The Freljord shamans can sometime shapeshift into different animals. There was a story where even Udyr's face and body was changing as he used the animal spirits' power.

Riots lore is so vast that even trying to slim down the classes to be more generalized won't really do it justice. With all of the world building and different characters and not to mention the classes that are already WITHIN League just the game itself it's going to he hard to appeal to certain players who wish they could do the stuff their favorite champion does in game while also adapting it to a MMO experience. I believe it's confirmed that the mmo will have the holy Trinity so as for everything else along with special classes i can't wait to see what they'll have in store.

I think the classes would be easily implemented if you restric the class spec to a specific region, so if you are from demacia AND you are a human, you can select warrior and be a paladin or something, while on the other hand if you are noxian and human, you can be a warrior but you would be more of a berserker or whatever. That way you can have a lot of classes and be lore friendly.

honestly soda is right. If this mmo fails and can't revitalize the mmo genre, the mmo dream is over. I don't see any other company every being able to make not exactly the next big mmo, but like a 8-9/10 mmo in terms of quality and content. Ashes of creation does exist, but as much as I hate to say it, I think it'll just be a flash in the pan and end up being niche after it comes out. Just gotta pray in the 4-5 years when this game comes out, it actually revitalizes the genre or else its over for us.

I feel like the vastaya race will either A. not even be added as a playable race with the reasoning that lore-wise they are dwindling or B. we can play as a half vastayan where they mostly look human with just animal ears and tails, this would make it easier for adding armour to thier models. If vastaya is a playable race I would like to see the "origin" selection dictate what animal type you could be while giving 2 maybe even 3 animal options depending on origin.

It does seem like character creation will just be the character itself rather than class, and you'll just be 'Adventurer', and then you'll have to combine class quests from different zones - battlemage needs warrior and mage questlines from specific zones, hemomancer: mage and then noxus questline, paladin: warrior then demacia questline, etc. etc.

Playing an anti-mage would be really cool. Imagine tanking every big spells and its barely doing damages to you

This has so many races cool places and stuff i really believe it will be goat mmo so easily if done atleast fine

The devs kinda confirmed that they want us to be any class at any regions. Im just guessing the traits we start of for each class would be different depending on the region then we unlock more traits per region we explore with like a trainer i suppose.

I'm actually interested in Demacia golem construcks class or something and maybe you can design them whatever you want them to look like... That would be cool 🔥

there ARE really amazing shapeshifting characters in league currently so it'd be a pretty big miss to not allow that... elise, nidalee, gnar, udyr to a degree, shyvanna, plus neeko can turn into other people as can viego in the game.

perhaps each class could come with a subclass like Shaman-fighter Fighter-shaman Mage-warrior ect.

I think it would be cool if the region's classes are completely individualized. For example, if you play a warrior in Demacia your abilities and armor are completely different from a warrior in Noxus or Shurima. this would mean WAY more individuality and choices.... BUT WAYYYY more work for the dev team. There are 12 unique classes in WoW this would mean LoL's MMO would have like 30+.. you can't be a hemo-mancer from Demacia you can't be a frost ranger(hunter class) if you choose Shurima.. can't be a shadow Ninja(Assasin) unless you start in Ionia. This would mean you could be a Yordle void mage from Zaune and it would be pretty rare to run into another player with your chosen combination of traits. and when fighting a mage from another region you would have very different abilities.

To be honest, I kind of hope Riot finds something different from the traditional idea of "you're a paladin, you're a rogue" and perhaps leans and expands the concept of final fantasy, where you're a character that can pretty much pick up any kind of school - mixing that with origin and heritage...you're just your own unique thing in the great world of runeterra.

If Ursine will be a playable race/class, Soda would definitely like to play as one.

Riot has an opportunity to save the genre if they just go for it. They just need to be ambitious. Do stuff that’s gonna take a long time to produce. If they take a lot of care to capture all of the crevices of the League world, they can get it right and make a 7.5/10 or higher game. The magic of the league lore is that it is a masterclass in world building. The world feels giant and expansive and like a real world. Riot has to break almost every mmo convention to capture that.

