Hello! I'm back from a little break. Had to focus on other things for a while :) - Sorry for the microphone quality on some of the upcoming videos! I have switched to a new one and I'm still adjusting the audio filters. This is getting better everyday and should be sorted within a week or so. Thank you for your patience and I hope you enjoy the content! Have a great day /TMM

"most of you will do this" *drops combo immediately* You know us so well

We all know marduk is the strongest mishima

Heihachi is the Gigachad of Tekken. His balance can go up and down but his coolness is uncontested at #1.

Yeah, the fact that heihachi has the rule “never duck against this guy” built into his game plan, it makes his “bad” lows so much stronger, simply because the chances of them connecting are much greater due to his special rule. His character design is genius. And also TMM, it takes a big man to rectify a mistake they made. Well done brother 🤘🖤

I've been learning heihachi as a secondary. It's very fun as he is the King of iron mids

Yeah heihachi's gameplan seemed so well developed. He imposes his will on the game, the other Mishimas have to play around their opponent more. That's not the only thing he has, but in a scrappy system like t7 safety and homing is so powerful.

Heihachi is the Mishima I do the best with. Always felt so free playing him and felt he was super underrated.

I've been screaming about this for some time on this channel. This is what I like about TMM, he is not afraid to admit when he is wrong. Kazuya is easily harder to play than heihachi in the latest update, and this video sums it up pretty well. Hell, my flatmate plays heihachi on pad and is near tekken god prime, he doesn't barely even use electrics. I see the argument that people want electric nerfed again like in T6. (where the mishimas where also bad) But at this point with kazuya he basically would be a nutured character. His jab sucks, almost everything is unsafe, no real get off me panic moves, pathetic range, and his key moves get blown up by fast attacks and sidestepping. One blocked hellsweep you die. Axe kick is pretty fuzzy guardable too. Maybe there's an argument for toning down the electric for other mishimas, but that's almost all kazuya has in his favour. There also has to be some sort of reward for "difficult" execution other wise every move might as well be direction + button. So it needs to be strong. There is a reason why Namco targeted Kazuya for buffs in the later seasons, hence the homing hell sweep fiasco. Unfortunately they just appear to have no idea how to actually do it... Lets hope they watch this video because I think it's a decent breakdown.

No panic attack, bad frames on block, and no parries equal problems for the player. I always thought Kazuya was hard to use so thank u for confirming my suspicion.

Really glad we’re past the phase of people downplaying the nerfs DVJ received. They obliterated the character.

Perhaps Mainmanswe lost to a godlike heihachi

I see Mainman has been losing to good Heihachi players lol

After getting DJ killed TMMSWE comes forth with his actual plan. Make Kazuya strongest Again.

This was a great watch. Love hearing that someone as experienced as you has leveled up their understanding of the game even further, and I agree completely with your assessment of the mishimas and the general gameplay style of T7

Omg I'll never use auto subtitles again... Devil Jin=Double chin

"OMG devil jin is so OP wtf namco?" *nerfs DevilJin* "OMG devil jin is so weak wtf Namco?"

I’m so high this is literally like art in a way

always loved heihachi for those reasons. glad i chose him as my first main as he really thought me the fundamentals of tekken real quick

Heihachi is the King of Mids for a reason.

Really respect that you’re able to change your opinion and clarify any misconceptions you had

New enlightened knowledge tier list when?

Thank you for telling the truth about Devil Jin

I love Heihachi! His combos are hard to do, so people gotta work a bit on the execution, but it is so fun to play and he's simply badass!

“Kazuya might fall out of the top 20.” That is heartbreaking to hear.

