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"Smoky Red" returns with a VENGEANCE. Diesel Engine Gear Train Failure

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Adept Ape

Adept Ape

Жыл бұрын

In this video we are working on Smoky Red, a Peterbilt we looked at several months ago for smoking and an engine miss. It was rebuilt by another shop and then came in on a tow truck after only running a couple days. AdeptApe@yahoo.com on PayPal for donations.
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@AdeptApe
@AdeptApe Жыл бұрын
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@davewilliams8941
@davewilliams8941 Жыл бұрын
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@seagullsbtn
@seagullsbtn Жыл бұрын
That owner needs to fire their mechanic and hire someone who actually knows what they are doing. Like you. You’ll save them money.
@RoosterG33rs
@RoosterG33rs Жыл бұрын
Gets a rebuild. Goes 3hrs. Needs a long block. Rip that guy.
@cullenmiller8170
@cullenmiller8170 Жыл бұрын
If the customer didn’t want the air compressor replaced during an inframe it won’t get touched. Obviously, the bearing failure in the air compressor started the snow ball before the fecal matter hit the fan. That’s just bad luck and will be a mess to sort out with lots of finger pointing. There will be no ending where any party will be happy.
@speedyme200
@speedyme200 Жыл бұрын
If I was the customer I will tell him to fix what he can fix put it back together and I'll send it.. go till she blow
@xrsrule
@xrsrule Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@lanceroark6386
@lanceroark6386 Жыл бұрын
RIP his wallet.
@thomasweida2881
@thomasweida2881 Жыл бұрын
If it was mine looking at the rest of the truck I would take some crocus cloth clean up the crank put new bearings in it it replace the bad gears with some used ones and run it of course new compressor
@billmoran3812
@billmoran3812 Жыл бұрын
That’s one of those situations where as a customer I’d have a hard time accepting that a complete long block is needed only hours after I just had that engine rebuilt. The way you explained the failure and showed the damage is convincing, without that I wouldn’t be a happy customer. The fact that another shop did the rebuild, makes this further controversial. If something was done incorrectly when reassembling the engine, that ship could be liable for the damage. Probably difficult to prove however.
@aleread3864
@aleread3864 Жыл бұрын
air compressors just kind of go. in my experience they typically just throw a rod out the side of their case. a lot of customers have them replaced during an inframe. at least thats what i always recommend
@Evergreen64
@Evergreen64 Жыл бұрын
It's the old saying "pay me now or pay me much more later".
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 Жыл бұрын
Except if it was air compressor failure that caused this, then it isn’t necessarily a matter of which shop did the rebuild. Josh could have rebuilt this engine himself, but if the cheapskate customer didn’t wanna pay for a new compressor (and oil pump, turbo, anything else oil related), that’s on HIM, not the shop that did the rebuild. Now, could be the shop screwed the install up, but there’s also a chance the compressor gave up the ghost. They usually don’t last longer than an engine.
@bencox8030
@bencox8030 Жыл бұрын
I love getting off work And zoning out to these videos. They allow me some peace and the ability to forget About my problems and worries.
@Autocar87
@Autocar87 Жыл бұрын
That sucks. At that point, I’d just put an air compressor on it and run it. Yes those bearings are scratched, but it’s nothing terrible. Pulling that motor now seems to be a bit excessive. Run it until it blows. If it’s basically junk, might as well get whatever he can out of it. May run for years, who knows.
@popsnorthcutt1741
@popsnorthcutt1741 Жыл бұрын
Party til she pukes !
@cryptoanalysts5793
@cryptoanalysts5793 Жыл бұрын
I bet 20k if he did that , the owner will talk crap the min that engine blows up He only do it the right way , and I am 100% think he is right
@codeblue2112
@codeblue2112 Жыл бұрын
i agree, also beautiful autocar. looks like a sweet rig
@TurboVisBits
@TurboVisBits Жыл бұрын
I'd at least polish crank with emery cloth and use new bearings
@Brad.whatthe
@Brad.whatthe Жыл бұрын
Man a rebuild than a new engine, gunna be a bit tight on the Christmas presents this year
@boogieman3165
@boogieman3165 Жыл бұрын
Trying to save money on a overhaul doesn't usually work out too well. I had to learn the hard way also.
