I solemny swear to never rush BoV on supports again

Personally, I don't agree with not rushing Fatalis on Freya. More attack speed increases her ability to clear in lane and allows her to throw out more autos that already have a high base damage.

Please, make a video that list all the items that all roles should pick up early game

Duke: Do a video on which items it DOES make sense to build early for various roles, please?

Some additions that I didn't mention because I considered them to obvious, realizing in hindsight that some people may still not know: Deathbringer/Malice, %pen such as Executioner, Titan's Bane, Obsidian Shard

Still in assault bloodforge is always the first item for almost every hunter and Chronos Pendant for almost every mage

Rod. Of. Tahuti.

When my stubborn clan mates go "That's just his opinion" They're also the people to say "Why am I doing no damage" with ninja tabi and fatalis

Me: build protections you're getting shredded Pleb Friend: ok *just buys breastplate of valor and nothing else*

*proceedes to make a Boots into Book of the Dead build*

awilix Support? is the world coming to and end :p I would also saw Nemenion Lion shouldn't get picked up too early. even if vs multiple hunters

I solemny swear to never rush BoV on supports again.

Duke can you do a video about good early items? Thanks

THANK YOU !!!!! I have been sooo irritated with supports for soo long for cdr boots into bpov...

Got my first Penta in Arena the other day, done as Izanami. Opponents were Amaterasu, Neith, Hel, Artemis, and another Izzy. Build in order- Ninja Tabi- 20 Physical Power, 100 Mana, 20% Attack Speed, 18% Movement Speed Ichaival- 30% Attack Speed, 10 Physical Penetration, (Basics raise Physical Power by 10 and reduce enemy's by 10 for 3 seconds up to 3 stacks) Poisoned Star- 30 Physical Power, 15% Attack Speed, 15% Critical Strike Chance, (Crits lower enemy movement speed and damage by 20% for 2 seconds) Wind Demon- 30 Physical Power, 10% Attack Speed, 20% Critical Strike Chance, (Crits raise Attack and Movement Speed by 20% for 5 seconds) Bloodforge- 75 Physical Power, 15% Lifesteal, (Killing an enemy creates a shield with 200 health+10 per player level for 20 seconds and while active increases Movement Speed by 10%) The Executioner- 30 Physical Power, 25% Attack Speed, (Basic Attacks reduce enemy physical protection by 12% for 3 seconds up to 3 stacks) Got it late game(was the only level 20 in the match at the time, had a 2-3 level lead against all opponents), Amy was not part of the Penta, ended up killing Artemis twice during it. The Executioner wasn't purchased as a necessity, just to have a full build. Basically got the Penta due to Bloodforge shields. Just rained basics on a group of three(Artemis, Neith, Izzy), then two more came out of spawn(Hel, Artemis) and I finished up by killing Artemis under tower. Ended up going 23/5/16. Don't know why I'm posting that here, but I felt like sharing. :P

Ive been waiting for it :D. Could u do a video about Izanami and how to counter her ?

on morrigan in jungle i go bumba's mask, hourglass, pen boots, obsidian shard and then chronos pendant. is that viable? or should i change it to pythagorems piece?

Dukesloth you should do an in-depth video on items that should be bought early

So for fatulis would putting it after boots be fine or should I put an item after boots then fatulis

I see your point,but for some gods I build I need the cool down.Some gods do little damage when their basic attack and need their spells to be most effective.

Fatalis I like in the 3rd/4th spot on specific hunters. On ADC I build typically Deaths Toll, Devours Gauntlets, Boot, then either Fatalis or Ich

There are some exeptions like Chronos pendant on Hel is actually what you want early because of the passive and the MP5 that was increased.

sands of time, pen boots, chronos pendant, poly, o shard, rod, soul reaver on morrigan is amazing though. I play ranked joust and building chronos early allows for more ults and some ridiculous stealth outplay

I like gladiators after boots in solo lane should I just build normally after I get it? sell it later? idk I just love it for boxing but don't know what to build after.

Hey Duke, thx for the info. One question: What's your opinion on building Spear of Deso after boots on jungle Morrigan, since you can really stack with her?

What exactly should I be focusing to build with damage dealers (mages, hunters, assassins)? Would it be better to focus on damage, penetration (if so would I use flat or percentage?), cooldown reduction, or attack speed? Then there are guardians when I am confused on when to build defense or counter items. Finally there are warriors who have the choices of damage, defense, or counter items. I am relatively inexperienced so whenever I choose a god I build either damage or defense only with few occasions of building penetration or cooldown.

