Sneaky, Sneaky... But didn't get past me!

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Sneaky, Sneaky... But didn't get past me!

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@BlackBeltBarrister 6 ай бұрын

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@thefirstonyoutube 6 ай бұрын

I have an old friend named Steve who had an IQ of over 180+ (needless to say Steve was a clever bloke) and he once said to me "Sam... When the day comes that people outside the circle share the knowledge of law amongst the general public, we will all be one step closer to a system that actually works for the benefit of our futures and not the destruction of them"💯

@mikeuk666 6 ай бұрын

Can you yourself report the BBC ?

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

2:25 "which is obviously not right". I'd take issue with "obviously". Until recently there was a clear distinction between TV channels (accessible on TV via an Electronic Programme Guide, even if also streamed) and streaming services. Once streaming services like Amazon Prime started offering quasi-TV channels, and TV services like Channel 4 started using the channel name for all their output (rather than giving their streaming services separate identities) the distinction became blurred.

@thefirstonyoutube 6 ай бұрын

@@mikeuk666 Well yeah... You can as a person report "anyone" but in this case vs the BBC would be like walking into the local Casino and saying "Stop Stealing!" haha i.e. it'll take more than a few words x

@Jonnydog1 6 ай бұрын

It really is time these out of control public bodies were taken to task. The Post Office scandal is about more than just the Post Office and what those poor people continue to go through has really sickened me.

@Cybertruck1000 6 ай бұрын

From what I've seen reported, Magistrates just rubber stamp fines in batches. It seems that the system just sides with TV licencing without worrying about the shoddy practice of that organisation operating using wrong information.

@CraftingNannie 6 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the postoffice scandal ..

@lylobean 6 ай бұрын

Part of why i renewed, could not face any annoyance and stress to my family from the harassment they would give out. Think it would be easier living by yourself to make that choice. Nowadays it is more like paying the gang for protection from the enforcers.

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

@@lylobean That would be £1590 over ten years. Or about £5000 over thirty years. Just sayin....

@steveaustin4118 6 ай бұрын

that's not entrly true alot of people don't turn up but you can have your day in court if you wish you have the right to defend yourself

@lylobean 6 ай бұрын

@@steveaustin4118 would be hard to prove innocence or prove a false statement about your viewing habits by a salesman was false. Shame it is that way, but feel it would be with our current system.

@Sol3UK 6 ай бұрын

This could easily become the next Post Office scandal

@st200ol 6 ай бұрын

I doubt that. Wouldn’t that mean that everyone who has ever paid the licence fee would be entitled to claim back all monies paid, like the PPI scandal? Who would pay that? Tax payers I suppose.

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

@@st200olthey said post office not ppi

@owenorders5202 3 ай бұрын

@@DJMattEmpathy He knows that. He was just pointing out the similarities with what happened with the scandal of the mis-sold PPI policies.

@DJMattEmpathy 3 ай бұрын

@@owenorders5202 I get it now

@desrender4893 6 ай бұрын

40 yrs ago here in NZ, so many people refused to pay their TV licence and then refused to pay the fine, it clogged the court system. In the end, the licence system was scrubbed

@user-kg1od9es5d 6 ай бұрын

yep the power is in the peoples hands. but you need a large enough movement to create momentum that carries everyone to do this. british spirit is long gone much of which lives in delusional of the past.

@Dr4co2023 6 ай бұрын

So, TV licensing is making up their own laws. How is that legal?

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

"TV Licensing" doesn't actually exist as a legal person. It is merely a trademarked image/text. Capita runs the administrative system under contract from the BBC, and the BBC is not a regulator or Government Department - it makes no laws, and enforces no laws.

@Dr4co2023 6 ай бұрын

@@shiningshtarr3903 So I can stop paying my TV license and tell them to ef off when they knock on my door?

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

@@Dr4co2023 Not quite. They can report you to a magistrate if they suspect that you have been receiving a "television programme service" without a "TV Licence" in your possession. They know whether or not you have a "TV Licence", but they have to prove the other half as well - the "receiving" bit.

@kevinbrookes6550 6 ай бұрын

Same rules applied by the Post Office, apparently.

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

@@Dr4co2023 yes you can do just that if you want to.

@barukkazhad8998 6 ай бұрын

Some one should take them to court

@Secret_Squirrel_Scottishgamer 6 ай бұрын

yes it would set a great precident if won!

@Shocker99 6 ай бұрын

If only we knew someone who worked in the legal system that takes offence with these things.

@martyfree2389 6 ай бұрын

Much more than someone.

@davidioanhedges 6 ай бұрын

Capita are so involved in the Government it would be difficult

@monipenny408 6 ай бұрын

Corporations own the govts in the west. It is the best system money can buy and all the sheeps love it, so called "trickle down economy" or scraps.

@AmazingYachtDestinations 6 ай бұрын

As a foreigner living in Thailand, I pay for a subscription that is far less, and I get LIVE, BBC News, BBC Lifestyle, BBC Earth, and other premium live TV like HBO. No TV license required. I feel that England is ripping its own country off.

@Dinny. 6 ай бұрын

I totally agree 😏 the streaming sites offered abroad include so many extra channels as well as free months 'free' - the UK screws their own!! 🖕🏼🤬

@Weeem 6 ай бұрын

Yea. If you look at what the licence pays for, a decent chunk of it is to provide BBC outside of the British isles.

@frankielov 6 ай бұрын

Didn’t get past me neither, Don’t need a license to watch TV. Mine works perfectly well without one. Thank you 🙏🏽

@camdoesbusiness 6 ай бұрын

Don't need a driving license as my car works perfectly without one too :)

@chrisc2252 6 ай бұрын

Im waiting for them to bring a mobile phone license out 😂

@giorgosarifoglu953 6 ай бұрын

Didn't need a wife license but got 1 anyway....😂😂😂😂😂 Next they will be bringing a going to the toilet licence, take a Jimmy Wiz licence etc ....

@sprinkz6187 6 ай бұрын

😂👍

@sophieandwayne 6 ай бұрын

😂

@archiesmum8601 6 ай бұрын

I too recieved one of those letter's The thing i took offence at is THEM giving me the chance to avoid being prosecuted for watching TV without a licence Surely as a UK citizen i'm entitled to the presumption of innocence rather than guilt? If so why are the court's allowing these people to get away with doing this to so many innocent people? I just filed my letter with all the other correspondance from them.... Yep i BINNED it 🤷🏼‍♀️

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

Yup me too. If they worded their letters politely I might bother my arse to tell them I don't need one, but if they're going to get nasty about it I don't see why I should.