@jasonstalder5208
@jasonstalder5208 Жыл бұрын
not trying to be rude, but i learnt at a young age a poor man pays twice.
@michaeldunagan8268
@michaeldunagan8268 Жыл бұрын
For the last few years I've looked online and the rebuilt price of a Cummins n14 is about 2/3 the price of what the Cummins shop about 5 miles away from where I reside prices to rebuild that engine: at least that's where it starts from twenty Grand and that was three years at quote..
@champ6918
@champ6918 Жыл бұрын
When a customer goes with the cheapest shop. You get what you pay for.
@ronniebenoit4081
@ronniebenoit4081 Жыл бұрын
Would that explain the air compressor exploding? Don't speculate unless you read the whole story of what was checked and what was changed and what was signed off on to worry about later
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 Жыл бұрын
Could have just as easily happened at CAT. It was an air compressor failure. Usually it’s wise to replace that, the turbo, and anything else oil related during a rebuild (I also always got new fuel pumps put on, personally), but this customer probably didn’t wanna pony up. Can’t say the other shop is the issue, without knowing all of the details
@KA-om9oz
@KA-om9oz 8 ай бұрын
Ok skeeter😂
@nickd.4512
@nickd.4512 Жыл бұрын
Had the same thing happen with a c13. Platinum rebuild at cat dealer, about 8k later and the air compressor fail, left the chat if you will. Took out everything. Dealer inspected and agreed. Another rebuild, under warranty because of catastrophic parts failure on a part they replaced during rebuild.
@mediahound587
@mediahound587 Жыл бұрын
Love your commentary! "...generally if you're gonna be towing stuff better to have oil filter on." 😂 classic!
@darwindwelle5267
@darwindwelle5267 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great videos Josh.
@Jack_Torrance.
@Jack_Torrance. 7 ай бұрын
I keep a metal trashcan lid lined with soft rubber cushiony material. I have it in case there is a runaway diesel engine situation, whenever I am working on diesel engines. I have only had to use it twice. I place the rubber lined trashcan lid over the air intake for the turbo.
@Srdieselshawn
@Srdieselshawn Жыл бұрын
Terrible. Seen that kind of stuff happen around our area. Shop did a rebuild, a year later, the truck is down again with engine issues, goes to Cummins, Cat, Mack or others after to get pretty much a complete engine work over with the crank removed and getting machined etc. Then the engine works properly after.
@SuperSecretSquirell
@SuperSecretSquirell Жыл бұрын
The only time I've had an issue with a quick drain was at my last job. Our grain truck was driving through a field and a corn stalk caught the lever and opened it. Luckily the driver shut it down as soon as the low oil pressure light went off.
@jaxcell
@jaxcell Жыл бұрын
Isn't it odd how we say, Went Off when it actually Went On? Actual Radio Conversation with one of my Workers: Boss the Air Pressure alarm went off! Oh, Why was it on? Found a hose popped off, but I put it back and it went off. The Hose went off? No Boss, the alarm went off. OK, I can hear it the background. So its off? Yep, when the hose popped off again it went off again but it's off now ......Hold tight there Jimmy I'm on my way.
@iaial0
@iaial0 Жыл бұрын
​@@jaxcellfor me (non native speaker) this is English in a nutshell, and it's hilarious
@zytekfan
@zytekfan Жыл бұрын
I know of one truck with an E model that the air compressor gear broke and then the pieces went through the front geartrain and exploded the front cover, broke the nose of the crank, and made a mess at a pull off. Was making a hard pull on a hill and then BOOM!
@bretyoung1869
@bretyoung1869 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting, always great information Josh !! Happy New Year 🥳
@scottcurry479
@scottcurry479 Жыл бұрын
My KCB had an air compressor failure like that. The damage to my geartrain was much more sever than that. I can't believe it didn't jump time. The shrapnel inside the gear case was surprising.
