SLO-Plugins Part TWO - using the same IR - Neural DSP vs AmpliTube5 vs STL AmpHub

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3 жыл бұрын

Gabor is back with part TWO of the SLO amp sim shootout - and this time around all the amp sims use the same Celestion Plus/Digital IRs...which one did you like best??
The plugins used in this shootout are once again the Neural DSP & AmpliTube versions of the SLO-100...PLUS...Gabor also included the Solstice Solo 100 by STL AmpHub which is also based on the Soldano SLO-100!
Hello 0:00
What is this video about?? 0:49
Setup 2:42
Using the 'stock' IRs 4:09
AmpliTube speaker change 6:23
Turning IRs off 10:07
Using the Wall of Sound IR Loader 11:08
With 'stock' IRs again 20:12
Thoughts/Outro 22:42
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@blakeburress 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for taking the time and doing this, mate.

@TSFAHTPS 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much

@Bbh4535 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely enjoyed this! Thanks for your hard work.

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Ben!!

@diemturner5755 3 жыл бұрын

The NeuralDSP sounds absolutely killer. The default preset blows either one of the other two out of the water imho. 10/10.

@Walkerbjj 3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. That SLO plugin from Neural sounds exactly like the real thing

@Nico_Conradie 2 жыл бұрын

Have tried a lot of Neural DSP, and they are good. Amplitube can sound exactly the same with a little adjustments as well. and with Amplitube for the same price of one Neural Plug In you get every amp in existence👍

@macbeth642 Жыл бұрын

@@Nico_Conradie not every, missing friedman amps

@sassycat 3 жыл бұрын

I read this as Slö, and immediately fell asleep and had a nap.

@bluessumlin...7067 3 жыл бұрын

Neural still king for me! another fun interesting video... Love the pups in the Greco 🎸 please more comparison videos good stuff Gabor!👍☺

@nathanstatham Жыл бұрын

Neural DSP, as soon as you opened it up. WOW! With absolutely no tweaking needed right out of the box! Awesome review man!

@TSFAHTPS Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@kenbenny2906 3 жыл бұрын

The thing about Amplitube 5 is that IR cabs vastly outnumber the choices in other 2; and switching those along with the mic and room will change the sound, drastically. You don't even really need to tweak for a long time to find a tone that you like. Each 4x12 cab in Amplitube 5 uses arond 2400 IRs and there are many, many to chose from, as well as being able to load the cabs with different speaker combinations. The Neural does sound great but Amplitube is an amazing and deep option and for the price a no brainer.

@psycofdo 3 жыл бұрын

Sure, there's a lot of choices, but as an amplitube user, I always find them very dark to the point of making you doubt if the model is actually accurate or not. Lately i decided to try amplitube with custom irs. Got tired of trying to tweak all the time and do crazy eq moves trying to get the sound as bright as real world speakers.

@teriakamoto 3 жыл бұрын

@@psycofdo ..and ? What is the verdict ? Is it better with Custom IR's ? or are you still trying ? I ask because I just got 5MAX amplitube for my AXE I/O. Thanks Fernando.

@psycofdo 3 жыл бұрын

@@teriakamoto well i tried with nad ir, but i found that i have just 2 mics working stereo. So i was looking for a better solution and i found Libra, from ignite amps... you can load up to 8 irs and blend them to taste, and a clever feature, export a single ir with the mix you did on libra. With that i intend to mix speaker and mic combinations and also a room mic ir. I'll try it hopefully this week.

@justindore684 Жыл бұрын

@@psycofdo yeah what's the deal with them being so dark? Also, do you guys have issues with a lot hiss in the higher gain stuff? I absolutely need to use the dime noise gate in any hot setting I use.

@soysauce9296 Жыл бұрын

Most of us don't want THAT many options bro lol. I'd rather have a handful of expertly engineerrd IRs than an abundance of mediocre ones with infinite tweakability; that's just a recipe for option paralysis. Quality > Quantity.

@SkreamerOfficial 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome job dude. The difference between them is so obvious now!

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@federicoberti3915 3 жыл бұрын

FYI Neural is apparently modeling the SLO100 MKII, while both AmpHub and Amplitube models are based on the "classic" circuit. The MKII circuit has a different gain staging and a little different voicing (resulting in more gain/saturation and a slightly darker tone, just as showed in this video), plus it solves 2 of the main "issues" of the original SLO100 circuit: 1) the infamous fx loop configuration being always in the way and affecting the tone in a not-so-good way (albeit being considered one of the signature characteristics of the SLO sound) has been completely redesigned and made bypassable. 2) the Clean channel "bleed" into the OD channel causing phase cancellation (the Clean channel is 180° out of phase in the "bleeding" junction) and a different mids response has finally been removed. Plus, the Depth control wasn't in the original SLO100 design, it was originally a mod and has been added to the official version later on. All these changes have a pretty big impact on the final sound. Just wanted to point this out as people may be lead to think that the 3 models are based on the exact same circuit while they're not and this partly explains the noticeable differences.