As Necrit has said, the story is there. The only thing Riot needs to do is to make a good MMO game out of it and create a good social world. I'm only worried about the whether the social aspect is implemented well, mainly because it's not exactly implemented well for LoL and Valorant.

I mean the closest thing to a shapeshifter class is the shaman (since it's based on Udyr). Which is the only class I'm interested in playing tbh

Soda you would like playing Monk in lineage 2. The class has a particular mechanic where you can choose different "totem" buffs that alter your playstyle on the fly(fast and accurate, even more fast movement speed but less attack for disengage, slow but powerful atk, increased crits and accuracy, incredible attack speed etc.). Its very fun and you need to know when to use which totem because they all have cooldowns, some longer than others.

I think the best way to do it about classes, is to introduce very basic starting classes, similar to FF14, and make it so Warriors can turn into Berserk/Blademasters etc. And they also can do it so garen, darius yasuo are quest givers/trainers.

I honestly think that riot will have the all the different classes separate and maybe do it like lost ark where they can release new classes as updates because riot loves to introduce new things to their game to keep it fresh, like champions in league and agents and maps in valorant. They have so many classes to choose from that i think it would be a missed opportunity to just release all of them under 4 or 5 different classes.

Makes a good point talking about the armor changes with each race but its also something they for sure talk about before developing such an indepth game as an mmo

Expansion of the classes can definitely take notes from Maplestory in terms of being able to change throughout your progression

In league of legends (and most mobas) there's usually 6 classes. There's tanks, fighters(warriors), assassin's, mages, marksmen, and support. But you can cross classes with each other. Like seena is a support marksmen, Evelyn is a mage assassin. And someone like braum is a tank support. Illaoi is something like a warlock fighter, she is incredibly strong at fighting but she also calls upon the power of her God to amplify her strength

11:05 Skyrim Modding Dude here: You can give armor sliders that make it so the armor can be automatically fitted to most body types. This means that 90% of the process can be automated and only the last few details need to be adjusted by hand.

12:15 , I think there is a easy work around for the boots problem. In league Cassiopeia has a passive that gets rid of boots and gives passive movement speed, maybe a similar method could be used.

In league lore shapeshifting is not class-related, but instead race related. So (if they make em separate) you just have to pick a correct vastaya race

They could potentially do classes like lost ark where you get base classes with subclasses for like warriors you get blade master or beserker etc etc

Suprised no one is bringing up the job system in FFXIV. They could make it so you pick a base class like Warrior and then you can go to the different regions and learn the different specialization and you can swap between them.

Speaking in terms of aesthetics and fantasy, it's really hard to create an environment where factions are distinct yet able to sustain an organic and emergent balance between them without _some_ form of dev intervention. If you make them too different then one always risks being "cooler" than the others and with broader appeal, so more people will pick it. If you make them too similar then people will wonder what the point is, and won't feel so attached to their faction. Honestly the best balance I can say that I've seen in this regard is Foxhole. There are just enough cosmetic differences to give them their own identity, few enough tangible differences to keep gameplay even, and the faction loyalty is _off the charts._

I wanna play demacian poppy with paladin skills and blue/silver spells

The #1 race in Riots mmo: Sexy ladies in skimpy outfits.

17:28 "No dwarves or elves here. Runeterra is simply trying to be unique in every way." **Proccess to have primarily Humans and Furries everywhere.** Yeah I've never seen that in an MMO before. ROFLMAO

They can make the class system like Path of exile. Where if you take warrior you can spec their skill tree into which region warrior you want

I think they could go the way of DCUO, and do a "mentorship" system, with the champions matching the specific factions people are from, with that people could hybridize builds similar to champions they like with the limitation of Origin Faction/Race, and you have SO MANY champions to add in future patches as Mentors

I wonder if there’s a tool to make amours fit multiple models automatically to give developers a way to shorten development time and make minor tweaks to gear per race type. Hopefully with UE5 there can be a tool that performs this task.

