Soft clipper vs limiter | When to use each 🤔

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DECAP

2 жыл бұрын

DECAP explains when to use soft clipping vs using a limiter with the KNOCK Plugin in order to clearly showcase the differences between the two production resources.
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@decapmusic
@decapmusic Жыл бұрын
If you're looking for a great Soft Clipper, check out KNOCK Clipper pluginsthatknock.com
@qlyde
@qlyde 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid DECAP, More people need to talk about clipping because it’s a critical part of mixing/mastering! A lot of newer producers think clipping is just a plugin in FL that you put on to distort 808’s or something bad altogether. For anyone interested here a Compression/Limiting vs Soft/Hard Clipping technical explanation: A Compressor/Limiter is taking the signal you give it, and pushing it down (for example -6dB). The reduction is dependent on things like Ratio, Threshold, Knee etc. With the right attack and release settings you can get a lot of punch out of a compressor, or even retain a lot of transient with a limiter. But regardless of how hard you push it, you’ll always be reducing the signal. With a Soft/Hard Clipper you’re like a magician. Take StandardClip for example, you set the clip threshold and then instead of reducing the signal on the transients it just makes it disappear. As if it was never there. As soon as the signal goes above the clip threshold, it chops it off, keeping everything below the threshold while making the peak of the waveform disappear. The difference between soft and hard clipping is what the shape of the waveform looks like when it’s being clipped. 100% hard clipping just cuts the waveform off flat, like the top of a Square wave. And Soft clipping will still keep everything below 0.0dB, but it’ll start rounding it off a little bit before it gets there so the top of the waveform looks a little more like a sine wave. Giving it a rounder and warmer tone. Hope this helps!
@akashboinpally9228
@akashboinpally9228 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude
@pzdipuing
@pzdipuing 2 жыл бұрын
So sir may i asked you which of this between limiter and clipping is a go for the master channel....Which one you used between soft and hard clipper mostly for your production 🙏🙏i know it depends on the music I'm looking but i just wanne hear it from you,you seems legit 🙏🙏thank you....
@Quintopia1
@Quintopia1 Жыл бұрын
great explanation, thank you for this
@billiedoesbeats
@billiedoesbeats 10 ай бұрын
Finally someone makes sense. Thank you.
@jomesias
@jomesias 8 ай бұрын
It was never an either OR situation. Producers tend to use multi band compression going into a clipper, going into a compressor and / or limiter. Depending on the song and the genre, you usually need to do various compressor and / or limiter (loudness) layers. Instead of just maxing the level on the final Loudness Limiter! Also think of the clipper handling the peaks, so you’re limiter doesn’t have to react to those weird peaks throughout the song.
@orenjisoul8578
@orenjisoul8578 2 жыл бұрын
Huge fan of Knock, it’s sooo sick. Although you could easily just open a transient designer, I think it would be so gnarly to have quick transient control for sustain. Punch is giving the clarity and attack to the sounds, but having the ability to quickly adjust the sustain in Knock would be so damn good for tightening up the general decay of the sound. Much love, DECAP; keep up the awesome 🧡🙏🔥
@kdotldotsdot3430
@kdotldotsdot3430 2 жыл бұрын
Bought the plugin and look forward to using it, as someone who was getting ready to explore drum processing as a beginner, I just wanted to say thanks and it looks great & simple.
@idlethoughtsmusic
@idlethoughtsmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, this was really helpful! It was never clear to me why you'd use one over the other (soft clipping vs a limiter), but your examples helped a lot. Thanks for the practical tips!
@kadenlong6280
@kadenlong6280 2 жыл бұрын
bro i was just wondering this and now you drop this gem? thanks
@Shinyshoesz
@Shinyshoesz 2 жыл бұрын
Insanely easy to follow. Thank you brother. I've been producing for a few years now, but I honestly never really thought about Clipping/Limiting until recently that I'm at the stage that certain tracks need mastering. Thank you so much!
@Shinyshoesz
@Shinyshoesz 2 жыл бұрын
oh also I love your samples on Splice. Used some :)
@RYGUYD23
@RYGUYD23 2 жыл бұрын
Truly never knew when to use either until watching this so seriously thank you
@miketkong2
@miketkong2 4 ай бұрын
If you hold alt while increasing the gain in L2 you can hear what the limiter is doing without increasing the loudness. Much better way to hear what’s going on. Also, using Wave Observer to see what’s happening to the waveforms from different plugins is a game changer. I think Wave Observer is free too. I put it on the master and and it helps so much to see transients, levels of things like vocals compared to drums or sub base compared to drum transients, see what compressors are doing, like how much they’re actually compressing in real time and how the wave forms change with different attack, ratio, and release settings. Super helpful IMO and I use it all the time.