After I hit red ranks with kazuya I started to play heihachi and the game is so much more fun compared to kazuya. Heihachi best Mishima

All the people who can’t think for themself who copied this guys opinion and were saying devil jin is still good look so d*** right now. It’s actually funny. This is why you should think for yourself children. Everyone except this guy and his drones were saying devil jin isn’t good anymore. Now he finally caught up.

thank you mainman for finally saying devil jin isnt top 5 or top 10. all ur fans were riding that opinion hard just cuz u said it at the beginning of the patch.

kazuya's jab is arguably the most frustrating about playing him -- there's VARIOUS attacks i try to use it to punish, but it will whiff while my SLOWER attack manages to correctly punish the attack. it happens a lot when trying to punish Noctis's down forward(?) 2... drives me crazy when i lose because of that issue

hei main here. been saying ALL this since the jab buff. feels good man. you forgot to mention another reason why hei is the best. hei has the best movement out of the mishimas as well. his sidestep is better and it compliments his fundy heavy playstyle very well.

dont you love it when streamers and pros say " pls nerf this character" and when they do nerf the character to death they go " oh thats too much, pls that wasnt right" basically screwing casual players lol

Kazuya is just way too much work. I don't play ranked that often but it was so hard to get even the warrior rank. I've started playing zafina and i reached yellow ranks in no time

When you start learning heihachi and tmm uploads a video about him. Now I'm motivated!

Lucky Chloe is a Mishima

The strongest Mishima is obviously Season 3 Leroy stronger than the Devil Gene itself.

To be fair I love Kazuya, he is my main, but I always knew he needed big buffs. Many characters have broken stuff, but not him. He can't poke, his punishment are inconsistent, he is incredibly weak to SSL, he has range issue, the nerf of movement is real problem for him and his execution is too demanding.

If you think Devil Jin wall combo was lacking, ask yourself this: "What the fuck does he do WITHOUT the wall?" All his enders either push his opponents back too far for an oki, or gives them plenty of time to recover. His wall combo was the only thing going for him along with his wraith kick 50/50. When you remove both that, he only has a good hell sweep and the demon's paw.

As a DJ main, it hurts to see ma boi get his wings clipped this hard :'( They could've at least kept the b2,1 and remove uf4.

One thing no one talks about is how strong Jins EWHF actually is. He doesn't push back at all, and gets +5 on block - all other Mishima push back and can't really use the frames. Jin on the other hand can pressure with df+1, d+4, uf+2, f+1+2, Magic 4, Hellsweep, etc all after his electric gets blocked with no pushback, it's completely busted and by far the best electric. Just worth mentioning I think~

@themainmanswe hope you read this, in my opinion, Kazuya don't have much attacks because it's a defensive character, if you look closer every kazuya move its a punish, including PEWGF, its a reaction character, for using it properly you have to defend knowing the oponent attacks, its quite difficult knowing every character moves are above 100. this will sound weird, but kazuya its more effective and lethal if you dont use combos, you can get always better position for the entire round if you start defending.

Kazuya is my favorite character story wise and my 2nd favorite to play, but I’ve always ranked him in the lowest 5 characters to play. I’m only a fujin so I know I don’t have the knowledge of a high level player but still I can’t think of many characters harder to play with the facts that his execution is soo ridiculously difficult and he is sooo horribly punishable and simple.

This guys appreciation and enthusiasm for tekken is really cool to see. I didnt even like tekken before is started watching these vids. now its all i play

Crazy how my own opinion also just changed.

I think the Devil Jin U/F+4 nerf (no knockdown, no mini combo) killed him. Cuz usually you have that to keep your opponents standing.

Huge W on that Heihachi take. Hopefully more people understand now

Love the videos been playing Tekken 7 for maybe a little over 20 weeks and you have helped me a lot can't wait until your next video. !!S Tier content!!

We Heihachi mains recon he has BS moves like the demon uppercut, but he is very technical to play and only players who are willing to endure getting beat up over and over again in ranked two thirds of the time in order to understand how he works are ok with playing Heihachi. Also lets not forget that he is a Mishima so fundamentally based character, and while Heihachi favours a bully style of gameplay he struggles against characters that have good movement or evasive stances and attacks. Therefore good Heihachi must pick and choose their moments to be the juggernaut of pressure and the moments to be more relaxed to frustrate the opponent for them to commit to an unsafe move for him to punish, that requires good fundamentals and defence which takes Time. Overall Heihachi mains have Always been here, its just that the buffs over the seasons just added up while people were figuring ways to make the character strong with mixups and setups. To me the resurgence of Heihachi and mishima players in Europe and the insane Mishima scene in Pakistan, south America, and Asia showed that people are still wanting to play a version of Tekken that ressembles more legacy Tekken than modern Tekken. An easy concept on paper, but very specialised and hard to master with defined flaws and weak against lots of other characters that are more pushed as being the more modern faces of Tekken. To me its beautiful. Also devil jin has never been a problem to me being OP he always has been the Tekken version of Akuma or bison since T5, the cool villain that is really and does stuff nobody else does, and he is the dark side of the main character so he should be strong but i understand that uf4 was cheap as hell and needed nerfs