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good point...thank you Federico!! Yeah they kinda updated the SLO now that Soldano is part of Boutique Amps...I didn’t even think about that!!

@JonManness 3 жыл бұрын

Part one and two of these comparisons were super helpful! I grabbed the AmpliTube SLO amp for free and it's good to know that a better cab IR can bring it to life. You ever review UAD's Suhr SE100? That thing sounds like a Marshall on steroids and is very satisfying to play.

@Walkerbjj 3 жыл бұрын

tried them...Neural was the clear winner for me...sounds unbelievable in a mix

@kukuhwahyu3448 2 жыл бұрын

I think Neural DSP is gonna work for me 😊 Very nice video by the way 🙏

@Armitage574 Жыл бұрын

Nice thx for the effort!

@JoshOlsonPersonal 10 ай бұрын

Neural for sure, awesome demo! 🤟

@michaelruiz3167 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review I think they are all quite similar through the two tone IR loader yet I did notice that you weren’t using the room mic option which gives you level, mic spread and room mic choices all found in the Amplitube 5 Max application you can also swop out speakers and cabinet mics in the cabinet option screen. I do agree that the Neural preset is immediately convincing its like being there IK’s model is more like listening in a control room. They all seem really well featured so I guess its just a matter of how you like to have fun with your guitar rig. Thanks again that was well done.

@mrcoatsworth429 3 жыл бұрын

That Greco is beautiful!

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much...It’s a great guitar!!

@81giorikas 3 жыл бұрын

I think amplitube through the same IR sounds the most natural of the three. The neural with stock cabs sounds clearer and louder somewhat so it's maybe better, but through the same IR...The neural has more gain and fizz the amplitube actually reminds me of my own soldano somewhat.

@irishRocker1 2 жыл бұрын

To me it sounds fizzy. There is some buzz in hte top end even on power chords. It sounded decent but Neural sounded more natural to me. I just felt myself hoping he'd go back to the neural. And when he did, it just felt right again. I don't own any of them so, unbiased opinion.

@81giorikas 2 жыл бұрын

@@irishRocker1 I downloaded the neural. For me it is terrible to be honest. I own a soldano avenger, it sounds nothing like that but I guess the avenger is a bit different. The damn pod hd is a better sound than the neural and it is more preferable I don't care if it is accurate or not. The neural when I play, sounds like a fried up weird distortion. Well, ok I may be a bit harsh but out of all the soldano sims AND my real soldano and even the jet city it ranks for me last, so much so that it is terrible. The fact remains that pete thorn almost emulated his real SLO with the neural so there is that. It's that I don't like it at all lol.

@usaflagraybans 2 жыл бұрын

@@81giorikas the SLO is a much different amp than an Avenger. It’s like saying my Ford Fiesta doesn’t drive like a mustang.

@81giorikas 2 жыл бұрын

@@usaflagraybans Oh no, that is bullshit. I can write down both circuits by hand and I know the differences. It is NOT so much a different amp or even the different engine in a car to give you an analogy. It is like, the same engine tuned a little differently and that is all. Like brothers but same genes not like a fiesta and a mustang!!! And depending on the years, I'd take a fiesta ST over the shitty american mustang (well excluding the latest one, I like that one).

@IanVase 3 жыл бұрын

I was one of those people that said....."compare with same IR" haha So thank you man. Appreciate you taking the time to do this. I kinda wonder because I didn't see you mess with the pedals at all on the Neural, if maybe one of the overdrive pedals may have been on for that. I thought you may have said it was a preset. I saw where you checked the eq and it wasn't on. Was thinking maybe that's why you were getting a bit more gain. Maybe not though. Also +1 for Incubus riff. What an insanely great band. Thanks again man!

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian...none of the pedals were on...it just seems to have more gain than the other two

@silentstormstudios 3 жыл бұрын

I think NeuralDSP might be goosing the gain a bit as they know that's what their target customer base wants.

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

@@silentstormstudios someone brought up that the Neural plug-in is probably based on the newest incarnation of the SLO-100 since they were bought by Boutique Amps...which has more gain and different gain staging to the more “vintage” SLO...which is what the AmpliTube and STL versions are probably based on

@chaoschaoforever 2 жыл бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS It's all but confirmed the Neural one is based on the newer model SLOs.