@johnnylightning1491
@johnnylightning1491 Жыл бұрын
Since they cheaped out the last time I think they're going to cheap out again and just have you polish the crank and put new rod bearing in it, but we'll see. Keep the good stuff coming.
@danielbartko2378
@danielbartko2378 Жыл бұрын
The fact that you want to recommend an entire long block is ridiculous. Pull the front cover, drop the transmission and swap out the crank and bearings, some gears and hang a compressor. This is why independent techs like me are still in business
@johngoldsmith6629
@johngoldsmith6629 Жыл бұрын
Do a cost vs repair spread sheet. If the failure was workmanship, who is to say what else they did wrong. Falls back on who has to pay the bill. First item is to do a failure analyst and find why it failed. Early hour failures right out of a shop usually points back to where it came from.
@speed150mph
@speed150mph Жыл бұрын
Let’s hope you do a better job than the “independent” shop that completely screwed up that in-frame. 😅 But in the modern day, the biggest cost in a repair like this is labour and downtime. And that’s not a small block Chevy. You can’t pull a crank out of C-15 in a pete without pulling the engine unless your doing some really sketchy shit. Front motor mounts in the way, plus the front axle. You gotta pull the front structure which is a massive job (but admittedly you’d have to do most of it for the gear repair anyway). How many extra hours of labour are you going to sink in trying to repair that engine as compared to getting a long block? How many more hours is that truck going to sit in your shop not making the owner money while your messing around with it. What else are you going to find while digging into it, especially with the questionable rebuild that just happened?
@jetro7349
@jetro7349 Жыл бұрын
Clean it out, slap bearings, and send it... No reason to longblock that one.
@tater_relocater
@tater_relocater Жыл бұрын
Private shop no warranty gets expensive. I get new accessories with a overhaul. So everything is covered.
@kenuber4014
@kenuber4014 Жыл бұрын
Better call it "Shotgun Red"...Keeps blowing holes in your wallet! Needs one of those sweet Paccar engines!! Lol
@rearspeaker6364
@rearspeaker6364 Жыл бұрын
lawn mower engines last longer then a paccar engine.
@martyjr540
@martyjr540 Жыл бұрын
Paccar engines are money pits..
@arcticfox5118
@arcticfox5118 Жыл бұрын
Having owned a paccar....just no. Paccar engines are NEARLY as bad as maxxforce engines
@markwilliams4525
@markwilliams4525 Жыл бұрын
That cat will definitely outlast all the other engine manufacturers, not being one sided just being honest
@cg8469
@cg8469 Жыл бұрын
"an artist chooses his canvas" lmao, I needed that, thank you
@lustfulvengance
@lustfulvengance Жыл бұрын
Yeah personally if it was mine I would do a farmer rebuild on the bottom end (clean the crank journals with some emery cloth as best you can and throw a set of new bearings in it and call it a day) Then obviously I would replace whatever gears were messed up put a compressor on it and let her run, I know you're a shop so you have to stand behind what you do but if it was my truck I would do that and it would probably run like that for hundreds of thousands of miles!
@youtubeisawesome2487
@youtubeisawesome2487 Жыл бұрын
you better check the suction tube for cracks at the welds, and for a crack at the oring flange
@johnfairchild3421
@johnfairchild3421 Жыл бұрын
I had a cracked o ring. That drove me krazy for three months I was down in my back. Had a good friend of mine. Check it out three times and then wham o. He found it the cracked o ring I was so dam. Happy as I am a. Fantastic on mechanical stuff especially mine
@tomm8067
@tomm8067 Жыл бұрын
Nearly everyone has to learn at some point, your so far into something and dollars spent if it goes really wrong price to repair sky rockets because ya went cheap somewhere.... somethings it works out, sometimes it doesn't and sometimes the completely unexpected happens I had one this week guy been using laptop to reset dpf on a cat 9.3 but NOT actually change it they had a malfunction with transformer for spark reset code a bunch of times and basically fillled a seriously plugged dpf with fuel and it lit cause issue was ground wire to ecm from transformer well troubleshooting it made contact and created a bomb took me a bit to figure out what happened it blew end cap off. needless to say that was the unexpected that should have been (ya guessed it) EXPECTED Happened! Great find and explanation as always!