The damage difference between Kazuya and Devil Jin is just too large that I cannot put Kazuya below him. Devil Jin is the worst Mishima now to me.

*And right after this video Arsenalty demolishes MainMan’s Hei with Jin*

You've discovered the issue I had with Devil Jin in general that his moves have sucky synergy. He has moves that basically have one opportunity to hit and if they don't you rarely have anything that fits as a consistent follow-up. f,f+2 is an alright mid with a deep hitbox but if it's blocked you're out of options; you have to pull back and wait for their response. With Jin I can press 1+2 if I think they're going to react by running in after a f,f+2 and it'll punish a rushdown attempt but Devil Jin has no such move to go into after a situation like that. Add to that poor Tailspin options for combos (they're either low-damage or difficult to land for maximum damage), which gives him the worst staple combos of the Mishimas, and some mediocre poking (like d+3, which isn't necessarily bad to use as a standalone attack but grants nothing strategic at all because you're negative even when you land it). He's definitely not terrible but of the three Mishimas he's the most awkwardly designed most of the time (which makes some lore sense -- he can use the fighting style but his more chaotic drive means that it's not controlled or disciplined, relying more on instinctual response than calculated action). That said if you want a mid that's less reactable you could throw u/f+3 out there. It's actually theoretically MORE reactable because it's got a slower start but personally I like that slower start because it screws with people who expect something faster to come out when you're going for a 50/50. On block and normal hit it leaves your opponent quite minus and on CH it gives you the same launch as CD 3 (and the laggy startup can help set this up). The only problem I have is the input tends to make Devil Jin hop coming out of a crouch dash rather than go into the move so you need to find the right timing where the CD input has been cleared but you've still got that forward momentum to really take advantage of the attack's pressure potential.

loving this more open-minded TMM

yeah kaz has felt extremely underwhelming for a while, and heihachi jab has felt crazy for a minute, DJ feels dead

It only makes sense that Heihachi is the top mishima now , hes the main character of the history mode

I do appreciate that you take the time to reflect on your old opinions and think critically about them. I may not entirely agree with all of them, but kudos to you or anyone else who is willing to absorb more information and use it to grow as a person and/or a player.

Imagine calling Kazuya "not a good character" ..is TMM slowly losing his mind?

Kazuya is supposed to be the best defensive character, yet what do they give him? His 1,1,2 doesn't wallsplat, he doesn't get an upgraded 12f punisher that's worth using over b1,2; his standing 13f punisher sucks outside of PEWGF which THE BEST DEFENSIVE CHARACTER shouldn't have to use, it should be easy. Does he have a small hurtbox to aid in movement? No. Does he have a good backdash? No. Does he have a parry? No. Does he have good keepout moves? Not really. Can his slow as fuck mediocre damage moves at least have not bad block frames? Nope. Reason? Harada HATES Kazuya. Solution? Standing 13f TP that's -15 on block. Ff3 0 on block. Db+2 -3 on block, WS2 -13 on block, hellsweep DJ range, f+1+2 -7 on block, 1,1,2 wallsplat.

Great title! It pulled me in instantly.

I always remember tmm saying Kaz was like a sleeper "s tier" on this game or at least. I'm surprised he changed his opinion as someone who can do all the hard/difficult kazuya stuff.

funny how late he realized how hard they hit Devil jin when a few of us said it from the beginning lol hopefully he'll be stronger in Tekken 8. Or still even a separate character at all...

