Considering how terrible MMOs were back then I'm not surprised.

Which is worse to install ffxi or ffxiv?

Playonline installation - A raid boss to surpass Absolute Virtue.

@@AlTheiuMaster Someone salty they never had enough kraken clubs in their ls

​@@AlTheiuMasterthe music is dope tho

totally agree. I would easily pay up to $4 more for a sub if it included both.

Played the trial recently, first time I have touched 11, its been brilliant so far really enjoy it. Happy to pay the box price, however not too fussed about continuing if I have to pay two subs, and if I prioritise, my 14 sub will always come first. I would even consider it if it was an 'add on' to the 14 sub for a bit more...

​@@BenjaminAntonyJames Yeah, fair. Sadly not everyone can afford two or more subs to various things. Yeah, I do think you should pay for the games themselves, I mean... it'd be financial suicide otherwise XD

But that wouldn't make sense business-wise.

Oh true that would be awesome. Wow does FF should too.

This final boss still has a banger theme song at least.

Why do you have to start by beating the final boss? looking to get into this game soonish

@@devin6968 The final boss is installing the game.

They really never learn do they?

I always loved the intro vid with the blackmages casting meteor. Got me tearing up everytime.

it gives me that vibe that some of the .hack games give when you go back to the "desktop" and i love it. i kinda wish it took off better than it did as maybe some of the changes would have made it less of an issue than it was and is.

Playonline is the reason I quit playing this back in 06. It was such a trashy system, then Wow came around making life wonderful again.

@@raventhorX Oh yeah .Hack's operating system menus feel very similar; a futurist all-in-one online network seemed to be a popular idea in Japan at the time. Steam today basically fulfills the exact same function as an online game launcher with chatrooms, profiles, and private messaging so it's possible, but the level of presentation and v i b e just isn't as good imo. So I do think it's unfortunate Square really didn't do much with playonline despite obviously having larger plans for it. Plus people still ask for and make "how to buy" guides for XIV, so what SE ended up replacing POL with still has it's own jank lol

I loved the email address and communicating with my friends offgame even via the built in chat.

Ff11 was much much slower paced due to how automated combat was with mostly auto attacks and pushing 1 ability button every 1 to 5 minutes, but that was a strength for socializing, you had lots of time to talk while waiting for swings or cast time. I personally can’t go back to 11 though… it was another time and age for me, and it won’t be the same experience without the community I had.

@@Varizen87 same it was fun and got a lot of the main factors a mmo should be right including a great community aspect to it's design and ability to go about attempting things in countless creative ways you could think up instead of being cookie cutter like the dumpster fire ff14 is. Problem is it's far too dated and too much of a grind to start all over again with and community and other aspects I'm sure aren't there anymore. I'm sure as hell not spending a month 10 hours a day leveling fishing to 100 and getting ebisu or grinding out all the quests and so on. I felt like I beat the game when I earned enough money to buy a kraken club then sold my account after having fun doing all the abysea stuff, voidwatch clearly showed the game was end of the line and dead.

agreed! as a main BRD, there was a nice pacing of typing you could do to chat while playing the songs :)@@Varizen87

It's a huge learning curve for sure. But once you learn how to make your macros it becomes so much easier.

Eh it was a few years ago but I don't remember it being that much of a hassle. Besides, it's still another 14 days free.

@@EdisArchive I had a friend in game that I could barely interact with because of the free trial restrictions. That plus really enjoying myself made me decide to purchase the game and upgrade while still in the free trial period. There was odd wording when I was trying to upgrade and I wound up making an entirely new service account. Luckily I was only like lvl 20 so I just restarted.

Not worth the cost to separate it from Play Online. They are so baked together. Also not worth combining the sub with XIV unless the cost reduction for going Cloud Servers makes financial sense.

Hard to do so since the entire infrastructure is made for the Playstation 2 by default

@@Mrhappy1227 yeah that is true. Ill always remember downloading the game overnight and praying i dont lose connection even with auto kick off lol

​@@DanmakuFriedChickendude! I had the same experience LOL 😂

Never change a runing system...

Outside of the odd jank that came with age, its a pretty straight forward process. The windowed mode and direct play things are really the big kickers that people end up not knowing about without research. Auto-disconnect is also a bit of a cursed thing to leave on by default.

In fact Pandemonium was a FF11 server lol

@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep lol

Just remember to use barwater and face north when crafting with a water crystal.

omg! hahaha yes I miss this game@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep

The game should be free to play at this point. Game is dead it's all played with bots in your party it may as well be offline. I just wish we would have had a ffxi world type mmo that followed not the trash ff14 ended up being. The community and world map aspect where everything wasn't instanced and you could solo and duo and go about accomplishing things in countless ways was what made the game really fun. FF14 basically polished everything superficial while forgetting what makes a mmo at it's core great. And the most garbage thing about ff14 is it was made just late enough that it's going to be prolonged for a long time before the next mmo comes out and all the gen z cosmetic buyers means SE made too much money from this garbage money machine to drop the style FF14 was made it. We may never see another ff mmo like 11 again. FF14 is basically a chat room to show off cosmetics you bought and play duty finder instanced cookie cutter junk that is instant gratification and hands everything to you with no community aspect or self agency in accomplishing anything. Fun to craft but everything crafted is made useless because they are so scared of gil being sold and gil itself basically useless.

@Waterspoutsofthedeep Who said anything about 14?

@@ElienKerdan Don't know who SE is?

Return to Vana'diel should be in December again if pattern follows

Tbf its worse now cause new technology doesn't play nice

100% if I opened XIV launcher on my PS5 one day and it had a button that said "Try FFXI" I would click it in a heartbeat.

They'd be adding PlayOInline back in as well given the two are essentially completely intertwined. Not worth the cost to try and separate the two.

Seems they delayed it to December, despite the anniversary being November

Should be able to upgrade it, but from what I hear its a pain

I can't upgrade or "transfer" as they say, the option is greyed out. I've read that they delete free trial accounts after 90 days of inactivity, that must be why. But I still managed to log into my previous POL account so it still exists... I'm lost, lol.

There are Wiki's dedicated to showing where to go for quests. Best look up online guides and wiki sites for XI. The game was designed not show you where to go. It would takes hours to explain it for all the quests via video.

Very odd, never seen that before. Normally only happens if you're tabbed out. Administrator should resolve that.

​@Mrhappy1227 thanks for the reply. Also which server would you recommend?

There are people who have updated the graphics with graphics packs lol

It will be in the announcement video

update. got it working after 6 hours of trying and downloading. Could have spent another 6 setting up a controller to make the game feel at least somewhat decent to play. Played it for about 45 minutes. It just has such a bad first impression and onboarding process. nowhere does it say the dash key is to open the menu. why doesnt M open the map. Why is the camera forced to be inverted. All these things i could get past after maybe 40 hours or whatever amount of time people say it takes to get good. Id rather watch a lore video to get all the story i need. 4/10, im sure it has a niche fanbase, but so does Ellen DeGeneres.

Would have loved if FF14 at least a successor to it in any meaningful way. Was beyond disappointed when I got to play what they call a summoner... still salty about that.

No it didn't, it released in May 2002 on the Playstation 2 .

@@Mrhappy1227 I'm only talking about the NA release I know I was playing it on PC before all of the NA ps2 ppl