And the people who cried, "IT GET'S DARKER WITH EACH MOVIE" killed the surprise.

@@Adventures_of_Sido Not in the book.

@@PhilBagels regardless, Goyle never killed the diadem, is the point.

@@Tylerdavasel In the book, it was Crabbe, but the actor was unavailable for the movie, so they switched it to Goyle.

@@PhilBagels wow, that... It's like you didn't even read what I said...

He almost gave up on the role after the first or second movie, it was only because JK revealed his back story and why he was the way he was and he kept it secret the whole time which is why his portrayal was so perfect, idk how this show could ever be remade

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hahahahaha what a good nickname V O L D Y

I’m confused by your wording a bit. I’d love to discuss it since Snape is such an amazing, conflicted, and enigmatic character for the entire series. It seems your requote would make the situation even more emotional if Snape actually hated Harry rather than seeming neutral like the question Dumbledore asked. I don’t think Snape hated Harry like you mentioned, since that would be difficult to justify starting from movie 1. It seems he took a neutral approach, perhaps even more as a silent guardian, but did so out of his undying love for Lily. The theory about his first question in Potions class being a cryptic message to mean he regrets Lily’s death is an interesting one. I think the fact Snape merely answered Dumbledore by casting a Doe Patronus over a Stag confirms Snape held a constant position from the start. He might’ve been particularly tough and stern to Harry, and might’ve been mild revenge from the bullying James did to him, but it seems his love of Lily outweighed his hatred of James. He certainly battled it, but it seems his love was always the dominating quality over his hatred when it came to Harry.

Dumbledore opened his eyes. Snape looked horrified. "You have kept him alive so that he can die at the right moment?" "Don't be shocked severus, how many men and women have you watched die?" "Lately, only those whom I could not save," said snape. He stood up. "You have used me." "Meaning?" "I have spied for you and lied for you, put myself in mortal danger for you. Everything was supposed to be to keep Lily Potter's son safe. Now you tell me you have been raising him like a pig for slaughter...." "But this is touching severus," said Dumbledore seriously. "Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?" "For him?" Shouted snape. "Expecto Patronum!" From the tip of his wand burst the silver doe: She landed on the office floor, bounded once across the office, and soared out of the window. Dumbledore watched her fly away, and as her silvery glow faded he turned back to snape, and his eyes were full of tears. "After all this time?" "Always," said snape.

@@tobiasreiper371 complements my point very well lol. Clearly there was never any hatred for Harry, but it still remains entirely related to Lily, since he did everything to keep “Lily Potter’s son safe” instead of “Harry safe”. It seems he’s even admitting that he’s always cared for him indirectly-it’s not that he cared for him personally, but cared for Lily so much that he did it to keep her memory alive.

Still, in the end Dumbledore agree Harry need to be killed anyway, so the statement you mention above make it worse imo.

@@Holyproperty I mean it wasn't his fault Harry became a Horcrux, and that his death was the only way to kill Voldemort, who would be responsible for who knows how many deaths if not stopped. It's a bad situation but it's not like he's celebrating it.

The movies leave out a lot - even out of the "Big Reveal." We saw all along that Snape is a bully - of his students (the ones he doesn't like). The movies never showed how he told Neville during one class that his assigned potion (conteracting poisons) would be tested on Neville's familiar, Trevor. Also, James didn't "steal" Lilly; Snape lost her all by himself when he called her a Mudblood. She just couldn't forgive that. In the reveal, Snape says "Hide them all" but when the conversation started, he wanted Dumbledore to hide Lilly - ONLY. It was only after being chastized that he changed to "hide them all." He was negotiating, but he'd already shown that he wouldn't care if James and Harry died. Then there is the omission from "Don't tell me you've come to care for the boy?" Snape's first response, in his inimical tone, was "The boy?" He might as well have said "Are you frickin' crazy?" I can go as far as agreeing with Harry that Snape was - or at least could have been - the bravest man Harry had ever known. His double-agent life was difficult and dangerous, and although he wanted to quit (and said so, just before Dumbledore and Harry went after the locket) he didn't do so. He stuck it out, and that definitely took courage. But day to day? Snape was, frequently, a dick.

@@i.marchand4655 Interesting I never read the books and after the legilimens scene in Order of the Phoenix, I had always been curious to know more of the details of what transpired during the school years of James (and his friends), and Lily and Snape I wondered how Lily and Snape could drift apart by so much when they seemed to have been very close before Hogwarts? It makes a little more sense to me with what u said But more than that, I was curious about how Lily and James fell in love Do the books cover these things aswell?