@pc_tech_gamer8360 2 жыл бұрын

I was liking the Neural DSP better at first, but after comparing it with the IR cabinets, I really like the Amplitube better. Cleaner / Brighter sounding, less muddy.

@robertmenzies6939 3 жыл бұрын

Great to be able to compare them but got to say all of them are so close that totally happy with any one of them and actually I have Amplitube 4 and 5 which for me works really well

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah once you start playing around with any of these plugins you can make them all sound great within a track...I’m not sure why that Metal T1 cab was picked for all the Soldano presets because I think it’s a pretty bad sounding cabinet...but once you change that cab and play with the EQ it sounds great to me...especially once you remove all the frequencies to make it fit in a track!

@robertmenzies6939 3 жыл бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS agreed

@silentstormstudios 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, agree. After comparing the Amplitube 5 SLO100 to the Nueral DSP version, I was ready to shell out the money for the Neural. But changing cab IRs, or even just cabs within Amplitube, really brings the Amplitube version to life. Given that I already own and like Amplitube, I've now changed my thinking on paying for the Neural DSP version. Would be money wasted when i can get such good results within Amplitube. Now, if I didn't already own Amplitube, it might be a different story. I do have the Neural DSP Granophyre, which is great. I bought that on impulse after downloading and comparing all of the Neural trial plugins. I liked the plugins so much that I figured I should own at least one of them, and the Granophyre's tone just did it for me.

@spiritofthetallhills2037 Жыл бұрын

Interesting thing with the amphub version is that it has the 3 switches on the left like a mk2 SLO but only has presence and no depth control like a mk1 SLO. Makes me wonder which one they based it off

@roggo_x 3 жыл бұрын

Very good video, thank you very much from Argentina, greetings

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!!

@NyneForte 2 жыл бұрын

with the same cabs, i really prefer the amplitube sound but they all sound great with the same IR

@TSFAHTPS 2 жыл бұрын

I think so too...

@Metalbass10000 3 жыл бұрын

Cool video. I've become a Neural DSP fan ever since Nameless. I think I'll be grabbing a copy of the Jeff Loomis JST, but otherwise I'm using a lot of Neural DSP (Nameless, Gojira, couple others here and there, Parallax on bass, after I sold my Ampeg SVT 4 pro). It seemed like early on that the Neural DSP was the only one that did not sound overly fuzzy and sizzling at a higher gain level, even though the level on the control was set lower. I kind of lost track of what you were doing, but it seemed like you're having some problems getting a good sound, and I never have any problems getting a high gain tone out of the Neural software, and never have issues of flubbiness or muddiness or too much sizzle or fuzz on top of it. Time for me to clean up and get back to work, I've got 5 guitars and 4 basses to be built, and starting today, videos to be made documenting the build processes. Wish you well, good luck sorting out the tones, whichever you choose you definitely will be able to create some really good tones

@psiga Жыл бұрын

Liking and commenting; thanks for this. Neural clearly wins the show, for me. I wonder what their secret sauce is!

@MrBikboi Жыл бұрын

Amplitude all the way. Tweak it a bit and you're golden.

@laughingatoblivion 3 жыл бұрын

Further evidence tone is in the (virtual) speakers! ;-)

@patlecat 3 жыл бұрын

@Gabor Isn't it curious that the GUIs of both the NeuralDSP and the STL plugins look so much alike?

@Dennisbluschke 3 жыл бұрын

Please keep in mind that the IK Multimedia Soldano was free to get a few weeks back.

@igorperekovic 5 ай бұрын

You have to mute the ambient microphones. Then you will get a much cleaner sound…Great job 😊😊

@gilldanier4129 2 жыл бұрын

I bought Amplitube 5 and it does have a very good tone, but I have to say there is something about it that feels stiff when I play it, like I'm having to work too hard with my fingers, some other sims seem better under the finger, cant really explain that. The other thing with sims is the high treble fizz which is awfull, I use a combination of cab sims that helps, but I think we could do with more cab sims with more flexability on the market.

@davel_ggw 3 жыл бұрын

Neural DSP is still reigning I would say. An actual SLO is rich, full, and loaded with harmonics, and the Neural DSP seems to come closest to capturing that. That said, the external IR, or even just tweaking the cab/mic in Amplitube made a massive improvement. Same with the external IR for the STL, it puts it much closer. Both wound up sounding very good, but still slightly behind the Neural DSP overall I think. Although in a full mix, the differences would probably become more minimal. And the others are more full featured suites, whereas with Neural DSP you are just getting the one amp, so there are pluses and minuses. Excellent job as always!

