Did you build the trike for your dad

@@teeg431 ya it wasn't cheap though I kinda want over board it can out nice I went with a small gas engine at the end my dad didn't want to much power but for the electric it a front hub I asked around and was told to go as big as possible because there not that great so I did it's okay perfect for my dad but if it was for me I did car for the electric as much and would go bigger with the gas engine but I like power it hard to find a way to put a lot of power out most of the parts don't handle more then 15hp I originally was going for 25 or more but couldn't find much converter that could transfer that much and no one really does tryke Wich make it cool at least I think so. Thanks for asking

You need to stop lying dude lol 😝

@@lesjones5684 okay sure

Thanks for the background info on the Smoking Loon bikes. We thought it was such a curious name for a beach cruiser. Actually, it's a strange name for a wine company too LOL.

Interesting

Thank you kindly!!

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Thank you very much!

Thanks!

Did you build it? I would like too see a British take on this.

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Thanks so much!

Thanks. Appreciate it!

212cc Predator engine, 7hp, from Harbor Freight

The wheels we used were custom built and are very strong. We've broken many wheels in the past and finally came up with wheels that can handle the power. We appreciate your comment.

@@agkracing140 could you tell me your wheel and spoke combo please??

We avoided this engine position for a long time for the reasons you mention. Two things ended up convincing us it will work. First, we saw a video of an engine running with a clear plexiglass side cover. The cam gear actually plays a big role in getting oil to the top end. Second, we had several friends run their engines upright without issue. As odd as it may seem, it works.

They come from China so they have some issues you might expect. But, when we tear them down and throw some quality performance parts in them, they are great engines. No complaints. The best thing about the power delivery is the torque. These engines have mad torque!

We resisted mounting an engine upright like this for several years. Without going into all of the details, simply put, we watched a number of friends do this successfully. Some of our friends are running their bikes at the track too which is the true torture test. We saw a couple damaged engines early on but they were experimenting with oil levels. Turns out you can use the same amount of oil as if the engine was flat (about 16oz) and you do not need any internal modifications.

@@agkracing140 Thanks for the info. Sure makes for an all around good build being able to mount the engine like that. Makes everything more compact like a motor cycle and also gets all that weight closer to the ground.

Owen Wilson is a first lol. Good luck with your builds!!

The Firmstrong Chief is one of our favorite frames to use for motorized bikes. We've built a couple of them.

I just took a look at those. Seems like that's what the race promoter for the motorized bicycles was trying to accomplish with his 212 spec class. Like you said, the mods are similar and our race promoter was aiming for about 10hp with the mods he allows.

@@agkracing140 u could paint it like a 212 and mod it and no one would need to know

@@agkracing140 u could also look into tilitson 225 race engine. 17hp. And no one would have to know

Just add more oil. The 212cc motors have 2 oil suplies and drain ports.

Not sure how much we have invested. The used bike and most of the parts we used were fairly affordable. We did spend a lot of money having those wheels built. We did all of the labor on the build ourselves so there is a lot of money saved in that area, we just had to invest our time. This was a fun build and well worth it!

Our first suggestion is don't adapt one of those torque converters to a 79cc Predator. It takes power to run those torque converters and the 79cc engine has so little power to begin with. Also, the torque converter is nearly as big and heavy as the 79cc engine. However if you want to move forward, sounds like you need a jackshaft to work in conjunction with the torque converter. Email us at tech@affordablegokarts.com and we can share pictures with you of a bike we built using a torque converter and a 196cc engine. We used a jackshaft to make it all work.

@@agkracing140 Thanks for the advice. I didn't know the torque convertor would take all the power a 79 cc has. Even without a gov? I found out after buying it the gear is too close to the seat post frame rail so it won't work anyway. Got to send it all back. Just wishing I could have had a belt drive system. With a torque converter that increased power. Now I have nothing and have to resort to a chain drive crap gear set up i got from gasbike. No matter what I research and learn, it is just not enough to make a 79 cc bike motor go down the road. Even with removing the governor. The 212 is too big to put in the bike frame. I guess no one has one of these without extreme engineering and $1000 in parts. I'm almost ready to just give up. I see now why so many use the two stroke motors. Even though the 4's are much better for a street bike.

We're using 16 oz.

Not really cat people. Always have been dog people. Only brought those cats to the shop to control the rats. I have to say they've grown on us and there is no longer a rat in sight.

The jackshaft bearings are not pressed in. They are a tight fit with the bearing hangers but do not need to be pressed in. The bearings have a snap ring which helps keep them in position. We also thread each end of the jackshaft so we can put a bolt and washer on the ends which helps retain everything in position on the jackshaft in conjunction with spacers and lock collars.

Yes it is a steel frame and we have cold set frames before to fit the wider wheel. Cold setting worked for us but it did have its issues. With this one we figured we would just re-configure the rear triangle since we have the tools to do it.

Our beautiful tank developed a leak with no time to fix it before the race.