The sentinels of ligth is more o guild or sub class than a class... Because inside their ranks they have rogues, figther, hunters, duelist, clerics, etc i imagine u can be a warrior per example and then u became a sentinel and that give u new anti- undead skills

building into talent trees to like construct your own class would be badass. hard to balance, but badass

They could do class, race and affiliation for each region. The affiliation of country changes your subclass

It would be more interesting that instead of classes there is a set of talents you can choose by combining race + starting region.

they could do guild wars 2 esque custom story, so a warrior can be a mageseeker or a warrior class can be an enforcer

Kind of funny the lore of Yi talks about AP Yi getting erased :(

The darkin situation could definitely be a Illidan situation where we can have mini darkins or people corrupted by darkin blood

I want to be able to pick one of the typical classes as the base, then I want to be able to go in any direction from there. It would be awesome to be able to pick mage as the base, for example, then spec the skill tree in the direction of warrior or assassin. Hopefully this would allow you to play as a magic swordsman or a ranger/assassin character that is like an assassin but puts an emphasis on ranged attacks. This idea would also allow a class similar to WOW's hunter, where you would be as your base and spec towards summoner. I'm sure there are a ton of other awesome combinations you could pull off. I know this would be a huge task to balance, but I think it would be much more fun to play over the traditional classes and skill trees.

seems like the best thing Riot can get inspiration from is Guild Wars 2. the weapons that you wield will influence what skills you have. with that you can have a shitload of different classes without having trouble with player models too much. Just have some generic sample from each region in terms of skins , the 5-6 general classes and the weapons you wield will unlock certain skills for that class. For example a warrior wielding a Ionian sword will have blademaster skills, a warrior with a Demancian sword will have skills from that warriors of demancia, etc. . A tank class will get different skills depending of what region armour you wear and so on. the skillls tied to the item specific to the class. shield and armour is specific to tanks so different shields and armour from different areas in the game will have different skills( demanican, ionian, surima, etc). That i think is best way to make everyone able to play and RPG their favorite class and fight style

on the subject of making sure all armor fits all the races and variants, i have this weird feeling Riot's mmo will have preset clothing, the look will just change if its level 10 gear or if its level 50 gear.

Path of Exile has one of my favorite class systems, you can create any variation of class you want, and easily allows for hybrids of all sorts, it would be amazing for a game like League lore wise, and then make region pride an armor thing empowering your abilities and you could even have region specific skill gems like PoE does. Also PoE has kind of shapeshifting. Here is how you do it: You become a Chieftain and use totem magic. It is close enough.

I hope they make either a dragon class or a cool archer class.

4:38 lmao won't forget first time i seen a horde spamming shit I could read thinking wtf am I tripping

I leveled a horde character and transferred one to an alliance dominated server. It's amazing how bad people get at pvp when it's so.

if anyone remembers that game Rift, i think that would be a great system for classes in this game.

i saw necrit posting the video -> waited for soda to react to it to finally watch it :)

I'm gonna play a yordle and nobody can stop me.

Literally just talked about it to a friend today, that I am waiting for a proper pve moba-like game

at this point training an ai to customize a default template armorset to fit whatever race and body shape would be worth a lot

Soda, if the devs. start locking factions in WoW they could periodically re-open it with a select amount of slots on the faction. So if Horde goes too ham and gets too many players, they faction lock it until Alliance catches up in population, then open the Horde back up for a select amount of character slots while keeping players that already have Horde locked, allowing people that want to play with their friends a chance to create a new character for the faction. This way you don't have someone with 10 characters on the Horde and you have to faction lock it where those characters could be new players for the faction.

i think it would be cooler if you could create your own class via something like a big skilltree.