@jimmygrant3151 3 жыл бұрын

How are you recording without pickup up the guitar noise and pick noise? I'm in the dilemma about recording live through OBS, and talking and playing at the same time, but my guitar is being pickup up by my mic, which I only want OBS to capture my voice from the mic, and capture the audio from Reaper. You got an idea of how to solve this pickle?

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

I always edit the audio after I record it...it’s all recorded in Logic and before I attach it to the video in Final Cut I automate the volume of my vocal track so every time I play guitar the volume of my voice goes to zero and when I start talking the volume comes back up...it’s a bit of extra work but the final outcome is much better - in my opinion! Hope that helps

@seventallguitarist 2 жыл бұрын

I own a PodGO & there are 3 "Soldano" options (Solo Lead Clean, Crunch & OD). Have you messed with any of the Line-6 stuff compared to these plugins? I'm just wondering if I can ultimately get the same tones on the PodGO by noodling a bit & changing cabs or IR's. What I like about the Neural is that it seems to be ready to fly with the presets and minor tweaking. But I've also seen a few comments about the Neural taking up resources on a PC. So in the end, since I've already invested money into the PodGO and also already have the Amplitube Sodano plug in.... is it just a waste of time investing in the Neural? I seem to always be searching for the next best thing, yet it also seems like I might already have it. lol. Thanks in advance. GREAT videos and the comparisons were great.

@TSFAHTPS 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a really good question! I think we are always searching for the next, “better” thing…personally I really think that between the PodGo and the AmpliTube plugins you are pretty much set! I found that it was really easy to dial in great tones with the Neural plugin, but in the end you can get pretty much the same sound with AmpliTube if you spend a little time finessing the Cabs & Mics! You can always try the Neural plugin for free before you are investing money into it - I only had a free trial version in this video and see if it really works better for you?!?

@81giorikas 3 жыл бұрын

Actually the neural sounds pretty similar at times through the same IR with amplitube, maybe even a bit darker. But he doesn't touch the eq.

@MeTuLHeD 3 жыл бұрын

The Neural DSP FTW! Sounds amazing. Although I must say I have used the STL Tones quite a bit in my studio and it sounds great. However, it is decidedly lower in gain. It really must have a boost in front to get it into the same territory as the Neural DSP.

@spyware1100 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe not. Just need to adjust the input gain. I think stl now has auto learn function for that.

@CHARMONIUMGUITARS 10 ай бұрын

@@spyware1100 They do have the auto level option now.

@BeerandGuitars 2 жыл бұрын

I have the neural dsp and it is epic.i use the ml sound lab orange ir. Sounds even more epic.

@smash_adams 2 жыл бұрын

Why did you ignore the bright sqitch on Amplitubes Soldano? The other two sims had it flipped but you left it off on Amplitubes. Would have been good to hear

@drabbster 3 жыл бұрын

STL has these weird transients that just seem to have no attack. it just doesn't punch. I tried both Amplitube and Neural. My conclusion: The ampsim in Amplitube is a tiny bit more realistic than the one in the Neural Plugin but you have to work way harder to get a usable sound. You do have to tame the lowend with Amplitube even with the external cabsim though and Neural just has the presets that are ready to record, which is perfect for this day and age. I think the awesome presets and cabsims are basically what pushed Neural to the #1 spot in the whole ampsim game.

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you!!

@Paul_Lenard_Ewing 3 жыл бұрын

What a convenient review. I Compared both the AMT Legend Amps S2 and the Master Effects X88R both claiming to be a SLO. Both analog pedals sounded great but the X88R is damn close to the modelling sound. In short damn close to the amp itself. Cool!!! Thanx :-)

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Paul!! I’ve never tried the X88R...but I’ve tried a few AMT pedals and I was quite impressed with most of them

@Paul_Lenard_Ewing 3 жыл бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS I think you would be fascinated by the Master Effects line. Preamps from defunct amplifiers, tube pre's and unusual & fascinating things that are usable instead of just weird. The casings and graphics are all very pro. It's the one man show of Tim Gorjanc. He owns all expensive tech to do everything in house. But WTF he claims it all is just his hobby. Going thru his site makes a great read.

@MikePotvin 2 ай бұрын

I love STL Amphub a lots im a subscriber and i have so many amps and some sound even better than Neural because they sound less fake

@gingataff 3 жыл бұрын

You should run them all through the Neural IR

@terran236 2 жыл бұрын

Neural seems like it's for people that don't know what they are looking for. Having Played the Axe FX 2 and a few Tube amps, I know how to make Amplitube 5 sound great. Add to it the room mics work great for headphone practice. Just my opinion don't kill me. ._.

