yeah, and doubly so if the government has to subsidize it!! 😀

@@comment6864 Considering how much governments subsidize oil and gas, this is really a good point!

@@KeithCarmichaelInFL That has to do more with the cost, not the demand. Nobody has offered me any tax breaks for buying a gas stove or driving a regular combustion engine car, but there are incentives for buying a hybrid, or at least used to be, not sure if there still is. Don't get me wrong, i like hybrids, but would never get an all-electric car as my only vehicle. Not a smart idea at all., even if there was a huge monetary incentive. And for no money would i ever use heated air as my primary heat source LOL

@@KeithCarmichaelInFL you do realize those subsidies mean nothing. Oil and gas spend more on govt than they receive. So they aren’t really subsidized.

@@weignerleigner3037 You do realize that my response wasn't even true. Not only do O & G not really get a subsidy, but it's all mostly a shell game to throw money down to other interests? But, it's hilarious that you fell right into that one and defended it without a clue anyway! Thanks!

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If you want maximum efficiency from a heat pump, forced air would be a better idea (like a mini split). They also work at lower temps compared to radiators.

is your heap pump feeding off of a ground source? that would make it work at all times.

Not forgetting the 3rd career; insulating the millions of old houses in the UK!

This is good to hear. I'm building a house at the moment and have fitted underfloor heating throughout to use with heat pumps. Really hoping it's not a massive mistake!

He did say in the video that heat pumps are find for new builds with good insulation. And that it is incredibly expensive to retrofit insulation.

You can get this extra heat with a simple modification : adding a mixing bottle to your installation. Il keeps a little amount of warm water in it, that helps the heat pump to use less power at the start and gaining few extra minutes of heating at the start. Also, think about programming your heat pump to start at a sertain time, then you can have heat when you wake up :)

How much for the pump and how much to install ?

What country do you live in?

I live in Devon, England

I had the pump installed in 2010, the pump along cost £7000.

Yeah, you want to rip your house apart to install a completely new system. No way. Actually is this not a similar punt as the whole solar panel scam? They really do think we are simple.

Firewood and natural gas are also cheap.

I know heat pumps have more components to fail that a gas powered furnace, and the energy bill savings is only because the politicians have jacked up the gas prices around me. It is all a load of crap what they are doing. Plus many opt for the addition of AC when a heat pump is i stalled, meaning that summer time energy use skyrockets. The subsudies for these god dam schemes is paid for on the backs of the taxpayer/ energy bill payers, and I fucking hate me having to subsidize the rich be it for their solar panels, shiny new Tesla, or their AC / heater system. F them.

We need 80 C at the radiators LOL

Interesting, sounds like great news. However now burning wood is being damned as a bigger pollutant than that caused by vehicle emissions! In 50 years time we might have saved the planet but we will all be bloody miserable..

I think he was highlighting the effects of negative balance points in each conditioned space. A Heat pump thats exactly sized for the space, may not account for all drafts that affect the balance point. Which will fail in comfort.

@@lifesforliving4929 in here finland we have this called "varaavatakka" . I have electric heating , Nunnauuni woodstove and Nunnauuni freblace. Nunnauuni have made thees wood heating very ecofriedly becoos stone that have been used absodr heat for 24 hours. So i can save big borsion of my electric bill and i am foresmacine worker i can get wood very cheap when i need it.

@@janne47pro Interesting, but here in Britain there is a growing surge of feeling that log burners however efficient they might be and open fires burning wood are major polluters and that they should be banned. I was always told that burning wood was no more harmful than letting the wood naturally rot but now it has been discovered that the particles given off during burning are more harmful. I love open fires, log burners and bonfires but I can see that all of these are in the future going to either be strictly controlled in the UK or stopped altogether. It can help massively if well seasoned wood is burnt, not that that has not been allowed to dry properly but I do not think sufficient controll over that can be achieved to reduce the risk. Also, it seems that people in town and cities are the ones who most object to open fires and log burners because they might live close to someone with either.