@djsyntrix
@djsyntrix 2 жыл бұрын
Best explanation of this, subscribed!
@cpthegenius
@cpthegenius Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining it and making it so simple
@Crossfire2003
@Crossfire2003 Жыл бұрын
I love the intro/outro track! It hits sooo hard! A clipper was used on it, probably.
@LeateqOfficial
@LeateqOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Would be awesome to get a tutorial about multiband compressor
@mattguthrie6807
@mattguthrie6807 7 ай бұрын
great explanation brother!
@marceloribeirosimoes8959
@marceloribeirosimoes8959 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great video! I think that maybe a better way to explain the transient "shaving" between a clipper (hard) and a limiter is that the clipper the body of that transient seems to keep as loud as before, but when limiting, it seems that some kind of "release"" time keeps the body of that peak being pushed down for while so, the overall snap, punch of the hit gets "too lowered" for most cases... Roughly, limiting is about volume shaping and clipping is about crunching with some distortion... I think the soft clipper is the best way for percussive instruments and a limiter can be a better choice for no transients dependent sounds like vocals, synth pads, reverbs... Or, like you've said, limiting the final mix or a bus, it's great. The negative point of this video is that would be way easier to notice the differences using a kick distortion-free... But that's only my point of view...
@bumphaus
@bumphaus 10 ай бұрын
Just subbed DECAP. I'm going to try to apply these tips to my FL Studio setup. Preciate' it.
@MYKHE01
@MYKHE01 Жыл бұрын
that was amazing, thank you brother
@aaronbazil
@aaronbazil Жыл бұрын
Maaaan, can we take a moment to appreciate your drum sequencing....unbelievable grooves that make you wanna snap your neck!
@beatsbyjayess
@beatsbyjayess 2 жыл бұрын
Clipping definitely getting those drums hitting hard. The knock plugin is the one stop shop for your drums btw!
@Yurkinz
@Yurkinz Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a video! :)
@blendmastertv9274
@blendmastertv9274 Жыл бұрын
You explained it the best
@Farhaadi
@Farhaadi 2 жыл бұрын
thanks decap soooo useful
@EqDior
@EqDior 2 жыл бұрын
Super Dope Vid!
@legionhope7692
@legionhope7692 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jameslemode
@jameslemode Жыл бұрын
Everyday you lear something new. Thanks
@RokSivante
@RokSivante 2 жыл бұрын
i've never even really considered clipping for some unknown reason... did a quick search for what other clipping plugins are out there and gotta say: KNOCK is definitely the sexiest of them all. you just sold me on picking this up after all. haha! 😎
@camonthejam
@camonthejam 2 жыл бұрын
I have knock as well, although I've been using Kazrog K-Clip for a while too and its nice.
@_houseplants1768
@_houseplants1768 2 жыл бұрын
Ty!
@DSWL_
@DSWL_ 9 ай бұрын
thanks
@kiddprofit2500
@kiddprofit2500 2 жыл бұрын
Been using KNOCK since i copped it. Definitely cant go back it just adds that extra sauce to the kick, hats, and snare
@danielwetzel7777
@danielwetzel7777 6 ай бұрын
Thanks
@proverbalizer
@proverbalizer 2 жыл бұрын
Obvious difference was the hijats and minor elements got really loud when you went overboard with the limiter, cause the kick was getting suppressed more and more as you turned the gain up. With knock, the kick was getting louder too, so sounded like it was hitting harder but also getting a bit distorted
@stefancompaneet7605
@stefancompaneet7605 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks sensei
@eraserqueen297
@eraserqueen297 4 ай бұрын
You look EXACTLY like Adrian Pimento from Brooklyn 99 bro!
@CaliberLofi
@CaliberLofi 5 ай бұрын
interesting, ive always soft clipped on a drum buss prior to my master limiter, good to know i do at least one thing right
@DerekSmyth
@DerekSmyth 2 жыл бұрын
What would you use on acoustic guitars? strummed and finger picked.
@TacticsUnseen
@TacticsUnseen Жыл бұрын
It basically adds loudness to the transients while still keeping it under 0 unlike a limiter which only squashes it and making it sound flat
@MOONRiiSENN
@MOONRiiSENN 2 жыл бұрын
A yoo thanks for these
@Marrcello
@Marrcello 2 жыл бұрын
🙌🙌🙌
@melorams22
@melorams22 2 жыл бұрын
all of these are various types of compression right? what shape does limiting do to the waveform?
@akeem372
@akeem372 2 жыл бұрын
Can a multiband/filter feature be added to Knock so i could assign the modules for different frequencies?
@BLKSHP
@BLKSHP Жыл бұрын
Would you use like a T-Racks classic clipper on only the drumbus or on the master too?