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

I must get one at least once a fortnight, always telling me they're coming round any day now. It's been four years I think.

@markmcnicholas9475 6 ай бұрын

The presumption of innocence was abolished by the last labour government. You are technically allowed to answer “no comment” to questioning by police, but when you get to court, that is reported and found to be in reality a confession to whatever crime you are accused of.

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

@@markmcnicholas9475 no that's wrong

@paulguy2545 6 ай бұрын

@@DJMattEmpathyIts like they think because they’re such an important Public Organization and ‘know better’ than us, they can communicate with us ‘Peasants’ however they like and we’re supposed to just Obey and never question them! They’re so blind & ignorant that it’s becoming their undoing!

@LittleWing-35 6 ай бұрын

The TV license is like trying to flog a dead horse now. They’re trying to manipulate the wording to make it sound like you need or have to have one.

@statementallity 6 ай бұрын

Yeah like just putting KZfaq in the letter like wtf?

@user-kg1od9es5d 6 ай бұрын

how that is legally allowed is beyond me.@@statementallity

@vincentl.9469 6 ай бұрын

@@user-kg1od9es5d how? ask the government. I thought that's what they were there for...

@Simon.0000 6 ай бұрын

Here's how to avoid courts. Don't answer the door. Don't give them your name Don't give them your phone or email address .

@vatsmith8759 6 ай бұрын

The best way to avoid courts is to obey the law.

@iLoveAppl3947 6 ай бұрын

@@vatsmith8759 thats how they control people in mass. People like you scared to death

@angiutv5897 6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂@@vatsmith8759

@BostonBobby1961 6 ай бұрын

This would never fly in the USA. They would never attempt such a government overreach. It’s sounds so draconian to me as an American.

@michaelvandelden563 6 ай бұрын

wait for bidens 2nd term lol @@BostonBobby1961

@chrisseward5368 6 ай бұрын

Given that all the information provided in the Licensing letters is advertising. Why doesn't the advertising standard agency regulate the BBC and make them change the information to make it correct?

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

Yes at the end of the day they are trying to sell you a TV licence, if any other organization used any if their sales tactics they would be dragged over hot coals

@timgstar3585 6 ай бұрын

Because it's all a con they don't care

@davidioanhedges 6 ай бұрын

Capita run TV Licencing the BBC has very little to do with it ...

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

This should be enforced by the Local Authority. The BBC is a "public body" within the meaning of CPUTR 2008 (Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008), and it is a criminal offence for such a body to sell a service (provision of a "TV Licence") using marketing material that is either untruthful, misleading, or misleading through omission. You could follow an ASA route for TV marketing, but CPUTR 2008 would be much more powerful.

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

@@davidioanhedges The BBC is responsible for the system. Capita is just a contractor of the BBC.

@martinb3619 6 ай бұрын

Surely, ‘intending’ to cause loss by false representation is a criminal offence under section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 and under section 12 of the act an offence by the officers of the body corporate?

@BeasleyStreet 6 ай бұрын

Turns out after all, scammers can even be legitimate cowboy government organisations...

@grantrennie 6 ай бұрын

I think it's time for the TV licence to be gone. Also the BBC needs to be closed down and gone for good as well.

@liammhodonohue 6 ай бұрын

I'm worried they will replace it with tax on broadband or similar. In its current state, just don't pay. Money saved. BBC defunded little by little. As a government mouthpiece, they will find a way to pay for it. No different to the money tree that is available for foreign wars, bailing banks or awarding contracts to their mates. Never for anything useful. Doctors' pay static since 2014?

@niv8880 6 ай бұрын

@@liammhodonohue It had been mentioned - a broadband tax. I believe as much as 15% of the BBC revenue is from tax.

@monipenny408 6 ай бұрын

Corporations own the govts in the west. It is the best system money can buy and all the sheeps love it, so called "trickle down economy" or scraps.

@markmcnicholas9475 6 ай бұрын

The BBC and its despised licence is immoral. Even in China or the Soviet Union people were not charged for their propaganda. Every day that passes that this authoritarian evil exists illustrates the contempt the state has for its subjects. (I would use the word “citizens” but it’s untrue. I should probably use the word “slaves”)

@AlmostLastJedi 6 ай бұрын

@@niv8880What’s a broadband tax?

@rogerborg 6 ай бұрын

They're currently threatening legal action against my father. He died a year ago.

@EdnaCloud 15 күн бұрын

Sorry for your loss. Just goes to show their 'system' isn't as sophisticated as they're making it out to be.

@dr.s.p. 6 ай бұрын

There’s a Scottish senior citizen, who is a retired lawyer, who’s now suing Capita for repeated threats that he is going to be taken to court, etc., etc., in the BBC’s normal intimidating fashion, while he has an ongoing written record of having initially two licenses, one of which he was reimbursed for. With that reimbursement you’d have thought that was the end of the matter, because they agreed he had two, so he was reimbursed for one. These idiots are still sending quite frightening letters, each one more intimidating and threatening than the last, even though he has a license! You’d have thought these borderline illegal muppets could make 2+2=4, but NO! I’m 75 years old and would/will fight to my grave for my right that I don’t legally need a license. The world laughs at this stupid antiquated ruling and to be truthful, in this twenty first century with the technology we have, this ridiculous license should be put into the trash heap along with that outdated institution and its muppet clown employees that just keep hitting the news with more outrageous proven misconducts and coverups. The whole thing needs to be taken apart and rebuilt with the 21st century in mind and fire all those questionable clowns. We first need a forward thinking and modern government that recognizes this archaic institution and has the b@lls to do something about it once and for all. We don’t have to open the door to these salesmen and to prosecute they have to have had the proof that we need one. If we don’t open the door, because we’re not legally obliged to, then how would they get that exacting proof to take to a Magistrate in the first place? They’re just bullies to people in general but lethal to the elderly with no legal savvy at all. Please keep up the good work in illuminating us old folk on what we legally can and can’t do, because there’s a lot of misinformation on the web and KZfaq regarding this.