Really depends how efficient and insulated your individual house is and what climate you're in. My 1950s home in Canada could definitely benefit from a small heat pump. More so for air conditioning in the summer and to lessen the load on my boiler in the winter. No need to go big. About $3000 would do nicely. Just don't take the government handout and keep the backup heating for the really cold nights. 🤷‍♂️

Been living in Paris region of France since 1999. Back around 2005 long before the current trend for heat pumps we were convinced to install one along with a lot of neighbouring by a door to door salesman. Supposedly from EDF (Electricity de France). It had the classic box outside & one defuser on the wall above the kitchen door. It was sold on the basis that this was what shops had over their entrance doors. You remember when you used to go into the supermarket & walk through a wall of hot air. As many houses in France our house was heated with electric radiator. Very dry heat. This because France has 50 plus nuclear power stations to give it an historical energy independence from the bigger oil producing nations. It also Hy we have a very good electric train network including the TGV. Just the heat pump box cost us 10k€. The subversion scam was setup differently. It was a long term loan. So the heat pump was deemed to reduce your electricity consumption but instead of reducing you bill the savings went to paying off a long term loan for the pump. The installation was done by cowboys we us having to make good the mess. The fans became noicey. You had to leave doors open around the house for the heat to circulate. Then when we came to move house a couple of years later the long term loan was still years from paying off. Something that you could hope to pass onto the buyer. So essentially the new owners got what ever small benefit there was to be had from the hear pump & even that was debatable & we continued paying off the loan for nearly 10 years after moving. Any loan is an issue in France as everything is taken into account by the banks when applying for a mortgage. If ever there was a case for be miss sold something this is it. The home where we had it had these electric radiators in every room, a wood burning stove (insert) in the living room & a large immersion heater fir hot water (very common in France). All continued to be used. The house was mid terrace from the 8O's so concrete block walls with polystyrene foam backed plasterboard lined walls & fairly good Rockwall loft insulation. We now live in a 300 plus year old house with meter thick stone walls & no insulation. Gas combi boiler & cast iron radiators doing it all. Gas pipes were being installed everywhere until ver recently. We have popup cowboy firms busily lining or externally cladding people's homes with flammable foam insulation for 1€ basically financed by France's big oil companies like Total to offset there continued solution. Bought a diesel car because we we encouraged to do so that soon won't be able to drive into Paris & Ill be forth nought. All a bit crap all this. People want to do the right thing but it's all a massive scam that could bankrupt ordinary people & leave them with no proper heating. Only going to excelerate now to avoid Russian gas.

@@warrensteel9954 yes this os the best way to utilize heat pumps in very freezing temps -15 Celsius or lower. Have a wood fireplace for those times.

@@Mike-kr5dn unfortunately there's a huge crackdown on wood fireplaces. Between municipalities and insurance companies it's getting cost prohibitive to install or even keep existing ones.

@@davidpike3464 that type of scam is going on right now in the USA but with solar systems, I see multiple advertisements every day for solar installations where you will get money back after the installation but they never mention the long term loan you cannot get out of

Clearly you bought a rubbish make. Would it be a British effort from a company with no experience.

@@rogerphelps9939 It's Panasonic. Is Panasonic a rubbish make? I don't know but their heat pump is! I sit here without heat or hot water yet again. This time they think it's the filter, the system needs to be flushed, which will take a full day. Lucky me, eh?

I am curious what type of system is connected to your Heat pump..? Is it water.. ie underfloor piping or Radiators.. or.. Air warming like the American 'Central air' with lots of box ducting. Your country (assuming Sweden) generally has an overall yearly lower temperature than us in the UK and you have designed and build property (and indeed your infrastructure) to cope with it.. We are not so organised here and any extreme weather tends to flummox us and everything shuts down.. Also, UK houses dont tend to have suitable places to mount the main pump box and the fan can be surprisingly noisy. I think newbuilds are best suited to benefit from Heatpump tech where the property layout can be re-designed.. Alternatively , put it in the bike shed that we were forced to build..

​@@embryonica In general modern houses have the heat pumps connected to floor heating, while older houses re-uses the radiators that were already installed before the era of heat pumps. I acknowledge that the placement of heat pumps might be trickier in areas with dense buildings/small yards, but often it can be solved.

Perfect response. The technology works. I've seen it working and so have the people in Sweden and Denmark

Heat pumps are worthless in cold weather. Heat pumps barely work at 50 degrees. You mistake your opinions as facts. My kin installs heat pumps for 50 years. People love to brag, I got a magical heat pump.

I have been to a few Scandinavian houses. I said to them I'll keep my jacket on while they were running around barefoot in a t-shirt.

There have been huge advances in heat pump technology over the past two decades. I doubt if your experience would be true these days. A modern air source heat pump will have an efficiency (COP) of around 2.0, down around 10 degrees F. Electric resistance heating has a maximum COP of 1.0.

Use new laptops, mine some crypto. Seriously though, I use some good old 2070's to heat my country house and it is cheaper than a heat pump this way because the price is negative. You can't beat that with anything. Initial cost is considerably higher though.

@@goury lol! Someone has just died in Thailand when laptop blew on their face!

@@desidesigning don't put your face too close to a laptop, it's bad for your health even if it doesn't explode.