@michaeldunagan8268
@michaeldunagan8268 Жыл бұрын
The Car Care Nut on his channel says he doesn't generally do non OEM engine replacements because he says he's had bad luck with them and the daid engines are held together with paper clips and rubber bands.
@schadenfreude2555
@schadenfreude2555 Жыл бұрын
I have seen two almost identical failures of air compressors on CAT C13s, both at about 530,000 miles. In each case, the rear bearing of the air compressor failed, and the resulting misalignment of the compressor drive gear to the front drive train destroyed that drive train, put debris into the oil pan, oil pump, etc.. On one truck, the repair came to about $10,000, on the other about $15,000. I was told that CAT warranties the compressors on new engines for only 500,000 miles, for what appears to be good reasons. The lesson in this is: change air compressors at or before 500,000 miles - do not wait for the air compressor to fail before putting in a new or rebuilt compressor.
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 Жыл бұрын
In my years of owning a fleet, this is EXACTLY why I replaced EVERYTHING oil and fuel related during a rebuild. Few grand extra to save tens of grands…..
@BigJfan
@BigJfan Жыл бұрын
The paint and over spray covering the old oil leaks was a nice touch. That's why you don't hire the lowest bidder to do anything important.
@edmonhaddad3335
@edmonhaddad3335 Жыл бұрын
Great video, should have had you just fix it to start with.
@fatangmo5680
@fatangmo5680 Жыл бұрын
Funny outcome. excellent vid
@nascar427
@nascar427 Жыл бұрын
I remember/don't remember if you originally solved the smoky issue before?
@fredproctor6973
@fredproctor6973 Жыл бұрын
Ole smokie red is in trouble.
@peteengard9966
@peteengard9966 Жыл бұрын
Hack mechanic does hack work. There's some bolts missing from the filter housing.
@cars3800
@cars3800 Жыл бұрын
Its a difficult situation, always a ballancing act how far you go when working on a customer's truck spending there money.
@jamesriordan3494
@jamesriordan3494 Жыл бұрын
“Penny wise and pound foolish” strikes again; as I keep telling my boys, “Do it once, do it right”. Hard to get that message through some days.
@AlwaysBored123
@AlwaysBored123 Жыл бұрын
I know you work for a Cat dealer so you can't let anything out the door that isn't perfect but imo those bearings were entirely runable. In fact if that were my engine I would have cleaned out the oil pan, slapped a rebuilt compressor on there and kept trucking. Maybe a new oil pump if I really wanted to splurge.
@davewilliams8941
@davewilliams8941 Жыл бұрын
That engine had done very few hours, 3hr if I'm correct.. so for the bearings to be scored already the only place they are fit for is the bin 👍
@samthesr20man
@samthesr20man Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I've seen way worse in volvos and they lasted millions of miles after. The crank harding wasn't scratched through or compromised etheir
@johngoldsmith6629
@johngoldsmith6629 Жыл бұрын
Since you just had a failure that contaminated the lubrication system. Cat offers a one year parts warranty. That being said if a rod or main bearing does fail. Would be a good chance of Cat turning down the claim. So would you gamble? Also would you run the damaged gears as well?
@wagon9082
@wagon9082 Жыл бұрын
Good video
@FerralVideo
@FerralVideo Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, two destructions of the week in one video! That air compressor definitely qualifies as one. I definitely wouldn't want to be that customer though.