@diamondskye2795 5 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you, because my 88 year old dad has been harassed using the same bullying tactics! I want to know what proof the tv licence people actually bring to court, why so many people are found guilty?? I did ask one of their bullies, that turned up on my doorstep, to show me the proof, because I haven’t watched tv for years, and he could not show me anything. He just kept repeating that he knew I was watching live tv, without any evidence. Silly little twat 🙃

@EunoiaAnrkyuk 6 ай бұрын

For me, alarm bells rang at 0:06 where the screen cap stated "Renew your must-have TV pass now"... what the heck is a is a "TV pass".

@TimmmmmyD 6 ай бұрын

Hopefully this introduction of the words "TV Pass" are them making a moves towards a montlhy subscription lol

@EunoiaAnrkyuk 6 ай бұрын

@@TimmmmmyD I suspect you are being a tad too optimistic, still, never say never :)

@MikeEves 6 ай бұрын

Something they made up

@lindsayheyes925 6 ай бұрын

One of their documents even represents that a business must have a TV Licence if it allows its staff to charge their personal smartphones at work.

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

Talking of dodgy documents I once saw a leaflet in the Jobcentre titled "Work Sets You Free", or as our Teutonic cousins might say "Arbeit Macht Frei"

@spank86 6 ай бұрын

In theory if you're watching live tv on your smartphone whilst charging it it would count as needed a licence. Little bit picky though.

@victoriab8186 5 ай бұрын

@@DJMattEmpathy it's really interesting looking at the history of that phrase in the UK - 'charities' that 'got poor people off the streets' (that rounded people up and forced them into the navy) were using the argument that true freedom is in work, (because true freedom is doing good, and good is doing what your superiors told you) and framing it as patriotic

@ClaireWill71uk 6 ай бұрын

The misleading VERBIAGE on the TV licensing website needs to be addressed by the overseeing governance or complaints commission. How can this be done, without retaliation? I'm currently being sent licensing letters despite declaring “NO TV licence required” and have done so for nearly 12 years. Thank you, for the update and video.

@WhiteDieselShed 6 ай бұрын

I may start sending MP's and BBC /Capita bosses letters with pay your bill you thieving ******************** printed in large red print on the front. See how they like it when their postman thinks they owe money and do not pay their bills?

@DerekHubbertipdn 6 ай бұрын

The grammar on that would cause me to delete it as a scam

@frankielov 6 ай бұрын

GrammarOphobia is that a thing?

@stevengreenwell486 6 ай бұрын

I agree the font etc doesn't suggest it is from a gov dept.

@lulusbackintown1478 6 ай бұрын

I had an email purporting to be from TV Licensing which I blocked as I thought it was a scam, incorrect information and not very businesslike. I don't have a Licence as I don't need one and I filled in their online document stating that which they acknowledged. The email I received said there was a problem, my direct debit was unpaid. I'm now wondering if it was genuine and if so am I obliged to answer it. Any idea?

@StevenKeery 6 ай бұрын

@@lulusbackintown1478: If you don't need a TV Licence, then you don't need to give them any of your bank details.

@thegrinderman1090 6 ай бұрын

@@lulusbackintown1478 If you don't need a license, you don't need to pay for a license.

@jediarmour 6 ай бұрын

If all TV licence fees exclusively go to the BBC, why do we need to pay for live TV on other channels like ITV or CH4 or any SKY channel (which you pay for) as those channels have adverts or subscriptions? This is the fundamental issue I cannot understand

@ianbennett1491 2 ай бұрын

I cannot understand how it is possible for the BBC to get away with the point you make.

@mlee9641 6 ай бұрын

How come when you asked for a list of tv channels you couldn’t watch with out a license they did not have one, but in this letter they claim 400 channels well who counted them and made a list to come up with number 400, the plot thickens 😂😂😂

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

They claim "over 400" which is probably a figure arrived at by studying Sky and Virgin adverts, but don't forget that the TV Licence covers any "live TV channel" from anywhere in the world, so where do you stop counting?

@hangglider1979 6 ай бұрын

You make a very good point. They won't explicitly name the channels but they are happy to count them.

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

You stop counting when you reach the end of the lists produced by OfCom @@PastPresented

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

@@hangglider1979 You can list the channels. It would make the Capita marketing much clearer.

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

@@hangglider1979 It's not a difficult job- copy/pasting the Sky and Virgin channel lists into a spreadsheet and doing a COUNT of unique names would probably do it.

@saturn1returns 6 ай бұрын

I got a letter from TVL at least I think it was them. It was for me to participate in a TV channel questionnaire as I was picked. It asked for all my personal details and if I watched the channels in the questionnaire. Be careful.

@mattwuk 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for keep doing these videos pointing out the shady tactics and wording Daniel.

@simonfreeman8233 6 ай бұрын

From what I have found is according to the TV licencing site a television program is a program that is designed to be recieved by a Television reciever and a Television reciever is a device desigened to recieve television programs which makes it a circular reference so it doesn't clear anything up

@localbod 6 ай бұрын

Bingo!

@user-cb8ip8fq8e 6 ай бұрын

"Your TV Licence is your must-have pass to over 400 TV channels ..." BBC doesn't provide 400 TV channels, many channels are provided FTA and paid for via advertising.

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

They should provide a list of those 400 TV channels - and then they would not have to use vague words like "TV". It is a finite number. It would make their website so much clearer.

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

@@shiningshtarr3903 It is a finite but ever-changing number, and the TV Licence lasts a year.

@stestar09 6 ай бұрын

Its all manipulation like the gov's statement- "tax doesn't have to be taxing" . Which is in reality- nothing but taxing. They think we're fuckin stupid like sheep 🐑

@ollyrukes 6 ай бұрын

still need a TV licence to watch them though.

@susie5668 6 ай бұрын

@ollyrukes no you don't 😂😂😂

@cr3237 6 ай бұрын

I havent (legally) had a TV licence in years. I say legally, because i genuinely do not watch live TV. There are 2 reasons why, first one is that they dont show anything i would want to watch and the second one is due to my house location, i cant get a decent signal through an external aerial. My new TV isnt in a position in my front room where i can plug in the extenal TV aerial and as a consequence, i havent tuned the TV channels in. I have regularly been contacted by the TV licensing people and told them i dont need a licence and its all been perfectly amicable. Until recently. I got a letter saying 'you dont have a TV licence and we're just checking that you still dont need one'. I filled out the online form and got an acknowledgement. Then i got the 'chase up ' letters which got quite threatening. As i am perfectly legal, i ignored them, but i have a niggle in my head now that i may get someone round and they get pushy. I had previously thought i would be happy to show them my TV set up, but not so much now. I think i will just refuse entry and be done with it.