Sadly soon when the wind don’t blow and we’ve given up gas your pc goes off! We are going to be sat in the dark, shivering, and cooking quorn over a vegan candle🤣🤣 Idiots have taken control.

@@steveb1856 Idiots are those who oppose nuclear power plants, including you

He does have a point about using gas. I bet gas is cheaper than electricity when used for heating.

@@juslitor No, because you need 5kw of gas for 5kw of heat while a heat pump will give you 15kw of heat. Modern heat pumps can actually go 7-11 to 1. That means gas would have to cost 1/5th or less per kwh to break even with a heat pump.

​@@excitedbox5705 I take your word for it, I have no access to gas, so havent got the foggiest idea of pricing /kWh.

@@excitedbox5705 But what is the cost of 5kW of gas versus 5kW of electricity? If you burn gas to make electricity, it will take about 12kW of gas to make 5kW of electricity. That's due to a law of physics known as Carnot inefficiency. I think 5kW of gas is going to cost a lot less than 5kW of electricity.

@@incognitotorpedo42 You are correct about the conversion efficiency. You are comparing quantity with cost though. The energy company doesn't charge you 12kw of gas they charge you 5kw of electricity. It all depends on the energy source when comparing how green but with a COP of 5 or even 3 (at -20C) you would still be coming out ahead. I actually looked at some charts after posting and the expected savings in $ on your energy bill is 60% or higher depending on if you add hot water in addition to heating and 80% for new homes built around maximizing efficiency.

Not really a prediction though, this is just a fact and facts are always the truth!!

An air source heat pump will not work efficiently at extremely low temperatures. If it is the only heating source you have, it will switch over to resistance heating, which has a maximum COP of 1.0. A 100 amp service means you have a maximum of 200 - 240 KW of energy available. You would have to add up your maximum loads to see if the service is adequate for the heat pump in resistive heating mode.

ill stick with gas. Sounds far more reliable not worrying about auxiliary heating. May as well stick with one heat source@@buggsy5

What heat pump have you got? How do you heat your hot water? It will be interesting to know how you get on in the winter. Heat pumps work well in the warm weather for obvious reasons.

Heat pumps work well in cold weather as well - although in sub-freezing weather periodic defrosting cycles may be necessary. These cycles shut off the compressor and use a heating coil to melt the built up frost/ice. Then the system returns to the normal heating program. It only got down to about -20 deg C at my sister's house this winter, but her ductless system worked just fine. It is the only heating/cooling source in her 1600 square foot house. In the USA, and many other countries, water is usually heated with resistive electric coils. @@SkillBuilder

Here in Texas where the climate in winter is mild; the electric utilities hit us with very high monthly bills ( U$A 300 to 400 for a 3 bedroom 2 bath home); 1500 sq. ft.

I was thinking they sound a bit like the old storage heating system

And my electricity provider just increased my price per kWh by 33%, despite them buying all of their electricity from solar+wind+nuclear. And when the govt sees the loss of tax revenue from gasoline and diesel gallons dwindling, how will they recoup it from motorists in vehicles that are powered by electricity...? Hmmm, let me think...

@@hunchanchoc8418 The rats will figure another way. Even electric cars need to p

@@hunchanchoc8418 We're at their mercy!

i lived there.

Massive oversize radiators running cool.

Or something reasonable like underfloor heating.

@@jankoodziej877 Yes - UFH is the best option. But a lot of places can't have UFH.

@@stakkerhmnd yeah, in general it only makes sense in new buildings, designed with that in mind.

@@jankoodziej877 Seen a lot of UFH retro-fits - some were done well and some were a bad joke. As you say, new buildings makes sense. The Nordics designed their buildings properly 50 years ago for their environments so these systems aren't really suitable for UK market.

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Also happy to have a friendly chat/debate if you're interested Rodger!? 😊

@@HeatGeek Hi guys, I watched your response video and you seem like nice guys. I am glad that we agree on so many points. I would love to have a chat on Zoom and we can put that up on our channel. I am a plumber/heating engineer general builder and have been writing for the trade press for over 30 years so I was very early on all this stuff and even had one of the first condensing boilers in the country. I completely support green technology but all these Government subidies are short fixes that undermine the industry You should not have to bribe customers. If it works it works. Now you get a bunch of double glazing salesmen persuading householders to take out gas boilers and put in heat pumps and for many that turns out to be a terrible decision. The systems are badly designed and the guys doing the work are on a price so they are in and out in a flash. I have seen it with so many schemes. In the end it does the reputation of heat pumps a lot of harm.

