Dosing cup isn't the same thing, sadly. But i appreciate the joining of the discussion!

Please don't stop doing espresso videos. They do inspire. I'm currently experimenting with paper filters on the bottom and getting nice shot. Thanks.

This is the best recourse I've seen so far!! Thank you for all your hard work, I loved it!! ❤

I do a dance around the dosing cup first and then shake it with an empty flushing basket on top. Works always!

My understanding is that Lance's comparison was not about shaking vs WDT, but specifically Weber's blind shaker vs WDT. That specific device not only breaks clumps through shaking, but also distributes the grounds more or less evenly into the portafilter. Not quite the same as using just a simple dosing cup.

You are the only coffee KZfaqr I trust. Thank you for running these tests!

Great video on using a dosing cup for tumbling the grounds. I found the same experience when using my dosing cup. I ended grinding into my smallest steaming pitcher where I was much more comfortable tumbling the grounds. I've used the MHW-3Bomber for the last year and use a portafilter funnel when dosing from the tumbler to mitigate the channel around the perimeter of the basket. I do end up using my WDT to level off the top of the grounds because I get the same results as you, with the inordinate mounding of the grounds. I've now started to see how my extracted flavors compare to when grinding directly into the portafilter to see if I notice a difference.

I used dosing cup to shake and only used wdt for the top 1mm of the bed to umclump. Tastes good.

I have tried using a blind shaker, dosing cup, and WDT interchangeably for about 50 shots so far in my much less scientific testing. I have found little difference between blind shaker and dosing cup (if you shake it for longer). The nice thing about shaking is that you can easily tell if there's clumping and just shake some more if there is. You're right in that there's an uneven mound of coffee after you remove the dosing cup, but the total amount by weight isn't that much. I used to carefully WDT the top of the mound to make it nice and even. Now I just roughly even it out with a few taps and the bottom of my tamp, then tamp like normal. The result was pretty much indistinguisable from my blind shaker. I still use the blind shaker though because I like the ringing sound it makes 😀. As for WDT, I quickly found it fussier and less consistent than either shaking methods. I only pulled around 10 shots using that method and dropped it because I wasn't as happy for various reasons.

H. was clearly endorsing that specific bell blind cup, an old trick from influencers

Try shaking in the cup (maybe a little longer), plus a little surface WDT, I doubt a little leveling will undo anything that the shaking might have done.

What I do is tap aggressively while the dosing cup is on and only take off when flat. Tap on table then tamp. Compared to surface WDT, it gets me less channeling and squirting.

Thx! a good example of de-mystifying some "yt star gen erased hypes"... additionally: all that mixing, stirring etc. preparation stuff expose the sensitive coffee powder much too much to the aggressive oxygen, even for several seconds. Thats only : stupid... especially because it also takes so much more time

i think that because you not use a blind shaker i use this process too since i will recieve my blind shaker mw3 bomber for 54mm ( the only model as far as i know for 54mm ) but with you video i think i will return to wdt

Hey there, I do think that the kind of cup you use makes the difference. Lance used a blind shaker from WW (But any other similar build shaker would do the trick according to him). With the different built and the inner component I do think it will behave different compared to your dosing cup... Maybe you get one of the cheap blind shakers and retry your analysis? I Would be curious about the results...!

Lance also said that he's held workshops about how to horizontal - tap...

Why not pop a lid on the PF after grinding into it and shaking it?

I grind into glass and give the grinds a good destat /bang the life out of em against the side of the sink(notice the chaff being dispersed) until the grinds no longer stick via static to my jar then into the portafilter No rdt/wdt,using a niche zero

Dont you think that using a high extraction coffee might make it harder to see a statistical difference? I mean if it extract high no matter what you tried, don't you think it might also extract high even on an uneven Puck?

You will never be able to shake the entire portafilter with the dosing cup like you shake just the dosing cup with a lit.

I have my work flow down pat and will insult and troll anyone who doesn't agree with me.. ;) As soon as Weber gets those shaking cups back in stock, I am in! :)

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That's what is happening when people have too much free time on their hands. For years, preceding this sale pitches with "distribution" etc I am using fork. Forking fork. Try it, it is free and it is always available, use the smaller one from your kitchen drawer and be happy to not spend money on useless tools lying around.

it's a cheap grinder it made for drip coffee its easy to use and buy EK43 is a better for Espresso coffees wheelchair larry

0:56: “not insignificant amount of technique…” ROFL! First off, those grinds sitting in that cup while you chat are aging. They are quickly outgassing, and therefore losing some of what generates impact in the cup. So I hope they were a prop, and were discarded and you started fresh. As for shaking a cup, this is not a skill that takes months to develop. Just shake it for a few seconds and then release the grinds into the portafilter basket. Now then. Everybody follow Lance! SMH