@tylerlag4833
@tylerlag4833 Жыл бұрын
Hey just wanted to say I love your videos man you’ve taught me a lot I have one quick question I’m starting a apprenticeship program at CAT for EPG is there any tips or pointers you could give me or what to expect. Thank you
@Wandering_Horse
@Wandering_Horse Жыл бұрын
Expensive failure, I would imagine that compressor had to be screaming before it popped. Especially if it was just being serviced, you would think a good tech would have caught that. That's what they get for taking it to 'down the road motors', I always say 'pay me now or pay me double later'. They run off to another shop in search of cheap labor and it boomerangs right back into your shop. Now you get to charge them to do the job right after they just paid to have the job done wrong. Ouch!
@tater_relocater
@tater_relocater Жыл бұрын
What would the tech do to make a decision to change it ? Compressors don’t really scream good or bad they just throw rods.
@zimmyflip
@zimmyflip Жыл бұрын
@@tater_relocater Some people don't understand that, hell we had a new Bendix chunk a rod within a week of installation.
@garyr7027
@garyr7027 Жыл бұрын
Replace the rod and main bearings, clean up the pan, replace the compressor, replace any bad gears, and run it see what happens.
@johngoldsmith6629
@johngoldsmith6629 Жыл бұрын
Several years ago, young tech installs air compressor and new hoses on a Cat 12 liter. Bearings fail in air compressor within a few days. Young tech replaces air compressor only again. Comes back again, this time air compressor locked up and wiped out gear train. Found root cause of failure, parts department built the air compressor oil line and had a flap of rubber restricting oil flow. Parts said you should have caught it the first time and service department got stuck with a 12K repair bill. Just looked at a rod brg failure that had ten miles on rebuild. Looks like rebuild was done dirty. As you have the failure, appears to have a lack of lube to the air compressor. The two rod bearings don't look like a lack of lube. So if it was a foreign substance, oil filter did not catch it. Could have something after the oil filter. Hate to point fingers, but a early hour failure after a repair, generally leads back to workmanship.
@konekillerking
@konekillerking Жыл бұрын
Should Smoky inquire with the rebuilder? Handed parts, that then failed. Or could this be completely random?
@j.d.saccociates3313
@j.d.saccociates3313 Жыл бұрын
It would seem that Smokey's compressor let the smoke out and that ate the gear train. They removed the compressor so there's no real way for us to know if the other shop installed it wrong
@dereksmith1803
@dereksmith1803 Жыл бұрын
Well that sucks. Some people just can't catch a break.
@aussiebloke609
@aussiebloke609 Жыл бұрын
Josh, that truck is there for a miss. Missing gear teeth, missing pieces of casing... 😁
@davewilliams8941
@davewilliams8941 Жыл бұрын
I have missing teeth and I function just fine 🤷‍♂️🤣
@firsttimediesels6289
@firsttimediesels6289 Жыл бұрын
Hey, I recently had a series 60 detroit that ate a bull gear. I have pictures for your destruction of the week. Where do I send them
@stanpatterson5033
@stanpatterson5033 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure his e-mail address can be found in the description up top.
@aceallenk
@aceallenk Жыл бұрын
Like the old saying goes, "just when you get it cheap enough, you end up with nothing," In my younger days a farmer once told me while referring to his beautiful herd of Hereford cattle and the cost involved in feeding them. He said he can cut the cost to almost nothing and feed them just straw and he laughingly says. Just when you get the cost of feeding down to almost nothing, "they die." Best follow the other old saying, "you usually only get what you pay for!"
@alanair7019
@alanair7019 11 ай бұрын
im begining to think these peterbuilts have an evil streak
@badmonkey3669
@badmonkey3669 Жыл бұрын
ah yeah that is very sad to see in 2010 my C15 was $18,000 to in frame and that was at a discount
@tobybrown1179
@tobybrown1179 Жыл бұрын
Had my air compressor do a little end, caught it before throwing a rod, fairly common. $3500 deposit for old compressor herein Australia
@bobocaterpillar3697
@bobocaterpillar3697 Жыл бұрын
hand polish the crank the best you can, roll in a set of new bearings and LET IF FLY.