Hasn't been an issue. We honestly don't really even pedal these bikes with the big engines. The 212 makes so much torque, you never have to pedal.

@@agkracing140 im just trying to nit pick 1flaw. im super jealous. im trying to replicate the jack shaft you put on this bike on my own

The 420cc engines are close to double the size of the 212cc engine. We would have a hard time getting one of those to fit in a bicycle frame.

When you pedal the bike with the engine off the two drive chains will rotate too. The engine will not start though because the clutch on the engines output shaft will just freewheel. That clutch doesn't engage until the engines output shaft spins a specific rpm. Once the engines output shaft reaches the engagement rpm, the clutch will start to lock up, otherwise it freewheels.

@@agkracing140 Now I see, Thanks a lot for your answer!

Hey guys! Another question from me Where can I find some info on how to prepare the new 212cc engine for installation, Here in this video you are talking about some things like governor?? Naming the carburator?? And other things like that, Sorry, but may be you’ve got the video on that task, cause actually I don’t know where to look for this items in the engine)) pls help

Yes the engine gets lubricated when it's mounted vertical. A clear side cover was used to see how well the splash lubrication system does. The oil gets to the places it needs to go.

40 series chains are big and heavy so we always use #35 chain. We use mountain bike hubs with the 6 bolt pattern for the brake rotor. Instead of mounting the rotor on the hub we mount one of our sprockets which you can find on our website. affordablegokarts.com/collections/motorized-bike-parts

Awesome! Thanks for the link!!! What sprocket do you recommend for a top speed of about 45/50 with the use of a 30 series torque converter?

These engines use a splash oiling system. There is a dipper on the end of the rod that slings oil. Turning the engine upright isn't ideal for this system. However the cam gear gets involved and slings a bunch of oil which seems to make up for the dipper being at an odd angle. We hesitated doing this for a long time. Now that we've done it, we haven't had any issues. No modifications to the oiling system are needed. We use 16 oz. of oil.

@@agkracing140 What is the website for ordering necessary parts again?

Your Dad's thinking is correct but not entirely true. These engines use a dipper, splash oiling system and one would think the system will not work efficiently when tilting the engine up. We thought the same thing until we saw an engine with a clear plexiglass side cover. Once you can see inside the engine you start to realize why they still survive in the upright position. This is our first upright engine build because we were not always onboard with doing this however we have friends who did it years before us and they are still running strong!

We used 24" wheels.

We've considered selling the Smoking Loon and our Mongoose bike that has the big bore 79cc Predator engine (now 105cc's) and 2 speed jackshaft.

I_ Like_To_ Ruin_ Jokes. If you didnt do nothing wrong you did something wrong.

Yes it's a steel frame.

@@agkracing140 Oh I remember you guys now..you guys ran the unlimited 4stroke class about 10yrs ago at the Grange. I ran the 2 stroke but I remember your bike locked up the rear wheel in the front straight. Glad your still in business

@@agkracing140 you can I buy one of those bikes rebuilt just put together a minimum parts

Send me a details of how I would purchase a bike from you the 212 motor and the racing frame with front shocks d8skreaks

How much would it cost and where would it send the money in hell how not now

Yes, the GX160 can be mounted upright just like this 212cc Predator.

@@agkracing140 thanks man, awesome job!

The engine gets lubricated with no issues when mounted upright like this. It's been done many, many times.

Thank you for responding I was going to cut my bike up lol this will help me alot

@@donay3773 did it work out I want we want to see it🙂

@@donay3773 for 212 add 4 more oz of oil and youll be fine mounting upright.lots of the 4 strokes guys does that because it looks cool the mounting flat .

Check out this page on our website for a Seat Tube Motor Mount. affordablegokarts.com/collections/motorized-bike-parts

Nice sight. Thank for the help@@agkracing140

We have friends and customers who have mounted their engines upright way before we ever built this bike. So we were able to use their experience with various oil levels to get ours right.

The bike is currently setup for the 212cc spec class. If we ever decided to upgrade the engine for something else we would build the 212 with performance parts however it will remain 212cc.

@@agkracing140 thank you for the feedback tell me about that but I want to turn Predator 212CC into a 270cc because my friend turning his beach cruiser Huffy Fat Tire Bike steel frame and he is putting a 212 cc predator engine but anyway good job on that bike

24" Hookworm tires on custom built 24" rims

The 212cc Predator engines come from Harbor Freight. We stock a bunch of performance parts for them and build them at www.affordablegokarts.com

The vacuum from when the piston goes down will draw the air/fuel through the manifold.

@@agkracing140 wow

We do not sell complete bikes ready to go. We do sell a bunch of parts that will help people who want to build their own.

The top speed depends on the gearing we choose. This bike will go over 60 mph if we geared it that way.

Shut up, karen

Too many people in the world anyway.

Engines like a GX240/270/390 are way too big for a bike. Even these 212's are too big in our opinion. The perfect engine (in our opinion) for a motorized bike is a 79cc Predator. They are compact and powerful for their size.