@simonwalker2073 Жыл бұрын

To do you real AB you want to record into your daw and flick between amps in here. Subtle differences in your playing with affect the sound a lot. For me, I like amplitube but I go for older style sounds and their fender collection is great for this.

@Deamonition 3 жыл бұрын

Love this video man. KZfaqrs never bother to at least compare plugins with their default IRs. The average consumer kinda wants to have built-in good sounding IRs. We're not paying 200$ for a full plugin to have shitty sounding IRs that require us to buy separate IRs. So anyway, I'm glad that you did to being your video. Thanks to this, I just lost interest in this new Amplitube 5

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Hugues B!! I still thing AmpliTube is a great plugin...it’s a bit overkill if you get the full MAX version but I think that the free version is KILLER...and they keep giving stuff away for free too AND you can try every piece of gear for free and there are lots of good sounding IRs in it...you just have to find them! I think it’s a bit like when you get a Helix or a Kemper...the presets are often not all that great, you have to spend a bit of time with it and make it work for you!

@Gogies777 2 жыл бұрын

Amplitube has so much amp,cab ,stomp and rack selections with few good IRs.It can also be acquired for $100 and that's the same cost of a single(only one) neural archetype. For average musicians and hobbyists, Amplitube 5 is great bang for the buck ,average consumer will find a way to make what they have to make it better.Having all these amps + great convolution plug ins and IR should be the next step and if one is lazy enough not to spend less and get the tone they want for so much money then be my guest. I Would probably pick up archetype Plini and Henson in the future to complement Amplitube 5 and not because one should be exclusively picked one over the other.

@Fiveash-Art 5 ай бұрын

What are your pots set to on that guitar? I tried zooming in to have a look but couldn't make it out. I've got an Epiphone LP modern .. and it looks similar to your style guitar. I'm using a good interface the Clarett+2 pre but I'm still getting a boomy muddy sound with that same default setting in the Soldano 'the Neural one'. I just can't figure out why everyone else sounds so perfect .. but mine sounds like crap. I'm a guitar novice, but I still like to make noise with my guitar .. just want to at least make the power chords and stupid chug 'music' I'm doing sound better. Any help is appreciated. Also how loud are you turning your volume up on your interface input?

@TSFAHTPS 5 ай бұрын

I usually run the guitar volume and tone on full! As for the interface…I’m pretty sure the Clarett+2 has a switchable input…make sure that’s set to the Hi-Z JFET setting…and as for the input gain/volume I usually just try to make sure it doesn’t clip when you strum the guitar really hard - hopefully that helps

@Fiveash-Art 5 ай бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS hmm .. I don't see a 'Hi-Z JFET' setting .. It's got a line input and instrument and then Air .. Yeah, I've got my guitar set like that .. just everything turned full and flip switch to treble setting. It's probably because I'm using some heavier gauge strings tuned to Drop C 😂 I think I'm just going to have to screw with the eq and drop off all that low end. Probably would also help to learn to play better.

@TSFAHTPS 5 ай бұрын

@@Fiveash-Art I think you do that via the Focusrite Control Software?!?

@Fiveash-Art 5 ай бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS Yeah, that's what I was looking at. There's no option for that in the settings at all for the inputs. Line, Instrument, and Air. All 'Air' seems to be is an eq boost in the crispy higher end, that's all there is.. the settings are just clocking etc. I think I need to also do what you're saying about pushing the volume just before clipping. Could be why I'm getting that mushy, wimpy sound with the high gain. I'm not turning up enough. I notice I just can't hear the punch of the string. It's just that distortion sound.

@johnmosher3080 3 жыл бұрын

Neural everyday all day

@vovindequasahi 2 жыл бұрын

TBH I think you can probably get a similarly awesome tone with Amplitube Soldano as with Neural DSP, if you fiddle more with the cabinet gear and controls. The presets out of the box on Amplitube are just not very good, unfortunately, unlike the standard presets of the Neural DSP. The STL AmpHub was subpar to the other two, imo.

@msteele0 Жыл бұрын

Neural DSP FTW.