On neith, is wind demon best after boots? Or should i get another item first?

The one item I would argue about is bloodforge. In almost all cases, you are right it is really not worth it for the early game. As 1st item in assault when playing a hunter, it allows you to have a tone of early game damage on autos as well as abilities and it allows you to stay alive a lot longer which means that you will have an easier time getting ahead. Although, if the enemy team has more than 1 tank it is usually a better idea to get some flat pen off the start. PS The chronos pendant drives me nuts in assault. Mages almost always get it as a 1st item and then fall behind because they are doing hardly any damage with their abilities.

Duke sloth I have a question is stone cutting ok earlier like 1st or 2nd item or should I put it more twords 3rd or 4th

I tend to buy early Breastplate for really aggressive supports, who just focus on bullying the enemy duo back to their tower and helping clear the minions at the cost of protecting its adc. Xing Tian for a good example, also works with aggressive Warrior supports like Sun Wukong. Breastplate means more early Sun Wukong Cudgels, which means more lane pressure and more damage on the enemy adc. And give an ideal scenario you might even towerdive with the ultimate and Breastplate ready.

Ah man I love your videos so much, keep it up!

I rush hastened on Bakasura in a lot of game modes. Sometimes I honestly wont even build boots on Baka, just Hastened into a stone cutting sword cuz you have enough movement speed, and you have 30 protection reduction, 10 flat pen, and you're free to build into a poisoned star next item and hit crazy hard with a mid game Bakasura :)

The only time i'll ever build bloodforge early is in Assault on some hunters. In Assault you need sustain and lifesteal is a good way to keep your hp healthy especially when there are no healers and little hp5 regen. The options for building lifesteal would be bloodforge or asi or soul eater. while asi may be decent and soul eater can give you a lot of regen they'll both end up with your auto attacks doing almost nothing. So often i'll take bloodforge so my auto attacks will be viable early and i'll have some regeneration. or i'll get crafty and do some odd build by only getting like tier 2/1 of bloodforge for regen and getting something like boots.

What would you recommend instead of Bloodforge early then? Asi?

I'm a diamond ranked conquest and I see a lot of thantos building blood forge early. is there some upside to this. (I don't play jungle)

Is there any good replacement for hastened fatalis, cause i really miss the passive, when im playing hunters at the moment, although i play mostly arena.

I agree with everything ; if you wanna built a sustain item earlier the better choose over Bloodforge would be Asi as it gives you pen,lifesteal and attack speed and the gold spent on Bloodforge could then be used on a second item aka boots

So what are you suppsoed to buy before Chronos pendent?

Question, as Nu Wa what would you suggest I get after boots and Dynasty Plate if I get that?

Hastened Fatalis is a great early pick for Medusa after Ninja Tabi. Along with her passive she becomes almost impossible to hit or get away from. Usually build Deathbringer and Poison Star on top of that followed by something for pen depending on the circumstance. Finishing it off with an item like Desolation or Qin's Sais isn't a bad idea.

BoV is great for agressive supps in arena, like Ymir or Hades, even as a sceond item. It just requires you to be extra careful at first and pick your initiations carefully.

For the most part I agree with this, but I think that you should make one more exception. The sands- CDR boots- chronos pendant chang'e mid works because she never backs to base. She can get far enough ahead early with a decent jungle rotation that building void stone next (as it is really cheap for the t2 that does give a lesser aura) and then the bunny can bring the better version when she gets that farm is really strong.

By early what do you mean? first second item or 3rd /4th

How about a video on what are good slot items after boots for different gods and positions.

Question, is double ichaival (physical/magical) viable on hunters or no? i saw this on some hunters but haven't tryed it yet other than vs bots. it does double stack no matter what but is it viable ?

What are your thoughts about building Transcendence? Does it makes sense to build it first or second?

Hey dukesloth thnx for the info you provide in these vids, they really help me and my team but I have a question.I see carries building early game items such as ichival are there items like thus for supports? should I sell my auras later on?

Not related to the video, but does anyone know when the new consumables are coming to console, cant find the info anywhere. thanks

It would be great if Hirez gives us the option to view items without going into the god builders in the main menu. I would love to get a list and then sort items according to price and popularity.

Dukessloth but IN assault we should build bloodforge if we are playing as a hunter or assassin ?

hey duke what do u think about stone of binding and gladiators shield ? i see no one picking it up and no one talks about it which is sad i love the items

Hey Duke, do you recommend pythags as a support item now with its recent changes? ive been picking it up if my adc decided to build transcendence instead of devos and it seems to be working out pretty well

Hastened Fatalis is a must on 1 or 2 for Medusa. It stacks perfectly with her passive.