@@SkillBuilder Thank you! Yes we do align, it seems subsidies are the only thing we don't align on. We would love to do a Zoom with you! 😁 I've emailed our email address to your contact form 👍 Should make great content, but importantly, its important to drive discussion in this area for the public. Kind Regards

Totally with you HeatGeek

Great response Heat Geek! 👍

But wood burners, even the best, are dangerously polluting and require logging which emits greenhouse gases amongst many other serious problems.

You're cutting down trees and burning them. The exact opposite of what we are told is the right thing to do. You're killing the trees and putting all of their carbon into the atmosphere. And you're bragging about the damage you're causing as if you're doing the right thing. Are you Frank Spencer and is your wife called Betty?

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Wood burners mean people are not reliant on profit mongers , I have my log burner and my solid fuel range cooker and use mostly free scrap wood or fallen branches and it costs me nothing at all to heat, boil a kettle, keep the coffee or tea pot warm, dry my laundry cook and bake in and on. Plus, in winter, I use far less electricity because I don't have to use a tumble dryer, electric cooker, electric kettle, microwave ect. My oil boiler blew up this last April and I can't afford to have a new one put in. Luckily when I had it installed 5 years ago, I kept the range and log burner just in case. Of course, now that I have no central heating, I have no hot water either so washing means carrying pans of hot water through the house. Pretty scary when you're getting on for 70 and badly arthritic hands mean you have no proper grip of things. Oh well, such is life in 21st century, 3rd world, UK.

@@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim Wood burners are too polluting to use for most people, and of course that pollution doesn't stay in your home. I have sympathy for your situation, as I - like so many in Britain - cannot afford to properly heat even my tiny flat. But wood is not a sustainable or healthy source of energy. Imagine the effects on forests if everyone used them as their sole heating and cooking method. Most of us enjoy the undoubted benefits of electricity, too. The blame is not on those scientists who have shown the enormous harms caused by wood burners (which have been denied by the profit-making wood burner industry - see www.dsawsp.org/secondhand-smoke/wood-burning-industry-tactics) but by our capitalist economy, for which there is, as always, only one solution.

Did you have ducting in your house before you installed the heat pump? I think very few homes in the UK have that, and I'm not sure to what extent it can be retro-fitted. In the US they have lots of it - mostly for cooling, though.

Actually this is not the best way to heat a house. The best way is with a geothermal heat pump. Way better efficiency.

@@volf4o how much does geo cost to install in your area? For me, a 12.6KW air-air system for nordic conditions cost $3400 including install, before any incentives (ending up at $2300 iirc) If i were to dig the hole myself, i could have gotten 13KW geo for $14k (12k after incentives) Even ignoring what i did (had $15k, bought air-air and spent rest on solar panels), i'd never recoup that cost in the efficiency difference between the two Might be different in climates where air-air meets large hurldes (like coastal regions where the salt corrodes them) but this is my experience

In the USA and in Canada we have a lot of air conditioners that are only used about 2 months of the year the thing that's needed is for laws banning non reversing air conditioners turning them into heat pumps to heat and cool the house and we need air conditioning technicians who are willing to change over the old one's but no they'd only make 500 dollars more or less for the conversion instead of the over a thousand they make on commission on a new one plus the cost of removing the old one and the installation of the new one well over 2 grand for an hour or two of labor my ac unit probably has 4 months at the most of run time so I'd love to upgrade it love it even more I'f i could add water sourced heating and cooling to it as we have all the heat and cooling we need 15 feet below our feet but I'm not able to find someone to upgrade my old unit

Heatpumps for tap water makes no sense. I'd rather use a small pellet burner for that.

@@volf4o haha, no the best way is to live in the Caribbean

A friend of mine bought a house with a heat pump and he now has a warm house and lower bills, and a new gas boiler.

That is probably true, but also a part of your heating problems.

@@CrusaderSports250 LOL.

There is a lot of false numbers going round about heat pumps, one of those numbers is the cost... On the radio I keep hearing the figure £10k, that is BS, the minimum you are looking at is £20k and then you will need underfloor, so you are looking much closer to £50k - £90k for a realistic system. One big thing I havn't heard anyone mention yet, is replacement... Your boiler needs replacing every 10-20 years at a cost of £2k ... Your heatpump system won't last any longer, but costs £20k to replace.

@@cuckingfunt9353 You must be referring to ground source heat pumps. My son put in an air source unit that cost about $1300 Cnd. This is a new house, 1000 sq. ft., super insulated. Eastern Ontario winters get pretty cold. His total electric bill for heat, lights, hot water, etc. for January last year was $200. And the house is warm, and in the summer it is cool.

That is a good plan and there are now a lot of hybrid systems. I think that is the way forward