@natashabrown515 6 ай бұрын

My licence has expired now. I don't watch live TV. I don't watch BBC iplayer on the TV these days. I do watch KZfaq, but none of the shows are live, they are all pre-recorded. I don't like the idea of paying for a license if the money is only going to pay for the state propaganda media corporation. I despise the BBC and don't know why I should be forced to pay for it.

@dannyh9290 6 ай бұрын

Don't pay it. Tell them you threw your tv out, get black out blinds if your living room points towards the main room, never open the door to them and be done with it.

@user-kg1od9es5d 6 ай бұрын

the solution is simple - dont open the door. they have zero legal authority to enter the premises.@@dannyh9290

@jamesrobert4106 6 ай бұрын

You seem to do NOTHING which requires a TV licence. DON'T PAY!!!

@jasonuren3479 6 ай бұрын

I did some research a few years ago about them being able to tell what you may be watching online. As far as I know, this would involve a process known as 'packet sniffing,' which again, as far as im aware, is illegal. Unless the law has been changed

@brolohalflemming7042 6 ай бұрын

It's not illegal if you have the authority to perform traffic intercepts, which I'm pretty sure the BBC doesn't given their powers are defined in the telecoms act. I think it could also get in trouble if it tried to prosecute based on data from aggregators, although that could bring the legality of collecting, aggregating and selling that data into question.

@scarlet4237 6 ай бұрын

They could make an application through the courts to be given viewing information from online providers, couldn't they?

@katrinabryce 6 ай бұрын

Packet sniffing doesn't work on a secure [ssl] website, which pretty much every website is these days. Your browser will present you with scary warnings if the website you are browsing isn't ssl. Without that, they would know for example that you are browsing the bbc website, but not whether you are browsing the iPlayer section of it.

@markdolan8866 6 ай бұрын

Well under the investigatory powers act your ISP must keep a record of everything you do going back a year .... I assume tv licensing can request that data and examine what you've been streaming .....

@brianstuntman4368 6 ай бұрын

@@scarlet4237 I guess they could make an application to gain access to your online viewing info, but surely they'd need to prove to a court why they suspect you are watching without a licence. Simply not having a licence should not be considered as sufficient evidence. Same goes for them getting a warrant to access your home. The standard advice still applies: ignore their letters, shut the door in their face, never communicate with them.

@southerncomfortuk 6 ай бұрын

One of your best videos yet, this could affect so many people. 3.47. The second screenshot re the check boxes you must tick when cancelling… just went through this yesterday while legally cancelling a tv licence that’s no longer required and was shocked to see this part. It implies that legally paid for TV services on demand are illegal. Regarding the VPN server, how long before the law is changed so that TV Licencing can demand data from other TV companies? Govt is currently trying to pass legislation to allow straightforward access to view the bank accounts of some citizens without their permission. I

@EdnaCloud 15 күн бұрын

The BBC think their programmes are worth watching! When I was a child there was only 2 channels, BBC and ITV, there are so many channels now why would anyone miss one. The BBC has failed to offer their customers any value. People like my mother still pay their TV licence under duress because of the corporation's threats of legal action, but the BBC must realise that my mother's generation is coming to an end and so is their meal ticket.

@robtheplod 6 ай бұрын

Simply cancel your Direct Debit. Why do people still fund this shambles?

@KerbalSpacey 6 ай бұрын

I have a question which I already know the answer to but think is very relevant... Do the BBC pay/compensate all the other channels and stations that people are forced to pay for even if they never ever ever watch anything related to the BBC or any of the BBC's services?

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

The TV Licence is a tax, mandated by Government and payable to the Treasury. Not all of the proceeds even go to the BBC.

@KerbalSpacey 6 ай бұрын

@@PastPresented my question remains... Do the other stations get compensated?

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

@@KerbalSpacey Of course not! Governments make laws to suit governments.

@KerbalSpacey 6 ай бұрын

@@PastPresented it's weird how the people of Britain were able to vote on something like exiting the EU but weren't able to vote on this blindingly obvious extortion 🤐

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

@@KerbalSpacey The cost to households of Brexit far outstrips the cost of the TV Licence- and Brexit doesn't even give us _Strictly Come Dancing_

@danburycollins 6 ай бұрын

Careful, they'll have their 'detector vans' out to check on you 😂

@gracesprocket7340 6 ай бұрын

It only detects gullible people.

@jamesrobert4106 6 ай бұрын

😲😲😲 😂

@icdgyixifyinstereo 6 ай бұрын

I assume that you are being sarcastic.

@jamesrobert4106 6 ай бұрын

@@icdgyixifyinstereo Very sarcastic for those of us who remember the old TV ads trying to put fear into everybody 😆

@Dr.Gunsmith 6 ай бұрын

@@jamesrobert4106absolutely 😂

@ashscott6068 6 ай бұрын

The TV licence is like 7-up creating a soda licence. If you want to drink ANY soda, you have to pay your soda licence. If you're a Pepsi guy, you still have to give money to 7-up. You also have to pay them if you have drinking straws, glasses, cups, beakers OR a fridge in your home, because those are things that make it possible to drink soda. 7-up soda licence evasion...it's not fair, it's not right, and it's against the law. Oh, and most of what doesn't go into Gary Linekar's pocket just for talking about football on a show where you don't even get to see the game, is used to silence the victims of the massive pedophile ring that operated with impunity within the 7-up company. (I changed the name of the company in question to 7-up, so the BBC wouldn't sue me for saying they're a bunch of thieving, greedy nonces) (They're a bunch of thieving, greedy nonces)

@niv8880 6 ай бұрын

I entirely agree with the excellent 7-Up soda analogy part - that sums it up. It's a bit like buying a pub and having to pay a protection fee to the local thugs. I know where you are coming from on the other part but am not commenting on this.