I usually buy Rod Of Tahuti as the fifth or last item in my Build. It increases Magical power by percentage and if you dont have a lot of power to begin with it dosen't have much of an impact.

Is buying heartseeker after boots good in the jungle?

i have a Short question what doesnt fit to your great Video. is There the possibility that berzerk ullr skin gets avaible again?

Hmm... how do you walk? I mean what keys do you use because it looks like you use your A W B for abilities. Please respond

I really love ur channel, congratulations for urs videos.

How exactly can you calculate flat pen? I don't understand how it affects damage output.

Ok I run into this situation a decent amount of the time, say you start tier 1 devo gloves. Then you get a kill or two and when you back you have enough gold to get bloodforge or gloves. Is it worth buying bloodforge or getting gloves and tier 1 or 2 of a second item?

What are some good, cheap items I should get for burst mages? A lot of good items are expensive. :(

Fatalis first item on freya is/was justifiable because the attack speed DOES allow her to clear much earlier than boots do. She's relying 100% on her 2 to clear, so getting a few extra uses out of it makes a massive difference at level 1

ok bloodforge I get for the shield. On thana the mad ults in arena (I stress arena only) it is very handy get out of kill risky problem.

Disagree with the chronos pendant, especially on gods like he bo. If you time it right, he has a .8 second cooldown on his 1. Also, for gods who have some issues with safety yet have some sustain/iffy escape, like isis, change, ra and such, it can keep you out of danger, you don't have to worry about mana for the most part, and you can still clear decently well, as well as poke without worrying that your clear won't be up for next wave.

Can you put that late game build of this video? Awillix

Ftw why death bringer is not the first item when I play my tank X neith?

what about chronos pendant and bloodforge on assault?

Rod of Tahuti is usually the second or third item I buy when playing Thoth in mid

Intersting...I actually never thought of not building certain items early. Though of this list, the only I ever really do is Chrono's Pendant sometimes and Breastplate. Something to consider next time I go look at the items. In the meantime, I solemnly swear to never rush BoV on supports again...like ever...maybe.

Can you do a video on Hel's change? I've used her recently and she feels like she has more potential but is more difficult to use with the change on her light stance heal. And now that her one explodes and can hit multiple targets it seems like her overall damage went up.

what's your movement buttons keyed as if your skills are A, W and R?

Duke, I have a tendency to rush bloodforge all the time. I have a very specific build that I use when rushing this item and most of the modes that I play. And because of my place though I can typically make it work.

I personally build blood forge early game on thanatos because it gives him way more life steal and power on his 1 and it is easy to snowball.

I am only a Loki player so CDR is important. The more often I can go invincible, the better so I can constantly get the OP Backstabbing bonus.

I like rushing breastplate on Guan support, but I usually build tank boots and sometimes vanguard

The hasten tip i agree for characters without a steroid, i actually use hasten as a astarter on my bakasura and by the time i have my ult i can shread hp with the steroid and attack speed, note i really only see bakasura getting hasten fast because of his steroid

On gods, ignore their weaknesses, capatilize on there strengths with a little mix of what u need. then boom, you unlock the God's full potential! what to build at start? a starter item for sure, then movement speed. the next item depends on situation. Aim for dps (damage per second) on hunters, so high damge with 1 or 2 attack speed items, DONT FORGET TO HAVE SOME CRIT CHANCE. Assassins you want high damage "Usually". if u have someone like nemesis whos abilities dont do much u aim for high dps for your basic attacks like hunters. Gaurdians u want to make them tough which means protections. look at your enemies and see what type of damage they all deal and then build the protection against them. dont worry about putting on damage items for gaurds, they dont need it 😈. Mages u want high damage all the way unless u have someone like sol or Freya, grab at least 1 or 2 attack speed items for them and then build other items that say they give bonus damage like the one that deals an extra 10%max health as bonus damage. Warriors are like gaurdians except they deal physical damage. same rule applies for them as gaurdians too, a little attack speed can help them become more deadly, other than that, hit a few protections, 1 item that gives hp5 and mp5 , then the rest is up to you. learn the gods by going into the god section from the main menu. click on one of the gods on go down to abilities. read about them and see how much power they take from the items you build. if everything but the ultimate takes below around 50% of your items power, go for your basic attacks or items that grant bonus damage. gaurds no unless your in a situation where youre like "okay i can use some extra damage". oh and 1 last thing, learn to fight with your team! respond asap when teamates need you to fo something. actually i have another thing to say. dont be that guy fighting 1v5 and screaming at your team to help. you dont know whos not good yet on your team and if u are the only warrior or gaurdian, the enemy team will run past u and kill them because mages, hunters, and assassins become the bigger threat bevause the once big threat gaurd or warrior is now distracted, (which to the enemy team feels like you are afk). rambling ( i see people do this and get my whole teamed killed and everyone is yelling at me. enemy team took no damage during their suicidal attempt. based off of that its easy to tell that even if i helped we could of got 1 or 2 kills, "COULD" Meaning it could also be 0. we still would have all got wiped out in the end. once my two or 3 abilities are down and yall doin 0 damage, tf else is there to do except sit there n get our asses handed to use. i was he bo with no ult. its stupid for hebo to get "IN THE MIDDLE" not on the side of the battle IN THE FKING MIDDLE and try to attack with NO ULT and your teamates are dying. i mean any person with a brain, is good at this game, and pictures whats gonna happen in this situation can see how it will not turn out well for that hebo. talkin bout if i helped theyd of not died. btch i helped from the sides, yes i ran away with full health after i seen you all about to die hebos health dont matter he can get 1 shotted by EVERYTHING!