@keeperofthegood
@keeperofthegood Жыл бұрын
Lottery is always won by someone. Sometimes you can go for a long time thinking "that part is fine" until the moment when it isn't. That failure in the air compressor gearing bearing fail, would that fall into the "Surprise!" or would it have been evident that it needed replacement?
@georgegeorgepht
@georgegeorgepht Жыл бұрын
I had a dealer do an out of frame rebuild. From the crank out. On my 14liter detriot. 8 miles later the new head cracked. Same dealer Warrantied. 900 miles later the new head cracked again. Warrantied by a new dealer. 3 months later the engine smoked like a banshee. New injectors. New egr cooler. Warranty paid again. 3 months of down time they finally pulled the bearings and the second dealer looked worse then these bearings. Top end and bottom end crank bearings were chewed thru. The second dealer warrantied new bearings , replaced a sleeve and rod and piston pack and flushed the engine. No problems since. Point is even the dealers are idiots sometimes. That’s what this guy was probably thinking. Little did he know he made the wrong choice the first time.
@coltonkruse2313
@coltonkruse2313 Жыл бұрын
Damn man if that is how it is painted....imagine how the rebuild was. That thing looks like hell.
@andresr7341
@andresr7341 Жыл бұрын
I got a 2013 pete with over 1m180k miles original air compressor, by looking at what just happened to that truck, should I replace my compressor just to be safe or what are some signs I should know ? It's working fine so far the engine is not burning oil and coolant is still good I did a oil sample test 2 months ago by Blackstone labs and they didn't recommend rebuild, what can you recommend? Thx for all your videos I really learn alot by watching them.
@ronniebenoit4081
@ronniebenoit4081 Жыл бұрын
That hurts 😢
@sstocker31
@sstocker31 Жыл бұрын
Wow that's got to sting....
@ivoryjohnson4662
@ivoryjohnson4662 Жыл бұрын
Tried the shortcut now gonna pay the real cost smoky gonna need a new name…..pocket cleaner
@Truthseeker4449
@Truthseeker4449 Жыл бұрын
Well that sucks. I would be so upset and furious. Spent all that money to rebuild the engine, and on the first day its trashed by the air compressor going bad.
@catman57022
@catman57022 Жыл бұрын
Over 40 years in a diesel engine machine shop I've seen this many, many times. The air compressor is pulled off, plugged off and set aside until it's time to assemble. It being older, then ends up failing. Flushing shavings in the oil system to spread like a cancer. A few more dollars spent on an air compressor, could've probably avoided this.
@thetowndrunk988
@thetowndrunk988 Жыл бұрын
@@catman57022 exactly. Everyone is blaming the shop, but we don’t know the whole story. Chances are this was one of those companies that wanted it done as cheaply as possible, and didn’t want to replace obvious wear items. Anytime I’ve ever had an engine rebuilt, I insisted on a new compressor, new turbo, new oil pump, new oil lines and coolant hoses, and I always had a new fuel pump put on. You’re already paying a bucketload of money. What’s a few more grand for the peace of mind?
@ianlister9645
@ianlister9645 Жыл бұрын
Does the let metal through or is bypass when cold start up.hi Josh love the videos.i live in Australia thanks
@Fatamus
@Fatamus Жыл бұрын
🎼🎵On top of old 'Smokey'🎵 🎵 He spent a lot of cheese🎵 🎵Adapt or the guy with no clue🎵 🎵And NO, this is not a haiku🎵
@yanivhakim8936
@yanivhakim8936 Жыл бұрын
How come that the engine oil-filter didn't catch this metal particles?
@SzelachowskiTomek
@SzelachowskiTomek Жыл бұрын
im having an issue with my mx13 sounds like a tea kettle around 39 psi of boost can I bring it by and have you diagnose ?
@wyattsyverson8603
@wyattsyverson8603 Жыл бұрын
What’s the likelihood of the other shops work having contributed to this failure?
@AdeptApe
@AdeptApe Жыл бұрын
Not sure, the compressor wasn't replaced, so it would be hard to blame them for that.