Instead of areas being race locked, it'd be cool if it was class locked instead. Where the place you choose to go to is based on the class you decide to play. Learn to be a blood mage here, or a shaman here. I like the idea of being able to pick up different specs, changing between classes or maybe creating hybrid classes like becoming a void blade master. Who knows, they have a lot to play with that's for sure.

Shape shifter would be hybrid classes like elise - nidalee

never played FF and only played wow but i feel the FF class route would be better, have generic classes but then tons of sub paths which are tied to the various zones

If I had to take a stab at it using LoL's current and legacy classes and classes in TFT, I'd say somewhere around five base classes, being Fighter, Tank, Mage, Marksman, and Assassin. There are very few examples of what would typically be a Shaman or Druid like in other high fantasy series, but I'd say Dragonmancer and Shapeshifter would fit, but I don't if they'd be their own class, possibly expansion classes, or if they'd be lumped into Support or Specialist or something else entirely. Fighter would divide into Bruiser, the typical berserker class, Challenger, a more tactical warrior like Arms spec in WoW, and Brawler, with fistfighters, scrappers, and monks. Tank would split into Guardian, the typical sword and board warrior, and Warden, magical tanks like Taric and possibly the tie-in for the standard fantasy paladin. Mage would be Arcanists, the basic spell-slinging mage, Enchanter, a more buff oriented, possibly non staff- or wand-wielding mage, and Mystic, the rest of the bunch that don't fit in but use magic, like warlocks or priests. Marksman would be a Bard who uses a bow and standard archer type and Cannoneers, who use guns and technology, so the engineers, snipers, and pirates. Only one I can really think of for Assassin would be Smirmisher, the more survival type rogue, but Striker exists in TFT and could be the ninja and more assassin-y rogues.

on the darkin and ascended topic: riot could (in theory) say that the darkin can designate some people and give them darkin-like powers (blood magic). They wouldnt be as strong as a true darkin but still have the same aesthetic and powers. Theoretically possible, riot's choice if they want to make them playable

a lot of the art comes from legends of runeterra, the card game

They have to add engineers that would be soo cool

mage and weapon wielding should be the only class, skills just varies depending on which region. just my opinion

Garen is the only demacian mage and I won’t have it any other way.

The Freljordian shamans should be the shapeshifters. But I don't think it'll be like wow where you can just turn into a straight up normal ass cat and call it a day. What it should be like is that you get to choose what forms to specialize in, so if you choose to be a generalist you become like Udyr, only barely changing his form but has many forms to change to, but if you hyper focus on one form you should be twisted into a beast, like Volibears followers who turn into various twisted bears and other beasts, which can include wolves and mountain lions or some shit. Doesn't sound possible to balance unless they have a path of exile style system for classes. If it is more like old school WoW then generalizing in all the class trees instead of specializing in one just sounds straight up bad and boring since you only have access to things specialists already have from a low level. I feel like they should just ignore classic MMO class ideas and instead just give every playable race their own giant trees to specialize your character, like path of exile only that you don't choose a starting class, you choose a region and a race which will inform everything about your class options, completely unique trees for every region with variations within it based on your chosen race. So if you choose Ionia (fantasy asia) as your region you'll get a unique ionian talent tree that lets you specialize in spirit magic or shadow ninja technique or blade mastery and so on, but if you then choose to be a vastaya animal person then some things change. Maybe a type of warrior part of the talent tree changes into a shapeshifter tree because you choose to play a lizard guy. It is of course alot of work but I think thats the best way to fit so many class fantasies into the game. it's also easy to add on to, like if they add a Void corrupted racial option then they need only tweak parts of the region talent tree to fit everything that comes with being void corrupted. So the hunter pet class no longer can tame animals but he can instead summon a void creature as his pet, and he'll focus more on magical abilities rather than bows. Stuff like that all accross the board. Yes it is very exclusive, you can't play your freljordian volibear worshipping shaman while looking like a shuriman, and you can't play your shuriman sand wizard while being an ionian, but thats how it should be. Thats how actual RPGs work. Nothing being exclusive according to the rules of the world just makes it feel like a marketing ploy meant to try and appeal to as many people as possible, which just makes it appeal to nobody. We're in the current day and age when Riot games releases nothing but brown female champions with various accents so I doubt that there will be any exclusivity to any region of the game, but one can hope it will actually feel like a modern version of Swords and Sorcery.