@Carrie_Cross 6 ай бұрын

7-up is kinda made by pepsi soda co anyways

@ScratchcardsWithScotty 6 ай бұрын

The truth of the matter in my eyes, the Tv licence written material is deliberately misleading. It’s deliberately designed to confuse ., great video as always 👌 Scotty…

@kesamek8537 6 ай бұрын

All VPNs will give up the goods when pressured legally or otherwise and 'we don't keep logs' is meaningless when they simply allow (or cannot disallow) logging by other parties. If you want to do extra-legal computer work don't rely on commercial VPNs. You're welcome.

@CJ0175 6 ай бұрын

Nothing to give up providing your VPN provided keeps no logs. I'd recommend Mullvad.

@gerrycooper56 6 ай бұрын

At some point the cost of enforcement will exceed the revenue.

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

They do not actually enforce. They are not a regulator. They are salespeople with a side-angle in private investigation work. Most of the money goes on direct marketing by letter, a few advertorials in local newspapers that look like real articles but are absolutely not real articles, running emails, sending text messages, etc.

@dobythedog 6 ай бұрын

A VPN would make no difference if somebody wanted to use the Iplayer without a licence because you have to sign in to BBC I player so they would know that you have signed in. Also, I believe that Iplayer is blocked if your connection is showing as coming from outside of the UK.

@MSmith-vv6fk 6 ай бұрын

If the occupier receives letters stating they're going to send an officer round are we not intiltled to ask them for a full list of the items that they are charging for? I.e. a list of channels, streaming services etc, souldnt we know exactly which services they are charging for instead of the mumbo jumbo legal rubbish they print! I want it itemised like my credit card or bank account or shopping recites

@RobWhittlestone 6 ай бұрын

Because the information provided is incorrect - perhaps deliberately so in the demand e-mail explaining when the license should be purchased - does this constitute a fraudulent request?

@MrRedsh1rt 6 ай бұрын

Over 400 TV Channels? In your previous TV License video didn't you ask them for a list of what is and isn't a TV channel and they couldn't give you a definitive list? They seem to know more than they let on, shocking I know.

@robertlavington2332 5 ай бұрын

Daniel, thank you again for spreading sanity on this matter. The miss worded bullying letters they send are criminal.

@KiryuKazuma2047 6 ай бұрын

There's yet another layer to 'live'... If I'm not mistaken, 'live' here is referring to watching the programme at the time of broadcast. Live TV however, is more typically related to programmes being aired at the same time as its recorded - like a sports event or Strictly / I'm a Celeb.

@glanoe 6 ай бұрын

A VPN isn’t going to save you if you logged into iPlayer with the same email address you used to complete the no license needed declaration or previously used for a license you cancelled. TV Licensing with simply evidence your viewing history from the email address together with your no license needed declaration and you try to argue that in Court, good luck.

@JamoWaffleSponge 6 ай бұрын

Hence why he doesn’t condone breaking the law, you could always give them a burner email though.

@glanoe 6 ай бұрын

@@JamoWaffleSpongeindeed, if you use it then pay for it. I dont use any BBC Services so they are blocked on my router so there can be no question of anyone in my household accessing the BBC website or iPlayer.

@WhiteDieselShed 6 ай бұрын

100% don't pay then do not watch. I stopped paying almost 2 years ago and don't watch it at all. But an email address registration does not link you to an address or even a person. You could have passed on that email address to someone else.

@user-kg1od9es5d 6 ай бұрын

as long as your account doesnt contain info thats accurate related to you e.g. addreess - theres nothing to worry about. they'd have to prove you own the account - which they can't and won't.

@MikeEves 6 ай бұрын

They can't prove anything is my case. They know nothing. Nada

@HelenWilliams-nu7ef 6 ай бұрын

We don’t need a tv licence in Australia 🇦🇺 it’s free unless you want something like Netflix

@richardwaters7770 6 ай бұрын

The same applies to Canada. Canadian TV often broadcasts BBC programmes.

@BuzzaB77 6 ай бұрын

The fact that the BBC cannot actually define the terms of "TV and "Live TV" means this entire licence is not enforceable surely?

@bbr9707 6 ай бұрын

Just a point sir … when I’m out of the country …. Do I still have to pay for a licence…. Different time zones, unable to get connection etc? And when, if I have 2 homes do I have to have 2 licences …. I can only watch from one property……help!

@scoutfinch47 6 ай бұрын

People who have a Network Attached Storage (NAS) and use Plex could also think they'd need a TV License, as you stream to your TV, PC, Mobile, Tablet etc. There needs to be more information if they are going to give out false information, as they currently do.

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

Daniel - good pick-up on the asterisked S4C issue, and well done for a fabulous video, tracing back to the 2004 Regs made under the Act. The only very minor point that I would make to you is that you mentioned that a "television programme services" described with a "+1" in the title implies a "delay", and that this might be related to "virtually at the same time"..... but this is not correct. A "television programme service" that has a "+1" in the title is just a staggered duplicate of the other "television programme service" (without the "+1")...... they are both, in law, counted as "television programme services".... they just have different names and one has a staggered schedule of programmes compared to the other. The concept of "virtually at the same time" is more to do with the milliseconds or perhaps two to three seconds worth of lag between a "television programme service" broadcast by radio within the UK; broadcast from a satellite to the UK; or, distributed via cable within the UK.... and the same "television programme service" being decoded and made available via other electronic means (the internet). It gives force to the idea that watching a "television programme service" on the internet is prohibited (without a "TV Licence") when that data is made available on the internet a fraction of a second after it is made available via the broadcast/distribution methods that "television programme services" are broadcast/distributed on - basically it extends the scope of "reception" to the internet, but only for those "television programme services" that primarily make use of the radio/satellite/cable infrastructure.

@simonwyndham 3 ай бұрын

The trouble is, my understanding of the license is that it pertains you owning a device that is capable of receiving a live television signal, not whether you are watching it or not. So, in the case of a television set, if you have taken down your aerial, your television set is no longer capable of receiving a live signal in your house. Likewise, if you load up iPlayer, even if you are aiming to watch on-demand shows, the iPlayer itself, and therefore the device you have iPlayer on, is capable of receiving live television, because iPlayer can show the live channels.