TMM on db4: this is not a low you'll be throwing out alot My noob ass: yeeeah... about that...

Please TMM make a final video on Lei,Xiaoyu,leo and Eddy too

Kazuya always felt underpowered in all these recent games compared to the others thats why I had several back up mains like Miguel and Devil Jin. He's still my fav tho and really iconic.

Always had the exact same opinion about Kazuya, no poking hurts the character too much and alot of his main moves take too many frames to start and leave you so negative that you can't even sidestep safely. I never thought he was super strong like people think he is, Kazuya is mid-tier or a "enthusiast" character kind of character.

Funny how I started playi Heihachi about a week ago, he’s my second favorite to play, after Jin

I rely on kaz's b+1+2, d+1+2 for counter hits from neutral, ss+3 or d/b+3 to twin pistons, and unblockable setups, I do wish kaz's fc, d/f+3+4 would hit low, then he'd have some symmetry with his paw, get ppl crouching when they see you crouching, to setup the twin pistons better, conditioning opponents is so crucial in tekken I'm surprised the tekken community doesn't talk about it more, show a tendency, then switch it up, or don't, that's the good stuff, lol, "I'm sleeping, or am I?" x:)

Heihachi gets his deserved place among the mishima

Sorry, but this has to be one of the goofiest takes I've heard from you, right up there with your claim back in season 3 that Lars at the time had pitiful combo damage, or that King in games prior to T7 had a great grappling game but that was all there was to him. 5:27 The nerfed movement and the shift in the focus of the game towards 50/50s is precisely one of the things that really hampers Heihachi in T7 (another key thing being the switch from the bound to the screw system, which greatly hurt his wall carry and combo flexibility). T7 is a game where you need a 50/50 to open the opponent up. Heihachi doesn't really have a viable 50/50 except maybe at the wall. This makes him dependent on timing mix-ups to open the opponent up, which the gimped movement of T7 makes more difficult. 8:27 15 damage and 8 frames of advantage is _pitiful_ reward for the risk of getting delayed hopkick-punished. The risk-reward ratio on Heihachi's hellsweep is not good, and the fact that it's a CH launcher does not make it so. 10:00 d/b+4 is not a bad low, granted, but it isn't anything to write home about either. Moreover, it's about the only low that Heihachi has whose risk-reward ratio is such that you can reasonably characterise it as decent. 10:18 FC+d/f+4 is not only delayed hopkick-punishable on block, but it's locked behind full crouch, making it doubly risky. The reward is not enough to compensate for this in my opinion. 11:03 Erm, no. Devil Jin, unlike Heihachi, can get decent damage from his CH d/f+2. Moreover Devil Jin has b+4, which is i17, as against Heihachi's f+3, which is i18, and again, Devil Jin's b+4 has higher damage potential than Heihachi's f+3. Devil Jin's b+4 also has higher damage potential than Heihachi's b+4, which, coupled with the former being one frame faster, arguably makes Devil Jin's b+4 the superior keep-out tool. 11:09 That depends on which aspect of pressure you're talking about. Certainly, Heihachi has the best lockdown game among the Mishimas, thanks to having the better f+4 of the two characters who have this move. However, Devil Jin has the best poking of the Mishimas, due to having a safe mid extension to his d/f+1, as well as d/b+2, an unseeable low that high-crushes, is +3 and forces crouch on hit while only being -13 on block, and also knocks down into guaranteed follow-ups on CH (Heihachi has no equivalent to this). Furthermore, while the nerf to Devil Jin's u/f+4 undoubtedly hurts his 50/50 game, it remains far better than Heihachi's, which, to reiterate, is non-existent, at least away from the wall. The Mishima with the best 50/50s, though, remains Kazuya. 11:13 His crouching block punishment remains among the worst in the game. Kazuya's, by contrast, is among the best in the game. 11:43 To suggest that Heihachi is the strongest Mishima, and the Mishima whose toolkit is best suited to T7, is inane. You can _maybe_ make an argument that Heihachi is not the _weakest_ Mishima, and that he's stronger than Kazuya, thanks to his superior lockdown, poking and CH game (though Kazuya has decent wall carry, unlike Heihachi's, which is dogshit, some of the strongest crouching block punishment in the game, in contrast to Heihachi, who has some of the weakest, and has a strong 50/50 game, whereas Heihachi does not, to say the least). To place Heihachi above Devin Jin, though, is asinine. Devil Jin has certainly taken a hit in patch 5.00, what with the nerfs to his u/f+4 and his post-wall carry damage, and I'd no longer consider him top-tier, or even high-tier, but he remains the strongest true Mishima, with the best poking, CH game, panic moves and (arguably) keepout, along with a still-decent 50/50 game.