@cmd_f5 3 жыл бұрын

Still think the NDSP sounds more beefy. The STL and A5 are either muddy or just lacking something. All quite similar but not quite enough heft. Stl sounded a little hollow in chugs. A5 was better though perhaps kind of ... raspy? Chewy? Something like that. I've played with a few SLO emus and they all try to get the sticky gain thing down with varying success. External IR helped the others out quite a bit though. I think it's all just preference. Could probably get STL and A5 to do what I want with some pre EQ and post EQ before the IR. Either way it's a great time to be a plugin guitar player. Great followup vid

@averagejoeguitar9537 2 жыл бұрын

I just bought Neural DSP SLO-100 and man I couldn't put my guitar down the presets are amazing and I have a heap of plugins. I think this will become a favourite quickly. And I like ML Sound Labs and have all the others guitar rig (This is the worst!) Bias FX and not a fan either if I am honest, I like STL Tonehub sounds but Amphub not as good as the ML or Neural. I use Captor X for my tube amps. So for me ML Sound Labs and Nueral are the best sounding and best feel. ML Sound lab Miko and 2 Notes Wall of sounds are also awesome

@randpresley1666 Жыл бұрын

Late to the party but in observation, the comparison may have not been completely in parity. Perhaps if the input setting were addressed may have impacted the gain for each ampsim. However, NeuralDSP seemed a more quality product in this comparison.

@wendelllaffin240 3 жыл бұрын

excellent video... the Neural DSP is superior in every way IMO.

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Wendell!!

@danpena7922 2 ай бұрын

Have you checked out the updated Neural Soldano amp sim? I would never pay for an amp sim but I did for the Nueral. Shocked myself. Actually.

@TSFAHTPS 2 ай бұрын

No I haven’t yet…gotta try it!!

@danpena7922 2 ай бұрын

Well , this video was a huge inspiration for me to do so as well. Great!

@Horforfait 3 жыл бұрын

Neural DSP ..... number ONE

@Chinaguitarsceptic 3 жыл бұрын

🤪🤘

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

Miss ya Mike

@david_farmer 2 жыл бұрын

Wow the default cab for the IK doesn't do it any favors. Clearly there are other included choices that would make a (subjectively of course) better default setting. I still prefer the Neural DSP using it's own cabinet over the other two.

@Enice43 2 жыл бұрын

We're do I get ir for amplitude max

@TSFAHTPS 2 жыл бұрын

If you have AmpliTube Max you don’t need any IRs…that comes with a LOT of speakers and Mics! From memory I used an external IR loader (Two Notes Wall of Sound) and a Celestion Plus IR in this video so all three plugins used the same IR…there is a link to Celestion Plus in the video description

@jsixtvf 2 жыл бұрын

The IK Multimedia one is very reliable, now worth the price cause it is into Amplitube 5 MAX packing (not before) DSP one is more natural and superior. Difference is subtle, it is about Impulse Responses mainly. Neural is the option if you want the Soldano real sound, but Amplitube is more a must of if you want a good and wide palette of sounds. The Custom Shop models by Mesa, Orange, Carvin and Soldano are really good for price if you buy MAX version.

@465marko Жыл бұрын

It is Zed-Zed Top, I think you'll find.

@TSFAHTPS Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!

@DLJFTW 3 жыл бұрын

Neural DSP has the best tonal balance and tonal width, but the other two are better in terms of dynamics and feel/depth, especially noticeable when playing muted strings.

@TheLithGH Жыл бұрын

They all sound better than my $30.00 Waves GTR pugins! hahaha!!

@marcosfernandez4594 Жыл бұрын

For me is like neural dsp has almost a perfect tone in the default settings and in amplitube you have to work much more to get a better sound, it's like neural don't let you sound bad.

@jacobsmith1877 3 жыл бұрын

The Neural plugin has better focus and punch. It just sounds good without any work.

@hailmaryrecordings8255 3 жыл бұрын

“Zed-Zed Top” ... ha!

@Nico_Conradie 2 жыл бұрын

Any of these Plug Ins dialed in right will and can sound the same. That said Amplitube is still the best by far, you just get everything you might ever need in one package.

@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын

Why is amplitube 5 always too dark and woofy sounding, ??

@jackbootshamangaming4541 Жыл бұрын

Try the Slowrunner by Vadim. It is the best SLO amp sim there is

@TSFAHTPS Жыл бұрын

I will check it out - thank you!

@Amusiastudio 10 ай бұрын

Amplitube wins. Has a clearer more 3d sound. Hint: if you want these amps to sound even better try running them at higher sample rates.

@Jordan-ht6oo 3 жыл бұрын

so the amplitube to me sounded the worst for the "default" setting / the STL amphub sounded pretty good to my ears / but finally neural dsp really takes the cake on this what a plugin. i currently have the gojira archetype and man it sound amazing like i have a real amp in my ears, best 159$ ive spent.