@ayenoone 6 ай бұрын

Clicked that link 8 years ago rang them informed them iv removed right off access never even had a letter since but I did also remove the Tv aerial from my roof so they prob look and think pointless to even try

@WhiteDieselShed 6 ай бұрын

No rooftop antenna's around here, all in the loft spaces.

@ukdnbmarsh 6 ай бұрын

what is defined as ''LIVE'' as the signal takes an amount of time to reach the viewers, how long a time needs to have passed before a TV program is NOT live?

@Shocker99 6 ай бұрын

And what does 'virtually' exact means?

@kesamek8537 6 ай бұрын

At a quantum level nothing is live.

@lea-anne9133 6 ай бұрын

Exactly. It's bullshit. Nothing goes out live except the news

@The_Mystery_Man_2024 6 ай бұрын

TV licence... 😂 14 years not paid a penny and I'll never pay again.

@brenda1378 6 ай бұрын

Very little on Amazon is live, they have advertised live events. Most is streaming films and other dramas.

@KerbalSpacey 6 ай бұрын

"Is it right to obey an unjust law? No. In fact, in many cases you would have a duty to disobey it if it goes against your morals."

@vatsmith8759 6 ай бұрын

As long as you're prepared to accept the consequences.

@KerbalSpacey 6 ай бұрын

@@vatsmith8759 yeah ideally the consequence would be the removal of said unjust law but we live in a system run by immature psychopaths.

@kesamek8537 6 ай бұрын

Become the consequences.

@vatsmith8759 6 ай бұрын

@@KerbalSpacey We live in an imperfect democracy run by ordinary fallible humans. Just because you disagree with a law it doesn't make it wrong or unjust.

@KerbalSpacey 6 ай бұрын

@@vatsmith8759 no but it does when the majority disagree and acknowledge it's unfair and unjust, by your logic north korea is fine too.

@Nunn_the_wiser 6 ай бұрын

You are better having a Router with a VPN built in

@TheLastCrumb. 6 ай бұрын

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, I dare say nobody will have a problem doing that. My belief regarding TV tax is that if you don't have a household license but your friend does, he can bring his mobile phone and watch TV in your house covered by his own license, unless he plugs it in to charge and then it reverts to my household and become illegal?

@daytona1212 6 ай бұрын

They stopped this Tv Licence nonesens 30 years ago here in The Netherlands. But it's funny that I can watch the BBC live for free in my country.

@slaphead90 6 ай бұрын

What about you - if you do a live stream on youtube or twitch and I watch it then do I need a TV licence? As you are not a TV or broadcasting entity then I'm guessing not.

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

Yes I'm sure you're correct.

@hangglider1979 6 ай бұрын

You don't.

@dannyh9290 6 ай бұрын

You don't need a TV licence. Period.

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

@@dannyh9290 nobody NEEDS a TV licence!

@TheJase8566 6 ай бұрын

If you watch Sky News on KZfaq but scroll it back several hours, would that count as “live TV”?

@zantas-handle 6 ай бұрын

'Live' means 'happening right now in the present moment' - anything you can scroll back to must have already happened in the past.

@TheJase8566 6 ай бұрын

@@zantas-handle is that your layman or legal opinion?

@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 6 ай бұрын

From a legal perspective regarding TV licencing yes it counts as "Live TV" for the purposes of TV licencing. This is well documented. Possible loopholes like watching +1 channels or pausing a live stream etc have been blocked by the law. If you watch a live stream of a TV programme (e.g. Sky News) you need a TV licence no matter where you start watching in the live stream or if you pause it the click play 5 minutes later.

@TheJase8566 6 ай бұрын

@@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 Good to know. Them lot should remove their "live" feed off KZfaq, truth be told.

@deloreshook1387 6 ай бұрын

As an American, watching tv seems very complicated in the UK. Thank goodness I don't have to deal with this.

@robtheplod 6 ай бұрын

Its not really complicated. Those that are aware they don't need a licence don't pay, and the rest pay out of fear as they are ignorant of the law...

@edeledeledel5490 6 ай бұрын

Depends what you mean by "watching TV". It could mean and indeed actually did, before Video Tape Machines, DVD, Video CDs, SMART TVs, etc, watching any TV, as live TV was the only option. But it no longer does. I consider my video display & playing unit (Smart TV) as just that; a video display & playing unit. I can play DVD's, video cd's, USB sticks, SD cards, or internet access on it. I can also receive live TV via terrestrial aerial, or the internet, in which case I am using my TV licence.

@jamesmorleyjmor5003 6 ай бұрын

mugs pay not me.

@-Gumbo 6 ай бұрын

Over 10yrs now and I will NEVER pay for that cack again

@krpkrp3033 6 ай бұрын

Section 363 is whats needs to be removed off the statue books and notwaiting for the "BBC's Royal Charter" to expire.

@The-Audi-driver 6 ай бұрын

The bbc considers live as a first to air showing. You need a license to watch MOTD on a Saturday, but don’t need one on Sunday as it’s repeated there for you can watch it for free

@scarlet4237 6 ай бұрын

Sky has menu options for both live and on demand services. Dont you need a licence just by having the option there (having the receiving equipment) even if you never select the live option?

@childofkon288 6 ай бұрын

This is correct, if it has an option to watch/record live tv (even if you say/never watch it) you will still need a licence

@stu2418 6 ай бұрын

Completely wrong. Practically all tv's basically have the option to watch live TV built in. You don't need a licence just because you have capable equipment. A license is only needed if you actually watch live TV. And yes this makes it very hard for them to prove otherwise.

@childofkon288 6 ай бұрын

@@stu2418 well you can't plug a areal into that tv and just say "i only watch on demand" its the same with those tv apps (itv,bbc) if they are offering both (regardless of which you play) then signing up to use that service requires as tv license

@Shocker99 6 ай бұрын

@@childofkon288 But then everyone has the option to watch/record live TV on KZfaq - even people who don't know the website exists. So where does this stop?

@mikeuk666 6 ай бұрын

@@childofkon288 stop spreading fake information

@user-ch6ti5cc2e 6 ай бұрын

A 4 minute advert, what the heck BBB. You really are selling out the channel.

@mikepxg6406 6 ай бұрын

You can move cursor and not watch it.

@noelward8047 6 ай бұрын

The actual ad' shown is controlled by KZfaq.

