Those SW40VEs and SD9 definitely get a lot of (undeserved) hate. The functional quality on those guns has probably stayed reasonably consistent over the years too. I never got into M&Ps for some reason, but that MC28 looks more appealing to me than a current M&P 2.0. Who would have thought that Turkey of all places would end up flooding the U.S. market with improved copies of so many different police and military pistols?