The issue I've always had with Snape: He was the reason Voldermort started hunting the Potters in the first place, because he overheard the profecy and ran to his master to tell him, of course without knowing it was about the Potters. When he realized he fucked up, as someone already stated here, he asked for Dumbledore's protection, but only for Lily, at which point in the books Dumbledore told him "You disgust me" and was literally about to kill him. He didn't care about Harry or James, they could have died on the spot and he wouldn't have given a damn about it. Wanting someone so desperately that you are willing to let her loved ones die a horrible death, because you only see them as an inconvenience, is just... sick. Then, after all of that, knowing he was the main reason Harry was an orphan, instead of trying his best to make up for it, he proceeded to bully him as much as he was able to, abusing his power as a teacher at every given occasion and trying his best to make his life miserable, out of sheer envy and spite for his father, as if he needed even more payback then causing his murder (and for everyone who didn't read the books, it's insane how much more he bullied him in the books compared to the movies, to the point that your blood literally boils while reading). So, no, for me that's not a hero. A great character? Yes. A brave one? Absolutely. But not a hero. Dumbledore made mistakes (a lot of them), so self aware of the immense power he had and so arrogant about it that he was actually turning bad, but indirectly causing his sister's death with Grindelwald made him realize his mistakes, that he wasn't fit for power, and chose to step down, devoting his whole life to the improvement of others, and ultimately gave his life for it. That's a hero.

@@stespin I agree with everything, I just don't like how everyone takes responsibility away from the dumbledore do you realize that the dumbledore knew that one of his teachers bullied the kids and did absolutely nothing right? he is as guilty of the bullying as snape after all he had power to make snape stop but he never did anything. What leads to the discussion was it all snape or was it also the plan to work out after all many of the students were children of death eaters and voldemort was going to come back imagine how voldemort would be if snape treated herry well? would voldemort trust in it? of course it's not an excuse it's just a discussion.and about hero i believe it depends on your definition of hero if u believe a hero is one who is kind and nice yes snape is not a hero,for me a hero is one who puts the news needs of many in front of his own and well snape did that, he was a spy for 20 years, he never loved anyone, he became a teacher something he hated and in the end he died fighting voldemort, for me everyone who died in war are heroes, in real life many war heroes were not exemplary people but are still treated as heroes because they sacrificed themselves for the greater good, so snape would be a realistic hero not a comic book hero.and sorry, maybe it's a translation where did you read that dumbledore was about to kill snape? at no point is an idea given that dumbledore would kill snape, and about that same scene, when snape says that he asked voldemort to spare only lilian dumbledore looks at him in disgust and snape cringes in embarrassment and then begs dumbledore to protect everyone.and finally this part of snape's guilt is something I always like to discuss, if snape hadn't told what guarantees that voldemort wouldn't find out otherwise? and if he didn't find out how the prophecy was going to come true after all the prophecy says the lord Darkness will mark him as his equal and for Voldemort to do that before he has to know about the prophecy, if snape hadn't begged for lilian voldemort wouldn't have given her the chance to live and what stopped harry's protection was lilian having had the choice to stay alive and choose to die, no snape begging voldemort doesn't give the choice no choice protection doesn't exist without protection harry dies with harry dead voldemort wins the war so it's interesting snape is to blame for harry's parents dying but no snape and without the death of harry's parents voldemort wins which results in the death of harry's parents even so, it's a difficult discussion, because snape is responsible for the death of harry's parents (one of them after all if rabicho hadn't told potters they would be alive , so for me it's much more the fault of Wormtail's betrayal than anything else, but Snape still has his share of blame) but at the same time that he is responsible for the death of harry's parents, harry only survives voldemort because of him also after all if he had not told the prophecy, the prophecy would not have come true and harry would have no protection, so if you pay attention everything in harry potter starts with snape and runs because of snape, the biggest culprit for the downfall of voldemort both times it was snape himself, without snape there was no way to beat voldemort

Dumbledore opened his eyes. Snape looked horrified. "You have kept him alive so that he can die at the right moment?" "Don't be shocked severus, how many men and women have you watched die?" "Lately, only those whom I could not save," said snape. He stood up. "You have used me." "Meaning?" "I have spied for you and lied for you, put myself in mortal danger for you. Everything was supposed to be to keep Lily Potter's son safe. Now you tell me you have been raising him like a pig for slaughter...." "But this is touching severus," said Dumbledore seriously. "Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?" "For him?" Shouted snape. "Expecto Patronum!" From the tip of his wand burst the silver doe: She landed on the office floor, bounded once across the office, and soared out of the window. Dumbledore watched her fly away, and as her silvery glow faded he turned back to snape, and his eyes were full of tears. "After all this time?" "Always," said snape.

In my head his last words to Harry are "I wished you were my son".

that would be heartwarming@@julioverne579

And the third brother gave his cloak to his son and he met death, like an old friend. His son, gave the cloak to his son when he got old. The cloak was handed down from father to son, generation after generation until it reached the hand of James potter. When James died, Dumbledore had the cloak. He decided to return it to its true owner, Harry.

woah

The books are such sht. Stop reading into it

​@@mss11235u serious?!

@@mss11235 I don't agree. Harry potter series is a masterpiece.