@user-ch6ti5cc2e 6 ай бұрын

BBB does a 4 minute ad for Nord VPN which is not controlled by KZfaq.@@noelward8047

@iLoveAppl3947 6 ай бұрын

@@noelward8047 but the user can control the ads

@lyr1kn156 6 ай бұрын

I don't watch any live TV at all, nor do I use anything affiliated with BBC, I don't pay TV license and I've been harassed about it. I have a TV screen, with no antenna anywhere and I only use Prime Video and Netflix.

@xxMarc21xx 6 ай бұрын

I've a question for you please. An in house security guard standing near the entrance and exit at a big department store. Does he need to display an SIA Badge at all times? He's stopping people to check their bags and receipts. Not displaying your SIA Badge is a criminal offence under section 9 of the private security Industry Act 2001. The reason l'm asking this question is that the store is saying he's in house security,and doesn't need an SIA Badge,or display one. Is the above true? What chambers do you work at? Would you accept work from the general public? Could you explain some law regarding the Equality Act 2010. Just explaining the relevant laws about people being treated unfavourably under this Act.

@venividivici1401 6 ай бұрын

A store cannot just "check" bags and receipts. They need to be POSITIVE that a crime has occurred and ASK to be shown any unpaid goods. In house do not need SIA licence, (except for door stewards). But neither can "search" or in any way single you out for treatment that is not a routine process for EVERYONE leaving the store. 👍🏼

@xxMarc21xx 6 ай бұрын

@@venividivici1401Thank you for your reply. So anyone standing near an exit still needs an SIA Badge? If they are carrying out the function of a security guard?

@venividivici1401 6 ай бұрын

@xxMarc21xx Sorry, no. Only an actual Door Steward would need SIA whether in house or not. Their role is specific to a licenced premises in which their presence is stipulated in the operating licence. A Security Guard or CCTV operator only need SIA if sub contracted, (not in house). So in a store they are not required to have Door Stewards so any in house security staff do not need SIA, they are simply an employee of the store. A Door Steward requires a higher level of training than Security Guard and they are both defined as separate roles in terms of SIA accreditation.

@iseenochains-oops7863 6 ай бұрын

So why do you/they say that a licence is needed for iPlayer (which is not live)?

@stu2418 6 ай бұрын

Because it's provided by the BBC. I presume you mean BBC iPlayer.

@iseenochains-oops7863 6 ай бұрын

@stu2418 Not clear to me that that argument is valid. The act surely refers to LIVE broadcasts (specifically avoiding limiting to the BBC). Daniel please clarify? BTW thx for ur comment stu.

@hangglider1979 6 ай бұрын

...because it is specifically mentioned in the legislation. The following is taken from the gov.uk website for when you need a TV licence: You need a TV Licence to watch or record programmes on a TV, computer or other device as they're broadcast, and to watch on-demand BBC programmes on iPlayer

@iseenochains-oops7863 6 ай бұрын

@@hangglider1979 Surprising - thx

@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 6 ай бұрын

In the past before it was changed you did not need a TV licence to watch anything on the iPlayer or even use the iPlayer to watch live TV broadcasts of BBC programmes. Lots of young adults therefore decided to not buy a TV licence and watch all the BBC stuff they wanted legally (in the past) using the iPlayer. Old viewers that used a TV did not think is was fair that youngsters were watching the same things as they did and "freeloading" because they used the internet rather than a TV to watch it. Old people were not happy and the view was that old people were funding the BBC just because they used a TV because they did not understand the internet. So the law was changed so that you need a TV licence to watch any live TV channels/streams of TV shows and also to watch TV BBC programmes on the iPlayer. This was to get rid of the "watching it via the internet rather than a TV" loophole for BBC programmes. Afterall, in fairness if you watch Strictly, why should someone pay of it because they have a TV and someone else not pay for it because they are using an iPad?

@seanstewart8942 6 ай бұрын

The fact a company can claim to own the tv rights is a joke. It's a device invented by a Scotsman, perfected by the Japanese and used worldwide for free except this one little island says "hey, £10 per month to turn that on here" 😅 what in the world! Does nord vpn work with BBC 😂

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

Other countries have TV licences. In Germany you have to have one even if you don't have a TV!

@lea-anne9133 6 ай бұрын

@@DJMattEmpathythat's completely absurd!

@DJMattEmpathy 6 ай бұрын

@@lea-anne9133 yeah I know!

@PastPresented 6 ай бұрын

@@lea-anne9133 Absurd or not, it's actually normal- but some governments are more devious than others when it comes to hiding their media taxes.

@localbod 6 ай бұрын

@@DJMattEmpathy I can believe that from the country that brought us the Nazis.

@campsbaysa 6 ай бұрын

“In Real Time” would also be a good way to describe “live tv”.

@iflyrc1410 6 ай бұрын

What a mess! No licence required in Australia and with a VPN, BBC and ITV can easily be viewed here if you're inclined.

@haytonism 6 ай бұрын

Don't know why it bugs me we need a tv license, give it a year n we'll need a license to think.

@kesamek8537 6 ай бұрын

Most British people wouldn't qualify for one or need one, be real fam.

@iaidoman 6 ай бұрын

From what I have seen Daniel. TVL have a good firm of lawyers on their payroll. They have gone above and beyond their duty in the area of obfuscation. You are a very good man for bringing this to the attention of the layperson.

@angryscottishidiot 6 ай бұрын

I have not required a license for nearly a decade and have as a courtesy informed the TV Licensing as the cost of an online form is only a few minutes. Howerver, there are plenty of videos telling you when you don't need a license, but I still do not understand , when the BBC has no involvement in the delivery network, WHY do they have to be paid, I.E. Watching Virgin or Sky TV even if I don't watch BBC on them. Maybe in the old day, the maintenance of infrastructure of the broadcast towers would warrant the fee. But IPTV? i used to buy a license as it was more convenient than the 'risk' of proesecution. When they sent dozens of letters, some threateneing to the property of my then, recently departed aunt, whilst I was dealing with the property, despite me informing them, then I chose I did not care to have any involvement with them. It was almost a letter every 2 to 3 days. I found it desperate and disgusting, and threatening a dead relative is something I will never forgive them for.