@helamanavalos9806 5 ай бұрын

you missed the one on biasfx 2

@allendean9807 3 жыл бұрын

As much as i like the neural SLO plugin, it’s a resource hog... I’m having an issue with it sucking up my CPU usage....

@Walkerbjj 3 жыл бұрын

I think Neural sounds WAAAAYYY better than the other brands. I actually sold my Kemper because of Neural..BUT, I do agree with you..I render one of my rhythm tracks so that I can mute the other tracks until its time to mix. That has solved my issue

@allendean9807 3 жыл бұрын

@@Walkerbjj that’s a good tip.. I’m experimenting with freezing tracks, to ease up processing... if it works, I’ll lyk

@Walkerbjj 3 жыл бұрын

@@allendean9807 it works perfect bro. when its time to mix/master, just delete the tracks you froze or rendered and then unmute the other tracks. I've done this the last few months and its 100% solved the issue. Hopefully it works well for you as well. Neural has seriously figured something out tonally the other companies haven't. I can't freaking believe how great their plugins sound

@tricko2286 3 жыл бұрын

Also, if you’re running in a PC, change power mode to “high performance”

@Olican71 Жыл бұрын

I dont have Neural so I can’t comment much but i can confidently say that by far STL is the best amp sim software and all sound choices are so close to reality. I have used AmpliTube 4 and 5 and they have got great visual effects but nowhere near to the sound quality of stl, by watching this video it will be very difficult for the viewers but without personally trying such videos give you some sort of deceptIve view since the person tests the software is such good guitarist so they make everything sound good.

@TSFAHTPS Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for liking my playing!! STL is great…all three of these plugins are great and can be used for great sounding recordings!!

@joejohnson8966 Жыл бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS Very well said. People can be happy knowing they have great tones using any of these.

@MatthiasBuesing 3 жыл бұрын

Neural DSP blows all of them out of the water....

@omicronvariant7279 2 жыл бұрын

One sounded like a Boss GT from 20 years ago. Useable but.. 😐

@OverdriveMusic 2 жыл бұрын

Amplitube is so annoying. I paid for a version, but most presets load with loud af white noise because they want you to buy those presets. And the sound is shrill and harsh. So I downloaded the trial of Neural Dsp and it sounds great.

@af4396 2 жыл бұрын

I don't care how much content these sims throw at you, what matters is quality for recording and the nDSP just blows the others out of the water. Amplitube has a lot of features but it has that very digital breakup sound, fizzing on top of everything and it's not easy to EQ out because it's not just a small range of frequencies, it's pretty much artifacting throughout the whole spectrum. So, nDSP would get my money.

@godsinbox 3 жыл бұрын

difference of presence frequency and tightness of distortion grit. easy too bad everyone trashed line6 for doing this 25 years ago

@snap-off5383 2 жыл бұрын

25 years ago Line 6 was sitting with a scope, and their ears and trying themselves to match the sound and get a good transfer function. The modern ones are done using A.I. Think of it like the Line 6 tech was IBM's Deep Blue II, able to defeat humans, with its super-powered human-created computations. The modern sims are the stockfish on our phones, designed and tuned by A.I. that can totally thrash Deep Blue II with a fraction of the computing power. They're night and day different. Their first Variax had no transfer functions at all, just eq settings labeled different types of acoustic guitars.

@vokko17 2 жыл бұрын

11:15 4:24

@TheSpartan_G Жыл бұрын

11:14 Does Two Notes pay you? Because if not - they should. The one thing for me personally about most amp sims is that there's almost always some sort of weird fizzle in the high end and trying to EQ it out usually removes the full range/open sound of the guitar. For the last year and a half I've been barely playing and stopped doing session work. The only amp I have to record right now is a Dumble SSS clone which sounds and records absolutely amazingly when you want the thing that amp does. I have a slew of plugins and use different ones for different things, but getting back into doing session work again after a long break and not being attached to any specific workflow right now, I'm absolutely grabbing the Two Notes Wall of Sound and STL Amphub. I've never been sold so fast on a piece of software before.

@TSFAHTPS Жыл бұрын

The Two Notes stuff is amazing…I’ve been a long time user of various Torpedo load box and IR loaders and the Wall of Sound! They don’t pay us but we have been working with them for a little while now …I just think they make genuinely great stuff!! Look into their Captor X, it makes recording so much more consistent and easier. Alex, the other guy in most of our videos was very sceptical at first - he’s a bit of an analogue guy - but he loves using that stuff now too!!