People should not expect too many class/races in the release.

Ionia is a continent. There's multiple races in Ionia, Vastayan, the assassins, the Wuju, while they are Ionians they are their own Racesor at least their "Fighting Style" changes who they serve in their respective continent.

5:24 that king looks exactly like GigaChad

What are those animated scenes of the characters from? A website or some other video game?

10:51 GUSSY

Some private servers have had cross faction play for years now, that's what you get when the decision-makers are actually passionate about what they're developing.

"isnt that fanart" no, no it isnt he uses official canon art only (and has disclaimer when he uses technically non canon art, but its still Riot, for example from Wild rift etc)

I love shapeshifters too. Ooovi-kats or Nidalee's race would so dope if they're included.

League already has Assassin, Fighter, Mage, Marksman, Support, Tank that they could just reuse to categorise classes to keep things simple.

Instead of having specializations, Riot should include a bunch of class options, but only allow them one role to play.

Wouldnt b cool that instead of just specs giving diferent habilities with level required, u collect ur habillities inside ur class by finishing quests all around the world? I mean instead of getting level 40 and go to ur master in ur city in Frejilord to learn X blood magic hability.. Wich make no sense at all... U do a Quest in Noxus for Vladimir and he teach u some Blood related skill for ur class... I think this is much more interesting that way...

Respawning is canon only for Yordles

"He stabbed someone wielding the aspects power so hard the aspect of war died" Holy moly

Shout out to that 1 person in chat incorrectly saying how old every champion was to try to make it weird

Im really expecting them to take the champion approach to classes which is an already established character that u can customize. think maplestory or elsword(im not saying this because this is what i want btw im saying it because its a hell of a lot more realistic than trying to make every class in LoL possible in every race)

I feel like this is still hypothetical

The pictures are from the card games, most of them

this guy has really good ideas about what an RPG is like. I do like how he also acknowledges the MMO mentality.

I wan't a build your own class model. Choose a weapon and use skill points to select what you want for your build.

Concerning the classes... why make it complicated if they could just go for the ALREADY EXISTING TYPES. Fighter, Mage, Controller, Marksman, Slayer, Tank and Specialist. Then these types get subtypes depending on the zones at level 30 or something that changes their skills....

Can't wait for sodapappi to play riots mmo in 2086

Im surprised he didn't mention shifters. You have Elise, Nidalee, Shyvana. You can obviously do much much more other than cat, spider and dragon.

a lot of these pictures are form the card game they made (LOR)

i have not read any of these comments but i believe playing a class like GNAR would be amazing i would die for that class

they have a lot of models done from ruined king

WoW is using old tech, I bet you can make armor auto scale to the skeleton of different races with the right tech.

Riot mmo does need a lot of classes and classes combinations in my opinion

I pray Garen will have a hot spot in Demacia also a worship system sounds freaking amazing RIOT PLS ;) (not only for garen but for other factions too)

10 years Aware

To be fair almost all of WoW content is cross-server now. So when you see 99.6% wins of hord on one server, it just means that in this server are MOSTLY hoard players. Yet on battle grounds and arenas they compete with other server's alliance teams. So if you combine all servers that go in one pool (EU, America, Asia, RU) that'll b like 50/50. But if you want more PvE content with guilds - choose server with most peaple you like. Even LookingForRaid is cross-server now.

I have never played legue but I will play the MMO. I may even play Legue a bit before it releases.

hope this game pops off

Shapeshifter, champs like Nidalee, Elise