Bro wrote an IELTS essay 😅

It’s sweet but it doesn’t affect me cause it’s not In the books - harry sneaks off on his own using the cloak cause he didn’t want that goodbye, instead he runs into and says bye to only Neville and tells him to kill nagini if he gets the chance . I like that version better

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I wasn’t 😭

no joke, i watched the whole series at least 40 times and im still not ready

@@stefsolari i doubt you write me the truth is the books, not the movies. James was spoiled rotten by his family. Like the Dursleys do Dudley. So James grew up spoiled and popular because he was really good at magic. He became cocky, and that. But in the books Sirius tells Harry, James grew out of it once he and Sirius got head deflated. Their egos slowed. But Snape wasnt innocent either. He and James hated each other same as Draco and Harry how odd 2 different eras clash? But in this case Harry grew up in a terrible life, not spoiled like Dudley thus breaking the chain. He learned from Dudley who in the books made amends with Harry said he is sorry and endup Dudley and his kids had Christmas with Harry and his kids. But James secretly loved Lily. But he was too cocky. He knew she liked Snape. But when SNape became a Slytherin and James Gryiffindor Snape got into the dark arts. Which irrated Lily. When Snape was bullied he called her a filithy mudblood just like Draco did Hermione. Again how each clash two different time periods? That ended their friendship. Hurt broken Snape who was already showing signs of Dark arts and Voldermort, choosed Voldermort he watched many die. But when Lily was in danger. Snape didnt care at all for Harry or James well being. He wanted them dead . Until Dumbledore said Harry has her eyes. Then Snape changed his tone said save them all. Then, when he saw LIly dead. His heart broke the only female he loved that he ruined his chance laid dead. But instead of change himself he punished Neville for it could of been Neville with the burden so he targeted Neville and that ruined his life. The difference was i heard that James was gonna make amends with Snape because of Lily. They each had jinxed each other it wasnt just one side that is 1 persons memory. Takes 2 to tango. Snape was always a death eater but he loved Lily. IT was only then he did all he did because for her. Not really Harry. For her. So Snape like JK said isnt really a full Hero. He did it for Lily . No one else .

Ron low key protected Hermoine from the start, and she fell in love with him for it. Yes, in the books Ron is a much more stronger character. Sad to have seen him made into a buffoon.

Mm, that makes sense I remember throughout the movies, they often referred to Lily's exceptional kindness, and how it seemed it was a trait Harry had inherited I suspected, after seeing scenes of Snape's memories of James, that there was more to the story, and that if he did fall in love with Lily, and vice-versa, that James must have become a better person by the end of it aaaa maybe I really will read the books sooner or later There's just so much existing Wizarding World/Harry Potter history that I need to know

What Snape said to Lily (filthy mudblood), was not a deciding factor in who she chose as a partner, it was then that she chose to end her friendship to Snape. Lily had already chosen James to be her partner at that point. After that, Snape could only see her from afar.

@@Quvan What? I guess your 1st two sentences have zero time reference... The moment Snape called her mudblood, she chose to end the friendship. The next school year James and Lily were made prefect. Its the the time they came close. For Lily James decided to stop bullying people and then she chose James as her partner. Snape was not even consideration when she chose James. She liked Snape in the intial 3-4 years.

And the initials spell ASP.

because ron wouldnt have been able to let him go

It'd be the same thing for most of us younger guys id say, i wouldn't hug my best friend goodbye, hed just understand what has to be done, as im sure ron did, hugging only makes the sacrifice harder to do. If you never say goodbye, you're never really gone

If you noticed the eye contact between Harry and Ron while Harry was hugging Hermione, I think that was his way of saying goodbye. Their friendship isnt like that, they don't really do hugs. They're able to communicate through eye contact though. I think Ron was also just in shock and wouldn't be able to let him go if they did hug anyway.

He chose the half blood baby just like him.

Yes but in the books its said that Snape was awfull too, I think they were really inmature

Only took them 8 movies to realize Ron’s actually more than comedic relief or a moody sidekick. They needed to make him extra helpful in this one after the slander they pulled on him in DH1 lol

Agreed

He didn’t break it or throw it off the bridge in the book. He used it to repair his wand & put it back with Dumbledore in his grave.

@@learobinson4450 ah seems I need to read again lol, thanks for the clarification

Mm... I see

It's disappointing that the movie did not explain any of this to the audience. A lot of people who haven't read the books, think that it was because of the resurrection stone that harry was able to return. They do not understand that the moral of three brothers tale, is that any attempt to conquer death, is a foolish act and it just leads you to your own death. The stone, was unable to actually bring back the dead; that is why the second brother took his own life so that he can be with the girl he once loved. Dumbledore gave the stone to harry and made sure harry could only have it if he knew that he had to die. Dumbledore knew that the stone would cause you to commit suicide, that's exactly how he himself got cursed in the first place; and that is why he gave the stone to harry. The stone made it easier for harry to surrender to voldemort and not even defend himself against the killing curse.

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Agreed