@TheSpartan_G Жыл бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS True! I appreciate the recommendation. I’ve looked into reactive load boxes before but never had a use for it before with just the one amp I have, considering I have a 2x12 G12-65 cab that pairs very well with it. BUT I didn’t realize how good can IR’s actually are now and that there was a plug-in like that. I have a few individually sourced can IR’s but this vid opened my eyes to how much more use I could get out of all my other amp plugins with Wall of Sound. Knowing Wall of Sound is that good it’s definitely possible that I’ll start investing in some amp heads when work gets going again because the number one concern for me that drove me to plugins for work in the first place is cab recording volume, and I move a lot so building a good isolation cab that’s mobile has been a struggle lol.

@meigpaps 2 жыл бұрын

Jurgen Klopp

@TSFAHTPS 2 жыл бұрын

Haha…really?? I guess I have glasses…and a short beard…and my mum is German

@rock.n.roll.patriarchy 10 ай бұрын

so, the worst sim is Amphub?

@TSFAHTPS 10 ай бұрын

I don’t think there is a “worst” one…they are all really good in my opinion! The most important thing is always how you like the workflow …in the end with a tiny bit of EQ and different IRs you can make them all sound great for your recordings

@farko63 2 жыл бұрын

Missing a must have: THU ....

@PASHKULI Жыл бұрын

NeuralDSP has got more fizz buddy, compared to Amplitube 5

@RobertMurphy-wm3ge Жыл бұрын

I thought the Soldano was known for tight crunchy like amphub model. I am desperately trying not to give Neural any money because frankly they are WAY overcharging

@OrangeMicMusic 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair: 1) In reality, if you have an amp, just changing the cab and mics makes a huge difference. The presets for these 3 plugins are having different cabs and mics, so you cannot compare them. 2) Even if you're using the same cabsim, the amps sims are different because they were modeled from different SLO's. Again, even in reality 3 different SLOs would sound different, so you'd need to adjust the knobs. So...the video is interesting, but it doesn't prove that an amp sim sounds better than others.

@TSFAHTPS 3 жыл бұрын

I’m not trying to prove one sounds better than the other...I’m just comparing three amp sims because people asked me to compare them

@OrangeMicMusic 3 жыл бұрын

@@TSFAHTPS But that's exactly the point of a comparison :)...otherwise there's no comparison at all. The reason I wrote my comment was because I saw a lot of people getting it wrong - one sounds better than others. And I'm not against any amp sims here, I just know that this type of "comparison" does not do any good.

@Gogies777 2 жыл бұрын

@@OrangeMicMusic I guess it's up to the people to know this subtle details themselves.He (the uploader) even explained on a previous post that the Neural and Amplitube were based on different amp sims (new sol(higher gain) and old sol) respectively.I understand the frustration when fanboys make sweeping statements like what you mentioned but there is fanboy ism on everything.Glad that there are few like you who understood the importance of paying attention to details.I learned a lot from this video and now can use the info to make amplitube 5 sound better from default.

@JtheMaige 3 жыл бұрын

Neural. That is all. I own them all so I can say it I guess. Its just truly a better example to me.

@felipepassoni4301 3 жыл бұрын

Amplitube souding like shit, STL being good, and neural being the best. Everything as usual.

@tomix1970pl1 3 жыл бұрын

So in my opinion Amplitube 5 Soldano is a big fuck up at the moment.New IR will help?Neural DSP is a King.Second place for ML Sound Lab.And BIAS,Amplitube and Line 6 are much lower and at this point not worth of spending money for.I don't like STL AMP HUB at all.I had subscription but no more.

@inVINSONable1 Жыл бұрын

Amplitube smashes Neural but your settings are not near dialed in where Nueral is so basic that it only has its one trick pony sound. Neural where you can own an unrealistc overpriced manipulated sound, or for the cost of just 2 amps on Neural (LOL!) you can own literally every piece of gear worth owning since the beginning of music....lol One uses about 25 million in processing equipment over millions of samples of each slight adjust to the setting, or go with Neural where you get less than 200 samples from one single receiving device that any of us could own per amp and all of the companies profit is put in to sleek appearance and advertising on the internet to convince people to pay almost retail for the the real thing. Free software updates you say ? That is why nothing improves as they got your sale 10 years ago and there is zero incentive to waste time on making the experience you paid for a decade ago. Basic business folks. Also listen up folks Neural sounds killer off the rip yet no amp without settings touched ever sounds killer when its plugged in ?!? That is called manipulating your base by fluffing sound. That tells you its artificial immediately. Next time put a real amp up to compare and watch where each stacks...