Heihahi is clearly the most versatile. Way more options

You forget the devil kazuya

THANK YOU!!!!

The iron grandpa been slept on 😅

Cant remember how many time i have said DJ is not even close to top 10. Hope for more adjustment for him

I never understood how some people considered him one of the hardest chatacter if you can just spam safe tracking launching mids all the time. Safe huge reward game

Devil Jin players called this years ago but still got punished with the nerfs but oh well 🤷🏽‍♂️

Kazuya in English means Peace, Harmony, Calm

Finally Mainman Finally You realised it 🙏 Welcome to reality 🤝

No wonder. I was a Hwoarang main and it took me a few hundred wins to get to Vindicator. With Heihachi however it took me around just 70 wins, and I had more fun playing Hei than Hwoa xD

Heihachi lows were always viable just risky, and they still are that. Viable...and risky.

used to play alisa , breezed through the green ranks , then i played eliza , also a breeze , then i play heihachi and i hate my life cant even properly play green ranks without being demoted over and over

It's a real shame to me that Tekken 7 is balanced this way to reward poking and ease of use (besides Akuma) when it comes to strength. IMO movement and flawed characters with higher risk/reward allows for much more dynamic and creative play in all games. Hopefully Tekken 8 realizes this mistake reworks the game system to reward risk and movement more and reduce the power of the safer and easier characters have.

Heihachi don't have a fast mid launcher and also don't have a good low and all mids are -14😅

18:03 that's a herculean inhale right there 😂

yeah i don't even know anymore, the absolute fact about tier lists and placings is that they are fucking worthless, it's been like this and it'll always be like this with Tekken. everyone goes up and down all the time even this late in the game's life span.

Hearing Tmm say Kazuya is a bad character is wild

the real fighter that has a ultra terrible low right now is Lidia.

even if Kazuya will be the worst in the game I'll never play another character

Growth. I love it old man

THANK YOU. I recently picked up Lee (Law main), and I'm having a lot of fun and I like the challenge it brings. Whenever I encounter a decent Heiachi though, if I am not veery careful all the time I get absolutely MAULED by the dude. And I kept thinkin WTF is he actually trash tier & the weakest mishima? But Mainmanusu desu ka? Soo yea. Thanks for letting me keep my sanity a little longer

Today is the day that mainman finally admits that kazuya is shit. RESPECT. Still the most fun mishima though so there's that

I got cheated on yesterday, mainman posting is the shit I needed fr

heihachi is the only mishima i can consistently play, im a jim main but using dvj i literally cannot win with him, kazuya is a mixed bag for me

rip kazuya :(

Whorerang is the strongest mishima

I...have ALWAYS felt that you've underrated hei-papi.

F2,3 is underrated honestly it’s such a good move

15;36 testament to the power creep in 7 where one of the best moves in every game since it was introduced is no longer considered scary. For regular Jin (pre tag 2 you could say it was one of his 3 good moves, parry FF+2, ewgf)

Once some opponents stay on the ground after FC d/f4, you can do a crouch cancel into battering ram. It's such a great tool!

LIke I've been saying since the patch, it's like they gave them more identity in a way where, Devil Jin is "punishment", Kazuya "mixup" and Heihachi is "pressure".

You nailed it on Heihachi. I've been saying Heihachi is the strongest Mishima for a while now. DVJ won't be in T8 and the nerfing him to the ground serves as a preamble to that.

okay i'm happy i need to reconsider machimas, thx main man