Thanks! Appreciate your feedback (: I definitely would have wanted something similar when I was deciding on my first role.

I’m really glad you enjoyed it thanks!

Thanks Brian! 😊 glad to hear it was helpful and appreciate that you took the time to check out my website. I loved making that gizmo (:

so you switched to se , why?

Yes I've made up my decision and am currently transitioning to SE from PM. The first reason is that I want to work at home and I believe SE role has more higher opportunities for working remotely. The second reason is that (in my experience) I think PM has wider scope of work compared to SE. I want to be able to work on more specific scope. I also like to build a real thing, not just orchestrating people to build things. The feelings just hit different, more fulfilling.

@@SuryaAdiWiguna yeah but what about salary , pm's have higher than se right

​​@@TheHaribols I heard so, but I don't think we have sophisticated data to support that. It also depends on so many factors. Regardless, working remotely is my top priority. Salary is my second priority. As long as my primary needs are covered and be able to save at least 30% of it, that's enough for me. I don't really care about career ladders.

Oooh interesting take! In my experience, the salaries are pretty similar, but I think it depends on geographical location. What's your take?

Great question! And I'll give a bit of a long answer, so hold tight! 1) My reason for going into CS was pretty much so that I could make the fancy graphic designs I created on photoshop work :D, to make them interactive and actually useful and usable. I also loved solving puzzles, but really... for me, it was just a means to an end to express my ideas and thoughts in an interactive form. I was always more intrigued by people and user experiences and how to improve our lives... so, the reason for my decision to transition into PM is simply because I cared more about the WHAT and WHY we're building things rather than HOW (: 2) To be frank, I got LUCKY! I started off as an iOS engineer and then transitioned into PM at the same company. It took quite a while to do it and guts, but that's how I got my in. I also had done an internship as a Program Manager at Microsoft my last year of UNI. As a CS student, it's not uncommon to go for PM internships, so if you're still in college/university and considering going into PM I strongly recommend you go for a PM internship -- it's highly likely it will extend into a job offer and that's probably the easiest way to get into PM this early on (: In terms of resume, I would advise you to do 2 things: * Find PMs at your company, on LinkedIn, at companies you admire... and ask to talk to them. You have an advantage as a (recent) student in that everyone will want to help you and give you advice. So reach out and ask to talk to them about their role and what it's like because you're interested in pursuing it. * Make sure that you put numbers on your resume -- by how much did you improve X, Y, Z... when you worked on it. Increased crash-free rates, what impact the features you've developed had (increase in what metric that your company is following did your contributions result into). If you're still a student, make sure you highlight your experience doing cross-functional work, leading teams, doing your own projects and especially doing any type of user research or validation for your projects. Hope that helps! Let me know if you have any further questions (:

@@adultings wow thank you, I really appreciate it! ;)

@@adultings Thanks! Can I ask do you need a CS degree to go into Product Managing?

Awesome. Glad I could help (:

Glad you liked it (:

Thanks (:

Thanks Aria (: For a product manager or product owner, there's always SOME overlap with other roles. A PM will not be an expert in any of them, but they should know just enough to get the ball rolling... happy to do a video explaining more around the differences and similarities between PM and UX if that seems of interest.

So glad to hear that!

Thank you (:

Thank you 🎉👏🏻🥳

Awesome :D!

Thanks (:

Thanks (:

Thanks. Apologies for the poor sound quality. The next ones will be better! (:

Thanks (:

That's awesome :D good luck!

You’re welcome (:

Thanks (:

Thanks (:

1 - depends on where you are in the world. I can only speak for US/UK and the opportunities are similar in terms of pay, but there are many more jobs for developers than PMs. 2 - having a mentor will always be beneficial, but it shouldn’t sway your decision because you can always find mentors in both areas. Choose the role you prefer (:

Thanks! How exciting! Good luck on your journey (:

Probably the best way would be to try it out in some way. If you’re currently working, you could ask a PM if you could shadow them or if they’d be down to mentor you. You could also try proposing some improvements/changes to what you’re working on through a PM lens, by talking to internal stakeholders, actual users, and using data to make decisions. Or you could take a look at an existing product and propose ways of improving them. That’s a question they often ask in PM interviews. I think everyone is creative ;)

I think the career path is what you want it to be. Instead of thinking of it as a “ladder” it’s better to think about it as a squiggle. Go with your gut.

Glad I could help (:

Hmm, interesting perspective. What's the difference between a software engineer vs a software developer in your opinion? I've generally seen the terms interchanged.

Thank you (: So. I use Final Cut Pro for all the video editing, and in terms of the presentation I just used Keynote and screen recorded it with QuickTime. Keynote is amazing for doing quick and dirty animations :D but it's only available on a mac.

Awh, thanks (:

Thanks!

If I can find it, I’ll post it (:

Thank you!

Hey Zach! I totally feel you... and I've felt the same. I've gone iOS Product iOS Product, so I've made the switch back and forth. Happy to say it wasn't too difficult. It does take a bit of up-front investment to de-dust your programming skills and feel fluent again (mostly because tech moves at a lightning speed and things you knew once for a fact could now be obsolete). I think the big thing here is that the point is never to learn a specific tech stack by heart, but rather learn how to learn and think like a programmer. Then you can always get back (:

To be honest, I think the best way for you is to get an engineering role and than try to transition into product horizontally within the same company (: you’ll have more street cred as a software engineer, you’ll already know the product inside and out and they won’t have to spend a lot of money on recruiting you. So, second option for sure! If possible do the transition in the same company (:

@@adultings Yeah that makes more sense to me. Also, I thought how would the other software engineers trust you if you didn't do the work yourself before. Thanks again :) your content is amazing

Hey, how are you doing? Did you get into PM role

Oh, great questions. I think education doesn't matter that much for a product manager, but for software engineers, you definitely want to have a solid foundation in computer science, basic algorithms, and basic data structures.

In terms of salary, they're pretty similar, especially in the US and UK (which is the ones I know) It probably varies more in different places, though and I would guess that the PMs earn less than the engineers, but I also have a hunch that the salaries will comes close to being the same eventually, everywhere.

@@adultings Thank you so much :)🙂 🌻

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Hey Mev! Thanks for such a long response, I can imagine it took a while to write. I can obviously only speak from my own experience. I've never been a Head of Product and probably won't be for a while, so my comparison is based solely on my own experience with product and software engineering roles. I appreciate your perspective (: In terms of "unclear success metric", I was mostly referring to you, personally. You, yourself, don't really OWN nor can move any metric on your own. So your own personal metrics are very unclear... you can achieve product success by collaborating with others and not much else, and that type of success is hard to quantify.

That's a very strong stance and you're absolutely entitled to it (:

@@adultings wondering if there's any truth to this strong stance?