would building rage on a hunter first be fine?

so if you buy these items very early game, will you be more likely to fall off late game?

Soul Reaver is one I see often in their first slot (usually in Assault).

is sash a good item to start early

obsidian shard (kinda mentioned), titans bane, book of the dead and maybe mantle

could you not argue that building chronoscope pendant on The Morrigan early will allow for many more uses of her ult

Bloodforge is really nice on Bell right off bat.... my build get normally around 10-15 time on avage and only dies about 1 or 2 times depending on hold ball-z i get

I'd beg to differ with Chronos Pendant, but only on Assault really. That MP5 really helps with sustaining on assault, there are better and cheaper items but it's situational I suppose. Each of the items you listed are usually built by people who are comfortable with their play style or are new and build everything off the recommended menu. Either way I always build bloodforge and chronos pendant first in assault just to make sustaining easier for myself and my team. Good video though.

i cant see the video now, could someone tell me about what items he speak??,

The only thing i do is blood forge 3rd item on thanatos because if i dive or ult into a group of people. But thats all i do that is listed in this.

in arena, Hastened and bloodforge together work pretty ell for many hunters as 2nd and 3rd items after boots though, especially if we're talking about ability powered hunters ith good power scaling, like Hou Yi for eaxmple, or even Cupid, though I'd rather build all my hunters for crit, I do see that pair often on opponents, and it's oddly effective, even I build bloodforge as 3rd item on hunters in arena

Spear of desolation is a good early game item... Remember in season 3 when a lot of people build Chronos pendant after boots/stacking item? That costs 2800 gold back then. Spear gives you 10% cdr less but 20 flat pen extra or the same price. especially against a 2 guardian or 2 warrior comp.

Duke, have you got an idea of how you want to build awilx in S4?

Most of the time in Arena and Clash when I pretend to go for Chronos' Pendant I end up buying Rod of Tahuti because there's not much of a gold difference, and after building the tier 2 I always farm enough gold for the latter. It is so hard to say no to Tahuti...

Is stone of Gaia a good idea as a first item? (Solo, someone w/ sustain let's say Guan)

Omg dukesloth playing assassin support 😱 You should definitely try Ne Zha and Fenrir support. They're both really fun and can be really effective.

Maybe this is not the place, but what are your thoughts about Ninja VS Warrior tabi on hunters?

Gem of Iso, I agree is most well-known on Poseidon, but don`t forget Ah-Puch on whom this is also a great early item. I am curious what your thoughts are on rushed Mantle of Discord on guardians, especially Khepri. I usually build it as second item since I don`t want to waste buying and later selling Breastplate of Valor and it also gives magical defense, however it takes a long time before it comes on-line.

Yo duke, I've recently noticed since season 4 has started that people have a gold star above their rank X. Just wondering how they got it?

What about rushing Fatalis on bakasura after boots?

Fatalis always comes before boots on Freya. Especially last season. Without that extra attack speed she could only get 4 shots off if you remember old soul stone, not being able to get that ranged 4th basic is so bad it slows down her clear. Besides Freya can't do anything without Fatalis to begin with. I even tested it, Fatalis before boots yielded better results. The attack speed helps her clear far more than the power from boots.

Poor Athena... she didn't get the "diamond skins only" memo :(

can you do a vid of the best items to start with in early game im curious to see your opinion after watching this lol