@shiningshtarr3903 6 ай бұрын

The email says that the "TV Licence" allows you to watch "over 400" TV Channels, so they must have a list of about 400 to 500 TV Channels. Let's see the list then....! (Hint Hint)

@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 6 ай бұрын

Easy it is just Sky or Virgin etc.

@Christopher_T_Paul 6 ай бұрын

How does TVL even ever prove beyond reasonable doubt that license evader are actually watching live TV? Other than a confession they cannot prove you have broken the law. TVL do get court orders to enter property and examine TV sets, but even if they are found to be capable of receiving live TV, it doesn't mean anyone has watched live TV. The reality is there is no evidence they should be allowed to use in court. If they used a goon statement to say he saw live TV through the window, then they are hardly impartial as we know goons get paid commissions for sales and for information leading to convictions.

@Kazamajin08 6 ай бұрын

"I'm not encouraging anyone to break the law.... here is a product that I am promoting that allows you to bypass copyright laws." The reason that you cannot watch the TV shows, or the content online in other countries is because the other countries do not have permission to view that content, for copyright reasons.

@seanjamescameron 6 ай бұрын

I don't have a TV so don't need a license. They keep asking every few months. I used to work on television so know there is nothing worth watching on there.

@Vampyratus 5 ай бұрын

I can't believe i had to skip 4 minutes to get past the Nord ad! I pay for KZfaq premium so I don't have to bother with ads but that took up just under a quarter of the video!

@johnchipperfield3367 6 ай бұрын

Obviously these magistrates that are convicting people, need investigating.

@owenorders5202 6 ай бұрын

What happened to the guy a few years ago whose defence was that he had a television, but didn't actually watch it? The media never reported the resolution of that case. And can you be prosecuted for watching television without a licence if you turn the colour down to a black screen or cover the screen and only listen to it?

@trapdoor123 6 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that's a phshing scam and not really from TV Licensing! I would certainly treat it as such if I received that.

@tonystock856 6 ай бұрын

The bbc must be investigated for the same reasons the Post Office is now being investigated and hopefully prosecuted a.s.a.p.

@madmick9205 6 ай бұрын

I am so very annoyed. My partner has a tv license. Our tv is totally unused, but she pays it anyway. Her fear of being prosecuted for not having one overrides the fact that we do not need one. But, I do not win disputes with my partner!!!

@vibrantrealms1048 6 ай бұрын

Did you know you can be charged with stealing your own Car in the UK? This is one of the strange quirks of UK Law, perhaps BBB can chime in but its worth knowing about it. Google "Man accused of stealing his own car from garage", The context is he left his Car in for repair and then allegedly took it back without permission or telling them using a spare key, now he's up in court for alleged theft of his own car! I remember previous stories about Garages going into receivership while cars have been repaired and even paid for and the owner removing the car without permission and being pursued by the receiver! Its a very grey area of UK law! Anyone any thoughts? He's ben in court and has a date to appear for full hearing Judge Catherine Richards who granted him bail and set a trial date on June 5!

@Gilb2047 6 ай бұрын

TV tax people aren't going to change anything unless someone takes them to court for false advertising.

@TheDeadgedd 6 ай бұрын

I think virtually the same time also requires clarification is a1 hour delay virtually the same as right now. If I turn up 1 hour later than scheduled for an appointment/meeting/court etc and argue I was virtually on time it would not wash

@mikec2111 6 ай бұрын

Our local church services are transmitted live on KZfaq and sometimes Zoom. Some congregation who cannot get to church will watch on their Smart TV so it is “live” on “KZfaq” on their TV but the church is not a broadcast company so as I understand it, tv license is not required. English Heritage will also broadcast live seminars, many companies will live broadcast shareholder AGMs on such as KZfaq which again, as far as I know, do not need a license. (The BBC include “KZfaq” but what on KZfaq needs a license then? Any thoughts?

@thegrimsaxon790 6 ай бұрын

For things like SKY news and BBC that live stream to KZfaq channels simultaneously to their TV broadcasts.

@davidthatcher7824 6 ай бұрын

As the government sets the license fee, the government needs lobbying to incorporate change.

@kangthedecafinator6903 6 ай бұрын

I don't watch TY, live or otherwise, I do online game. 6 Years ago I bought my Nan a new TV as the old one was straining her eyes. 6 years worth of TV Licensing threats and they still haven't moved past letters. It's a con. If it wasn't they wouldn't resort to such tactics. Love the channel, keep it up

@mattwoodford1820 6 ай бұрын

I giggles when you said "the colon" and then paused because I immediately thought "is exactly where they can place their license.

@Viratan 6 ай бұрын

off top of my head , would this not count as fraudulent misrepresentation .. its a government body or a department with legal power on behalf of a gov body misrepresenting what the actual law says in formal document ?

@LarsV62 6 ай бұрын

The old TV licensing system here in Norway used to be like in UK (from the time when live TV was the only available, through the old monopoly provider NRK (parallell to the old BBC.) It was introduced as a means to partly finance NRK in addition to what they received over the government budget. As technology evolved and Internet on demand services such as KZfaq appeared, the system was changed to require license only for households that had any device with a terrestrial broadcast tuner. Some people who used their TV purely as a PC monitor for watching live TV streamed over the Internet by the broadcaster or any other on demand streaming service over the Internet, could be prosecuted like your TV Licensing does, and was also found guilty IF their TV had a tuner installed. Some who had their TV tuner module removed by a professional TV repair service company was NOT eligible to pay a license as long as their household had no other device with a tuner, such as VCR player or PC with a tuner card. In the end, the old TV license system was abolished and the license is now part of the government's income tax, but not specified in your tax statement.

@venividivici1401 6 ай бұрын

12:40. They neglect to include the word "live" in some examples and then use it in others. That makes you think that there are both "live" and "non live" occassions of illegal TV watching. More blatant deceit and orchestrated falsehood. 🤦‍♂️

@philipoakley5498 6 ай бұрын

A 'device' (physical artifact) isn't a 'receiver' (action of receiving) would appear to be at the heart of the matter regarding the distinction about what items one may have (laptops, set top boxes, mobile phones, tablets, etc etc.) and that having those items, by itself, isn't a reason for needing a TV licence. It's only when you use (or actively plan to use) such items that you then have to consider if you are watching something that was broad-cast (rather than being on-demand narrow-cast) that you need the licence.