@badgerpa9
@badgerpa9 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes choices are hard.
@smokedog123456789
@smokedog123456789 Жыл бұрын
Should’ve went with yall to begin with, now hes paying double 😂
@timf6916
@timf6916 Жыл бұрын
WOW, Double ouch.
@big_ute
@big_ute Жыл бұрын
I run the welding side of my shop and I have had to undo and make better some work other shops around town have done and in turn gets us more business, not a bad thing i dont think. Ive personally talked with the customers and I will tell them how it is and not sugar coat anything, the fixes and mods I make to the attachments and machinery have my name on them and I will not do a subpar repair or modification cuz thats my reputation on the line. When I build something I shoot for overkill at a minimum, on my personal stuff i overbuild it because I beat the crap out of them and expect them to perform. So I tell the customers I will over-build it for their and my peace of mind.
@davidmcknlght2700
@davidmcknlght2700 Жыл бұрын
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@refusemech
@refusemech Жыл бұрын
Well I would guess the owner spent close to 20,000 on the in-frame that failed. So after looking at the video noticing hoses crimped and pinched Im sure the oil line feeding the compressor was plugged or something starving it of oil and causing the rods to fail in the compressor. So now the owner of the truck will be spending around 30,000 for a long block plus compressor and additional parts. I would hope he goes after the previous shop for cost of their screw up but we know how that can go. If the engine didn’t overheat he might have you roll a set of bearings in it and a new compressor and hope for the best. Either way it’s cheaper than buying another truck to replace this one.
@johngette9578
@johngette9578 Жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on running R99 diesel in an 06 cat C7?
@Bonderoev
@Bonderoev Жыл бұрын
I don't really understand, how a failure like this destroys the bearings so quickly. The chunks from the gear train and compressor of course fall into the oil pan. Then they are picked up by the oil pump, so I can understand damage to it. But then the filter is supposed to filter out anything large enough to damage the bearings. The pump failing doesn't seem like enough "stuff" to completely clog the filter and make it bypass due to overpressure.
@markmasse2739
@markmasse2739 Жыл бұрын
How long would it run like that? I realize that truck is run every day but our grain trucks only get about 5000 kilometers a year and some less than 500.
@johnwood7650
@johnwood7650 Жыл бұрын
If it was me id slap in bearings and run it. What do you have to lose at this point? 😊
@mikewolfe386
@mikewolfe386 Жыл бұрын
ouch
@josephpuchel6497
@josephpuchel6497 Жыл бұрын
It seems they might have dropped something inside causing failure.
@timcanizares5240
@timcanizares5240 Жыл бұрын
I agree... I have personally never seen an air compressor create that kind of carnage.... had an air compressor on my C16 go it cracked the case on the compressor but nothing like that
@j.d.saccociates3313
@j.d.saccociates3313 Жыл бұрын
Looks more like the compressor seized
@nicksolomon2340
@nicksolomon2340 Жыл бұрын
Change the gears and do a bearing roll, good to go
@TheTurpin1234
@TheTurpin1234 Жыл бұрын
I know on old Detroits the air compressor had a nylon gear or something that would break off in a case like this. Why doesn't cat use this?
@paullogan9960
@paullogan9960 Жыл бұрын
Personally, PLEASE put it back the way it should be. Some people need things like this to show them that threr is a correct way and a dirt cheap way. It hurts when things have to be done right, BUT it really hurts when a mistake has to be fixed. 5:10, What is the red stuff in by the drain hole?
@stephenjackman6163
@stephenjackman6163 Жыл бұрын
Why do we use oil filters if metal gets into the oil system anyway
@mtgwdefender
@mtgwdefender Жыл бұрын
What would you answer if the customer asks you for the compressor failure cause?? 🤔
@ciaranbrennan16
@ciaranbrennan16 Жыл бұрын
Wow
@jerryplante4239
@jerryplante4239 Жыл бұрын
A classic case of pay me now or pay me later.