@Yonsdaspaceghost
@Yonsdaspaceghost 2 жыл бұрын
Knock is an insaley good plugin
@dallas-cole
@dallas-cole 18 күн бұрын
Voxengo OVC-128 FTW. You 10/10 need oversampling when clipping. Doesn't get better than 128x oversampling.
@tillwidmer4100
@tillwidmer4100 2 жыл бұрын
What about putting the knock plugin with just the softclipper on, on the master?
@erikfox8471
@erikfox8471 2 жыл бұрын
..just to ask you....Flatline vs Standard clip? what to choose...? regards
@tabdanger510
@tabdanger510 Ай бұрын
lol man Decap please tell ne where you got those headphones
@campar1043
@campar1043 2 жыл бұрын
saturator vs clipper? saturation rounds off the transients, could it be considered soft clipping?
@lawinter1949
@lawinter1949 2 жыл бұрын
what exactly does the clip knob in Knock do? is it a mix knob or does it drive the gain into the output ceiling with whatever clip mode you have set?
@decapmusic
@decapmusic 2 жыл бұрын
The clip knob drives the gain into the clipper. There is also a dry wet control.
@itze_
@itze_ 5 ай бұрын
Why not include compressor in the comparisson?
@yaboysambeats
@yaboysambeats 11 ай бұрын
What is the difference between Saturation and Clipping? Can a saturator be used for clipping?
@kriss12loverap
@kriss12loverap 7 ай бұрын
Saturator adds frequencies over ur tone. Clip cuts of peaks, and balances out overall tones.
@Ddotsun
@Ddotsun 2 жыл бұрын
How can I be on your production team
@neonsubaru
@neonsubaru 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if he likes to use clipping for drums
@dionprill7492
@dionprill7492 Жыл бұрын
Is it weird i can't hear any difference? I have this with more production technics where i can't hear these subtle changes. Does this come with experience or is my hearing bad?
@dionprill7492
@dionprill7492 Жыл бұрын
Talking about the difference between soft and hard clipping in this video.
@matenorth
@matenorth 8 ай бұрын
Hard clipping sounds more distorted.
@albertlopez2762
@albertlopez2762 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do this in ableton?
@micahpediford
@micahpediford 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Stock plugins glue compressor and gentle limiter
@decapmusic
@decapmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Glue Compressor can do soft clipping - you just can't move between soft and hard clipping like KNOCK. Ableton also has a stock limiter - but isn't as transparent as something like Pro-L 2.
@Anthrazit1994
@Anthrazit1994 2 жыл бұрын
Soft clipping - it works well with the ableton saturator on the soft sine curve
@vsllab2791
@vsllab2791 2 жыл бұрын
knock broke my DAW and I knocked him out from pc!!!
@FredDeMassiveAlambic
@FredDeMassiveAlambic Жыл бұрын
It's crazy that people are still getting this wrong. Pro L2 is a soft clipper followed by a compressor, like 90% of modern digital limiters are. It's stated in the manual : the attack time separates the clipper section from the compressor section, which works with the release time you set. A "limiter" is a high-ratio compressor, like the ones you find on Neves 2254 and 33609. It's not used so much nowadays by bedroom producers (but still are insanely great tools). Pro L2 doesnt work this way as the first section literally transforms transients into saturation, as a digital ceiling (that is what we call a clipper). A limiter also introduces saturation (as a high ratio compressor), but is not as extreme as a clipper : transients can exceed the threshold you set (even if it's 0,1db), and there's a release time for limiting to decrease after his action. A clipper doesn't have a release time : it's only a brickwall effect, a ceiling signal can't exceed. Pro L2's clipper part doesn't have release time : his following compressor section have. That's why you get a more transparent effect : you're telling the clipper when to stop and when to get a smoother compression release. With a long attack time (so no compression release), pro L2 can sound the same as a soft clipper. Thats what different algorithms are for. Pro L2 is a most transparent tool as what you call "clippers" because of its 2 portions. It separates the transient in two parts to get clipping without harshness, and transient ceiling without pumping. There's nothing wrong with the way people use clippers like Knockl and Pro-L2, and it's true you can consider one saturated and the other one transparent. However, this misconception leads to an inadequate understanding of modern limiters, and to an oversight of true limiters (Neves for instance). Theres a reason why mastering engineers crave for an original 2254 compressor/limiter which you often find around >10k $. Does wonders on masters. Knock = soft/hard clipper Pro 2 = half soft/hard clipper, half compressor with tweakable release time Neves = limiters (high ratio compressor with tweable release time)
@bbyponk
@bbyponk Жыл бұрын
thank you bald man
@ACABSTUDIOS
@ACABSTUDIOS Жыл бұрын
I just watched a 10 minute commercial
@jonathanaguilar3148
@jonathanaguilar3148 11 ай бұрын
Going to buy your clipper plug in
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