@scramble7673
@scramble7673 Жыл бұрын
Damn feel sorry for the owner.
@9caplad
@9caplad 10 ай бұрын
I don't see a third video. What was the outcome?
@nickayivor8432
@nickayivor8432 Жыл бұрын
👍 CANNY Adept Ape From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 02:32 Good night 😴 🥱 🌃 🌙
@awallace2103
@awallace2103 Жыл бұрын
Looks like a motor swap job ,guess pending on the "owner" choice lol but we now know what his choices were before
@swinde79
@swinde79 Жыл бұрын
Just a question, why do the engine and compressor share oil? Wouldn't it be simpler for the compressor to have it's own sump.
@stanpatterson5033
@stanpatterson5033 Жыл бұрын
Just my opinion based on past experience, but from many years ago when an air compressor was a separate unit from the engine, and usually belt-powered, having its own oil separate from the engine was a great way for the compressor to be ignored, either due to ignorance, or apathy. As time went by, truck builders realized that it would be easier to spec the compressor to be included as OEM by the engine builder. When they first started putting diesel engines in trucks, brakes were still juice brakes. As time went by, trucks and GVWR's got bigger and heavier, then truck-trailer combinations meant that juice brakes were not the way to go, air brakes were. So there was an evolution in braking (not all of which I have touched upon here) and how trucks were designed and built. Outboard compressors are easier to swap out in the case of a failure, but also easier to overlook or simply ignore at maintenance time. Onboard or built-in compressors that are part of the engine and share the oil supply, then get the added benefit of guaranteed oil changes, as most folks really don't want to neglect their big diesel engine, given the replacement costs of a complete unit. The only thing I would like to add outside of the above, is that going forward, I would spec higher-output compressors (i.e. more CFM's or cubic feet per minute) mostly on a personal preference basis, if there were options or choices at time of spec'ing out the build.
@davewilliams8941
@davewilliams8941 Жыл бұрын
It would also need its own cooler due to high operating temperature I'd guess
@markwilliams4525
@markwilliams4525 Жыл бұрын
No, then you have to do a separate oil change not to mention that wouldn't have prevented what happened because it was the gear that came apart and tore up the other gears which is where the metal came from
@jaxcell
@jaxcell Жыл бұрын
Good question, I was wondering the same thing. Seems like it could be separate unit same as an AC compressor.
@johnwood7650
@johnwood7650 Жыл бұрын
Air compressors should absolutely be belt driven. Totally seperate from the engine.
@davidtatum8682
@davidtatum8682 Жыл бұрын
Feel terrible for that customer. Id be willing to bet that shop that did the rebuild was somehow responsible for that. Good luck getting them to admit it, though.
@garyharrington5300
@garyharrington5300 Жыл бұрын
Sad it was just "rebuilt"
@richardfitzwell6579
@richardfitzwell6579 Жыл бұрын
Smokey Red has smoked for the last time. Pour one out boys.
@Sam-kc9ri
@Sam-kc9ri Жыл бұрын
Cat exchange on the compressor???? 😂😂😂
@5FaLlEn5
@5FaLlEn5 Жыл бұрын
Would have been better off just having the shop do it after your diag now going to end up tripling his cost 😬
@matthewsanchez3440
@matthewsanchez3440 Жыл бұрын
Hey Adept, what is the typical cost of a Long Block VS New Material?
@RM.....
@RM..... Жыл бұрын
Get what you pay for. 😎
@adamdorris4081
@adamdorris4081 Жыл бұрын
I mean how drunk do you have to be to only put one bolt in the oil pump? I mean I've been drunk before but I've never forgotten something that important before.
@FELiPES101
@FELiPES101 Жыл бұрын
So uh...how much does a long block cost?
@stanpatterson5033
@stanpatterson5033 Жыл бұрын
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
@johngoldsmith6629
@johngoldsmith6629 Жыл бұрын
Depends on REMAN long block or REMAN upgrade to new long block. Always do a cost vs repair spread sheet.
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